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Bharateeyudu Comedian Username: Bharateeyudu Post Number: 1214 Registered: 03-2016 Posted From: 117.221.91.1 Rating: N/A |
nenu inka poorthicheyyaledu..thats only preface..wait till conclusion..it will take long time though...  | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 18583 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 24.125.46.70 Rating: |
you are wrong vunkl.. only certain points are debatable, the ones i dont like  | ||
Bharateeyudu Comedian Username: Bharateeyudu Post Number: 1213 Registered: 03-2016 Posted From: 117.221.91.1 Rating: N/A |
"History as a subject of study is more or less completely at the mercy of its sources" is the first line in History of Andhras by Durga Prasad....it suits aptly when we are tracing history of satavahanas... Even going by conservative estimates Satavahanas ruled from some where around 350 yrs...and historians got only 24 inscriptions[of that period.. most of these on western side of present day Andhrapradesh[ including T too].. which caused conflicting opinions among historians..based on their school of thoughts... Just like some debunk Aryan invasion theory and majority historians still proposes it...the same way debate about history of satavahanas will always be there till there is a conclusive evidence.. | ||
Siloan Legend Username: Siloan Post Number: 46041 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.20.41 Rating: N/A |
kaachuko | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15672 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.82.187.179 Rating: N/A |
"Andhra is both a tribal and territorial name. Andhra as apeople are mentioned as early as in 5th century BC. The Aitreya Brahmana speaks of them as exiled and degenerate sons of Vishwamitra......." Bhattiprolu inscription lo Kubrika ane king peru vundhi....Srikakulam in Krishna district was the capital of Andhras https://books.google.com/books?id=g3cEERlSo4wC&pg=PA56&lpg=P A56&dq=bhattiprolu+inscription+satavahanas&source=bl&ots=nEh hfw9HKX&sig=iIYpKF5QBB7PuDYJUc-JLx9Pq-U&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUK EwjjocH8ka_MAhUL5GMKHRuHDsAQ6AEIIzAB#v=onepage&q=bhattiprolu %20inscription%20satavahanas&f=false | ||
Siloan Legend Username: Siloan Post Number: 46039 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.20.41 Rating: N/A |
http://www.bewarsetalk.net/discus/movieanimated/blessme.gif | ||
Awara1984 Side Hero Username: Awara1984 Post Number: 5756 Registered: 12-2010 Posted From: 125.16.29.3 Rating: N/A |
padmasalis kuda vestaru | ||
Whyme Hero Username: Whyme Post Number: 17416 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 174.108.95.79 Rating: N/A |
Vysyas, viswa brahmins (goldsmiths) kooda vestharu | ||
Kadapanagfan Legend Username: Kadapanagfan Post Number: 69177 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 103.246.197.12 Rating: N/A |
maaa kadapa lo B';s yeee vestaru so B's ani nenu fix ayyyyya | ||
Raman Legend Username: Raman Post Number: 43228 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 192.251.134.5 Rating: N/A |
kshtriyas kuda estaru | ||
Kadapanagfan Legend Username: Kadapanagfan Post Number: 69175 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 103.246.197.12 Rating: N/A |
Jandhyam yesadu ga so B ney ga | ||
Bharateeyudu Comedian Username: Bharateeyudu Post Number: 1212 Registered: 03-2016 Posted From: 117.221.95.192 Rating: N/A |
K? ante...Kammas anaa...kaapus anaa..iddariki chance ledu...only after end of Kakatiyas.. vellu konchem small parts ki kings avvayaru...not major kings.. Kakatiyas vijayanagaram empire maadi ante maadi anedi only kArthika vana bhojanaalu varakee.. so dont take their arguments seriously.. thread lo arguments chadavaledu...so chuddam this picture should give some idea... http://www.socialnews.xyz/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/08/NBK_ 100_Gautamiputra_Satakarni_Movie_Announcement_Photos33.jpg | ||
Poseidon Comedian Username: Poseidon Post Number: 1302 Registered: 07-2014 Posted From: 124.123.66.72 Rating: N/A |
Bs aa nonBs aa ani anukuntaa. Aa time ki asala kamma caste undi undadhu. BCE time adhi Yaadhum oorE yaavarum kElir | ||
Kadapanagfan Legend Username: Kadapanagfan Post Number: 69174 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 103.246.196.12 Rating: N/A |
aaa mari neee version yenti B na leka K na? | ||
Bharateeyudu Comedian Username: Bharateeyudu Post Number: 1211 Registered: 03-2016 Posted From: 117.221.95.192 Rating: N/A |
thread avvala.. night IST 9 nunchi malli start avuddhi..kinda Siloan kurrodu cheppale....bharateeyudu yedi chebite adi final ani | ||
Kadapanagfan Legend Username: Kadapanagfan Post Number: 69171 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 103.246.196.12 Rating: N/A |
yee thed gamyam yendi satavahans B's aa leka K's aaaa ana? | ||
Bezbabu Junior Artist Username: Bezbabu Post Number: 174 Registered: 01-2012 Posted From: 202.56.198.70 Rating: N/A |
GUtami Putra Satakarni Balayya chesthunnadante ne oka kikku wachindi.. inka mana vadu ani thelisthe inka pedda killu. Jai Balayya Jai Satakarni Balayya Fan By Birth till Death | ||
Bharateeyudu Comedian Username: Bharateeyudu Post Number: 1206 Registered: 03-2016 Posted From: 117.221.95.192 Rating: N/A |
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Bharateeyudu Comedian Username: Bharateeyudu Post Number: 1203 Registered: 03-2016 Posted From: 117.221.95.192 Rating: N/A |
Are you talking about this book: Vijayanagara the forgotten kingdom https://archive.org/details/aforgottenempir00paesgoog | ||
Whyme Hero Username: Whyme Post Number: 17414 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 70.210.0.116 Rating: N/A |
I remember reading an English version of it in project Gutenberg I think | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15665 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.29.163.248 Rating: N/A |
Gautami(mother of gautami putra satakarni) ani chaduvukondi | ||
Ruj Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 19393 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 170.202.222.1 Rating: N/A |
btw topic ochindi kabatti aduguthuna.. krishna devarayalu ro vijayanagara empire and its details meedha oka traveller record chesina information edho book roopana undali..adhi emayina telusa?? google lo vethukutune dorakatledu..okapudu undedhi link.. | ||
Ruj Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 19392 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 170.202.222.1 Rating: N/A |
aa book nenu chadivanu rao garu..andulo naak gurthu undi satavahanas ee kadu..chala subsequent kingdoms ni kooda brahmins accountlo esthadu..perlu gurthu lev ippudu.but u can read.. | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15664 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.29.163.248 Rating: N/A |
I am not denying many believe Satavahanaa have origins in brahmin caste, many also believe they were mixed origin and for many more their roots are unknown The only basis for the brahmin caste origin belief is the âekabrahmanaâ word on the Nasik inscription with reference to Gautami sutra satakarni who is not the founder of satavahana dynasty. The founder is Simukha satakarni and the artifacts linked to him and other early Satavahana rulers were found only in Telangana region. There is no good evidence on their caste origins. Simukha could be a Buddhist/Jain/Kshatriya/Brahmin/Vysya/Sudra or anything. Just as some claim history written by foreigners is not authentic and full of malicious intrepretation. Same lens or may be a bit less powerful has to be used for the interpretation from the desi historians also because of inherent ethnic bias My position is clear, if anybody can give me reference that Gautama was a brahmin, i would agree that Satavahanas had Brahmin roots, though itâs still not good to conclude the origins of Simuka satakarni | ||
Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 52696 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 63.79.89.21 Rating: N/A |
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Siloan Legend Username: Siloan Post Number: 46024 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.20.41 Rating: N/A |
sess..u got me wrong dood...vaters ki seppa...quote ninnu chaasa .porbaatuna | ||
Whyme Hero Username: Whyme Post Number: 17412 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 171.159.64.10 Rating: N/A |
nen hater kaadu lavvar kooda kaadu vunkul.. naa vedukunte voodipademi ledu :-) | ||
Siloan Legend Username: Siloan Post Number: 46023 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.20.41 Rating: N/A |
haters prejuice mode lo sadavoddu ani vedukontunna | ||
Whyme Hero Username: Whyme Post Number: 17411 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 166.137.10.110 Rating: N/A |
http://www.katragadda.com/articles/HistoryOfTheAndhras.pdf | ||
Whyme Hero Username: Whyme Post Number: 17410 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 166.137.10.110 Rating: N/A |
Nee conference.. Naademi ledu ikkada farfarmence Mental and vjavasi disking- I reading.. | ||
Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 52695 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 63.79.89.21 Rating: N/A |
