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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2016 - 09:58 pm:       

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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2016 - 08:22 pm:       


Mental_sachinodu:

yes.


What is anti-national, seditious act in your book? Why is call for violence (Bharat ki barbadi tak jung) not seditious? Please explain.
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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2016 - 02:29 pm:       


Mental_sachinodu:

you can see these laws were leftovers of an Empire, not a democracy and based on principles of "book" religions.




If you see below link many countries amended Sedition laws to suit present situation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition
 

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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2016 - 02:19 pm:       


Teluguhero:

Do you mean to say that raising anti national slogans is freedom of expression and that too in an educational institution.?




yes.


Teluguhero:

I dont think so.Earlier Kings never tolerated and gave severe punishment to people who participated in activities against to kingdom



yes, but we are not living under kings anymore. as you can see these laws were leftovers of an Empire, not a democracy and based on principles of "book" religions.
 

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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2016 - 02:06 pm:       


Mental_sachinodu:

vunkl,




LOL


Mental_sachinodu:

but in a general discussion where its one one indivdiuals stance - i think such freedom should be given.




Do you mean to say that raising anti national slogans is freedom of expression and that too in an educational institution.?


Mental_sachinodu:

Between, I am against Sedition, Infamation, and Blasphemy Laws. All of these laws are alien to India and core indian culture.




I dont think so.Earlier Kings never tolerated and gave severe punishment to people who participated in activities against to kingdom
 

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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2016 - 01:41 pm:       

"criticism" is a weak word to describe the activities of JNU batch.
 

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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2016 - 01:41 pm:       

Country first .. yes imposition ivvali , Telugu state ruling party and leaders ki.
 

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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2016 - 01:30 pm:       


Teluguhero:

Section 124-A- Sedition

Whoever, by words, either spoken or written, or by signs, or by visible representation, or otherwise, brings or attempts to bring into hatred or contempt, or excites or attempts to excite disaffection towards. 2[* * *] the Government established by law in 3[India], 4[* * *] shall be punished with 5[imprisonment for life], to which fine may be added, or with imprisonment which may extend to three years, to which fine may be added, or with fine.

Explanation 1-The expression "disaffection" includes disloyalty and all feelings of enmity.




vunkl,
I know what sedition is. like i have mentioned context matters. if you are inciting a group to act against the land, yes it is not acceptable and can be tried in courts.

but in a general discussion where its one one indivdiuals stance - i think such freedom should be given.

Between, I am against Sedition, Infamation, and Blasphemy Laws. All of these laws are alien to India and core indian culture.

Half of them are left-overs of British empire and laws like Blasphemy Laws were bought in by Muslims.

I feel these laws should be not be applicable anymore.
 

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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2016 - 01:23 pm:       


Mental_sachinodu:




i meant, its subjective. and have to go case by case. i actually meant what you said ?:D
 

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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2016 - 01:21 pm:       


Mental_sachinodu:

its not acceptable but should not be liable in courts





Starc:

Any one can criticize country in any aspec




http://www.indianlawcases.com/Act-Indian.Penal.Code,1860-155 7

Section 124-A- Sedition

Whoever, by words, either spoken or written, or by signs, or by visible representation, or otherwise, brings or attempts to bring into hatred or contempt, or excites or attempts to excite disaffection towards. 2[* * *] the Government established by law in 3[India], 4[* * *] shall be punished with 5[imprisonment for life], to which fine may be added, or with imprisonment which may extend to three years, to which fine may be added, or with fine.

Explanation 1-The expression "disaffection" includes disloyalty and all feelings of enmity.

Explanation 2-Comments expressing disapprobation of the measures of the attempting to excite hatred, contempt or disaffection, do not constitute an offence under this section.

Explanation 3-Comments expressing disapprobation of the administrative or other action of the Government without exciting or attempting to excite hatred, contempt or disaffection, do not constitute an offence under this section.

1. Subs. by Act 4 of 1898, s. 4, for the original s. 124A which had been ins. by Act 27 of 1870, s. 5.

2. The words "Her Majesty or" omitted by the A.O. 1950. The words "or the Crown Representative inserted after the word "Majesty" by the A.O. 1937 were omitted by the A.O. 1948.

3. The words "British India" have successively been subs. by the A.O. 1948, the A.O.1950 and Act 3 of 1951, sec.3 and sch. to read as above.

4. The words "or "British Burma" ins. by the A.O.1937 omitted by the A.O.1948.

5. Subs. by Act 26 of 1955, sec.117 and sch., for "Transportation for life or any shorter term" (w.e.f.1-1-1956).
 

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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2016 - 01:16 pm:       

tilak..

enti .. manam emanna niyantha ruling lo unnama? Any one can criticize country in any aspect.. govt edi cheste ade goppa.. india corrupted anoddu.. ante ela

Rajyangam.. icche basic rights avi..

