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Thikka_sankara
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Post Number: 25344 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.174.177.237
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, December 24, 2015 - 09:52 am: |
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Prasanth:..legal process elaa untadho
dommi case ooo accident case kindo close chesestaaru.... Execute cheyyadam kooda almost same lines lo undochhu Perhaps nobody has changed the course of history as much as the historians. ~Franklin P. Jones" |
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Kaisersooze
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Post Number: 13649 Registered: 04-2009
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, December 24, 2015 - 09:42 am: |
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so second year engg kurrolu...first engg kurrola G lo rod petti podisthae...vadini kuda juvenile kinda treat chesi vadileyali...anthaena?? |
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Kaisersooze
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Post Number: 13648 Registered: 04-2009
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, December 24, 2015 - 09:40 am: |
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Ruj:half way through i couldnot get the pt and stopped..it was same rhetoric and sugar coated words without coming to pt..
I agree...asalu vadi point cheppakunda....hez contradicting his statements with the example from US survey..the higher the statistics..the more possibility for passing the bill annatu chepthunadu....you cannot rehabilitate teens with animal insticits..period...you may suppress them for some period..eventually they have to come out... |
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Jujung
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Post Number: 458 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 73.194.117.132
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, December 24, 2015 - 09:14 am: |
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Secondly, he makes a statement that criminal justice system ought to be about reform and not retribution. How does he come to that conclusion? And even if he does, who is he to make that decision when he is not the victim? Can the state make that decision when it is not the victim either? The only ones who suffered due to the crime are the victims of the crime themselves and so only they can decide whether to have retribution or not. The state has a stake only to the extent that the criminal might be a problem for the society in the future and hence needs to catch and prosecute them. So, the state may invest in reforming the criminals, but reformation cannot come until the victims are served the justice. It takes nothing to pardon a criminal who didn't harm us personally. To show it off as if we are major humanitarians is ridiculous and shameful. The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery
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Jujung
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Post Number: 457 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 73.194.117.132
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, December 24, 2015 - 09:04 am: |
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He's talking a lot about going back to primitive ages, shame in front of the world etc etc. He should know that: An estimated 250,000 youth are tried, sentenced, or incarcerated as adults every year across the United States. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_as_an_adult#United_State s In fact it is common in the civilized world to treat certain criminals as adults, even if they are below 18. The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery
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Raman
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Post Number: 40992 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 117.202.185.27
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, December 24, 2015 - 08:06 am: |
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Tharoor gani pulihara asala law is not very strong misuse chese chance asala Ledu gruesome clause match avvalante .. Malli dani meeda disco CH ss |
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Bluelagoon
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Post Number: 5916 Registered: 12-2013 Posted From: 183.82.194.189
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, December 24, 2015 - 03:06 am: |
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14-18 heinous crimes sesthe juvenile gaa treat cheya koodadhu 16-18 annadhi thappu this age lo kids r maturing fast bcos of internet etc etc below 14 ante 7 th or 8 th class rape and murder sese thoughts rarest of rare cases lo thappa thoughts raavu kanee 14 -18 lo we see them happening 14-18 age lo DRIENDS valal influence baaga avutharu |
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Tilak
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Post Number: 35877 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 183.83.48.28
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 11:02 pm: |
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Kindal:annai, andaru mee laga chaduvukoni matured and well mannered ga behave chestaru ani assume cheskuntee ela
chaduvukunna chaduvukokapoina it doesnt matter .. if someone does not behave well mannered and crosses the line to indulge himself/herself in heinous crimes - they need a riot act. And this is what that is. Infact even 16 years is too lenient on the age. Why cant a 14 year old drive a car and kill 10 people and claim to be a juvenile? Why should the families of 10 victims forgive the boy? What sort of society do you want? Where people claiming from one social background have different laws compared to people from another social background? You are clearly siding with people who will do heinous crimes. Kindal:heinous offences are those with minimum punishment of seven years of imprisonment under IPC or any other law
enough .. that is a good definition. Dongatanam ki 7 years imprisonment ledu. AFAIK, only rape and murder carry 7 years in IPC. What is your problem with the law? Rape and murder ni teliyaka chese crimes anukuntunnava? Narendra Modi, Pradhan Mantri, Bharata Ganarajya - www.pmindia.nic.in - www.narendramodi.in |