vaaarinee reference lo naa inference. manaki enduku ee disco. | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15663 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.29.163.248 Rating: N/A |
online search kottu pdf dorukutundi...katrgadda ane site lo | ||
Siloan Legend Username: Siloan Post Number: 46020 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.20.41 Rating: N/A |
neeki dorikaaka naaki fwd maadood | ||
Whyme Hero Username: Whyme Post Number: 17409 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 171.161.160.10 Rating: N/A |
vunkul ee book links emaina vunte padeyyi.. ee topic kakapoyina general history interest tho chaduvukunta | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15662 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.29.163.248 Rating: N/A |
sarigga discuss cheyyi...lekapothe YCP party bhajan chesuko.....mix chesi...anavasaramaina comments deniki....Kakateeyas meedha kadhu discussion......andhras ante andhras+kannadigas+malayalees_maharashtians kalipi antaavu....malla Satavahanas Andhras kaadhu antaavu.....anni nee arguments ee | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15661 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.29.163.248 Rating: N/A |
ll....they have it...but can't give reference aa....you can believe so
my inference is as good as your inference without reference....atleast my inference has basis in time and situation during satavahana origins | ||
Jai_ycp Side Hero Username: Jai_ycp Post Number: 3656 Registered: 04-2015 Posted From: 100.36.224.18 Rating: |
monnati daka kakteeyas kammas ani dappu kottaru even though there are ample evidence to say other. Ippudu adhi T ki vellipoyindhi ani satavahanas meedha paddara  TT VJAVasi okkapuydu reasonable vundevadu. ippudu TT la tayaru ayyadu. ayanca cheppedhemo inference pakkonallu proof ivvali anta. asala satvahanas andhras kadha anedhhaniki boledu indicators vunnayi. eeyana ekamg aandhras plus brahmins kadhu antunnadu. andhras ante ippudu vunna nadhra janamu anukuneru. I thinks this tribe is a mixture of andhra, maharastra and kannidiga people. most traditions match between these 3 people. Tamil and malayalee people are the togother. the story of YCP and TDP in 2014 (AP)- http://goo.gl/zgrYmQ http://goo.gl/gn6XL5 the story of TDP in 2014 (T) - http://goo.gl/nyu1Wu | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 18580 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 209.60.166.146 Rating: N/A |
both have it.
relevant to the context, in which the book brings up these inscriptions.
again, inference without basis other than conjecture, forget about reference. | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15660 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.29.163.248 Rating: N/A |
you were arguing "slayer of Kshatriyas" as one of the reasons for the satavahana brahmin origin
Neither Nasik or Nanaghat has it
you mean if Gautami mentions herself as Brahmin, it's not relavent when Historians have no clue about Satavahana origins? If you read my first post, i said their origins are unknown....it could be brahmin, buddhist or anything.....if Satavahanas came from Andhra tribe then there is remote possibility of Brahmin origin....The popularity and wide presence of Buddhism during the time of Satavahana origins the geographical area suggests they might have started as Buddhists and part of andhra tribe,later revived brahmanism by the time of Gautamiputra satakarni following the trend in other parts of India | ||
Ruj Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 19391 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 71.195.55.231 Rating: N/A |
kshatra gurinchi kaadu.. below is the original inscription: >>>Khatiya-dapa-mana-madanasa Saka-Yavana-Palhava-nisudanasa â Khakharatavamsa-niravasesa-karasa Satavahana-kula-yasa patithapana-karasa<<< andulo >>Khatiya-dapa-mana-mada<< means destroyer of kshatriya pride ani chadiva.. alage khakharatavamsa refers to kshatras that u r mentioning.. online too many references saying that line means that(even some ebooks when i google it)..so i was going by that when i mentioned it in my initial post in this thread..i havent checked it against any other andhra histroy book.. if u find some other meaning decoding that inscrption out it here for reference..
not necessarily..nasanam cheyali ani rule emundhi?? pushyamitra koduku (peru maricha) nasanam emi cheyaledu malli..pushyamitra okadu mathram chesadu ani chala references unnayi...and they've been hotly debated..anyways its a diff story.. .
later emi ledu..as rearly as simukha's(first satavahana king) son(peru maricha) kooda brahminical rituals follow ayyadu..simukha vishayam okadilo kontha controversy undi..tanu jainism accept chesadu ani kondharu..kaadu ani kondahru ala.. anyways all we have is limited information..daani meedha entha sepu disco chestham.....y dont u provide some good references which prove buddhist lineage...i know buddhism was predominant then considering mauryans and esp ashoka who propagated it fully..but when it comes to 'lineage' its a diff story.. so any inscriptions where satavahanas claiming they r buddhist lineage and so and so tribe/vamsam??..just curious..want to know if there is alternate theory out-there with good references..would be a good read.. | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 18579 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 209.60.166.146 Rating: N/A |
this is not relevant at all. Ksathrapas is not a mis-representation or another representation of kshatriyas or for that matter, does not mean anythign related to beinga brahmin or not. what about nanaghat inscriptions.. im sure you must have come across about it in History of Andhras.
not mentioning does not mean, it does not exist. it just means that its not relevant. by the way - why do you think he is not a brahmin? | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15659 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.29.163.248 Rating: N/A |
There is not one authentic reference for that.....history of Andhras lo kooda ledhu....just konni sites lo ala rasesukunnaru | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15658 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.29.163.248 Rating: N/A |
ninnu nenu emi pattokoledhu vunkl vadileyataniki....neelu ivvali anipisthe ivvu reference......I have read history of andhras by durgaprasad word to word from first page to last page....also used that book for my article on Telangana issue....Nowhere i found that Gautami was a brahmin and Gautami satakarni as annihilator kshatriyas....This is what it says...Kshatras in Kshatriyas chesi padesaaru This supposition may be strengthened on other grounds as well. is described in the Nasik inscription as the annihilator of the line of Kshaharatas.These Kshaharatas were the Kshatrapas of Saurashtra and Malwa. 28 HISTORY OF THE ANDHRAS In the opinion of V.S. Bakhle, the Kshaharatas were Pahlavas, and the Kardamakas were Sakas. The rulers of Kshaharata and Kardamaka families assumed the official titles as Kshatrapas and Mahakshatrapas respectively. Both these rulers were perhaps feudatories of the Saka-Pahlava power of Mathura, to which that great king Rajula belonged. Rajula passed away in 17 A.D. (f we presume Nahapana to be a Kshatraoa of Rajula, he must have become independent after his death and started his rule in his own right as an independent king in Saurashtra. His rule must come to an end by 63 A.D. (17 A.D. + 46 = 63 A.D.). That was the year also in which Gautamiputra Satakarni ascended the throne at Dhanakataka, according to the chronological scheme that we have adopted. | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 18578 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 209.60.166.146 Rating: N/A |
vunkl, nannu oggeyi... detail vadhu antavu, reference immantavu.... references evadiki gurthu untayi without digging... chass... ok, History of ANdhras ani oka book untadhi... it is a pretty good book that gives references to both literary and archeological evidences. there puranas matsya and vayu puranas are primary sources of the names of andhra kings. altough these too puranas are not consistent in terms of number of years rule and by individual rule.. they are consistent about satakarni, ruling 56 years. there are two inscriptions other than nasik prasasthi.. names might not be accurate nanaghat and hasthiguha(exact name kaadhi)... these inscriptions i believe say that he was a staunch follower of brahmanism. there are refernces like that make people deduct that hey were brahmins. follower of brahmanism is not brahmin... and yes Nasik Prasasthi also mentions that Gautami is a brahmana women. and i dont have refernence for it as well.. even if the book you have mentioned earlier does not mention it. | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15657 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.29.163.248 Rating: N/A |
There is a solution in the part -2 of article.....I have proposed alternative banking that would create zero debt in the economy as a whole | ||
Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 7771 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 136.2.1.104 Rating: N/A |
I will leave it to the DBers.......edupuki meaning definition and perfect summary in the DB evaro, let them decide.....
