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     Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9787 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 98.201.144.116 Rating: N/A |
Thammi how are you? Howz family? I am doing ok. Enough evolutionary pressure can certainly engineer the brain. But nature has to see the utility of any change for the survival of the species. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 16566 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 107.77.80.22 Rating: N/A |
Hmm - but what is interesting is the plasticity of the parts of the brain ... Can it learn to process new senses is conjecture-maybe in the process of evolution some senses got suppressed and others enhanced..we'll have to wait and see what comes out of this branch  The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Jalsa Legend Username: Jalsa Post Number: 30927 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 69.126.211.48 Rating: N/A |
mastaaru h r u? long time no see? Only when the tide goes out do you discover who's been swimming naked - Warren Buffett | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9786 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 98.201.144.116 Rating: N/A |
This again is the case of substitution rather than processing novel signals. Genetically brain is programmed to process auditory, optic and other regular signals. If there are any birth defects in one system, one module might compensate for the others. But the bigger question is, can the brain process signals that are not genetically programmed- for examples the signals of UV rays? This is the 'addition' or creation of new senses part. Evolutionarily we never needed to process UV rays, so we lack genetic infrastructure. But cats on the other hand are predators, and require acute senses and thus they are programmed as such. @Guri, now in the transitioning phase. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 16565 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.179.190.228 Rating: N/A |
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/10/101006131203.ht m
Only thing I can claim credit for is convincing him to double major in Comp Sci Honors with the math when he was interested in..nenu AI is so interesting ante he brushed me off But UT Austin is an excellent AI research school and he got to join the research as a freshman kindling the interest..he's getting to do fun stuff - hope he finds an opportunity to continue working in the field ...
Did not know this Are you still working in the field ?The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Guriginja Megastar Username: Guriginja Post Number: 29147 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 24.197.173.3 Rating: N/A |
doinggood bedar..how r u? practicing or still in research? JOHAR YSR.....YSR AMAR RAHE | ||
| Guriginja Megastar Username: Guriginja Post Number: 29146 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 24.197.173.3 Rating: N/A |
missed to post...very good to hear about ur project...u r the one who kindled that interest in ur son ani kanapaduthundhi.....all the best to him. JOHAR YSR.....YSR AMAR RAHE | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9785 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 98.201.144.116 Rating: N/A |
Did they actually demonstrate this in humans? Love to read more on this. Its more of substitution than increasing. Too much input can be taxing on brain - that was my point. Yes, I was referring to any experiment that associates UV rays to brain cells directly. Agree with the later part of your post. How are you btw? | ||
| Sesani Hero Username: Sesani Post Number: 18733 Registered: 08-2014 Posted From: 170.200.144.4 Rating: N/A |
Thread mottam sadavaledu... but DB sense annadi okkati develop ayyindi naaku.. okka saari conversation la 'Aada ladies' ante friends chesina kindal inka marchipolenu... | ||
| Guriginja Megastar Username: Guriginja Post Number: 29145 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 24.197.173.3 Rating: N/A |
just another point andi..brain gets confused a lot..oka pathway lo vacche signal ni okela intrpret chesthundhi..even though it is not because of that particular sense.....kanti meedha yevadanna kottadanukondi...kallu bairlu kammayi antaru kadha...sukkalu kanapadathayi..bright white light yendukante..here even though the signal is not a visual signal..the activation of the receptors on the retina is processed as a light signal only..alage blow to an ear....guba gy manindh ante...the blow to the ear activated the auditory receptors, even though it is not a sound signal....but yes andi neuro science is amazing...college lokante learnt a lot while teaching it for a little bit. JOHAR YSR.....YSR AMAR RAHE | ||
| Whyme Hero Username: Whyme Post Number: 11809 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 65.184.65.66 Rating: N/A |