Jai Hind, Hidnustan mahan.. bharathmatha ki jai.. ivanni.. manam kalpinchukunnavi.. 20% unna muslims vatini ela antaru..

why even we need to have these slogans? why cannot we have jai India.. india is great.. ?

never tie india to a religion.. it is sickening.
 

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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2016 - 01:10 pm:       


Asdf:

epu nenu inkodni podichesi aa statement valla chesaanu ani cheppachu, or aa statement valla edo chesi i may not state the reason.

aadevado hindu maha sabha leader arrest ainaadu NSA case lo, for hist stmts on pravaktha. FOS ledu desam lo




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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2016 - 01:03 pm:       

Super I agree

BJP Govt is Bad
India country is bad

rendintiki chala theda undhi. first acceptable second unacceptable
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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2016 - 01:00 pm:       


Mental_sachinodu:

as long as such statements are not being used to incite violence




repu nenu inkodni podichesi aa statement valla chesaanu ani cheppachu, or aa statement valla edo chesi i may not state the reason. :D

aadevado hindu maha sabha leader arrest ainaadu NSA case lo, for hist stmts on pravaktha. FOS ledu desam lo
 

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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2016 - 12:52 pm:       

"Bharath ki Barbadhi" - if someone says, its not acceptable but should not be liable in courts.

There may be folks who have opposing views, and they might take object and respond similarly to the person who made the comments.

as long as such statements are not being used to incite violence - barking dogs ani mundhuku povatame. there are always debate forums to handle such people.

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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2016 - 12:47 pm:       

Donga Padina 6 months ki ... Nidra LECHINA Modi
 

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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2016 - 12:45 pm:       


Sirish:

there is practically no difference




good luck with that.
 

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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2016 - 12:42 pm:       


Asdf:

there is something called freedom of speech, and hate speech.


there is practically no difference . you don't knit pick what is freedom of speech. the question is not about freedom of speech. everybody already has it. the question is should the govt have freedom of blocking speech. and only fascist governments do of which the current one is clearly one.
 

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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2016 - 10:22 am:       


Sirish:

nukunte evadiki em noppi ? who is the victim of that action ?




there is something called freedom of speech, and hate speech.
 

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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2016 - 10:15 am:       


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does it apply to everyone who go to Uk/Australia and say we are ashamed of india




Modi said people were frustrated with the kind of governance our country got since Independence and how people had lost hopes with political class
 

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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2016 - 09:46 am:       


Tilak:

Bharat ki barbaadi


anukunte evadiki em noppi ? who is the victim of that action ? watch rgv episode on desha bhakthi. konchem symptoms taggutayi
 

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Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2016 - 08:57 pm:       

Feb 9 (on the day Afzal is served the death sentence) rally teesi .. Bharat ki barbaadi ani .. malli freedom of expression venaka daakkutunnara? idi anti-national activity kakapothe what is? LOL
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Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2016 - 08:57 pm:       


Tilak:

Criticism of nation is not acceptable: Modi




super... desham vishayam lo ye luchagadiki FREEDOM OF SPEECH undoddu

prati gottam nayalu freedom of speech ani addamaina kootalu koostunnaru

alanti vallani bokkalo esi makkeliraga dengali


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Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2016 - 08:55 pm:       


Sirish:

because it can mean criticism of government ?


criticism of govt .. criticism of nation ki teda teliyani edavalu evaru leru .. Bharat ki barbadi ane slogan lo criticism of govt emundi? explain cheyyi ..

Sirish:

freedom of expression scares those who don't want to hear the truth


people who cant politically fight straight hide behind freedom of expression .. truth antha pedda matalu deniki le .. kashmir mange aazadi, kerala mange aazadi ani univs lo adukku tirige bathukulaki ..
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Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2016 - 08:53 pm:       

yeah Right manam Matram paraye desam ki poyee criticize cheyachu desam ni
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Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2016 - 08:52 pm:       

why is it not acceptable ? because it can mean criticism of government ? freedom of expression scares those who don't want to hear the truth
 

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Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2016 - 08:30 pm:       

BJP raises pitch on 'nationalism'


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Amit Shah questions Rahul Gandhi's JNU visit, says will not accept criticism of the nation

Upping the ante on the debate over nationalism and "anti-nationals", BJP president Amit Shah on Saturday questioned Congress leader Rahul Gandhi over his visit to Jawaharlal Nehru University after action was taken against some students following an event to mark the hanging of Afzal Guru, convicted in the Parliament attack case.

He was addressing delegates at a meeting of the BJPâs national executive here.

"The party president said that anti-national slogans calling for India to be broken to pieces were raised in the JNU. Rahul Gandhi went there and said nothing against the slogans, but talked about freedom of expression," BJP leader and Union Minister Ravi Shankar Prasad told presspersons, adding that this tacitly ended up justifying the sloganeering. "The BJP welcomes criticism of a person, party or government, but we won't accept criticism of the nation. Patent anti-national activity cannot be justified on grounds of the freedom of expression."