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Prasanth
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Post Number: 4537 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 59.144.58.37
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 12:23 pm: |
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ee sodhi anthaa enduku kaani....vaadi identity teliste...evaraina lepeste....legal process elaa untadho From Vijayawada, staying in Bangalore |
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Zulu
Megastar Username: Zulu
Post Number: 27521 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 199.168.243.192
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 12:22 pm: |
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tharoor emi cheppado vinaledhu.. but kindal and musularex meeda anavasaram ga viruchupaduthunnaru, atleast what i understood from their point is, dont make an emotional decision in making a law now, which has a serious potential of misuse later.. for example, "Domestic violence bill" intention machide, it was heavily tilted towards women, we see how it being misused everyday. Let us not create such a situation by creating a new law in haste.. |
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Kindal
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Post Number: 3580 Registered: 09-2007 Posted From: 14.139.128.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 12:20 pm: |
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Listen to the anecdote given by Kanimozhi. We are likely to have more such abuses with 16 years provision in JJ bill. https://www.facebook.com/KanimozhiDMKpage/videos/10272485173 10879/ 5 mins after your birth, they decide your name, nationality, religion & sect & you spend rest of ur life defending something u didn't choose. |
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Sachin
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Post Number: 40398 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 208.78.147.194
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 11:55 am: |
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srollu....children ani generalize chesaaadu lafada gaadu.... usa lo survey ani sollokati..mari ade usa lo itta vadili dobbaru juvenile ani... |
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Kindal
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Post Number: 3579 Registered: 09-2007 Posted From: 14.139.128.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 11:43 am: |
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Mental_sachinodu:what makes you think that such cases cannot be filed today? Are you saying will misuse ? Citizens can file any case on anyone today - but that does not mean accused will be punished.
Similarly, irrespective of laws made, those with criminal intent will commit crimes. It's very hard to find a solution that will deter either of them. All these laws are incremental steps towards where we collectively want to be. Are they acts of prudence, rational & justified? I don't know. 5 mins after your birth, they decide your name, nationality, religion & sect & you spend rest of ur life defending something u didn't choose. |
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Mental_sachinodu
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Post Number: 18172 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 209.60.166.146
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 11:34 am: |
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Kindal:Especially when the incidents of teen consensual sex is on raise, we can't say. Also, depends on how the case is framed, it's likely that parents may have edge on this. Extend it to the cases of human trafficking, forced prostitution etc. There are always chances that it can be misinterpreted and misused.
what makes you think that such cases cannot be filed today? Are you saying will misuse ? Citizens can file any case on anyone today - but that does not mean accused will be punished. |
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Kindal
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Post Number: 3577 Registered: 09-2007 Posted From: 14.139.128.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 11:31 am: |
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Mental_sachinodu:to me this is not a point at all. Parents or Families can only lodge complaint and file a case. the determination of the offense is done by the Courts - not the parents. Yes falsified cases can be failed, but falsified judgements - not. this goes back to the lack of knowledge on how judgements are given for a particular case. Btw, even with the current law- whether its three years or 2 years, a false case can be registered - but that does not mean the alleged/accused will get the 2 years sentence.
Especially when the incidents of teen consensual sex is on raise, we can't say. Also, depends on how the case is framed, it's likely that parents may have edge on this. Extend it to the cases of human trafficking, forced prostitution etc. There are always chances that it can be misinterpreted and misused. 5 mins after your birth, they decide your name, nationality, religion & sect & you spend rest of ur life defending something u didn't choose. |
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Nice
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Post Number: 11763 Registered: 05-2009 Posted From: 122.164.217.232
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 11:28 am: |
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Aina ee govt ki siggu lekapothe sari - aadi photo release cheyyaka povatam emiti. Repu vaadu ee area lo unnado teleyadhu, tirigi edanna chesthe evadu responsible |
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Nice
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Post Number: 11762 Registered: 05-2009 Posted From: 122.164.217.232
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 11:27 am: |
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Ee LK muslim aa emiti, Kindal naakestunnadu honey esukuni |
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Nice
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Post Number: 11761 Registered: 05-2009 Posted From: 122.164.217.232
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 11:26 am: |
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Masularex:you better watch your mouth.
