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Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2015 - 09:02 am:       


Rocketk2:




if you have choice to invest in better investments i would say blocking money in 401k is blunder
 

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Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2015 - 08:51 am:       


Emc2:

Bokest thing about 401k is they say it is pre tax money

But ultimately when you with draw you have to pay taxes


it is not tax free. It gives ability to defer tax and in progressive taxation that can help you minimize taxes. For ex: if we earn 100k we will be in 24% tax bracket. By taking away 18k and deferring it to after 65 when you will have no(or less) income, you can bring back that 18k in a lesser tax bracket.

When employer matches, you should take it. That part is no-brainer to leave money on table. Rest depends on ones personal situation . For most cases, putting in 401k without match will be beneficial but I would say max it only after your debts are paid off and have some cash (enough to run for 3 months without salary) on hand .
One additional advantage is that it imposes discipline investing.
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 11:02 pm:       


Mahiz:

what happens , when something unfortunate happens to us , can we nominate our parents in India as beneficiaries




If married ur wife will be automatic beneficiary. If u want to nominate someone other than sposuse, he/she need to agreee
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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 09:17 pm:       

Bokest thing about 401k is they say it is pre tax money

But ultimately when you with draw you have to pay taxes

Lol
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 08:40 pm:       


Ckp:

401K is no brainer. Alwya put money in 401K even if the company does not match or contribute...




401k antene dollar cost averaging strategy kadha

https://www.mutualfundstore.com/dollar-cost-averaging

nobrainer ante elAGO enlighten us
" Do not think inside the box, Do not think outside the box, Think like there is no box. " - Unknownanda
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 08:05 pm:       

It does not matter where you go...your money will be given to you wherever you are....Make sure your account is updated with the current address every time you move...
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 08:02 pm:       

401K is no brainer. Alwya put money in 401K even if the company does not match or contribute...

It is pre tax money so the difference in pay check is very less....

You can take loan against it..

It is your retirement money..when you retire ..you do not have to depend on others....

If you do not want to take risk investing, you can always put the 401K money in money market....

You can open an IRA account and put money there...you can trade instead of other company managing it....

When you move between company's, you can transfer the 401K money to the new company Plan...

401K is no brainer...always contribute...
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 07:58 pm:       

Bump.. For my question
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 04:44 pm:       


Sachin:



mana koche 80-100K etla manage cheyalo telidu kaani, bab state ni etalnadapalo mathram
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 04:42 pm:       

what happens , when something unfortunate happens to us , can we nominate our parents in India as beneficiaries
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 04:34 pm:       


Brighton:

evadoo fake untadu emplaoyer..nuvvu enta veste employer same veyyali.. adu rule.


This is so busss

My employer matches 50% up to 7% of my amount
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 04:31 pm:       

manamu india vellipothe 3/4 years contribute chesi ... aa tharuvatha position enti
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 04:15 pm:       

401k, 403b, 457... All work pretty much the same way.
1. Contribute with pre-tax dollars upto $18k this year. Your employer may or may not match. If they do, then you have no reason not to contribute.
2. You can withdraw the money the year you turn 59.5. You will pay tax on the you will withdraw. You can withdraw before 59.5, but will need to pay both tax and 10% penalty. You may avoid the penalty, if you can show financial hardship.
3. You can borrow from the account upto 50k or 50% of the balance, whichever is less. The principal and interest both go back into your 401k
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 03:58 pm:       


Tombrady:


vuncle eti ee bad advice ikkada fekaku


I took out some funds when needed. Half the money ki loan laaga theesukochu. But you pay for it monthly and it goes to your 401k only.

But total amount theesukune option kuda undi for which you pay taxes and other fees.

