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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 02:51 pm:       


Inquisitive:

A good economy resulting from xyz factors can result in increased demand for crude and thus higher prices




understood..but the economy can tolerate higher prices to a certain extent only, right?...once oil prices go over that threshold, it is going to have an impact on economy as consumer spending will go down eventually.


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If RBI raises interest rates, it'll lead to increased demand for rupee and thus rupee appreciation. Lowering interest rates will immediately depreciate the currency. But it is a well known and observed fact that high interest rate currencies like rupee are depreciating currencies and low interest rate currencies like dollar, yen etc. are appreciating. The point here is that it is not the raised interest rate that is causing the currency to depreciate. Other factors are causing currency to depreciate and interest rates to be high.




understood...but we are talking about interest rates in the context of housing market. higher interest rates will result in higher monthly payments, which will eventually drive out or downsize many prospective buyers. This will directly have an impact on housing values.
 

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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 02:13 pm:       


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Don't we see inverse relation between home values and interest rates? Typically Home Values go down when interest rates go up..as people tend to put money in other faster growing investments. And higher interest rates mean higher monthly mortgage payments, which significantly reduces home buyers in the market.




The latter part of what you said it's correct but the relationship is not necessarily like that. It is complex but I'll try to give two examples to distinguish causality from correlation:
1. Crude oil is a key input to industrial production and it is also a key factor in transportation cost so low crude oil is undoubtedly good for the economy. However, if we conclude that high crude pprices are seen during bad economic times and low crude prices during good times, we are mistaken. It is because a bad economy resulting from xyz factors can cause crude prices to go down. A good economy resulting from xyz factors can result in increased demand for crude and thus higher prices
2. If RBI raises interest rates, it'll lead to increased demand for rupee and thus rupee appreciation. Lowering interest rates will immediately depreciate the currency. But it is a well known and observed fact that high interest rate currencies like rupee are depreciating currencies and low interest rate currencies like dollar, yen etc. are appreciating. The point here is that it is not the raised interest rate that is causing the currency to depreciate. Other factors are causing currency to depreciate and interest rates to be high.
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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 11:40 am:       


Inquisitive:

When would US mortgage interest rates rise? If the economy is expected to grow a good pace. If the market expects that, not only interest rates, a lot of other things would grow too. For instance, your salary, stock portfolio, home value etc.




Don't we see inverse relation between home values and interest rates? Typically Home Values go down when interest rates go up..as people tend to put money in other faster growing investments. And higher interest rates mean higher monthly mortgage payments, which significantly reduces home buyers in the market.
 

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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 11:37 am:       


Rajusk:

naaku telisina okallu vonly Frisco area lo ne 3 investment properties oka own manage chestunnar..all acquired in last 2 years


if u r already settled in ur current home and has GC then u can venture into that..
Jalsa kurrod ki GC ledu naku telisi and planning to buy 1st home..alantapudu investment home konukkomani cheppadam entha varaku samanjasam
 

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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 11:34 am:       


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home for investment is very bad idea in US.




emo rao garu..

naaku telisina okallu vonly Frisco area lo ne 3 investment properties oka own manage chestunnar..all acquired in last 2 years
 

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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 11:30 am:       


Gotcha:

primary home malli konochu, mundu investment property konuko ani chebutuna.


ayya ki leka omlet tintunte koduku kodi biryani adigadanta

oka home kontanike kinda meeda padtunte malli investment home okataa..home for investment is very bad idea in US.
 

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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 11:24 am:       


Andhrawala:

Jalsa is buying for his primary home


primary home malli konochu, mundu investment property konuko ani chebutuna. he can just delay by a year if he has 20% downpayment for primary house, buy with it 10% an investment house, after 6 months with another 10% he can buy his primary house. manchi chance idi for him to buy 2 houses this year.
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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 11:09 am:       


Inquisitive:

Even if the rates go up so much, it is not that bad. Let me explain why. When would US mortgage interest rates rise? If the economy is expected to grow a good pace. If the market expects that, not only interest rates, a lot of other things would grow too. For instance, your salary, stock portfolio, home value etc. In such a state, a little increase in your mortgage payment is not going to hurt you much.


u echoed my thoughts. so 5/1 lock anukuntunna. worst case if rates start going up, we can refi at that time and go for 30 year.