adenti.....many times u said to many here......the deep underlying stuff ppl dont understand ani......you said the same to me, last time u had these great revelations about rss....and their anti-national snaky plans and how horrible they are........when I asked u for proof about ur statements.....
anavasarm enti?....discussion lo avi avasaramey....I don't hide behind...."don't comment me personally, you idiot and fool and stupid" illogical rhetoric.....that some here resort to.....
you have the right to opine and say so....whether it is right or not is altogether a different issue........who knows..... | ||
Samarsimha Side Hero Username: Samarsimha Post Number: 2529 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 159.220.233.3 Rating: N/A |
you are trying to summarize the current transition but neither proposed a solution nor criticized directly on current base elements of thought process to find better one . My take on this write up is trying to address wide focus to comprehend . If human thought process is corrected the rest will be moved in right direction. We are very good at information manipulation and with more cunningness trying to sell more baseless based on mere creed,caste,region , media recognition/popularity and religion . What is the solution for this in your view Rajasa yodha Rajasekhara Johar Johar "avineeti, band_,kula pichhi unna party telugu desam party... avuna? kaada?" | ||
Siloan Legend Username: Siloan Post Number: 46004 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.20.41 Rating: N/A |
mental kurrod seppadu kada...nee arguments lo weekness vundi ani...adhi cheppa sodara....u proceed...gulanandam lo sooksham neeku bodapadled...ROM lo vunna kamlesh pasigatte vuntaad | ||
Tugoboy Side Hero Username: Tugoboy Post Number: 3384 Registered: 03-2014 Posted From: 103.206.114.68 Rating: N/A |
maa vij kurrod yeedano kalathaandi....satavahanas Bs ante!!chuss!! etta prove cheyyalaaa...Bs kaadu ani...tega googling...  | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15656 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.29.163.248 Rating: N/A |
oh idhaa nee edupuki karanam....i never claimed any deep insights...ready to accept anything with reasonable proof
anavasaram ga avathala valla meedha comments chesi gulanandam posts ese neekante mean, silly evadu vuntaadu.....you always start with crap | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15655 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.29.163.248 Rating: |
Dood, It's you who responded to my posts not me.....If you say so much research has been done then there should be atleast few talking points ....I have referred few books on Andhra history and nowhere Gautami was refereed as a brahmin lady...If you claim your argument is based on extensive reserach you should have atleast few references....i am not saying you have to explain in detail....give references and i will find out....oh, whatever you know if from extensive research and others get it from google search.... | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15654 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.29.163.248 Rating: N/A |
emayya Siloan madhyalo Gulanadam nee talam enti.....M_S kurrodu proof ichaada Satavahanas Brahmin origin ani?........nuvvu nammithe migatha arguments anni biased....nenu Satvahanulu Buddhist origin ani nammutha...later they moved to brahminical rituals following trend across India at that time....Satavahna origin time ki ante at the end of Mauryan empire Buddhism was most popular in AP.....the reason why both Buddhism and Brahminism co-existed under Satavahana.....Satavahanas Brahmin origin aithe Pushyamitrudi laaga Baudhani nasanam chesi vundevaaru emo ee gulanandam kadupu mantaki talam bagane vestunnavu | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 18577 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 209.60.166.146 Rating: |
dude, i dont have to respond to your whims. I ahve already started i neither have the inclination or time to talk about this, and that was my first response. there is lot of reasearch done out there, which you may have not found in your few google searches. first you mentioned no details needed, and then when i did give such a reference (which you did find yourself and were possibly hiding in the hopes that no one would brng it up), you said "gaali chepthe ela". in either case, whether you believe it or not, i believe it or not, who cares? the research is being done, if you have patience wait or if you are here to prove that someone here in the db is wrong - dont use my name. and i have asked only one question to you - what did Satakarni do to gain the title "protector of brahmins" if that is what it meant? and even satakarni existed ? a bunch of coins and cave painting and inscriptiopns mean nothing? it is not concrete proof that he existed or even andhra's existed during that time. | ||
Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 7770 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 136.2.1.104 Rating: N/A |
antheygaa mari...except you, nobody else has any facts........just gaali maatala batch andaroo.........only intelligent with deepest possible insights and highest possible knowledge and wisdom in anything antey......one and only you can do that....... ok bye....i can't deal with such really mean and bad temper....no time for crap........enjoy...... | ||
Rajusk Legend Username: Rajusk Post Number: 46478 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 170.74.231.8 Rating: N/A |
ee madhya nadusthunna latest jugalbandhi baagundi OT-Mav days are over | ||
Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 7769 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 136.2.1.104 Rating: N/A |
totally agree....there will always be bad apples in any org.....may be he had some bad experiences........I doubt anybody argues against that..... but looking at the ground facts, it is hard to say......that rss is ISIS...rss is taliban..rss is saffron terror......rss is in bed with congi......those statements sound a little distant from facts....... most of his facts, he doesnt provide any proof.......for most of his conclusions, he says why that is not a possibility.......confirmation bias is what it seems like........than being objective....... | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15653 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.29.163.248 Rating: N/A |
Mala digada ee gulanandama....M_S ni proofs adiga Satavahanas Brahmin origin gurinchi....okkati pettala....ippudu ee edupu Gulanandam digipoyadu....inka Prapancham motham Brahmanothamudi nunde vachindi ani chepithe tappa inka andharu biased ee.....poni Gautami Brahmin ani ekkada vundho chebithe i personally would accept though it's not still conclusive enough....history books lo lenivi accept cheyyakaothe ee gulanandam agenda veru...malla gulanadaniki logic gurinchi discussion avasarama | ||
Siloan Legend Username: Siloan Post Number: 45995 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.20.41 Rating: N/A |
only indulo sumii ... but RSS mafia ni daggaraga choochina VJVASI cheppe other facts ni bling ga hatred quota loki toyoddu ani vedukontunna | ||
Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 7767 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 136.2.1.104 Rating: N/A |
ouch...even TTs think he is biased antey too much.......better hide before he is back....... okapudu konchem logical anipinchevaadu....too many contradictions and much bias these days..........these days he sounds like he is possessed...... may be he is right.....who knows..... | ||
Siloan Legend Username: Siloan Post Number: 45992 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.20.41 Rating: N/A |
me 2 pplsha | ||
Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 7766 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 136.2.1.104 Rating: N/A |
Et tu Brutus?.......chivariki nuvvu koodaa naa?.........when i mentioned something similar, he ferociously denied anything of that sort... | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15652 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.82.187.179 Rating: |
Agree, seeing glory in past is useless and sometimes even harmful, myself said it multiple times....I have written few articles on malaise in modern economy and alternative solutions...until we get basics correct hard to improve the situation if interested start with this http://www.vijayvaani.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?aid=3807 http://www.vijayvaani.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?aid=3808 my other articles http://www.vijayvaani.com/AuthorProfile.aspx?pid=610 | ||
Ruj Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 19390 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 71.195.55.231 Rating: N/A |