Transamerica lo chepthunna.
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 03:56 pm:       


Kuyyo_morro:

aa funds retire ayinaka vasthayi. Losses tho theesukunte you can cash out but lot of paper work and pay taxes.




vuncle eti ee bad advice ikkada fekaku
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 03:55 pm:       


Sachin:

lets say 5 years pani chesi india jump ayipoyaaam...apudu emayidddi


aa funds retire ayinaka vasthayi. Losses tho theesukunte you can cash out but lot of paper work and pay taxes.
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 03:54 pm:       


Sachin:

lets say 5 years pani chesi india jump ayipoyaaam...apudu emayidddi




pukat lo company vodu isthunte ..account opening seyyadame..lekunte..moosukoni vere daari soosukovali..

naaku pukat ki teesukone adrushtam tagalaledu eppudu..Sony/HD/Jalsa kurrol FTEs kabatti..discofying
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 03:51 pm:       


Sony:

emaina kituku unte cheppu




6 + 4.5 = 10.5 , still less than 6 anaata how did you loose 45% on your investment ?
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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 03:51 pm:       


Sony:

401k lo 6% kante takkuva ostundi uncle i am putting 6% and my company 4.5% ayina kaani less than 6% ante ento ardham avatam ledu



6% kante takkuva returns antunaava ?
ee year anni funds padukunnayi gaa in terms of return
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 03:50 pm:       

lets say 5 years pani chesi india jump ayipoyaaam...apudu emayidddi
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 03:49 pm:       


Alochinchu:

ROTH IRA and ROTH 401(k) are different.. latter is employer based..




http://www.obliviousinvestor.com/roth-401k-distribution-rule s/

bhaiya naa link Roth kaa not IRA related
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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 03:44 pm:       


Humpty_dumpty:

end of the day big shots vachi tuooch 10-12% returns aa...2 rs vaddiki tippukunna boledu vasthaayi antaaru


401k lo 6% kante takkuva ostundi uncle i am putting 6% and my company 4.5% ayina kaani less than 6% ante ento ardham avatam ledu

emaina kituku unte cheppu
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 03:40 pm:       

jal
death and taxes are unavoidable ani oka great person seppio

which age annadhi important
post retirement lo if 401k withdrawls are your major income you will ned up paying way less tax than you would on that extra money in this age
i have heard many cases where ppl withdrew money 401k in the year(s) after they did rti to india...your income is less and if emp contributions are fully vested then good thing
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 03:36 pm:       


Kukatpally:

ee 2 rs lolli yendi...


db lo 401k, ira , CDs, etc lanti low risk investments saala discos jarigaayi

end of the day big shots vachi tuooch 10-12% returns aa...2 rs vaddiki tippukunna boledu vasthaayi antaaru
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 03:20 pm:       


Xxx:




ROTH IRA and ROTH 401(k) are different.. latter is employer based..
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 03:14 pm:       


Jalsa:

ut dheni meedha tax anedhi doub.t..




Regular 401k , you don't pay taxes now ;

You can save 18k , for example you have 100k salary , you will pay taxes on 82k only this year ,

At the time of retirement , you will pay the taxes on whole , for example you have 500k , but you will with draw only 50k in that particualr year after retirement , so you will pay less taxes , may be at 20%

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Second example , Roth 401k , You pay the taxes now , and the withdrawl is tax free at retirement
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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 03:08 pm:       


Humpty_dumpty:

2 rs interest is better ani lekkalu vesthay inka yemi seyyalemu




ee 2 rs lolli yendi...

yedo sillar sillar karchulu cheyyakunda oka 100-200 side chedam ani adigina.. ee rotha ira meeda research chesta

last week insurance meeda chesa... oka idea vasindi... next week or so lo finalize cheyyali
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 03:08 pm:       


Alochinchu:

ROTH is after tax contribution.. you can always take your contribution out but not the earnings..




http://www.obliviousinvestor.com/roth-401k-distribution-rule s/
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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 03:07 pm:       


Jalsa:

1 million save chestey, when we need that amount, we have to get it transferred to our bank accounts. At that time, tax rate, say 35% estaaranamaata......




Your contribution and earnings on it are all taxed.. why take all amount one time.. it is not even allowed without penalty.. you can and should take the amount as you need..
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 03:04 pm:       


Emc2:

after retirement age no penalty but you have to pay tax



adhi telisindhi but dheni meedha tax anedhi doub.t..naa prev post choodu
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 03:04 pm:       


Jalsa:


1 mil save chesthe mittham oke saari enduku withdraw chesthaav
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 03:02 pm:       


Jalsa:




early withdraw ayithe penalty and tax kuda kattali

after retirement age no penalty but you have to pay tax
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 03:00 pm:       


Kukatpally:

uncle employer yem ivvadu manam yedoti plan cheyyocha... detailed ga option yettu


roth IRA
but it is not pretax like 401k
it has its own advantages...income limit untaadhi...