btw, mee knowledge in this area, english meeda pattu keka.. complicated thoughts/opinions ni simple language lo explain cheyadam oka art
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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 10:46 am:       


Jalsa:

diversity valla advantage etantaru?




ante..we are living in a diverse warald kada..

atla inti deggara kooda complex lo curry smell.

school ki pothe kooda curry smell ante ..

pillalaki kollege ki pothe kulture shock undakoodadu kada ani naa keyboard thinking anthe :D

I might be totally wrong also
 

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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 10:45 am:       


Jalsa:

But, no guarantee that we'll stay at same work place. Park and Ride daggarlo ledhanukunta ga monroe ki? how about buses from south brunswick?




there is one park and ride in Monroe..if you are closer to exit 8..

otherwise you need to go Exit 9 (route 18) or Route 9 (park and ride) or 8A park and ride (on 130)..

South brunswick lo buses ante..8A okkate..

Jalsa:

but south brunswick kooda anthey kadha, until north brunswick train station comes in.




today they go to Jersey Avenue....in a year or two..North Bruns (inshaa..wating for this to happen)
 

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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 10:41 am:       


Rajusk:

not proven school district..it will be just crowded with Desis and will become another Edison..with no diversity



naatho cheppadam, school district will improve as desis get crowded there :P diversity valla advantage etantaru?
 

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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 10:40 am:       


Rajusk:

enduku pothunnaro teliyadu..

it is in the middle of no where ..with no infrastructure that you would need like Stores near by..

not proven school district..it will be just crowded with Desis and will become another Edison..with no diversity

you are equidistant from 9/18/130 and forget about Train



but south brunswick kooda anthey kadha, until north brunswick train station comes in. From my workplace to edison and monroe, 10 mins add avuthundhi anthey. But, no guarantee that we'll stay at same work place. Park and Ride daggarlo ledhanukunta ga monroe ki? how about buses from south brunswick?
 

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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 10:32 am:       


Jalsa:

.office lo ney 2-3 folks buying in monroe.




enduku pothunnaro teliyadu..

it is in the middle of no where ..with no infrastructure that you would need like Stores near by..

not proven school district..it will be just crowded with Desis and will become another Edison..with no diversity

you are equidistant from 9/18/130 and forget about Train
 

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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 10:27 am:       


Rajusk:

kaani ee new community vachina taruvatha schools lo crowding soosuko mari



em seyalem...any area is like that, even monroe...istamochinattu konestunnaru...office lo ney 2-3 folks buying in monroe.
 

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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 10:21 am:       


Jalsa:

yes coming and going. new community ki waitlist cheyadaniki kooda lenantha demand




neeku aa area lo trees cutting appude seppa..

appudu nuvvu not vinterested annav with budget in mind..anduke follow up info ivvale..

Jalsa:

mee dosth aa?




ledu ..in general septhunna..

just drive thru those gullies on weekends antunna..for vopen houses..

precise gaa nee budget range lo communities ante..kwalling seyyi..ae gullies lo untayo septha..within South Brunswick

kaani ee new community vachina taruvatha schools lo crowding soosuko mari :D
 

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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 10:15 am:       


Rajusk:

kkada Dayton/Apna Bazar deggara community gatra lo watch out in For Sale by Owner starting in spring



mee dosth aa?
 

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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 10:15 am:       


Rajusk:

aare aur chale bhi jaare..

are you sure ..if there are any left..

open ayyinavi ..ayyinattu gaa khatam ayyinayi naaku telisi..

mana kirket team lo oka kurrod booked and August ki delivery

inko kurrod ..just visited anukonta..Biryani to confirm on this



yes coming and going. new community ki waitlist cheyadaniki kooda lenantha demand
 

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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 10:13 am:       


Jalsa:

south brunswick, yes for special ed schooling is good there.




akkada Dayton/Apna Bazar deggara community gatra lo watch out in For Sale by Owner starting in spring
 

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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 10:10 am:       


Jalsa:

south brunswick mein naye townhomes aare...500K mein...what do you think?




aare aur chale bhi jaare..

are you sure ..if there are any left..

open ayyinavi ..ayyinattu gaa khatam ayyinayi naaku telisi..

mana kirket team lo oka kurrod booked and August ki delivery

inko kurrod ..just visited anukonta..Biryani to confirm on this :D
 

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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 10:00 am:       


Gsn1:

Under any scenario, my advise is always go with NO POINTS.


points are tax deductible kada just like mortgage interest..
 