antha ledhu meeku. Infants ki laws tevachu ga ani cheppatam meeke chellindhi. Emotions base medha laws teesuku raakudadhu ante henious crimes chesinappudu age chupinchi vadileyyali ane mee lanti vallaki better watch your mouth ani cheppe antha ledhu |
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Nice
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Post Number: 11760 Registered: 05-2009 Posted From: 122.164.217.232
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 11:19 am: |
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Kindal:annai, andaru mee laga chaduvukoni matured and well mannered ga behave chestaru ani assume cheskuntee ela
so what, matured ga think cheyyaledhu ani rape chesi champesina vaadina kuda naakeyyali antara. mee lekka prakaram 10th dhaka chadivina vaadiki oka rule, degree dhaka chadivina vaadiki oka rule, Phd chesina vallaki oka rule set chesthe better kadha |
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Masularex
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Post Number: 6072 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 175.101.68.85
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 11:18 am: |
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Nice: noppi teleyanappudu entha sodhi aina cheppachu. Toddlers chese dhaaniki muddi kindhaki 12-13 age daatina vallaki, ante almost 7th standard daati chadive vaadiki teleyadha rape cheyyatam tappu ani. Pegulu bayataki teeyatam tappu ani. Siggu ledhu LK laki support cheyyataniki. Teliyaka chesevi konni untayi, alanti vi OK. Intha pedha crime chesinappudu kuda age reason chupinchi odileyyali anatam emiti
you better watch your mouth. differing with your views doesn't give you freedom to use obscenities. where did I supported that rapist ? we are just saying don't change laws based on emotions... |
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Mental_sachinodu
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Post Number: 18171 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 209.60.166.146
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 11:16 am: |
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Kindal: the new JJ Act can be misused by families or police to victimise teenage boys and girls for indulging in sexual exploration that is natural for their age. Both rape and kidnapping charges can lead to a seven-year sentence or more.
to me this is not a point at all. Parents or Families can only lodge complaint and file a case. the determination of the offense is done by the Courts - not the parents. Yes falsified cases can be failed, but falsified judgements - not. this goes back to the lack of knowledge on how judgements are given for a particular case. Btw, even with the current law- whether its three years or 2 years, a false case can be registered - but that does not mean the alleged/accused will get the 2 years sentence. |
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Bharat
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Post Number: 865 Registered: 06-2015 Posted From: 24.163.112.87
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 11:16 am: |
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Kindal:who are disadvantaged socio-economically
ayithe rape chestharaa? india lo entha mandhi unnaru aa category lo? vaallu andaru ilaage chesthunnaraa? |
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Kindal
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Post Number: 3576 Registered: 09-2007 Posted From: 14.139.128.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 11:15 am: |
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Nice: noppi teleyanappudu entha sodhi aina cheppachu. Toddlers chese dhaaniki muddi kindhaki 12-13 age daatina vallaki, ante almost 7th standard daati chadive vaadiki teleyadha rape cheyyatam tappu ani. Pegulu bayataki teeyatam tappu ani. Siggu ledhu LK laki support cheyyataniki. Teliyaka chesevi konni untayi, alanti vi OK. Intha pedha crime chesinappudu kuda age reason chupinchi odileyyali anatam emiti
annai, andaru mee laga chaduvukoni matured and well mannered ga behave chestaru ani assume cheskuntee ela There are several people in this country who are disadvantaged socio-economically. Their rights are at stake too. 5 mins after your birth, they decide your name, nationality, religion & sect & you spend rest of ur life defending something u didn't choose. |
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Bharat
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Post Number: 864 Registered: 06-2015 Posted From: 24.163.112.87
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 11:14 am: |
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Nice:almost 7th standard daati chadive vaadiki teleyadha rape cheyyatam tappu ani
Delhi rapist gaadu 17 years 6 months |
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Nice
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Post Number: 11759 Registered: 05-2009 Posted From: 122.164.217.232
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 11:12 am: |
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Masularex:Masularex
noppi teleyanappudu entha sodhi aina cheppachu. Toddlers chese dhaaniki muddi kindhaki 12-13 age daatina vallaki, ante almost 7th standard daati chadive vaadiki teleyadha rape cheyyatam tappu ani. Pegulu bayataki teeyatam tappu ani. Siggu ledhu LK laki support cheyyataniki. Teliyaka chesevi konni untayi, alanti vi OK. Intha pedha crime chesinappudu kuda age reason chupinchi odileyyali anatam emiti |
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Mental_sachinodu
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Post Number: 18170 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 209.60.166.146
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 11:10 am: |
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Thikka_sankara:mentally impaired people won't get subjected to same set of laws right???