hyderabad outskirtslo recent ga dorkindhi.. http://www.deccanchronicle.com/150913/nation-current-affairs /article/fresh-excavation-chennai-asi-official-punctures-70- year-claim >>>>>early 70 years after G. Yazdani of the archaeology department (Hyderabad), claimed to have stumbled upon a Buddhist site in Kondapur, south west of Hyderabad, in Medak district, a superintending archaeologist from Chennai who took up fresh excavation, has found that the 2nd century BC site is a Brahminical cult site and not a Buddhist site as believed earlier. Numerous coins including rare black coloured and whitish lead coins pertaining to Gautamiputra Satakarani and Tiberius era, three fire altars, an Apsidal temple site and four plaques of Lajja Gowri used in fertility worship and other material evidences prove that Kondapur is a Hindu cult site and not a Buddhist site as claimed by Yazdani, says Ms G. Maheshwari, superintending archaeologist, ASI here, who had concluded extensive excavation at Kondapur. The excavation carried out at the 81-acre ASI protected Kondapur site from 2009-2011 by the Excavation Branch- IV under G. Maheshwari, superintending Archaeologist of the ASI yielded crucial and monumental evidences on the culture of the early Satavahana period. The excavation revealed that it was a thriving metropolis of the Satavahanas and also proved to be an important kshetra of the Brahminical faith, particularly Sakthi worship. This was clearly evident through the exposed structures and other associated findings of Lajja gowri plaques behind the temple wall, iron objects of ritualistic purpose, stamped and incised full pots having symbols of trident (Trisul) found in the fire altars, animal bone pieces in large quantity with cut marks, among the other things.<<<<< bhavisyathlo inka chala vishayal bayata paduthayi anukuntuna.. | ||
Samarsimha Side Hero Username: Samarsimha Post Number: 2527 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 159.220.233.3 Rating: N/A |
I want to ask question to you . Why to dig glory in past which is not even got proper record to verify ? Why not march towards glory now . We face plenty of poverty drought . agriculturist hang themselves few lakhs where Malya type loot 1000s cror in a country we cry women safety and produce rape capitals and endosre in jolt Ravela kishore innocent ... your opinion please on where to start Rajasa yodha Rajasekhara Johar Johar "avineeti, band_,kula pichhi unna party telugu desam party... avuna? kaada?" | ||
Ruj Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 19389 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 71.195.55.231 Rating: N/A |
s..ekkado burralo padindhi...adhi link kalipa..got confused..nothing more or les | ||
Siloan Legend Username: Siloan Post Number: 45979 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.20.41 Rating: N/A |
i agree neeku sharitra lo pattundi ...but telinga ane word mahabharatham lo irikinchaaru anedi ...suspasttam....nuvvu daaniki padipoyaav ...not deliberately propagating mukkode agenda | ||
Ruj Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 19388 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 71.195.55.231 Rating: N/A |
then probably i got confused between talvanas and telingas..its been long time(1oyrs ago) since i read it...
yovv..ee mukkodi bhavajalam endi madyala..i was going by what i read and remember..and that reference was made just to show an example of how diff races evolve ani..anthaka minchi akkada discussion pointlo daniki validity kooda em ledu.... | ||
Siloan Legend Username: Siloan Post Number: 45976 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.20.41 Rating: N/A |
rujju kurrod laantode....propagating mukkode baavazaalam.....sad state of affairs } | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15651 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.82.187.179 Rating: N/A |
Not just Kotilingala 3-4 places lo dorikaayi in Telangana | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15650 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.82.187.179 Rating: N/A |
Mahabharat lo maps ekkada vunnayi?......Talavanas ni Telinga chesesaru....same site There is only one speculative refernece to Telingas in the epic Mahabharata. During the southern millitary campaign of the Pandava general Sahadeva he is mentioned as defeating a tribe called Talavanas, between Andhras and Kalingas. This reference is belived to be of the Telingas. http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/telinga | ||
Ruj Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 19387 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 71.195.55.231 Rating: N/A |
idhi kotilingala karimnagarlo dorikindhi..anduke kindha post kooda vesa..
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Ruj Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 19384 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 71.195.55.231 Rating: N/A |
ledu..telinga was there in mahabharat map...references kooda unnayi..i read it long back when i was in engineering..2004-05 time mata.. http://ancientvoice.wdfiles.com/local--files/images/EpicIndi a.jpg kaani post mahabharata eppudu ekkada references lev..anduke not much information.. but muslims deccanlo settle ayyaka 15 century timelo telingana ani ettar peru motham valu occupy chesina telugu regionki... | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15648 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.82.187.179 Rating: N/A |
Kindha antha pedda post vesi Satavahanas Andhras ni malla Maharashtra antunnavu......Simukudu nundi first mugguru kings coins Andhra lo dorikinappudu Maharashtra nucleus ela avutundhi.....gautami satakarni time ki Maharastra vaipuki expand ayyindi
idhi Telangana movement create chesina propaganda...there is no separate Telinga in Mahabharatha.....Mahabharat yuddham lo palgondhi only andhras | ||
Whyme Hero Username: Whyme Post Number: 17387 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 171.161.160.10 Rating: N/A |
with gurram or without gurram ani sesani asked maa gurram maaggavale ane slogan printing ki waiting | ||
Siloan Legend Username: Siloan Post Number: 45971 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 71.79.227.66 Rating: N/A |
maa shaatavahanams maaggaavale | ||
Ruj Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 19383 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 170.202.222.1 Rating: N/A |
kotilingala karimnagar being the first capital anedhi inkoka theory.. | ||
Ruj Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 19382 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 170.202.222.1 Rating: N/A |
initial nucleas was in maharastra..not krishna godavari..anduke maha galu claim chestharu for which i already posted in 19377 y their claim might not be valid inspite of origins being there..and then eventually it moved to amravathi.. hopefully in future we get more proofs/inscriptions which give more information.. btw can u also provide references or explanation for ur claim?? | ||
Jaiandhra Comedian Username: Jaiandhra Post Number: 1251 Registered: 08-2015 Posted From: 192.158.48.90 Rating: N/A |
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/in-other-news/260416/m ajor-buddhist-relics-excavated-in-east-godavari.html | ||
Ruj Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 19380 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 170.202.222.1 Rating: N/A |
definitely...anduke somekind of mix kooda possible annadhi..alage existing predominant religion was buddhisim , that continued..but brahminism was revived by initial satavahana kings.. and later on hinduism was also revived.... | ||
Ruj Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 19379 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 170.202.222.1 Rating: N/A |
there is no contradiction..andhras like any other race/tribe would have evolved into diff sects as time progressed and diff set of migrations(inward/outward) happened and more people settling down and associating themselves to the region and local culture..i dont believe Andhra were a single set/tribe by post mauryan times.. and in fact mahabharata timeki andhra telinga rendu undevi..mauryan timeski telinga egiripoyi only andhra migilindhi based on whatever references we have so far(reality only god knows).. so basically pt being the evolution.. and ref reg Kshatriya slayer etc its a part of series of circumstantial evidences i provided..not that, statement by itself would prove anything... | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15646 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.82.187.179 Rating: |
Nuvvu entha ginjukunna Kammas ki Satvahanas ki links lekunda vundatam impossible.....The word "kamma" itself is from Buddhism......Satavahana kingdom ki nucleus krishna-godavari delta.... for some time it was referred as Kammarashtra | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15644 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.82.187.179 Rating: N/A |