Nuvvu kinda ichina explanation ki naa nundi vachina textual emoticon annattu I liked your interpretation | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 16564 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Thanks andi and continue I listen to my son, and the stuff happening in neurology, the intersection with comp sci and wish I was born 30 years later - it is just fascinating how many inroads they are making into artificial intelligence My own final year project was an AI project - when it was in its infancy - heuristic medical diagnostic system build chesamu - from then to now my son working on NEAT( NeuroEvolution Augmenting Topologies) is a mind boggling journey The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Guriginja Megastar Username: Guriginja Post Number: 29144 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 24.197.173.3 Rating: N/A |
for ejjample....our retina has only two types of cells..rods and cones...which respond to different freequencies...rods...diim/night vision.....cones for color bright vision ani seppukovacchu.when a red light strikes to cones it creates a pattern in the cones on the retina...which the brain interprets as red, alage other colors....the brain can interpret those signals as long as ther is a pattern..but oka pattern antu lekunte you will be blind...another ejjample for that is if you are in a dark room and come out into bright light oall of a sudden..what do you see just a very bright white light...why is that because all the cones are firing at a time, no pattern, so brain just sees it as a 'blank' white light.....alane when you enter a dark romm same thing...pitch dark but slowly..you might be able to see shadows, dark objects etc....so seppocchedetante oka pattern vunte brain can read..lekunte ledhu.....if we have a 3rd type receptor on our retina which can detect UV light we can definately make the brain read it...or any other freequency electromagnetic light...ani naa yokka idhi..adhi... JOHAR YSR.....YSR AMAR RAHE | ||
| Guriginja Megastar Username: Guriginja Post Number: 29142 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 24.197.173.3 Rating: N/A |
there are only two gateways for the brain to receive information from all the senses...the olfactory sense...goes directly to the olfactory lobe...every other sense including vision, proprietary senses, hearing, etc has to pass through the thalamus and then to to the respective cortical regions....meeku telisi vundocchu but just briefly speaking those are the only ways.....the jacket hear is transmtting vibrations....which is precieved by the brain as a sense of touch....but...it is ascribing a meaning to that particular pattern of touch....you can put a visual image/ audio or any other 'sense' on that particular pattern anukuntunna.. JOHAR YSR.....YSR AMAR RAHE | ||
| Guriginja Megastar Username: Guriginja Post Number: 29141 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 24.197.173.3 Rating: N/A |
bedaru why should brain even come in contact with UV rays....video lo seppinattuga it is locked in a box and all it can do is read electrochemical signals.....UV light can kil any cells...not just brain....not just humans, even animals that can detect them....but again 'receptors' are not any ordinary cells..they are specialized to detect them and very much possible to have a cell or parts of cell (a receptor) that can recognise a UV signal or some other. JOHAR YSR.....YSR AMAR RAHE | ||
| Guriginja Megastar Username: Guriginja Post Number: 29140 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 24.197.173.3 Rating: N/A |
what do you really mean by that..ofcourse you can increasing the sensory perception, that is what handicapped people do to compensate for theri derivity...brain here naturally 'increases' its activity. JOHAR YSR.....YSR AMAR RAHE | ||
| Guriginja Megastar Username: Guriginja Post Number: 29139 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 24.197.173.3 Rating: N/A |
I think preconditioning the brain to understand the signal as something that you want to interpret is a requirement here (atleast that is what I think). From the video, the deaf person, depending on the pattern he (his brain) understands that the particular pattern is a word, so his brain can recognise it...I don't know if another deaf person wearing the vest for the first time repeat what the deaf guy in the video did....so with a 2 hr prior training..the brain understands the signal as an audio signal and interprets it htat way...the same thing can be a visual signal for a different person....so it is pretty much conditioning of the brain to read..that particular sense' which the person is derived off anukuntunna...so the possibilites for sure here are immense. JOHAR YSR.....YSR AMAR RAHE | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 16563 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
This theory has been changed to a large extent kada - that sections of the brain can learn to process different types of signals - like the visual cortex in the blind gets repurposed to process other signals, and so on ..so it may be a case of picking and choosing which signals to process ..