that is my point as well. in case of mentally impaired people age does not matter - so inherently mental facility is always a point of contention. Is one 18 year old the same as another 18 year old - is the question? In our country - a 16 year old can join navy "voluntarily", and a 17 year old can join army "voluntarily" - which means you are expecting a teenager to be knowledgeable and mature enough to make a decision, which could put him on the path of death - if his job dictates. The reason I bring this is to show the inconsistency in which age is used to attribute the mental maturity of a person. |
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Kindal
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Post Number: 3574 Registered: 09-2007 Posted From: 14.139.128.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 11:04 am: |
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Ruj:present pass ayina bill tho problem enti?? how it inflicts punishment on ourselves??
Standing Committee evaluated it thoroughly, and criticised and recommended changes on aspects related to juveniles aged 16-18 treated as adults. Check the clauses from 6 to 11 http://www.prsindia.org/uploads/media/Juvenile%20Justice/SC% 20report-%20Juvenile%20justice.pdf this is the major flaw that StandComm has identified. Most of the provisions in this part are written in similar manner. The foremost flaw pointed out was that this provision required JJB to assess whether a child above sixteen years of age who has committed a heinous offence has the physical and mental capability to commit the offence, along with circumstances in which he has committed the offence. In other words, it implies an assumption that the child has already committed the alleged offence. This enquiry in an essence would be a sentencing decision that is arrived at even before the guilt is established. It was emphasized that such an action would denote complete violation of the presumption of innocence, a central tenet of the juvenile justice as well as the criminal justice system. Also, such an arbitrary and irrational procedure clearly contravenes the fundamental guarantees made under Articles 14 and 21 of the Constitution. Another point ", the new JJ Act can be misused by families or police to victimise teenage boys and girls for indulging in sexual exploration that is natural for their age. Both rape and kidnapping charges can lead to a seven-year sentence or more." Many of the criticisms are documented here http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/chan ges-in-juvenile-law-crime-against-kids-say-experts-rajya-sab ha-debate-today/
Ruj:btw existing law already is inflicting pain without providing justice....
The premise through which justice system works is, punish and give another opportunity. the quantum of punishment varies. As a civiised society, we have accepted this method of justice. 5 mins after your birth, they decide your name, nationality, religion & sect & you spend rest of ur life defending something u didn't choose. |
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Bharat
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Post Number: 863 Registered: 06-2015 Posted From: 24.163.112.87
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 11:04 am: |
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intellectual vachaadu paaripondroi..... |
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Masularex
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Post Number: 6070 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 175.101.68.85
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 11:03 am: |
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all weaned children must be treated as adults... once in while you came to hear that some toddler killed someone accidentally. laws are inadequate, there is nothing like accidentally killing a person. just check if there is any hidden motive behind such murders, and there will one. may be bablu knew that his father was usurping his inheritance, fight over a girl or he is just plain greedy and murderous ??? why stop at toddlers, why not also include infants ? these drooling meatballs are known for many crimes (not yet included in the law). one is taking away all the attention of our begums. this is a ridiculously serious crime, in military courts one can be court martialed for stealing the affection of a brother officer's wife. emotionally aggravated civilians should take the cue here and try to include that one in our civil criminal law. rightfully so. this ain't no nursery school battle of wits anymore. we six feet emotionally challenged bunch of nitwits vs you 2 feet dribble and drool, beware we are coming for you ! |
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Bharat
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Post Number: 861 Registered: 06-2015 Posted From: 24.163.112.87
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 10:59 am: |
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18 years ki adult anedhi devudi cheppaadaa? adhi kuda manushulu pettukunna rule...ippudu 16 years ki maaracharu....edho ayipoyindhi ani coloring enduku isthunnaru kondaru....rod petti pegulu bayatiki teesevaadu pillaadaa? |
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Nice
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Post Number: 11758 Registered: 05-2009 Posted From: 122.164.217.232
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 10:53 am: |
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Kindal:law maarchi.. majority of kids ki ibbandi kaliginchee laaga laws ni cheyyamantava?