There is a contradiction in your conclusion......If Satvahanas were Andhras then they were more likely not from a Brahmin lineage.....Andhras were very ancient tribe referred to in Mahabharata also.....Satvahanas certainly patronized Brahminism like many other kings but it doesn't mean their roots are Brahminical, they also equally promoted Buddhism...infact Satavahana queens followed Buddhism.....slayer of kshatriyas praise automatically can't be intrepreted as brahmin roots....If they are Andhras their origins likely tribal and mixed | ||
Ruj Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 19378 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 71.195.55.231 Rating: N/A |
or third possiblity quoting from wiki... Satavahana kingdom was founded in western Deccan, but suggests that the kings were called "Andhra", because their ancestors were Mauryan subordinates who belonged to the Andhra tribe | ||
Jaijagananna Comedian Username: Jaijagananna Post Number: 1423 Registered: 09-2013 Posted From: 76.22.63.253 Rating: |
Melliga satavahanas were Kammas ani antaru...So Andhrula atma gouravam repa repalu adinchina Gautami Putra Satakarni....Alagey malli NTR ga puttadu ani oka story allutaaru...Inko 200 years Tts andaru ala oogipotaru...Appudu Devansh Manumadu Satkarni putti kula gauravam nilabedatadu Nee Saahasam Oka Udaharana...Nee Jeevithamey Oka Oravadi...Nee Gamanam Oka adarsham...Nee Hrudayam aathmeeya kalasham... RAJASHEKARAAA...Charitra maruvadu nee charitha...Jaathi maruvadhu nee gaadha...Nee Mahabishkramanam...Telugu jathiki mahaa vishadam... Neevu ika levani telisi...Telugu Nela palavaristondi...Gunde pagili rodistundi Puttedu dukhanni digamingukoni...Janakoti Arpistondi...Aaathmeeya Pushpanjali... | ||
Ruj Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 19377 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 71.195.55.231 Rating: |
i perfectly believe satavahanas and andhras are the same.. maharastians claim is based only on 2 things..early inscprtions found in around nashik etc..and satavahanas claiming andhras ani oka inscrption kooda dorakapotam.. but there is too much of literary evidence(multiple sources) that points to satavahanas are none other than andhras..in fact they r referred to as directly andhras.. alage megasthenes refering to andhra kingdom predates satavahana time..so andhras ee satavhanas laga evolve ayyundachu over a period of time.. alage recently few decades back kotilingala karimnagarlo excavated treasure which predates maharastrian proofs.. also satavahana time literature like gatasapthapadhi(if im spelling it right) and others had telugu words in prakrit.. all this proves either satavahanas was started by outsiders as a small kingdom but overtook by andhras and continued as their own..or satavahanas were none other than andhras..deni gurinchi nenu spigot tons of references tho oka 2 weeks back disco chesam.. also reg satavahanas being brahmins or not...i believe they r either brahmins or some mix of local baapan+other tribes..mauryan kingdom padipogane appati popular buddhism ni continue chesthu brahminism revive cheyatam.. varna system enforce cheyatam..chuttu unna non brahminical tribal kingdoms ni demolish cheyatam... inscriptions like eka brahmana meaning peerless brahmin or unequivocal brahmin or protector of brahmins..literature pointing to the religion of court being brahminism and brahminic rituals etc..slayer of kshatriyas ani inscrptions..so some kind of brahminical roots is my guess.. alage matrilineal system meedha, satavahanas lone 3-4kings tappa vere evaru adhi follow avvaledu..it was just a temporary thing followed due to some strong reason/incident that happened at that time ani naa idhi..but it feels so good, aa timelo women ki aa level icharu ante..before after malli aa chayalu levu in any tribe.. my renu paisal.. | ||
Whyme Hero Username: Whyme Post Number: 17380 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 174.108.95.79 Rating: N/A |
Actually I take it back - Marathas seem to be a warrior clan | ||
Whyme Hero Username: Whyme Post Number: 17379 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 174.108.95.79 Rating: N/A |
Peshwa was a title - for kind of prime minister or chancellor Peshawas were Brahmins Peshwas were marathas - there is no caste called marathas | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15642 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.29.163.248 Rating: N/A |
kochem cheppamante maree gali lo cheppinatu chebite etla.......edoka source vundali ga......naaky history books lo aithe kanapadala....Gautami brahmin and Nasik sasanam lo vunte conclusive ga declare chese vallu Satvahanas Brahmins ani ....Just aa inscription lo Gautami putra satakarni meedha "ekabrahmana" word ni ni base chesukoni Satavahanas clan Brahmin lineage ani decalre cheyyatam silly....my argument is not weak.......If Simuka was declared brahmin then there is case.....multiple sources claim different stories about their origin...It's still unknown
Haven't seen a Nair, Maratha, Reddy who is also a brahmin.....There are Peshwas but they are different from Marathas | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 18575 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 209.60.166.146 Rating: N/A |
Nairs are not a single caste, although they are categorized as shudras, they were from all castes, including Namboodri brahmins. their origin is still debated, and many believe that Nairs were oiriginally from memmbers of families who sent their kids to school in warfare only to return ocassionally only for sexual purposes to village and stay with a women for a while. the women folk took care of any kids that were begotten. Male kids were sent to learn warefare. no matter which caste they hailed from,they eventually are sudras, for the type of life they were leading. polygamy, hypergamy was common practice. that is the reason for matrilineal structure in this region. like i said its a big reasearch topic on its own. Similar to Marathas - who are from all castes and formed a warrior clan - but still are known as Shudras and not kshatriya. Reddy kings is another example.
mari adhe... konchem cheppu ante cheppaan.. there is alot of detail around this, and thats what i meant about looking into archives. anyway - its a matter of debate. now it cant be the truth nenu argue seyyanu... to your own. your argument is weaker than the ones who say they are brahmins.
this is just a counter of argument and you are being biased by taking only the meaning proposed by a few. Ekabrahmana in most cases means peerless brahmin or unrivalled brahmin. thats the most straightforward meaning. Now tell me how did he protect brahmins, to get the title? | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15641 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.29.163.248 Rating: N/A |
Nairs caste kaadha, mari emiti?......Nairs ante sudra caste ee kadha........valla caste enti mari....Hindus lo kooda caste lekunda vunna vallu vunnara? | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15640 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.29.163.248 Rating: N/A |
Do you have any link for this?...couldn't find anything that says gautami was a brahmin lady
"ekabrahmana" ani vundanta which some have interpreted as "protector of brahmins", not the same as being a brahmin. Even Gautami was a Brahmin it doesn't prove the brahminical lineage of entire satavahanas. As i posted before aitereya Brahmana says they were degenrate sons of Viswamitra The evidences from Maharashtra are not conclusive according to the book below, the author says "Two inscriptions and a few coins of doubtful authenticity were found in Maharashtra" "But recent excavations in the telangana districts of AP resulted in the discovery of large number of satavahana coins and seals. At kotilingala several coins of Simuka, the founder of satavahana dynasty and those of the early rulers like Kanha and Satakarni I were founds. Similarly at Kondapur, Peddabunkur and Dhulikatta several seals, coins and terracota objects were discovered" https://books.google.com/books?id=CeEmpfmbxKEC&pg=SL1-PA251& lpg=SL1-PA251&dq=gautami+balasri+brahmin&source=bl&ots=fxHBu EJXBC&sig=fAm_MyWtSabC5BFNbEaMYIvOThA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEw ipl86G46rMAhUBymMKHf7VDoYQ6AEIMTAD#v=onepage&q=gautami%20bal asri%20brahmin&f=false look at Satavahana origins in this book. In Maharashtra only defw | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 18573 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 209.60.166.146 Rating: N/A |
Nairs is not a caste, as you may already know, and where did these Naris come from? anyway that would be whole another subject for discussion. Matrilineal traditions have changed over time, and there are still some in place in our south india like all the rituals that require "mena mama" as a a part of the tradition. Like have mentioned many of these traditions are loicalized, and would not have a wide presence.