"Direct contributions to a Roth IRA (principal) may be withdrawn tax and penalty-free at any time.[3] Earnings may be withdrawn tax and penalty-free after 5 years if the condition of age 59½ (or other qualifying condition) is also met. "

http://www.rothira.com/roth-ira-limits
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roth_IRA#Contribution_limits

best for self managing retirement account when 401k is not available

end of the day DB lo kurchuni 2 rs interest is better ani lekkalu vesthay inka yemi seyyalemu
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:58 pm:       

401k% is pre tax money for your retirement,

employer may contribute may not, there is a limit how much you can contribute to your 401k every year, this will changes based on IRS

same with IRA's

there is early with drwaing penalty plus tax, there is no penalty or tax after 58 yrs(check age limit)

you can use your IRA's and 401k's for you home purchace and investments, there is separate process for it

there is roth IRS's where you can direct fund into it and withdraw based on you income every year with out penaly and tax

you can open your own IRS along with 401k's
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:57 pm:       


Alochinchu:

appudu nee income + withdraw amount entha ayithe antha with the tax bracket at that time..



1 million save chestey, when we need that amount, we have to get it transferred to our bank accounts. At that time, tax rate, say 35% estaaranamaata......
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:55 pm:       


Brighton:

maavaadu 7% pedite 75% match chestadata.




super match..
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:55 pm:       


Jalsa:

let's say we save 1 million by that time....after retiring aa amount manam invest chesina vatillonunchi tesesaka entha amount paina tax kattaali? is it on the income or total amount?


motthaniki tax kattali, I am 99% sure, unless they changed anything in the last few years.

RothIRA ayite, you don't pay tax on your gains.
 

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Brighton:

evadoo fake untadu emplaoyer..nuvvu enta veste employer same veyyali..adi rule




 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:54 pm:       


Jalsa:

after retiremement withdraw ayetappudu entha tax % charge avuthundhi?




appudu nee income + withdraw amount entha ayithe antha with the tax bracket at that time..
 

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Brighton:

maavaadu 7% pedite 75% match chestadata...


so nee 7% ki vaadu 5.25% add chesthadu, not bad. Its actually good.
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:53 pm:       


Thelegend:

aa age lo, aa time lo tax lekkalu entha unte antha. Nothing extra



let's say we save 1 million by that time....after retiring aa amount manam invest chesina vatillonunchi tesesaka entha amount paina tax kattaali? is it on the income or total amount?
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:53 pm:       


Cinejeevi:

year full gaa nakesindi returns on 401




not just one year , it is to been seen as an average of many years ..
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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:52 pm:       

maavaadu 7% pedite 75% match chestadata...7 + entapettina vadem ivvadata.. ippude rule book chusa..appatlo HR pilla vayyaramga cheptunte, pillani chustu pattinchukola,100% match chestademo ani fix ayya appatinundi
 

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Cinejeevi:

e year full gaa nakesindi returns on 401




it is for every one.. it's ok .. as long we are still contributing it will balance little..
 

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Jalsa:

after retiremement withdraw ayetappudu entha tax % charge avuthundhi?


aa age lo, aa time lo tax lekkalu entha unte antha. Nothing extra
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:51 pm:       


Xxx:

roth




ROTH is after tax contribution.. you can always take your contribution out but not the earnings..
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:50 pm:       

ee year full gaa nakesindi returns on 401 :-(:-(:-(
shoko naashayate dhairyam shoko naashayate shrutam
shoko naashayate sarvam na asti shoka samaH ripuH
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:50 pm:       

after retiremement withdraw ayetappudu entha tax % charge avuthundhi?
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:49 pm:       


Alochinchu:

you can always take out your contribution any time with out penalty..