endhi raa law marchedhi, edho pavitramaina panulu chesevallaki ibbandi kalagachestunattu. ee 18 years kanna takkuva unna kid ki teleyadha pakkavallani rape cheyyakudadhu ani - LK laki kosi kaaram pettali |
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Nice
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Post Number: 11757 Registered: 05-2009 Posted From: 122.164.217.232
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Saint:valla illalo pellalani, daughters ki same treatment juvenile chetha ippisthe appudu telusthundi noppi ante emitoo...
ikkada support chese LK laki ee situation eduraithe telustundhi noppi endho. THOO alanti LK laki support endhi ra. Siggu anipiyyatam ledhu, mee illallo ladies undara |
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Nice
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Post Number: 11756 Registered: 05-2009 Posted From: 122.164.217.232
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Tilak:Senseless arguments by Tharoor. This bill applies for people who commit "heinous crimes" - which may be rape and murder. Rest of the kids under 18 years will still be treated normally - i.e. to be rehabilitate. Shame on Congress to have voted against the bill. But I am not surprised because it is a party that is known for producing rich but senseless and uneducated brats from their partymen's families!
alladhi naakutaru kabatte kindal ki vallante istam |
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Saint
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Post Number: 57310 Registered: 01-2011 Posted From: 144.230.63.54
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 10:47 am: |
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pitcha naa kodukulu ...juvenile endi raa rapes chesi bottles pettavallani...encounter cheyyakunda pedda tappu chesthunnru... tappudu janam mathrame ee bill ni oppose chestharu parliament lo... valla illalo pellalani, daughters ki same treatment juvenile chetha ippisthe appudu telusthundi noppi ante emitoo... |
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Ruj
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Post Number: 18617 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 71.195.55.231
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 10:40 am: |
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Kindal: pakka desam nunchi alantodu okadu vaste, vaadini shikshinchi vadilestee pani ayipodu.. pakka adesanni kooda chedugudu aadali.. through diplomatic, military & economic and kill the source of such tellal acts in India. pakka desam vadu vastadu ani, edo chestadu ani, law maarchi.. majority of kids ki ibbandi kaliginchee laaga laws ni cheyyamantava? It's inflicting punishment on ourselves.
present pass ayina bill tho problem enti?? how it inflicts punishment on ourselves?? btw existing law already is inflicting pain without providing justice.... |
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Kindal
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Post Number: 3573 Registered: 09-2007 Posted From: 14.139.128.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 10:31 am: |
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Thokkalohdi:repu proddunna prakka desham nunchi 17 years 11 months 20 days vadini okadini pampisthar... vachi bombay lo roads meeda kalichinattu kalusthadu..
pakka desam nunchi alantodu okadu vaste, vaadini shikshinchi vadilestee pani ayipodu.. pakka adesanni kooda chedugudu aadali.. through diplomatic, military & economic and kill the source of such tellal acts in India. pakka desam vadu vastadu ani, edo chestadu ani, law maarchi.. majority of kids ki ibbandi kaliginchee laaga laws ni cheyyamantava? It's inflicting punishment on ourselves. 5 mins after your birth, they decide your name, nationality, religion & sect & you spend rest of ur life defending something u didn't choose. |
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Kindal
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Post Number: 3572 Registered: 09-2007 Posted From: 14.139.128.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 10:28 am: |
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the more I dig through I understand that the bill is more vaguely written and passed. heinous offences are those with minimum punishment of seven years of imprisonment under IPC or any other law serious offences are three to seven years of imprisonment as per IPC Juveniles in the age group of 16-18 years may be tried as adults in certain cases. Any person who is between the ages of 16-18 years and has committed a heinous offence may be tried as an adult, irrespective of date of apprehension. Also, a juvenile between 16-18 years of age who has committed a serious offence and apprehended after the age of 21 years, may be tried as an adult. >> In case of heinous offences, if a juvenile is apprehended before 21 years of age the JJB will conduct a preliminary inquiry. This will determine his mental/physical capacity to commit an offence and an understanding of its consequences. The JJB will then pass an order that recommends: (i) interventions like counseling or community service; (ii) staying at an observation home for a temporary or long-term period; or (iii) refer the juvenile to a Children’s Court to determine whether to try him as an adult What is evaluation of mental capacity? What if the Juvenile acts as mentally retard? Would that serve the justice? 5 mins after your birth, they decide your name, nationality, religion & sect & you spend rest of ur life defending something u didn't choose. |
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Kindal
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Post Number: 3571 Registered: 09-2007 Posted From: 14.139.128.20
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Diviseema:every argument have its own flaws. but at one point we must forget thinking complicated and think simple and plain. dont think too much about how to repair the spoiled child . 1st think about what is the justice we r doing for victim and family. lectures like will he change if we punish must be kept aside and punish for the sake of already punished without any fault of his. most important think no one considers is the justice done to victim . my solution for the problem is a child commits a crime . courts must come up with maximum and minimum punishment and leave it to victims family to decide what he must undergo.