mamuluga detailed ga cheppatam kaadhi vunkl.. if you mean why many believe that they were brahmins, one of the most quoted evidences are the Nasik Prasasti, that was created during Satakarni's time details Gautami as brahmana and Satakarni as a protector of brahmanas, and one who has destroyed the pride of kshatriya's. detailed ga ayithe inka chala details, however, this is history and is learnt based on evidence and could change based on new findings. | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15639 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.29.163.248 Rating: N/A |
Kerala lo Nairs matrilineal traditions follow ayedhi Brahmins kaadhu....Thai, Combodia brahmins sangathi taravatha, oka vela vunte.....India lo ee states lo Brahmins matrilineal traditions follow avuthaaru?
maree detailed ga akkarla....mamoolu ga chebithe chalu...Satavahanas patronized both Brahminism or varna system and Buddhism but there is no evidence that they were Brahmins | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 18572 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 209.60.166.146 Rating: |
Matrilineal traditions are not new to Brahmins, not just in india, cambodia, thai histories also reveal this.. infact many budhist traditions are matrilineal in nature, and mainly because of existing matrilineal traditions in Brahmins. Even today, Kerala brahmins follow matrilineal traditions. To think that only certain groups have matrilineal traditions is a fallacy. Even Kshatriya's followed these traditions on and off, apart from many tribal groups. perhaps the nature of societies are local in nature... the traditions with in the same caste, region and even across castes are and coud be different based on time and place. "Ma Vaipu ila chestharu", "Hamare biradari mei aise karthe hai" are distinctly noted even today. There is always a factor of context of time and place in relevance when it comes to history.
as you can see, aryan, non-aryan is a half baked and immature attempt at understanding the civilizations in Asia. Satavahana's gurinchi idhe db lo inka chala detailed discussions jarigaayi.. not sure how we can get to archives. ippudu antha vopika ledhu rao garu. | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15638 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.29.163.248 Rating: N/A |
prrof vunte cheppu....ee kaburlu anni deniki....vallu memu palana choti nundi vachaamu ani cheppala.....Their founder ruled Andhra.....vere chotki pothe memu palana chotu nundi vachaamu ani chebutaaru......valla origins Andhra kabatte pratyekam ga Andhra nundi ani cheppukoledhu emo....The satavahana kingdom originated in Andhra and grew as an empire from Andhra...that means the origin of Satavahanas is Andhra | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15636 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.29.163.248 Rating: N/A |
Like?....They are considered as non-Aryans by Aryan theory believers....In Aitereya Brahmana they were described as degenerate sons of vishwamitra....Their matrilineal tradition suggests they are more linked to tribal groups in south | ||
Whyme Hero Username: Whyme Post Number: 17370 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 171.159.64.10 Rating: N/A |
I am not saying their historis were biased.. the chronology of events are always more accurate.. ikkada mana vallu Chandragupta ante aidu linklu pedatharu chanakya ante nijama mythical figure emo antaru.. a good bit indian history during ancient is also based on Chinese and European travelers and their interpretation.. you can tell just by that.. sathavahanulu vunnara ante vunnaru antam.. vaadid ye caste anedi ela prove chestham other than making vintelligent guesses | ||
Whyme Hero Username: Whyme Post Number: 17369 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 171.159.64.10 Rating: N/A |
evadikaadu ishtam vachinattu raaseskuntunnaru.. entha nijam antaru.. problem with indian history is a lot of it has been written - rewritten (hindus, Buddhists, jains, muslims, british) - as they came into power.. history was not recorded well too.. look at Chinese, Japanese histories - they recorded a lot better | ||
Siloan Legend Username: Siloan Post Number: 45931 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.20.41 Rating: N/A |
dood, demi ba..2009 elechhans db lingo . m pans ni rakkadaaniki vaadabaddadi | ||
Shikari Hero Username: Shikari Post Number: 18505 Registered: 03-2010 Posted From: 124.123.201.108 Rating: N/A |
bapanese anta mesharu http://palakodetyfoundation.com/brahmins.php http://i.imgur.com/eUYcc.gif | ||
Whyme Hero Username: Whyme Post Number: 17368 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 107.77.104.33 Rating: N/A |
Satavahanas are Brahmanas ante prbly they are followers of brahminic tradition (akin to Buddhism, Jainism etc) emo ani naa idi.. | ||
Siloan Legend Username: Siloan Post Number: 45929 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.20.41 Rating: N/A |
ingaa paaaar ..... aithe 1st rulers lekunte servants  http://www.preservearticles.com/2011092013671/brief-notes-on -the-origin-and-nativity-of-satavahanas.html Nativity Satavahanas are known to us through (1) the Puranas, and (2) the coins. The Matsya and the Vayu are the two Puranas which mention them in long lists and provide some periods of rule. There is a controversy regarding the place of their origin, some holding that they originally belonged to coastal Andhra, i.e., on the banks of the Godavari or the Krishna near the mouths of those rivers; and another view that they were natives of the Western Ghats and hailed from the neighbourhood of Pratishthana (modern Paithan). There is no evidence to categorically prove an eastern homeland for them. They are known in the Puranas by two names: (1) The Andhras, and (2) the Andhrabhrityas. The mention of the Satavahanas as Andhras naturally inclines one to suppose that they were not Maharashtra but only Telugu; the word Andhrabhritya on the other hand literally means 'the servants of the Andhras' or 'the Andhras who were servants'. If the latter were the meaning the Satavahanas could be taken to be Andhra feudatories of the Mauryan emperors originally residing in the East and having migrated to the West by the time they became independent. If Andhrabhritya meant 'servants of the Andhras' it would mean that they were natives of western Deccan long ago somehow subservient to the Andhras and that they later shifted their allegiance to the Mauryas. Whatever it is, it is clear that the Satavahanas were a Kula, i.e., a family or a dynasty and that when history knew them definitely they had settled around Paithan. There is the possibility that the Satavahanas moved from the east to the west when the Mauryan Empire declined and offered their Deccanese feudatories a chance to become independent. The Andhras were known to the Roman historian Pliny who speaks of their many walled towns, numerous villages and large armies consisting of foot soldiers, cavalry and elephants. Thus it will be evident that the Andhra Satavahanas were an ancient people ruling in the Deccan as Free states whenever possible and subject to external imperial authority whenever necessary | ||
Siloan Legend Username: Siloan Post Number: 45928 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.20.41 Rating: N/A |
culture ekkada maharastra ani vundi? their naming ..telgu ishtyle | ||
Jai_ycp Side Hero Username: Jai_ycp Post Number: 3655 Registered: 04-2015 Posted From: 100.36.224.18 Rating: N/A |
 They ruled current andhra area anedhi andaru oppukunadhe kadha. ikkada discussion only are they from andhra origin or not anedhi? babar coins india lo dorikayi ani baabr india vadu analemu kadha. as of now ekkada vallu cheppukoledhu plus thier descedants, language and culture were all related to maharastra than andhra so benefit of doubt vallake ivvali. as i said, tommorrow if we find something new evidence, we can change. as of now, Andhra Ikshvaku are the first known andhra kings the story of YCP and TDP in 2014 (AP)- http://goo.gl/zgrYmQ http://goo.gl/gn6XL5 the story of TDP in 2014 (T) - http://goo.gl/nyu1Wu | ||
Siloan Legend Username: Siloan Post Number: 45924 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.20.41 Rating: N/A |