Yes, but as long as it works consistently and predictably- that should not be an issue The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Last_avataar Side Hero Username: Last_avataar Post Number: 5522 Registered: 09-2012 Posted From: 12.10.219.225 Rating: N/A |
Most of the time Human intellect, vision, perception , interpretation skills are impacted by "emotional state" of that human imagine brain/ sensory capacity is enhanced ... and starts feeding enhanced amounts of feeds... If it is robot , it may work in the defined way. For humans it may work n different ways when same thing is fed and same level of enhancements are made Becuase they are driven by strong desires.....that makes the difference | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9784 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 98.201.144.116 Rating: N/A |
Yes but to interpret different types of signals there are specialized areas in the brain with distinct anatomy and wiring. Unless our brain develops such areas to recognize new patterns, it cant interpret any novel signals. May be in remote future if you can engineer some stem cells in the embryo to develop in to novelty areas in the brain, then it might be possible. It would be wonderful though. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 16562 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
UV meeru use chesaru ani continue chesanu - but for any type of rays - how do we know if the brain does not sense or is unable to interpret/recognize ? And why am I even talking sensing - all the brain senses are electrical impulses and interprets kada - may be today it filters out a lot of the input as noise.. if there is structure and predictability in that electrical noise it will start building patterns to recognize ?? And I am just conjecturing here The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9783 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 98.201.144.116 Rating: N/A |
With UV rays, you can potentially damage the brain by such training. For other types such as radio waves, I am not sure because they already pass through our bodies as we speak but we don't feel anything. Anatomically our brain is not equipped with such talent. A dog's brain is made in such a way that with a specialized nose, it can detect a cat 100 yards away. But even if humans have a dog's nose, I dont think human brain can sense that cat. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 16560 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
sequence correct kademo - any new experience is interpreted on the framework of old and then enhances the framework Eppudo oka thread vesanu Hallucinations and visions meda - everyone probably experiences "God energy " in the same form of energy but the brain interpretst hat experience to the visions closest to what they have which is probably why a hindu sees hindu gods, another jesus etc.. similarly repu pilots ki signals to see all flight data thru a new sense ichi dashboard mundu train cheste the brain will learn to make those associations anukuntunna The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Chillarodu Side Hero Username: Chillarodu Post Number: 7091 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 128.103.224.124 Rating: N/A |
You are right. Brain cannot process without having the prior knowledge of it. It either has to to deduce it or covert it. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 16559 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Doing well Maybe the brain can sense UV but does not have the language to interpret variations- and maybe that can be trained by association ?The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9782 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 98.201.144.116 Rating: N/A |
Hello anand how are you? Hope all is well. Yes, I got that part and its very exciting. But I couldn't understand how he is going to actually create new senses though. He talked about substitution and refinement part, but not the addition part. How can you make our brain detect UV rays directly without converting them first in to something our brain understands? If you can bypass the conversion part, then you have created a new sense. Do you know why we sleep? because our brain gets exhausted because of all the sensory input we get throughout the day. By giving more signals than it can process, you are basically exhausting and tiring and even damaging it. | ||
| Bushu Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 10863 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 192.54.222.12 Rating: N/A |
why not? | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 16554 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Howdy ? Watch the video -more than adding senses - the big take away for me was being able to perceive richer and more complex data all together, rather than going thru language/image/sense at a time and processing of that to meaningful information for you...a leap like - from reading a book and visualising to now seeing the movie potential application examples iccharuThe foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9781 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 98.201.144.116 Rating: N/A |
Increasing sensory abilities is useless unless the processing power of brain is also correspondingly increased. Is our brain capable of assimilating and processing the extra signals properly? what utility he proposes?...havent seen the video fully. Its a dangerous game to play. We evolve as a whole, not in parts. You cant play GTA5 on P4 machine can you?  | ||
| Thikka_sankara Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 18587 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 49.207.191.144 Rating: N/A |
new senses or enhance existing?? keka link: fikileaks, | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 16551 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Clueless about this - link unte padeyyandi
Kya hua ?