justice needs to be served. that requires good work in preparing the laws. weak bills that are passed like JJ bill create more damage to the convicts who are involved in lesser intense crimes. that's the crux of the debate on the JJ bill. Check these 2 points >> The Bill permits juveniles between the ages of 16-18 years to be tried as adults for heinous offences. Also, any 16-18 year old, who commits a lesser, i.e., serious offence, may be tried as an adult only if he is apprehended after the age of 21 years. >> Juvenile Justice Boards (JJB) and Child Welfare Committees (CWC) will be constituted in each district. The JJB will conduct a preliminary inquiry to determine whether a juvenile offender is to be sent for rehabilitation or be tried as an adult. The CWC will determine institutional care for children in need of care and protection. Lastly, even Standing Committee has criticised the bill, why ani evaru adagaru, blind ga oka 2-3 examples cite chesi criticise chestaru.. The Standing Committee examining the Bill observed that the Bill was based on misleading data regarding juvenile crimes and violated certain provisions of the Constitution. 5 mins after your birth, they decide your name, nationality, religion & sect & you spend rest of ur life defending something u didn't choose. |
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Post Number: 18616 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 71.195.55.231
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Kindal:video susava? hE GAVE inputs 16 year old henious crime commit cheste 20 years jail shiksha.. that too in a jail where adults are imprisoned. meeru anukuntunnattu hanging emi ledu ikkada. 20 years taravata? allow him into the society? This punishment is against child rights provisions in Constitution, the same bill introduced by Menaka in 2000, and the international conventions. He suggested to put them in jail for 6-7 years and provide facilities to reform. The henious crimes are committed by juveniles are 0.02%, and the bill is poorly drafted and is likely to be misused in a wider scale threatening the reformation of other convicted children.
video full choodaledu..half way through i couldnot get the pt and stopped..it was same rhetoric and sugar coated words without coming to pt.. and based on ur post his input suckss...y 6-7 yrs?? on what basis? just because he wants to say something diff to current bill?? and current bill says henous crimes right..am i missing something?? |
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Kindal
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Post Number: 3570 Registered: 09-2007 Posted From: 14.139.128.20
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Ruj:adhi marusthunte ee tharoor gadi sodhi enti??? instead he should have given some inputs on how can we make this bill better and tough..