There is always a penalty if you take funds before 59 1/2 in 401k, roth or regular doesnot matter
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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:49 pm:       

401k is the best thing u will ever do for your financials..dot
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:48 pm:       


Sachin:


i am assuming mee company vaadu 50% match upto 6% or 100% match upto 3% ayyi untundi. Company match chese amount varaku ainaa 401k lo toseyyi extra pettakapoinaa. Company match chese money enduku vadulkovadam.
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:48 pm:       


Sony:

s contributing 10% then only 3% ante mataku 401k lo pette kante Funds lo pettukovadam better




If you invest 10K, employer is paying you 3K , i.e 30 % return , where can you get in else where ? Not possible

Also most of the case , for the first 3% employer will match 2 % and for next 2% employer will match 1% , type rules vuntee ,
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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:48 pm:       


Kukatpally:

uncle employer yem ivvadu manam yedoti plan cheyyocha... detailed ga option yettu




then go for ROTH IRA.. it is after tax money but you do not have to pay tax on earnings and also you can always take out your contribution any time with out penalty..
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:45 pm:       


Brighton:

avunata ippude kanukkunna... swary



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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:44 pm:       


Idiot1:

nuvvu entha vesthe antha match cheyyali ani rule ledu nataraja




avunata ippude kanukkunna... swary
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:44 pm:       


Sony:




uncle employer yem ivvadu manam yedoti plan cheyyocha... detailed ga option yettu
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:43 pm:       


Brighton:


nuvvu entha vesthe antha match cheyyali ani rule ledu nataraja. Adi employer iche benigit. Vaadu kavlsi vachinattu match cheyyichu
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:41 pm:       


Sachin:

1) asalu avasaramaaa? deeni valla use endi?

Free money , let us say you have 100k , you get 3% match from employer , straight away , you loose 3000 per year
2) lets say aa money stocks/bond lo ettaaru....market dhamal ante paristhithi endi?

It is always a risk/reward .. you can check in your options , where there may be an option to put in bonds or something else. But you should risk some money in stocks and in mutual funds the chance of losing all the money over a period of time is very less
3) withdrawal appudu elagu tax kattali antunnaaaru...so adi epudu kadithe diff endi

There are options here again, If you put it in ROTH 401k, you pay the tax now and you don't have to pay the tax on the gains in future . Else regular 401k, you don't pay taxes now , and your fund will grow over time , i.e you invest more money and at the end you will get more returns , you will end up paying the tax in the end though
4) retirement ki munde manam theeskovalante entha fine padudddi...

You have to pay the tax differences and may be some penalty , 10% I guess
5) manam employer maarinaaa mana 401k account alage untadaaa?



Yes, you can just keep it there or roll over
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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:38 pm:       

Naa salary $100 Ayotte, nenu $15 401k lo pedathaaa. Company will give $3.

So, aa $18 401k lo invest chesthe, long term lo min 10% guarantee
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:38 pm:       


Brighton:

evadoo fake untadu emplaoyer..nuvvu enta veste employer same veyyali.. adu rule




anta ledu.. Maybe silicon valley lo 10% istaremo. Lot of companies match up to only a maximum 3%. If you are senior employee in that company (>10 yrs etc), they usually increase upto 5%. This is very normal scenario in large number of companies..
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:35 pm:       

1) asalu avasaramaaa? deeni valla use endi? - na understanding idi.. I maybe wrong, so ask others too..

lets say you are earning $100k pa now. You will end up paying somewhere around 20-25% tax on $100k (assuming filing single with no dependents). Now if you move 15% of $100k into 401k, you will only pay 20% tax on the remaning $85k. You are not paying 20-25% tax on the remaining $15k. After your retirement, when you start withdrawing money from your 401k account, tax rate will be based on how much you withdraw. If you withdraw the same $15k you saved earlier, then you will pay less tax compared to what you would've paid otherwise. Ofcourse, this is assuming tax rates won't change in all those years.

2) lets say aa money stocks/bond lo ettaaru....market dhamal ante paristhithi endi? very much possible and you will end up losing lot of money. Infact during 2008 recession, lot of people's 401k went from >1M to < 200k overnight. They were past their earning age and suddenly left with next to no savings. That is why lot of people manage their 401k themselves. When you are <40yrs, you can invest in riskier options like stocks etc, and when you are getting closer to retirement age, move your investments to safer options like bonds. Portfolio nu manage chesukovali according to your needs and expectations.

