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http://ibnlive.in.com/news/india-came-close-to-killing-dawoo d-in-karachi-called-off-operation-after-a-last-minute-phone- call-sources/517891-3.html

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Raman:

hafee sayeed
masood azhar
dawood
eella muggurni lepeyyali




dawwod ni manam sooskonte migata vallani us/israel quota lo eskovali..
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saint annai aa Raw tape of convesation between musharaf from china an military general is well known

NDTV lo audio play cheadu


aa tape lekapothe and america interference lekapothe both countries would have used nukes against each other.
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not only RAW, even MI6 kooda undi... but ippudu MQM is not that formidable as it used to be.
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hafee sayeed
masood azhar
dawood
eella muggurni lepeyyali
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Abhysg:

dawoood ganni lepi dobbite modi ki desham salam.. next 20years




idi jaragatam miracle. if at all it happens, sooofer
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idi chadavandi bavundi
https://medium.com/@wilmerdon/what-isi-can-learn-from-raw-274e67674f48
with aagadu mahesh babu became mahesh bhatt!!! ki ki ki 292 palakol tagore ki ki ki
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idi chadavandi bavundi
with aagadu mahesh babu became mahesh bhatt!!! ki ki ki 292 palakol tagore ki ki ki
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Royyala_nayudu:

Under Modi RAW is very powerful.




dawoood ganni lepi dobbite modi ki desham salam.. next 20years
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annai
6 months lo antha change aipothundaa edaina. ee 5 years pedda incidents lekapothe, we can agree

amrikodu pakka desam nunchi vellipothadu next year ki emo, aa time lo jagratha vundali


Who told you we are not already present there?

RAW has huge activity in Afgan.

6 months avasaram ledhu 3 months chaalu u can tighten your belt and start strategizing. PM gaa aa mustilanjoduku MMS vunnadu anuko, dhenemma pani chesetodiki kooda cheyya budhi kadhu, adhe Modi lanti nationalist vunnadu anuko entha corrupt oodiki ayithe desa bakthi pudathadhi. Adhi theda.

Currently we have all the intelligence inputs, it is thematter of identifying which ones are important and which ones are not.
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saint annai aa Raw tape of convesation between musharaf from china an military general is well known

NDTV lo audio play cheadu
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Royyala_nayudu:

Under Modi RAW is very powerful. Ajit Doval is the main advisor to the PM.




annai
6 months lo antha change aipothundaa edaina. ee 5 years pedda incidents lekapothe, we can agree

amrikodu pakka desam nunchi vellipothadu next year ki emo, aa time lo jagratha vundali
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Bongaram:

I dont know much but ee link choostunte mana RAW vallu still eppudo WWII lo ne arigi poina techniques like intercepting the communications meeda ekkuva rely avutunnaru anipistundi..

field level intelligence, informers, proactively placing moles in opposition countries in various govt depts, militiary.. satellite based monitoring.., NGOs establish chesi pedda pedda vallani andulo cherchukoni ala info sampadinchatam..

ila chala techniques untayi.. appude manaki multiple sources ninchi bits & pieces kalupukunte concrete info vastundi.


RAW state of the art vundedhi under Indira. Jantala Dal Govt under Moraji ochina tharavatha he cancelled all the covert operations.

Again under PVNR he strengthened RAW a lot, followed by BJP. Next malli UPA time lo disaster. Under Modi RAW is very powerful. Ajit Doval is the main advisor to the PM.
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BTW RAW directly reports to PM of India..no pathi business with other depts!


Intelligence briefing vuntadhi PM tho daily. Mute Mohan singh gori time lo vundedhi kadhu, allu evariki brief cheyyalo telisedhi kadhu ata.
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indian is great ,thokka thota kura

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Bongaram:

govts can ignore as a regular/periodical warning.




Yes idhe problem ekkuva ga undedhi. Prathi week edho oka call intercept cheyyachu which talks about war on India.
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Dookudu:

but RAW still is an very effective organisation.




* a very effective :D

MQM ni baagane lepaaru ani naa idi appatlo.
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Saint:

its not intelligence failure ...they provided the information and the person who needs to act on the info..didnt act...