video susava? hE GAVE inputs 16 year old henious crime commit cheste 20 years jail shiksha.. that too in a jail where adults are imprisoned. meeru anukuntunnattu hanging emi ledu ikkada. 20 years taravata? allow him into the society? This punishment is against child rights provisions in Constitution, the same bill introduced by Menaka in 2000, and the international conventions. He suggested to put them in jail for 6-7 years and provide facilities to reform. The henious crimes are committed by juveniles are 0.02%, and the bill is poorly drafted and is likely to be misused in a wider scale threatening the reformation of other convicted children. 5 mins after your birth, they decide your name, nationality, religion & sect & you spend rest of ur life defending something u didn't choose. |
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Mental_sachinodu: At what point does a human become an adult? If a personal is not of sound mental health will he still be an adult at a proscribed age
mentally impaired people won't get subjected to same set of laws right??? Perhaps nobody has changed the course of history as much as the historians. ~Franklin P. Jones" |
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Kindal
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Post Number: 3569 Registered: 09-2007 Posted From: 14.139.128.20
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http://m.firstpost.com/india/delhi-gangrape-juvenile-wasnt-m ost-brutal-he-was-brutalised-by-such-a-depiction-says-board- 2553184.html 5 mins after your birth, they decide your name, nationality, religion & sect & you spend rest of ur life defending something u didn't choose. |
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Tharoor gaadu kooda wife ni mudder lo unnadu kadhaa andukay oppojing anifistandi |
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Ruj
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Post Number: 18615 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 71.195.55.231
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UK lo iddar 10 yr olds...oka 2 yr old abbayini mall lo vala mother divert ayinapudu dari tappinchi teesukelipoyar.. isolated areaki aa 2 yr old ni kottukuntu teesukelli, rod lu esi baadhi,, kallaloki paint posi, railyway track meedha goyi teesi pathi pettar..this was done by 10yr olds.. valu kids kabatti 10yr jail lo etti aa taruavtha release chesi inkoka 10yrs they had to report to police everyday..they were under govts watchful eye..inspute of that there was a huge public outcry... mana kaada emo eedini 3 elalo odili dobaru.. adhi marusthunte ee tharoor gadi sodhi enti??? instead he should have given some inputs on how can we make this bill better and tough.. |
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Ruj
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Post Number: 18614 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 71.195.55.231
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Telugu_times:jail lo,vaadu radicalized anta, as per some reports kashmir elli pothaadu
asal adini uri esi dgalsindhi..dikkumalina law system ni addu pettukuni bayata paddadu.. ippatiki minchi poyindhi ledu..aa 16-18 clause peekesi it should be made for all teenagers..times r changing.. ee tharor lantolu sodhi cheppamante roju chebuthr..does he have one constructiveinput on this case?? |
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Ruj:anyways that juvenile is out now..sry nirbhaya
jail lo,vaadu radicalized anta, as per some reports kashmir elli pothaadu Ignore spam. |
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Ruj
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i think this speech was made many months back and the current bill addresses only henious crimes like rape and murder..he is refering to something which is more generic... and secondly he makes it sound as if punishing anyone below 18 is unthoughtful and stresses on 'children' repeatedly..that 18 cut off is completely debatable..many countries moved away from that 18 cut off already..tharoor is stuck in his old congress way of thinking.... one thing i agree with tharoor though. that govt made an impulsive decision and proposed the age limit to be 16-18....but i dont agree with him on what the outcome should be..i say the age bracket should go beyond 16-18..what if tomorrow 15yr old does the same,what will we do? let him go in 2yrs? is 2 yrs enough for rehabilitation?? juvenile crimes r on rise in india ani telisina vishayame..so repu 14 or 15 yr old ila cheste malli mana system alane chebutundhi,..odileyandi..oorike law marusthe we are akbar birbal etc antu sava dobbs.. there should have been a clause for teenagers doing heinous crimes, an approval process on how to deal with such situations..edho nirbhaya caselo frustrate ayina janalani pacify cheyataniki 16-18 set chesar.. when ur making changes to the law y shouldnt u think of a more stable law thats good for everyone not merely a bandage addressing current situation???..may be considering how our parliament functions, its tough to go beyond what we have now..anduke hadavidi ga pass chesi dobbinattu unnar.. and then he goes on to quote american crime rates..and how 80% of juveniles do repeated offenses after they are out..firstly US has max no of people in jails in the entire world..it doesnt matter in US juvenile or adult once they r in jail, they r bound to do repeated offense after they r out..its a known concern....that is the reason in cases like rapes murder etc they make sure such a person doesnot come out..they jail them 50+ yrs by putting multiple life sentences.. anyways that juvenile is out now..sry nirbhaya i wish someone kills that fcker.. |
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Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 09:13 am: |
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repu proddunna prakka desham nunchi 17 years 11 months 20 days vadini okadini pampisthar... vachi bombay lo roads meeda kalichinattu kalusthadu... policelu kastapadi vadini pattukuntaru... appudu meeru swary.. he is a minor.. so veedu chesindi pedda thappu kaadu... veedini vadi desam pampinchandiii antava??? nonsense... nirbhaya ni veedu iron rod ni sensitive parts lopaliki forceful ga doorchi champesadu... e DB lo katthi petti cheyyi cut chesukuntey hadavidi chesey batch... ilanti vadiki punishment lekunda vadilesthara? sarey punishment pakkana pettandi.... meeku G lo dammu untey ee "reformed" vadini techi mee illallo or me apartments lo pettukondi chustha.... bongu lo congress defense... law clear cut ga henious crimes ani undi.... danini oppose cheyyatam is the worst thing. Ranbir Kapoor is god of acting |
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Age is an arbitrary thing to make it a focal point in any decision making. I feel it is a remnant of not so evolved understanding of human nature in general. At what point does a human become an adult? If a personal is not of sound mental health will he still be an adult at a proscribed age? If he is not, does age really matter? I am all for giving youngsters a chance - but i feel age is something very arbitrary to make such decisions on. |
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Diviseema
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Thikka_sankara:do you think victim family will choose lesser punishment???
