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Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 10:13 pm:   Insert Quote Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Bushu:

primordial copulation?


big bang ante idaa ardham
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Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 09:53 pm:   Insert Quote Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
primordial copulation?
I will stir the smooth sands of monotony
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Okahyderabadi:

There is simply no effort to study and understand the concepts recorded in the ancient texts



Is there a means for the scientific community to do that? If there is no means , the scientific community can hardly be blamed for not making the effort.

Brahmavarchas Research institute was doing some research on the health/spirituality front .. I do not know of any such research institutes focussed on cosmology..

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Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 05:56 pm:   Insert Quote Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Anand_n:

That is the key part ..isn't it? Who has the ability to separate the grounding from the chaff , decrypt, explain, state the ancient theories and postulates and then validate them?

At this point all that is happening is waiting for science to propose a theory and then find overlaps in the scriptures...We do not see any theories coming out of scriptures other than creationist theories

Anyway this is a never-ending discussion - better for me to go listen to otherepisodes of startalk than hypothesise on this If someone comes up with a theory from the cosmic view I am sure it will get published in some science publication as well



The pointer I gave to Nasadiya suktam from the Rig Veda explains the concept in a way, it says the begining of the universe happened from a point through heat which is the basis for the big bang theory

"At first there was only darkness wrapped in darkness.
All this was only unillumined water.
That One which came to be, enclosed in nothing,
arose at last, born of the power of heat"

Till date none are able to explain the technological advancement of the egyptians who created marvels possibly 10000 or more years ago.

The problem with the critics of texts from the yore is Only once a new scientific discovery occurs do proponents of scientific knowledge scan the text to look for a verse that can be said to have predicted the latest discovery. Thus, since the process only works in reverse and the text cannot predict new discoveries, the text cannot be said to contain scientific foreknowledge. There is simply no effort to study and understand the concepts recorded in the ancient texts without just rubbishing them as religious ramblings
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Last_avataar:

just for fun



Ee discussions some 7 -8 years back IBDB lo vesesukunnamu - so not that interesting anymore - but there was a video we discussed back then - called Mysteries of the Sacred Universe- talks about the various dimensions - its based on Srimad Bhagavatam - chudakapote chudandi baguntundi :-)

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Chillarodu:

long time ekkadandi... we are just few 1000's of years old compared to what? few billion years?

manaki telisi few thousand years ani science cheptundi but everyday we are discovering new things. yes in the context of a kalpa this is tiny speck
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As per vedic scripture Creation started with a Vibration Sound "OMKARA"
Scients may put it in a different worsds about these Vibrations.

What is the need for Universe to be So big , unimaginable for physical mind ?
Sometime i feel, like this

1. Each action has n# of outcomes, which is a orgnalize form of energy
2. When an event happens many combinations with dufferent permutations will gets created in acrosss mutiverse
3. Depends on the local conditions an event can end with different outcomes at each galactic level
4. That may lead to parallel universe running all the time collpsing and expanding

just for fun
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Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 05:34 pm:   Insert Quote Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Okahyderabadi:

interesting we are trying to expand our knowledge of unknown for a long time and yet seem to be far way.



long time ekkadandi... we are just few 1000's of years old compared to what? few billion years?
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Okahyderabadi:

the cosmic approach transcends this, the issue is there is lot of hear-say or things that are considered mythical and theological but probably had some grounding to it but was lost in the dark times.



That is the key part ..isn't it? Who has the ability to separate the grounding from the chaff , decrypt, explain, state the ancient theories and postulates and then validate them?

At this point all that is happening is waiting for science to propose a theory and then find overlaps in the scriptures...We do not see any theories coming out of scriptures other than creationist theories :-)

Anyway this is a never-ending discussion - better for me to go listen to otherepisodes of startalk than hypothesise on this :-) If someone comes up with a theory from the cosmic view I am sure it will get published in some science publication as well :-)

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Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 05:33 pm:   Insert Quote Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Okahyderabadi:

sorry here is the link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hymn_of_Creation
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If you remember the song from Bharat ek khoj - Shristhi se pehele..

It comes from a sukta called Nasadiya sukta which i am pasting from the wiki
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नासदासींनॊसदासीत्तदा नीं नासीद्रजॊ नॊ व्यॊमापरॊ यत् ।
किमावरीव: कुहकस्यशर्मन्नभ: किमासीद्गहनं गभीरम् ॥१॥

Then even nothingness was not, nor existence,
There was no air then, nor the heavens beyond it.
What covered it? Where was it? In whose keeping
Was there then cosmic water, in depths unfathomed?

न मृत्युरासीदमृतं न तर्हि न रात्र्या।आन्ह।आसीत् प्रकॆत: ।
आनीदवातं स्वधया तदॆकं तस्माद्धान्यन्नपर: किंचनास ॥२॥

Then there was neither death nor immortality
nor was there then the torch of night and day.
The One breathed windlessly and self-sustaining.
There was that One then, and there was no other.