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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 09:27 am:       


Vasu:



thankses
 

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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 09:13 am:       


Jalsa:


mail madithi bhai
 

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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 09:09 am:       


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Jalsa,
Investment kosam illu konte 300k lone vastayi Dallas lo adi konuko first, as first house u have luxury of just putting 5 to 10% down. When u buy in nj again since it will be ur primary house malli inko 10% down to konochu, ila set cheyi baga workout avutundi neeku



primary home kosam choostunna bhaiyya.
 

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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 08:28 am:       


Gotcha:

Jalsa,
Investment kosam illu konte 300k lone vastayi Dallas lo adi konuko first, as first house u have luxury of just putting 5 to 10% down. When u buy in nj again since it will be ur primary house malli inko 10% down to konochu, ila set cheyi baga workout avutundi neeku




Jalsa is buying for his primary home
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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 07:48 am:       

Jalsa,
Investment kosam illu konte 300k lone vastayi Dallas lo adi konuko first, as first house u have luxury of just putting 5 to 10% down. When u buy in nj again since it will be ur primary house malli inko 10% down to konochu, ila set cheyi baga workout avutundi neeku
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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2016 - 06:48 am:       


Vasu:

mailing id ichuko bhai will send or ask our saleem feku sesani



Jalsa dot ccdb at Yahoo dot com
Feku sesani not helping rey
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 11:36 pm:       


Vasu:

he is better in that area... did you meet up sales office and gave your details?



yeah ichhaanu....evo konni unnai oka community lo...inko community excavation nadusthundhi
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 11:28 pm:       


Jalsa:

k. hovnian.


he is better in that area... did you meet up sales office and gave your details?
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 10:58 pm:       


Vasu:


500k... which builder? Let me know.... I can help you on something



k. hovnian.


Vasu:

e area vinna ikkada santha lo samanlu konnattu kontunnaru anta janalu



normal ga kaadhu....thandopathandaalu ga kontunnaaru..
next monroe is robinsville anta, kikiki
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 10:43 pm:       


Jalsa:

last option is monroe


e area vinna ikkada santha lo samanlu konnattu kontunnaru anta janalu over crowd ayitadi emo chusuko but one way you get support
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 10:41 pm:       


Jalsa:

south brunswick, yes for special ed schooling is good there.


then no second thought bhai...... go for it.

First we need to look for kids.... then only other things.

500k... which builder? Let me know.... I can help you on something
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 10:38 pm:       


Vasu:



last option is monroe. I understand about HOA for townhomes...10-15 years old ayina parledhu but < 500K untey i can afford.
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 10:36 pm:       


Vasu:

Single Family homes by Kendal Park (may be around 10-15 years old)



ikkada already remodeled houses ni choosa...but commute from there to either train station or to turnpike is tough ani oorukunna.

south brunswick, yes for special ed schooling is good there.
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 10:26 pm:       


Jalsa:

south brunswick mein naye townhomes aare...500K mein...what do you think?


sorry missed this part.. why south brunswick.. just for schooling reasons? East Brunswick kuda bane undi bhai.... this is what I recommend you to check...

Townhome -> Find property value and use any online mortgage calculator get me the monthly payment details.. and then add the association fees (this is what you can avoid if you go with single family)

Single Family homes by Kendal Park (may be around 10-15 years old) should be in 500k range or little less too... depending on the community you choose. Do the same math.. find the monthly payment

Now compare these 2 numbers... you will get an idea... let me know the numbers.... I can recommend something based on that
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 10:22 pm:       


Jalsa:

mereko bhi bhejo yaaro vo documentaaa...south brunswick mein naye townhomes aare...500K mein...what do you think?


mailing id ichuko bhai will send or ask our saleem feku sesani if you happen to be in touch with him on whatsapp
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 07:39 pm:       


Vasu:

good rate ani cheppi paddaka refinancing cheyyaku... kudispotavu.




this is very true...need to look at what you have already paid so far and what you will end up paying with refinance.
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 07:03 pm:       


Vasu:



mereko bhi bhejo yaaro vo documentaaa...south brunswick mein naye townhomes aare...500K mein...what do you think?
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 05:54 pm:       


Vasu:

Builder credit will get you 1099-MISC and will have to show as income in tax filing... same with WF credit also.


excellent info. meeru keka bro..