Social Condition: The Satavahanas were Brahmanas. Therefore, Brahmansnism made rapid strides under their rule. The Brahmanas were accorded the highest place. Effort was also made to revice the Varna system. In their bid to exalt Brahmanism the Smritis declared that a ten years old Brahman would be more revered than a 100 years old Kshatriya. Satavahanas were first rulers to make land grant to Brahmanas. The orthodox brahamanas of the north looked upon Andhras as a mixed caste. This shows that Andhras might be earlier tribal people who were brought within the fold of brahmanical society. The Satavahana society was divided into four classes. This division was based on economic activity and status. The first class consisted of high officials and feudatory chief who ruled over provinces and districts. The second class included petty officers like Amatyas Mahamatras and wealthy traders. In the third class were the middle class peoples such as Vaidyas or physicians, writers, peasants, goldsmiths, perfumers etc. The fourth class were constituted of the lowest vocations such as carpenters, blacksmiths, fishermen and gardeners. Increasing craft and commerce n this period brought many merchants and artisans to the forefront.Merchants took pride in naming themselves after the towns they belonged. Artisans and merchants made generous donation to Buddhist cause. Among artisans, gandhikas or perfumers are mentioned as donors in small memorial tablet set up by them. At later stage, the term gandhika became so general a to connote all kinds of shopkeepers. (Modern title Gandhi is derived from it). | ||
Siloan Legend Username: Siloan Post Number: 45923 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.20.41 Rating: N/A |
https://selfstudyhistory.com/2015/03/07/the-satavahanas/ | ||
Siloan Legend Username: Siloan Post Number: 45922 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.20.41 Rating: N/A |
http://controversialhistory.blogspot.com/2007/06/origin-of-s atavahana-andhra-myth.html kudirinappudu separate thed vesi...explain seii...neeku anipinche credible info | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 18571 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 209.60.166.146 Rating: N/A |
vunkl.. swaryy i did not mean it that way.. i am all about curioisty.. adhi leka pothe life washte ... but trying to put a claim on history ... this is where i have an issue. apart from genetic material we share nothing.. and at genetic level, the difference less than negligible | ||
Siloan Legend Username: Siloan Post Number: 45921 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.20.41 Rating: N/A |
first andhra kingdom ane sariki ...kuthoohalam.... veellu kaakapothe ..inkokallu....teluskundaamani | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 18569 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 209.60.166.146 Rating: N/A |
not sure why this obsession about our ancestors being great, if anything it should make us feel more ashamed. Our ancestors were great, so what, i am of negligible use to this world. the second thing should worry me more, if at all i need to worry about something anyway, to me, i am negligible is a very happy state. only if i could be invisible too . unlimited comedy in this world. | ||
Siloan Legend Username: Siloan Post Number: 45918 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.20.41 Rating: N/A |
border line | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 18568 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 209.60.166.146 Rating: N/A |
Is Krish a good director.. Open heart with Rk choosthe.. saana naive or illogical extrapolations kanpaddaayi... i direct jingles in mumbai i know how to make cost-effective movies antaad... anyway good look to him.. its interesting. Watched his Krishnam Vande Jagadgurum.... it is decent but poorly edited movie. | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 18567 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 209.60.166.146 Rating: |
Prakrit ki sasnkrith different eti ledhu... okati db whatsapp language ayithe ingoti news article language. if anything it is equally distant from Dravidian languages.. false ga claim seyalsina pani ledhi....there is ample evidence to postulate they may be brahmins, and there is a reason for claim by maharashtrians that Sathavahana's are from their region.. the maharashtrian prakrith is descendant of the lanugae inscriptions used by satavahanas, although their naming of kings and other significant places fell majorly under telugu nomenclature. anyway why bother- they are gone and dusted. its history our knowledge changes as we know more. | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15634 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.82.187.179 Rating: N/A |
oh brahmanotaamule vere valla gurinchi positive ga chebutara...migatha vallu andharu negative communsitasurulu ee antaavu......chala madanpadutunnavu Krish gurinchi....ee thread atani meedha kaadhu | ||
Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 52666 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 70.178.127.37 Rating: N/A |
between. you can relax Krish Jagarlamudi is a karudu kattina communist. he has never and will never say anything positive abt brahmins. He will satisfy your ego. dont worry | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15632 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.82.187.179 Rating: N/A |
edisindi chalu kadukko....gukka tippakunda edustunnavu....endi subbu swamy ni president cheyyala....president enduku PM cheyyataniki swketch estunnar le....nuvvu edavaku | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15631 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.82.187.179 Rating: N/A |
mundhu evadu personal ga target chesado choosi appudu neethulu cheppu sipoyi | ||
Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 52655 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 70.178.127.37 Rating: N/A |
truTi lo tappina pramaadam Vjavasi saved the day. Lekapothe e jarigipoyedo...talchukunte ne bhayam gaa undi.  | ||
Sipayi Moderator Username: Sipayi Post Number: 450 Registered: 10-2012 Rating: N/A |
posh ga kottukondi ayya babulu. borderline batting chesukondi. avatolodiki naralu tempali anna kangaru lo meedi enduku tempesukuntunnaru.. relax adn post | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15630 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.82.187.179 Rating: N/A |
mari 6th century BC aithe inka ibandhi enti enti?....Satavahanas started around 2nd century BC....... vallu Andhra ani ekkada rayaledhu kabatti andhra kaadhu antava...poni ekkadi vallamo raasara mari?......founder coins andhra lo dorikinappudu andhra vallu kaka em avutaaru.... | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15629 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.82.187.179 Rating: |
varusa modalu avutundhi inka.....Satavahanas Bs ani pracharam chestunte thread esi clarify cheyyakoodadha.....gajji ki anthu ledhu....baaga paranoia anukunta.....idhe thread lo Sunga dynasty Bs ani cheppa...history thread lo kooda edupu kantham shantam. kb daggaretukuni type cheste btr db kalyananiki. gajji ane word vaadaddu ani teermanincharu db lo. next time db members ni personal ga ante ban chesta (Message edited by sipayi on April 24, 2016) | ||
Maverick Legend Username: Maverick Post Number: 60757 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 68.50.101.68 Rating: |
baboi mamoolu hatred laa ledu..ippudu satavahana or satakarni B aite vacchina nastam emundi..some are falsly claiming aa? tokkalo ee cinema ki mundu evvadu anna disco chesara? pakka thread lo edo evado post cheste ee thred vesi clarify cheyyala..ee response chooste doubt vastondi..nijam ga B emo kiki Happy Vizag | ||
Jai_ycp Side Hero Username: Jai_ycp Post Number: 3654 Registered: 04-2015 Posted From: 108.28.40.99 Rating: N/A |
6th century BC not AD that is they prcede satavahanas. Appudu andhra anna kingdom Lekapovachu but tribe is well known. If satavahanas comes from that tribe, they would have specified it somewhere as pride. Cheyyaledhu ante they were from a lesser known place anega. Typically patha kalamu lo all kings used to link to surya vamsha or chandrA vamsha for prestiage and authenticity. So alantidhi Ayithe andhrA tribe ante cheppe vallu. That is as of today. Tommorrow if we can get new information, we can change. Currently it's premature ani na 2 cents the story of YCP and TDP in 2014 (AP)- http://goo.gl/zgrYmQ http://goo.gl/gn6XL5 the story of TDP in 2014 (T) - http://goo.gl/nyu1Wu | ||