Cool so I have a summer learning project after I finsh my Ayurveda course The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Bushu Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 10862 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 192.54.222.12 Rating: N/A |
then he will know of deepmind. it will blow you away when he shows you what's been done. | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 560 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 116.202.8.9 Rating: N/A |
may be we need to see this with the view of the discussion between Eliezer Yudkowsky & Massimo Pigliucci of lesswrong. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 16550 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Hmmm - will learn over summer when kiddo is here - he is studying AI - though his research stream is computational intelligence in video games  The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Bushu Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 10861 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 192.54.222.12 Rating: N/A |
anthey. nothing more. as you encode, the richness of data varies. a word is significantly cheaper than a shape. video choolledhu, but AI has moved beyond these basics already. You should read about 'deep learning'. | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 559 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 103.5.134.163 Rating: N/A |
may be they are encoded differently..may be the processing mechanism is different... | ||
| Whyme Hero Username: Whyme Post Number: 11793 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 171.159.64.10 Rating: N/A |
Akkaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 16548 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
video chusara - deaf person translating the feeds from the vest to words - how does the brain discern its a word and not a shape - thru pure pattern recognition and attribution because of training or is there more to it ? The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 16547 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
LOL my computer has developed a sense of hunger and is eating up letters.That should read, extend it selectively in the fields you want The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Bushu Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 10858 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 192.54.222.12 Rating: N/A |
not anymore. almost solved.
hain???? | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 16546 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Extending umwelt is one thing.. But the real wow factor is being able the exted it selectively in the s you want And as I was watching it another thought came to mind - this treats the brain as a black box and the brain is able to figure our how to interpret those signals - why does the brain not confuse a signal for a visual image as an audio? and can we replicate this in computers , where visual recognition is still a challenge ? So many possibilities The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Cinejeevi Comedian Username: Cinejeevi Post Number: 1424 Registered: 10-2014 Posted From: 69.147.191.23 Rating: N/A |
IMO It is exploring the existing senses rather than creating new senses. This is what was achieved by our rushis where they delivered the vedas/sastras by means of Sruti and Smruti. avasyaani Sareeraani andari dabbu naake raani | ||
| Bushu Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 10856 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 192.54.222.12 Rating: N/A |
Nonsense - UGK. thanks. | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 558 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 103.5.134.163 Rating: N/A |
welcome... it's kind of mind blowing if we think about it deeply....brain is general purpose computing machine and sensory organs are plug-n-play peripherals... how does it feel sensing the data from stock exchange in real time!! and how/what does meaning arose out of it... feel the world to understand it... extend your umwelt | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 16536 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Interesting stuff - thanks for posting The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 16954 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 209.55.28.4 Rating: N/A |
i think there are senses that have been suppressed... but can we force new senses..interesting work... | ||
| Jambalahaart_raja Side Hero Username: Jambalahaart_raja Post Number: 5500 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 171.161.160.10 Rating: N/A |
CPH4?? Lucy?? "Chill Bro. I told you to let it go!!" - The Budhha. | ||
| Chillarodu Side Hero Username: Chillarodu Post Number: 7076 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 128.103.224.124 Rating: N/A |
thanks for posting. Nice one. | ||
| Last_avataar Side Hero Username: Last_avataar Post Number: 5500 Registered: 09-2012 Posted From: 12.10.219.226 Rating: |
No need to create new senses. Theu Yogic science , yogis of ancient time proved already that they can perceive beyond senses or percieve more than what they can see with naked Eye Human body is a most advanced but simple looking. The more you use sceitifically your bran and senses the better it grows | ||
| Diviseema Megastar Username: Diviseema Post Number: 25727 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 103.16.71.23 Rating: N/A |
baaa vunna senses ni satisfy cheyyaleka sasthunna, vaatikosame gaa enni godavalu , ee thippalu jeevithaniki. malli kottavi avasarama. PAWAN KALYAN, TDP, PARITALA | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 557 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 103.5.134.163 Rating: N/A |
As humans, we can perceive less than a ten-trillionth of all light waves. "Our experience of reality," says neuroscientist David Eagleman, "is constrained by our biology." He wants to change that. His research into our brain processes has led him to create new interfaces --such as a sensory vest --to take in previously unseen information about the world around us... fantastic talk https://www.ted.com/talks/david_eagleman_can_we_create_new_s enses_for_humans?language=en |