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 05:17 pm:       


Sesani:

its not particularly abt saving or losing... its all about getting the best rate in the current market


good rate ani cheppi paddaka refinancing cheyyaku... kudispotavu.

It's not just about the rate or the monthly PMI, final ga manam enta total dobbettukuntunnamu anedi final that's why people look at amortization table for complete details

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 05:12 pm:       


Mrhyderabad:

if u with builder financing 8K credit towards closing anta

on top of that, 2 points pay chesi, wells fargo auto payment sign up chesthe, wells fargo gives another 9k (1%) credit towards closing anta.. so u only pay for 1 point.. with 8k builder creadit, it is almost negligible (2k)

3.875 for 30 years or 3.0 for 5/1 - both with 2 points buying but at no cost with above math

wt do u think


Builder credit will get you 1099-MISC and will have to show as income in tax filing... same with WF credit also.

There are lot of worksheets available online to work out different scenarios.....

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 03:59 pm:       


Sesani:

only way u can structure is by re-financing which can be done for fixed or ARM..



Yes, for most people I think this is the best. For those whose business/job and investment portfolio are negatively linked to interest rates or economy as a whole (McD Franchisee owner for example), fixed rate 30 year mortgage may make sense.
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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 03:52 pm:       


Mrhyderabad:




short arm i have no idea , 30 year look good
But you can simply compare this with aimlon

what i did was
1. asked the closing statement from onQ with a quote
2. got the another quote from aimloan
3. now i know all closing costs on both side
4. created an excel , changing different rates
5. and finally chose one and negotiated
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 03:35 pm:       


Last_avataar:

I went thru my builder lender onQ financials.


yeah builder tempting offer - if u with builder financing 8K credit towards closing anta

on top of that, 2 points pay chesi, wells fargo auto payment sign up chesthe, wells fargo gives another 9k (1%) credit towards closing anta.. so u only pay for 1 point.. with 8k builder creadit, it is almost negligible (2k)

3.875 for 30 years or 3.0 for 5/1 - both with 2 points buying but at no cost with above math

wt do u think
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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 03:33 pm:       

Under any scenario, my advise is always go with NO POINTS.

Basically, you are paying upfront this amount instead of paying the same amount in installments over the term of the loan.
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 03:30 pm:       



oka mukka artham kaaledu..

what is 5/1,7/1,10/1?
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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 03:16 pm:       


Mrhyderabad:




I went thru my builder lender onQ financials.
But i got good quotes from aimloan using which i bargained with onQ
and BAC

Finally onQ agreed for my proposal, as i need him even for 2k credit
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 03:14 pm:       


Mrhyderabad:




Mestaaru Meeru kooda malanti vollani kindaling seste ekkada tattukogalam

Initially i thought of 30 years , but i want to take chance for 15 years because donot want much when kids enter college

Meeru entrepreneurs meeku salaha ichentollam kaadu. edo tochinadi cheppenu

It will be touch for me from some time. But it ignites fire to earn more
30 years not a bad choice if we want to hold that for more than 20-25 years
or refinance in the middle
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 02:44 pm:       


Risingstar:

No questions asked..monthly 650$ ekkuva pay chestha anthee..


why. u could have used that money to buy another house kada bro. try to reduce ur payment as banks only look at how much ur paying and how much is incoming for lending. dabulu unte happy ga inko illu konevadivi kada.

they don't care that u r paying ur house early or u have lot of equity while lending to a new house.
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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 02:42 pm:       

2.87 ki 15 years refinance cheyuncha nenu yesterday. No questions asked..monthly 650$ ekkuva pay chestha anthee..
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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 02:35 pm:       


Last_avataar:

15 years




did u go with Aimloan? who is the underwriter?
Don't say you don't have enough time. You have exactly the same number of hours per day that were given to Helen Keller, Pasteur, Michaelangelo, Mother Teresea, Leonardo da Vinci, Thomas Jefferson, and Albert Einstein
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 02:35 pm:       

nenu refinance chesa
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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 02:20 pm:       


Inquisitive:

People here seem to be looking purely in dollars saved or lost. That is a bad way of looking at things. The lender has much more knowledge than you about the possible direction in which interest rates are headed so don't try to beat him there. Just think of structuring your mortgage in such a way that payments could go up when you can afford it and go down when you really need to cut down on expenses.