3) withdrawal appudu elagu tax kattali antunnaaaru...so adi epudu kadithe diff endi as I said above, your tax percentage will differ because your net annual income won't be same.

4) retirement ki munde manam theeskovalante entha fine padudddi... I'm not sure aboue complete withdrawal but I think you can take up to 50% of the balance as loan. Interesting thing is, the interest you pay to the loan goes back into your 401k account. It's like you are taking loan from your future self and paying interest to your future self.

5) manam employer maarinaaa mana 401k account alage untadaaa? yes}
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:35 pm:       

Last several years average theesukunte, 401k meeda 10% minimum returns
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:34 pm:       

TCS/CTS lanti vaalu manam entha contribution chesina they match only upto 3%

Clients match full between 3 to 6% aa taravatha 50% of what you contribute

and kinda ichina scenario lo if the employee is contributing 10% then only 3% ante mataku 401k lo pette kante Funds lo pettukovadam better
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:32 pm:       

EMployer same veyyali ani rule ledhu. Some employers contribute 50% upto 6% or 8% of your contribution. Some do 25%, some do nothing.

10% ki 3% ante, may be 50% up to 6% avvochhu. or 100% upto 3% avochhu. Once the max is reached, they don't match, but, you can contribute more if you want
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:31 pm:       


Brighton:

evadoo fake untadu emplaoyer..nuvvu enta veste employer same veyyali.. adu rule...better to put 7% to get the best results...


ekkaudindhii ee rule... sometimes i heard 6% ivvadam.. common thing vachhi 3% ee kadha 401K..
YSR AMAR RAHE
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:30 pm:       


Sachin:

recession type vasthe meeru mathram em sethaaaru




in the act of God laa alanti vaatito manam em cheyyalem...
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:30 pm:       

1. EMployer contribution unnapudu, dont miss the opportunity, YES, do it. Why lose free money?

2. Market dhaman, mana money kooda dhamaal, That's why spread across multiple. You can play safe or aggresive.

3. Tax bracket ippude veru 60+ appudu veru, so tax wise kooda manchide mostly.

4. usually ~ 10% penalty. But, you can use college tuition, some kind of bills etc without penalty ?!? not sure detials

5. Yes, alaage untadi, you can move it and consolidate also
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:29 pm:       

401k is long term, its tax saving for long term and you dont have to pay any tax after 55 yrs age
.those who are serious about their watches display them prominently, those who are more concerned with style and branding present you with aircraft carriers and hide their watches.
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:28 pm:       


Brighton:

andukee maa company lanti manchi industry experts in analysts manage chese party ni chusukovali...




recession type vasthe meeru mathram em sethaaaru :D
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:27 pm:       


Sachin:

manam 10% vesthe emoployer 3% match chestha ani anadanta




evadoo fake untadu emplaoyer..nuvvu enta veste employer same veyyali.. adu rule...better to put 7% to get the best results...
2) lets say aa money stocks/bond lo ettaaru....market dhamal ante paristhithi endi? -- andukee maa company lanti manchi industry experts in analysts manage chese party ni chusukovali...

5) manam employer maarinaaa mana 401k account alage untadaaa? -- yes transfer facility undi ga
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:26 pm:       


Sachin:




simple logic 10% ki employer 3% istunaadu.. ante you have threshold of losing upto 25% to be safe..
 

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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 02:23 pm:       

ok. manam kontha % pre tax amount indulo vesthe ..employer kontha % varaku match chesthaaadu.....deenni evado third party vaaadu manage chesthaaadu like buying bonds etc.... manam 10% vesthe emoployer 3% match chestha ani anadanta friend ki

1) asalu avasaramaaa? deeni valla use endi?
2) lets say aa money stocks/bond lo ettaaru....market dhamal ante paristhithi endi?
3) withdrawal appudu elagu tax kattali antunnaaaru...so adi epudu kadithe diff endi
4) retirement ki munde manam theeskovalante entha fine padudddi...
5) manam employer maarinaaa mana 401k account alage untadaaa?

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