sometimes may be. Divi is Small OT - Gold. DB Janma Danyam |
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Jail lo undaalsina vaadu Ignore spam. |
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Thikka_sankara
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Diviseema:victims family to decide what he must undergo
do you think victim family will choose lesser punishment??? Perhaps nobody has changed the course of history as much as the historians. ~Franklin P. Jones" |
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Diviseema
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kindal baa , he says US studies day 80% of children released from jail commit more serious offence. and he is asking what this is proposing to do. to make children criminals ???? what i am asking is . what he is propose. 1. not to arrest any child. 2. not to release any child arrested 3. Kil the child 4. he will commit lesser crime if released in 5 years rather 10 years . what is his argument. every argument have its own flaws. but at one point we must forget thinking complicated and think simple and plain. dont think too much about how to repair the spoiled child . 1st think about what is the justice we r doing for victim and family. lectures like will he change if we punish must be kept aside and punish for the sake of already punished without any fault of his. most important think no one considers is the justice done to victim . my solution for the problem is a child commits a crime . courts must come up with maximum and minimum punishment and leave it to victims family to decide what he must undergo. Divi is Small OT - Gold. DB Janma Danyam |
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revenge ani chaduvukondi. Divi is Small OT - Gold. DB Janma Danyam |
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Diviseema
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revenga on children ...
 Divi is Small OT - Gold. DB Janma Danyam |
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Thokkalohdi
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Edey pedda crime chesadu... Eedu criminals ki support. Congress = criminals party. Vallaki against ga bill vasthey chinchi cheta chestharu Ranbir Kapoor is god of acting |
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Kindal:as usual, topic diversion tactics
he asked about it..he is not supported of bjp to divert it...if tilak, tikka_sankara asks like this...u asking is right From Vijayawada, staying in Bangalore |
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Kindal:
thamari thadike, children should not be treated as adults anta, ppl who are aware how to inflict sweeping injuries and could be that cruel are not children they are psycho's and shud be treated equally as the other criminals. children anta adults anta vp na ko rape sesi savathenkeyvadu child endi. ban Krishna_jilla for being a TT |
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Senseless arguments by Tharoor. This bill applies for people who commit "heinous crimes" - which may be rape and murder. Rest of the kids under 18 years will still be treated normally - i.e. to be rehabilitate. Shame on Congress to have voted against the bill. But I am not surprised because it is a party that is known for producing rich but senseless and uneducated brats from their partymen's families! Tharoor ga .. Sunanda case entha daaka vachindi? Narendra Modi, Pradhan Mantri, Bharata Ganarajya - www.pmindia.nic.in - www.narendramodi.in |
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Jai_ycp:Intaki ee wife killer gadini inka mooyaledha?
as usual, topic diversion tactics  5 mins after your birth, they decide your name, nationality, religion & sect & you spend rest of ur life defending something u didn't choose. |
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Intaki ee wife killer gadini inka mooyaledha? the story of YCP and TDP in 2014 (AP)- http://goo.gl/zgrYmQ http://goo.gl/gn6XL5 the story of TDP in 2014 (T) - http://goo.gl/nyu1Wu |
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Kindal
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Post Number: 3566 Registered: 09-2007 Posted From: 14.139.128.20
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Ripped off the faults in JJ Bill. https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153002171473167 5 mins after your birth, they decide your name, nationality, religion & sect & you spend rest of ur life defending something u didn't choose. |