Bhayya... its not particularly abt saving or losing... its all about getting the best rate in the current market/doing our own research... we can never beat the banks is agreed but different banks have different rates, ARMS, points so doing the math is required to knw what we are gaining or losing..


Inquisitive:

Just think of structuring your mortgage in such a way that payments could go up when you can afford it and go down when you really need to cut down on expenses.


This isnt easy kada... as per ur statement, 30 yrs mortgage is definitely useless because u keep paying constant amount, regardless of the market conditions... only way u can structure is by re-financing which can be done for fixed or ARM..
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 02:19 pm:       


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Thank you Sesani Bro
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 02:14 pm:       


Last_avataar:

I just closed today


congrats!
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 01:52 pm:       


Mrhyderabad:




I just closed today 2.875% 15 years, 0 points
Usually we should not go more than 0.615% range when you buy points
if you buy , buy with any left over available in Realtor credit

aimloan is giving good rates with 0 points. please verify there
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 01:23 pm:       


Dreamcatcher:

not fixed, reduction in interest rate per point depends on the lenders.


Ohh..nenu contact chesina two banks ee rate ey chepparu...So, standard rates anukunna
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 01:18 pm:       


Sanju:

1% point = 0.125% cut on your loan (fees 1% of your loan amount)
2% points = 0.25% cut on your loan annattu (fees 2% of your loan amount)




not fixed, reduction in interest rate per point depends on the lenders.
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 01:17 pm:       


Mrhyderabad:

If the rates go above 5% then it will be bad.. right?



Even if the rates go up so much, it is not that bad. Let me explain why. When would US mortgage interest rates rise? If the economy is expected to grow a good pace. If the market expects that, not only interest rates, a lot of other things would grow too. For instance, your salary, stock portfolio, home value etc. In such a state, a little increase in your mortgage payment is not going to hurt you much.

Now let's discuss the scenario of interest rate decline. I know that rates are quite low right now based on historical standards but what if they don't go up or go further down in five years? When would that happen? If the expectation on US growth is very low. (Salary cuts and layoffs, stock market crash etc.) At such a time, your ARM would save you money by lowering your payments or at least keeping it lower than fixed rate.

People here seem to be looking purely in dollars saved or lost. That is a bad way of looking at things. The lender has much more knowledge than you about the possible direction in which interest rates are headed so don't try to beat him there. Just think of structuring your mortgage in such a way that payments could go up when you can afford it and go down when you really need to cut down on expenses.
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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 01:16 pm:       

Since ur in NJ... apply through Affinity Federal Credit union (local bank)... the best rates I got were on AFU... even pen fed or DCU couldnt beat them
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 01:13 pm:       


Mrhyderabad:


Also, points theesukuntey you will be paying 1% of loan amount, you will pay upfront for a 0.125% cut in the interest on your loan. So, buying points could add up to a significant portion of your closing costs if you go that route...

1% point = 0.125% cut on your loan (fees 1% of your loan amount)
2% points = 0.25% cut on your loan annattu (fees 2% of your loan amount)
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 01:12 pm:       


Mrhyderabad:


All comes down to numbers... You have to do the math on paper to decide which is better...

30 yrs vs 5/1 or 7/1 or 10/1 all depends on ur thought process and numbers...

- Are you willing to pay less interest and/or clear the loan in 5/1 or 7/1 or 10/1?? Then go for 5/1 or 7/1 or 10/1. If u want to pay less interest/payments for first few yrs but dnt have any plans to clear the loan before the first adjustment, please calculate the money u saved via interest (on 30 yr loan no ARM) vs. the re-financing amount and the new interest rate after x yrs (which u wont know).

Now along with this include the points.. if I pay points, it might bring down the loan .25% but over a period of time, the point I paid vs. the difference in interest.. is it worth?

Example -

500k home 7/1 and 20% down... 400k is the loan.