Raman Legend Username: Raman Post Number: 43203 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 183.83.48.173 Rating: N/A |
manode same with patels in gujju land ani patel nayakudu hardick patel seppindu kada meeru warriors and rulers amma | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15627 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.82.187.179 Rating: N/A |
sixth century ki Satavaha rule end ki vachindi....anni coins meedha specify cheyyalsin avasatam ledhu......when they were ruling beyond ANdhra why would they specify as Andhra.....Andhra ane padamu ippudu vadutunnadu appudu vaadi vundakapovachu....Andhra tribe anedhi 6th century lo vunte Satvahanas mundhe branch out ayyi vundakkodahda? | ||
Siloan Legend Username: Siloan Post Number: 45904 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.137.234 Rating: N/A |
ante nitish | ||
Raman Legend Username: Raman Post Number: 43201 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 183.83.48.173 Rating: N/A |
tribe di emundi le kammas aka kurmi kambhojas are every where from afghanistan to kanyakumari ani ash ba seppindu kada | ||
Siloan Legend Username: Siloan Post Number: 45901 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.137.234 Rating: N/A |
kurukshetram lo andhra tribe kauravas pakshana fought sestiranta..but andhra tribe appatlo bihaaar nivaasul....migrated to godari-kissta land...ani edho blog lo sadiva... | ||
Jai_ycp Side Hero Username: Jai_ycp Post Number: 3653 Registered: 04-2015 Posted From: 108.28.40.99 Rating: N/A |
They are not from andhra tribe. As per Chinese traveller, on the banks of goddavari there was a big kingdom in 6th century bc. That was the andhra tribe kingdom. It was also specified in Buddhist texts in 4th century and mahajanapadas. So andhra tribe was a famous and well known by the time satavahanas established rule. If they are part of andhra, they would have specified somewhere in the coins or sasans. They never did that. They ruled andhra but not from andhra. Krishandevaraya type lo kaliossukunnamu  the story of YCP and TDP in 2014 (AP)- http://goo.gl/zgrYmQ http://goo.gl/gn6XL5 the story of TDP in 2014 (T) - http://goo.gl/nyu1Wu | ||
Raman Legend Username: Raman Post Number: 43197 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 183.83.48.173 Rating: N/A |
iddaru okate kada cheptondi east to west | ||
Siloan Legend Username: Siloan Post Number: 45898 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.137.234 Rating: N/A |
bharateeeeyud edhi chepthe adhe final | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15626 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.82.187.179 Rating: N/A |
Satavhana dynasty founder Simuka coins were found in Karimnaga district kotilingala....nuvvu cheppe intrepretation ee coins dorakka mundhu dhi.....Satavahanas origin is Andhra and they moved to west | ||
Jai_ycp Side Hero Username: Jai_ycp Post Number: 3651 Registered: 04-2015 Posted From: 108.28.40.99 Rating: N/A |
They are from eastern maharastra. By the time of satavahanas, andhra tribe was well known. However they never claimed them to be from them. Actually they moved and settled more on maharastra in later stages. Manamu voorikine pulimukotamu like krishandevaraya the story of YCP and TDP in 2014 (AP)- http://goo.gl/zgrYmQ http://goo.gl/gn6XL5 the story of TDP in 2014 (T) - http://goo.gl/nyu1Wu | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15625 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.82.187.179 Rating: N/A |
Satavahans di actuala ga non-aryan origins anta though they promoted vedic religion and Buddhism.....The satvahana queens were very influenced by Buddhhism....Satavahans practice matrilineal system....Though they patronized both Brahminism and Buddhism it seems their origins were in south India in andhra region | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15624 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.82.187.179 Rating: N/A |
Basis for ANdhra origins of Satvahanas \b(The theory that the eastern part of Deccan, i.e. Andhradesa was the homeland of the Satavahanas, is championed by scholars like E.J. Rapson, V.A. Smith, R.G. Bhandarkar, J. Burgess and others. Suktankar and others held this opinion that the Satavahanas came to power from Andhradesa as unwarranted mainly on four grounds: (1) Their earliest records, epigraphic and numismatic, have been discovered at Nanaghat and Nasik in the Western Deccan; (2) In Hathigumpha inscription of Kharavela, the dominions of the contemporary Satakarm are spoken of as being to the west of Kharavela's own kingdom of Kalinga; (3) Bala Sri's inscription while recounting the territorial possessions of her son, Gautamiputra Satakarni makes no mention of any locality in the Andhra area; and (4) the first available Satavahana records begin to appear in Andhradesa only during the reign of his successor Vasisthiputra Pulomavi. These arguments are the result of inadequate appreciation of the available information. The preconceived notion, that the Satavahanas had nothing to do with Andhradesa until the reign of Pulomavi I, blurred the vision of Suktankar and others in holding the Andhra origin as unwarranted. It is forgotten that Satakarni (II) of the Nanaghat record, who performed two Asvamedhas, one Rajasuya and other sacrifices, bore the title 'Dakshinapathapati', i.e. the lord of Deccan. Deccan naturally includes Andhradesa which is its eastern part. If it is conceded that the Satavahanas were Andhras and that they were masters of the Deccan, then the sentence 'heedless of Satakarni, he sent his forces to west' in Kharavela's inscription does not mean that Satakarni's dominions were confined only to the west of Kalinga and had no connection with the Andhra area. Further Bala Sri's record has not completely ignored the Andhra area. It refers to Siritana (Srisailam), Mahendra (the Eastern Ghats) and 'Assaka' (the south-east province of Hyderabad state and the Godavari district), as within her son's dominions. Moreover the earliest coins known hitherto were those of Satakarni I, the third member of the dynasty. Some very important coins have come to light recently. Of such coins the Kondapur coins bear the legend 'Sadvahana'. On palacographical grounds, this Satavahana can be placed in 3rd century B.C. Dr. P.V. Parabrahma Sastri collected very recently over hundred early coins near the village Kotitingala on the eastern side of the hillock called Munulagutta on the right bank of the river Godavari in the Peddabankur taluk of the Karimnagar district of Andhra Pradesh. These included seven coins belonging to the first Satavahana ruler Simuka. This discovery is of momentous importance for the history of the Satavahanas. It leaves no doubt about the association of the Satavahanas with Andhra from the very start. The legend on these coins strengthens the possibility that king Satavahana of Kondapur coins is none other than Simuka himself who is called Simuka Satavahana in a Nanaghat label inscription also. The Jain sources mention Satavahana as the first Andhra king. The Kathasarrtsagara contains a story about Satavahana. Therefore Satahana or Simuka Satavahana of the Kondapur and Kotilingala coins respectively is the same Satavahana who founded the imperial Andhra line and his successors called themselves Satavahanas, With regard to the capitals of the Satavahana kings, unreliable and much later legend points to Srikakulam in the Krishna district, which cannot stand for scrutiny. Dhanyakataka (Dharanikota in the Guntur district) seems to be the eastern capita] and when Maharashtra became part of Andhra empire and when the Satavahanas concentrated their more attention on western Deccan because of the Saka-pahlava menace. Paithan became the seat of their government in the west.} } | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 15623 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.82.187.179 Rating: |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satavahana_dynasty Their roots are uncertain.......started as vassals of mauryan empire....Patronized both Buddhism and Brahmanism......they patronized prakrit more than sanskrit..some are falsely claiming Brahmin origin......It seems nly sunga dynasty of Pushyamita has Brahmin caste origins in India |