I dont know much but ee link choostunte mana RAW vallu still eppudo WWII lo ne arigi poina techniques like intercepting the communications meeda ekkuva rely avutunnaru anipistundi..

field level intelligence, informers, proactively placing moles in opposition countries in various govt depts, militiary.. satellite based monitoring.., NGOs establish chesi pedda pedda vallani andulo cherchukoni ala info sampadinchatam..

ila chala techniques untayi.. appude manaki multiple sources ninchi bits & pieces kalupukunte concrete info vastundi.

otherwise.. govts can ignore as a regular/periodical warning.
OT on OT : NTR bomma pettakunda few months gadipi , dikku leka malli NTR bomma ke mokkadam modalettina kukka CBN fans ikkada....

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The main reason for Kargil war was we capturing Siachen in 1984. They wanted to take revenge or gain an bargaining position, so that they can take back Siachen. In 84 winter we took control over Siachen when Pak army wasn't there. But from then both countries maintain permanent military presence even in winters no matter how extreme weather conditions are. So Pak used same strategy to take control of Kargil. But instead used militants strategy... that we didn't capture and it wasn't our thing, but they did it. Kani akkada actual ga chesindi pak army who were dressed as militants. So when India was retaliating they couldn't use much force as for the world it was showing that they aren't involved but militants. Still we took more than a month to gain control over all the land. Oka mig poyyindi and one helicopter and many jawans. Strategy lo we're always too weak. Adhe Israel ayithe with minimal loss they gain more. Our RAW was total failure regards to Kargil, but konni matters because of our politicians pedda dandaga la kanipisthadi. It may not be Mossad, but RAW still is an very effective organisation.
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Saint:

RAW always provided the information.




appatlo vachina news aithe RAW did not imagine the extent, they just thought it was a batch of tellals like usual
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Simhapuri_kurrodu:


adi conflicting claims vunnai. anyways, kargil failure was in preventing
mumbai failure was total - preventing and handling




conflicting claims evaru chsaru? RAW na? mumbai di ithe total disaster.. RAW always provided the information...it was govt/ or other agencies who failed to act on that information.
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.they provided the information and the person who needs to act on the info..didnt act...




adi conflicting claims vunnai. anyways, kargil failure was in preventing
mumbai failure was total - preventing and handling
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Simba:

worst part ante... they were showing live footage of commando operation on TV. Lopala unna tellas happy ga TV chooste firing... mana media antha daridrulu evvaru undaru... desam sanka naakipoyina paravaledu, TRP ratings perigite chaalu... thu...




true....adee monna Sydney loo issue ayithee TV channels were asked to be in a certain distance.....vallu kooda chepparu....we are asked by the Police to stay so many blocks/feet away from the situation ani....

mana LK media gallaki aa pattimpuleemi vunavu....somehow, center should have given a stern warning to not air the milatary operation ani...
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Simba:

worst part ante... they were showing live footage of commando operation on TV. Lopala unna tellas happy ga TV chooste firing... mana media antha daridrulu evvaru undaru... desam sanka naakipoyina paravaledu, TRP ratings perigite chaalu... thu...




anduke antaru kada...intelligent enemy vundatam better stupid fren kanna anna..

minimum common sense ledu edavalaki!
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Simhapuri_kurrodu:

Kargil was worst case of intelligence failure.
Mumbai failure lo intelligence okkate kaadu, total system failure. how can you have commandos wait half a day for helicopter




its not intelligence failure ...they provided the information and the person who needs to act on the info..didnt act...

BTW RAW directly reports to PM of India..no pathi business with other depts!
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quote:

Kargil war reasons


Paki gaadi G balupu....
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Simba:

. they were showing live footage of commando operation on TV. Lopala unna tellas happy ga TV chooste firing.




yep, aaram se velli maree shoot chesaru. even kargil apudu kooda barkha valla some bunker meeda fire chesaaru
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Simhapuri_kurrodu:

Mumbai failure lo intelligence okkate kaadu, total system failure.


worst part ante... they were showing live footage of commando operation on TV. Lopala unna tellas happy ga TV chooste firing... mana media antha daridrulu evvaru undaru... desam sanka naakipoyina paravaledu, TRP ratings perigite chaalu... thu...
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Kargil was worst case of intelligence failure.
Mumbai failure lo intelligence okkate kaadu, total system failure. how can you have commandos wait half a day for helicopter
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Gorrela kaparlu chepparu anta that they are seeing many folks up the hills and passed it to base army camps. Mana vallu light teesukunnaru.
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more info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_and_Analysis_Wing

goose bumps vachevi chala vunnayi! konni failures kooda vunnayi!
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2008 mumbai attacks...