Interest is 3% with 1 point vs 3.25 without point.

Over 7 yrs u pay $56,810.42 interest with 3% and $61,676.55 with 3.25..

You point was 1 which is 4k... so

Over 7 yrs u pay $60,810.42 interest with 3% and $61,676.55 with 3.25..

plus after 7 yrs what will be the interest rate and closing costs etc. etc.
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 01:11 pm:       

See what is the final apy

Decide based on that also if you are planning to refi than there is no point of paying points and closing cost
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 01:05 pm:       


Mrhyderabad:

Worth buying points or no?



Some people are likely to prepay and some are likely to hold on for a long time. Often, the borrower has a decent idea of what kind of a person he is, but the lender doesn't. Points are a way for the lender to separate out those who pose a high prepayment risk from those who are likely to hold onto the mortgage for a long time. It is structured in a way to hit those who prepay and benefit those who hold on.

Make the decision based on your probability of prepayment.
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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 01:05 pm:       

don't they reset 5/1 arms rate every year after first 5 years? So, your rate will be changing every year from 6th year.

Ultimately, like Sanju said, it depends on what your goal is.
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 12:56 pm:       


Mrhyderabad:

why? let's say, you get current 5/1 rate at 3% and 30 year fixed at 4%.. if you go with 5/1 ARM then you only pay 3% for 5 years and then it adjusts to market rate that time. If we assume rates will go up to 4% in 5 years then you will be saving 1% interest for 5 years. If the rates go above 5% then it will be bad.. right?


correct..
mee goal enti? thakka interest paycheyyatama? thakkuva monthly payment aa? deenni batti decide cheyyandi...

5 yrs tharvaatha kooda rate 4-5% madyaloney vuntai anukuntunnara? naa varaku 5yr lo payoff chesettu ayithey ARM theesukunta...lekapothey 30yr fixed
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 12:48 pm:       


Sanju:

But, if you plan to payoff the loan in 5-7 yrs, then ARM is the way to go.


why? let's say, you get current 5/1 rate at 3% and 30 year fixed at 4%.. if you go with 5/1 ARM then you only pay 3% for 5 years and then it adjusts to market rate that time. If we assume rates will go up to 4% in 5 years then you will be saving 1% interest for 5 years. If the rates go above 5% then it will be bad.. right?
Don't say you don't have enough time. You have exactly the same number of hours per day that were given to Helen Keller, Pasteur, Michaelangelo, Mother Teresea, Leonardo da Vinci, Thomas Jefferson, and Albert Einstein
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 12:42 pm:       


Mrhyderabad:


You need to keep the mortgage for more than 6 yrs to breakeven if you buy 1 point down and keep the mortgage for more than 20 yrs to save on interest.
But, if you plan to payoff the loan in 5-7 yrs, then ARM is the way to go.
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 12:39 pm:       


Tombrady:

buying points is NOT worth it,


what if you buy 2 points but you can credit for 1 point if you sign up for direct debit auto payment?
Don't say you don't have enough time. You have exactly the same number of hours per day that were given to Helen Keller, Pasteur, Michaelangelo, Mother Teresea, Leonardo da Vinci, Thomas Jefferson, and Albert Einstein
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 12:35 pm:       

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 12:33 pm:       

Congrats Hyder! :-)
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 12:33 pm:       


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annai, db nundi ban cheseyandi oka pani ayipotundi.. chuss okka thread kuda veyyanivvaraa? ninna swimming pool yedi better classes ki ante comedy.. endi idi?
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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 12:26 pm:       


Mrhyderabad:

Worth buying points or no?

30 year fixed or 5/1 or 10/1 given current rates?




Hyder bhaai

Mee range ki memu cheppagalamu antaaraa??

Leka Ramudu ki Udatha sahayam chance isthunnaraa??
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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 12:11 pm:       

buying points is NOT worth it,

5/1 or 71/2 or 20-30 yr fixed depends on ur finance flexibility
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 12:09 pm:       

Worth buying points or no?

30 year fixed or 5/1 or 10/1 given current rates?
Don't say you don't have enough time. You have exactly the same number of hours per day that were given to Helen Keller, Pasteur, Michaelangelo, Mother Teresea, Leonardo da Vinci, Thomas Jefferson, and Albert Einstein

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