Summarising Mr. Shah's inaugural address at the BJP national executive, Mr. Prasad took a dig at the Left, saying "supporters of Maoism and Stalin are asking about the freedom of expression".

He said Mr. Shah also questioned the Congress's own credentials on the freedom of expression, recalling the excesses of the Emergency.

Mr. Shah underlined in his speech that there could be no difference of opinion on Bharat Mata Ki Jai, a slogan that had been an inspiration for nationalists for a long time.




Rahul G gadu JNU ki velladam costly political mistake. No serious politician should ever side with anti-nationals.
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Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2016 - 08:28 pm:       


Rgb:

Criticism has to be internal with the purpose of improvement. Mana politicians just criticize for political mileage


+1

Problem antha ye OYC and other luchaa batch chese latkor comments...kosi kaaram yettaali....veellu anti-national elements
 

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Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2016 - 08:18 pm:       

100% true

does it apply to everyone who go to Uk/Australia and say we are ashamed of india

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Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2016 - 08:12 pm:       

 

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Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2016 - 08:10 pm:       

yes agree with him finally.
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Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2016 - 08:07 pm:       

Criticism has to be internal with the purpose of improvement. Mana politicians just criticize for political mileage
 

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Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2016 - 08:05 pm:       


Tilak:

Criticism of nation is not acceptable: Modi


 

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Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2016 - 07:47 pm:       

Freedom does not cover calls to destroy country: political resolution


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The Bharatiya Janata Party's two-day national executive kept its political preoccupations, both with the debate on nationalism and its attempts at making up with the Dalit community after the suicide of University of Hyderabad student Rohith Vemula, front and centre.

On the concluding day of the event on Sunday, the party announced grand plans for Prime Minister Narendra Modiâs visit to Mhow, the birth place of Constitution framer B.R. Ambedkar on his birth anniversary on April 14, while also declaring in its political resolution that âfreedom of expression and nationalism do necessarily co-existâ but that this fundamental right does not cover calls to destroy the country.

Mr. Modi also said, in his address to the executive, that the party and the government âwas accepting of political criticism of itself, but not of the nation.â

Finance Minister Arun Jaitley, giving details of the resolution, said that neither the cases of sedition against students of Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) nor Mr. Vemula was referred to specifically in the resolution.

The two issues, however, were definitely on top of the minds of the party leaders.

The resolution highlighted government efforts like building memorials for Ambedkar in Maharashtra and London where he had stayed or how entrepreneurs belonging to weaker sections were being given loans under the Mudra scheme to develop an âinstitution of Dalit entrepreneurs.â

Asked if the executive also discussed the row over the slogan âBharat mata ki jaiâ, Mr. Jaitley said the party believed it to be an issue over which there should be no debate. He also blamed âultra-Left elements rather than members of the minority communitiesâ for the JNU incidents.

Home Minister Rajnath Singh said Mr. Modi told partymen ânot to be distracted by attempts by an envious opposition to embroil them in controversies.â

The BJP national executive resolution highlighted government efforts like building memorials for Constitution framer Babasaheb Ambedkar in Maharashtra and London where he had stayed or how entrepreneurs belonging to weaker sections were given loans under the Mudra scheme to develop an âinstitution of Dalit entrepreneurs.â

The political resolution stated: âOur Constitution guarantees freedom of expression to every citizen, but that freedom is only enjoyable within its framework. Talking of destruction of Bharat canât be supported in the name of freedom of expression. Similarly refusal to hail Bharat â say Bharat Mata ki Jai â in the name of freedom of expression is also unacceptable. Our Constitution describes India and Bharat also: refusal to chant victory to Bharat is tantamount to disrespect to our Constitution itself. Bharat Mata ki Jai is not merely a slogan. It was the mantra of our freedom struggle. It is the heartbeat of a billion people today. It is the reiteration of our Constitutional obligation as citizens to uphold its primacy. The BJP makes it clear that it will firmly oppose any attempt to disrespect Bharat and weaken its unity and integrity.â

Modiâs speech

Home Minister Rajnath Singh gave details about Prime Minister Narendra Modiâs address to the gathering, where he told partymen ânot to be distracted by attempts by an envious opposition to embroil them in controversies.â He also unveiled future programmes of the party, including the Prime Ministerâs proposed visit to Mhow on April 14 and the plans to celebrate samajik samarasta (social harmony) events between April 14-16.

April 24 is Panchayati Raj day, and the party will, on April 19 and 20 hold Kisan Sabhas in as many gram panchayats as possible to connect with the rural masses. From April 21-24 these programmes of mass contact will culminate in conclaves of panchayat representatives. Mr. Modi will address one in Jamshedpur on April 24.




http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/criticism-of-nation-is -not-acceptable-says-pm-modi/article8377935.ece?homepage=tru e

The message is very clear - one cannot criticize India in the name of any reason - be it freedom of speech or azadi or human rights or other such issues.
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