2008 Mumbai attacks: About 2–6 months before 26/11 Mumbai attacks R&AW had intercepted several telephone calls through SIGINT[107] which pointed at impending attacks on Mumbai Hotels by Pakistan based terrorists,[108] however there was a co-ordination failure and no follow up action was taken.[109] Few hours before the attacks, a RAW technician monitoring satellite transmissions picked up conversations between attackers and handlers, as the attackers were sailing toward Mumbai. The technician flagged the conversations as being suspicious and passed them on to his superiors. RAW believed that they were worrying and immediately alerted the office of the National Security Advisor. However the intelligence was ignored.[110] Later, just after the terrorists had attacked Mumbai, RAW technicians started monitoring the six phones used by the terrorists and recorded conversations between the terrorists and their handlers.[111] On 15 January 2010, in a successful snatch operation R&AW agents nabbed Sheikh Abdul Khwaja, one of the handlers of the 26/11 attacks, chief of HuJI India operations and a most wanted terror suspect in India, from Colombo, Sri Lanka and brought him over to Hyderabad, India for formal arrest.[112

chetha lk politicians and beauracracy!
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rajeev gandhi gaari EP thanam.....


Sri Lanka:[80][81] RAW started training the LTTE to keep a check on Sri Lanka,[82] which had helped Pakistan in the Indo-Pak War by allowing Pakistani ships to refuel at Sri Lankan ports. However, the LTTE created a lot of problems and complications and the then Prime Minister of India Rajiv Gandhi was forced to send the Indian Peace Keeping Force (IPKF) in 1987 to restore normalcy in the region. The disastrous mission of the IPKF was blamed by many on the lack of co-ordination between the IPKF and RAW. Its most disastrous manifestation was the Heliborne assault on LTTE HQ in the Jaffna University campus in the opening stages of Operation Pawan. The site was chosen without any consultation with the RAW. The dropping paratroopers became easy targets for the LTTE. A number of soldiers were killed. The assassination of Rajiv Gandhi is also blamed as a fallout of the failed RAW operation in Sri Lanka.[83][better source needed]
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mana morarji desai gaari telivi thetalu...


Kahuta's Blueprint:[63][64] Kahuta is the site of the Khan Research Laboratories (KRL), Pakistan's main nuclear weapons laboratory as well as an emerging center for long-range missile development. The primary Pakistani missile-material production facility is located at Kahuta, employing gas centrifuge enrichment technology to produce Highly Enriched Uranium (HEU). R&AW first confirmed Pakistan's nuclear programs by analyzing the hair samples snatched from the floor of barber shops near KRL; which showed that Pakistan had developed the ability to enrich uranium to weapons-grade quality. RAW agents knew of Kahuta Research Laboratories from at least early 1978,[65] when the then Indian Prime Minister, Morarji Desai, accidentally thwarted R&AW's operations on Pakistan's covert nuclear weapons program. In an indiscreet moment in a telephone conversation one day, Morarji Desai informed the then Pakistan President, Zia-ul-Haq, that India was aware of Pakistan's nuclear weapons program. According to later reports, acting on this "tip-off", Pakistani Intelligence eliminated RAW's sources on Kahuta, leaving India in the dark about Pakistan's nuclear weapons program from then on.[3][4][66]
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Kargil War: R&AW was heavily criticised in 1999, following the Pakistani incursions at Kargil. Critics accused R&AW of failing to provide intelligence that could have prevented the ensuing ten-week conflict that brought India and Pakistan to the brink of a full-scale war.[98] While the Army has been critical of the information they received R&AW has pointed the finger at the politicians, claiming they had provided all the necessary information. However, R&AW was successful in intercepting a telephonic conversation between Pervez Musharraf, the then Pakistan Army Chief who was in Beijing and his chief of staff Lt. Gen. Mohammed Aziz in Islamabad.[99] This tape was later published by India to prove Pakistani involvement in the Kargil incursion.[99][100] In 2011, a think tank report[101] stated that RAW had warned in its October 1998 assessment that Pakistan Army might launch a limited swift offensive with possible support of alliance partners, however the government ignored such reports.[102][103][104]


RAW warnings ni politicians ignore chesaru anta kada..!

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