तम।आअसीत्तमसा गूह्ळमग्रॆ प्रकॆतं सलिलं सर्वमा।इदम् ।
तुच्छॆनाभ्वपिहितं यदासीत्तपसस्तन्महिना जायतैकम् ॥३॥

At first there was only darkness wrapped in darkness.
All this was only unillumined water.
That One which came to be, enclosed in nothing,
arose at last, born of the power of heat.

कामस्तदग्रॆ समवर्तताधि मनसॊ रॆत: प्रथमं यदासीत् ।
सतॊबन्धुमसति निरविन्दन्हृदि प्रतीष्या कवयॊ मनीषा ॥४॥

In the beginning desire descended on it -
that was the primal seed, born of the mind.
The sages who have searched their hearts with wisdom
know that which is is kin to that which is not.

तिरश्चीनॊ विततॊ रश्मीरॆषामध: स्विदासी ३ दुपरिस्विदासीत् ।
रॆतॊधा।आसन्महिमान् ।आसन्त्स्वधा ।आवस्तात् प्रयति: परस्तात् ॥५॥

And they have stretched their cord across the void,
and know what was above, and what below.
Seminal powers made fertile mighty forces.
Below was strength, and over it was impulse.

कॊ ।आद्धा वॆद क‌।इह प्रवॊचत् कुत ।आअजाता कुत ।इयं विसृष्टि: ।
अर्वाग्दॆवा ।आस्य विसर्जनॆनाथाकॊ वॆद यत ।आबभूव ॥६॥

But, after all, who knows, and who can say
Whence it all came, and how creation happened?
the gods themselves are later than creation,
so who knows truly whence it has arisen?

इयं विसृष्टिर्यत ।आबभूव यदि वा दधॆ यदि वा न ।
यॊ ।आस्याध्यक्ष: परमॆ व्यॊमन्त्सॊ आंग वॆद यदि वा न वॆद ॥७॥

Whence all creation had its origin,
he, whether he fashioned it or whether he did not,
he, who surveys it all from highest heaven,
he knows - or maybe even he does not know.[9]
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interesting we are trying to expand our knowledge of unknown for a long time and yet seem to be far way.
In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day
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Zulu:

I will believe big bang theory the day they create a whole new universe from a new single atom.



untill then sit titeee ani VJwarrior seppaadu :-)
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Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 05:28 pm:   Insert Quote Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Anand_n:

But on the flipside to your argument , most people will question scientific theories but will not question religious theories



A thoery is a thoery whether it is by a religous community related to some sect or religous sec of scietists. I see a clear trend in scietific community to come up with "meta-physical" thoeries when they are constrined by limites of the current realm of scientific knowledge.

I was not referring to religous thoeries. I was referring to ancient real knowledge of atronomy , thier thoeries, mathamatics.

Greeks and roman copied the earth certric model developed by Indian (for thier convenience) and propesed a thoery that earth is the certer of the universe. Where as the purpose of earth certic model is for atronomical convenince for Indians.
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I will believe big bang theory the day they create a whole new universe from a new single atom.
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of becuase all of a sudden you posted a message that i am frustated...



Ok, makes sense... I meant your frustration with science - not the discussion :-)

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Gotcha:

before big bang anta oka atom ayite aa atom bayata emundi?

is it empty space outside that atom?

pralayam followed by sunyam followed by shristi if we go by vedic information - it is this unknown that humans are trying to explore and find out.
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Anand_n:

of becuase all of a sudden you posted a message that i am frustated... so i am little surprised thought you are lil upset. i am not trying to read your mind :-)
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before big bang anta oka atom ayite aa atom bayata emundi?

is it empty space outside that atom?



Fundamental Question... Which no one has answer.
Like egg before ot chicken before
This is one of the thoeries based on limited set of knowledge

Most fascinating is our bodies are created by all the matter scatter aroung the universe like fundamental elements ? where did the conciousness come in living ?
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Last_avataar:

looks like you are becomming lil emptional when i try to go against your postings


- well you cannot be more wrong in your assessment of my emotional state in posting or reading your posts ...but hey whatever you choose to believe :-)
Last_avataar:

But it is funny to watch people question ancient knowledge without verification and istantly accept what the modern scientists say without any verification.


I don't know who you are talking about - but I will question all of these, ancient and modern theories :-)

But on the flipside to your argument , most people will question scientific theories but will not question religious theories :-)

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Chillarodu:

ground state cannot be non-zero even with zero kinetic energy because quantum electrodynamics (QED) has one electron field and one photon field; quantum chromodynamics (QCD) has one field for each type of quark; and, in condensed matter, there is an atomic displacement field that gives rise to phonon particles



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quantum vallu chaana mandi unnattu undi ikkada



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Chillarodu:

sasibob.. I think you are wrong.
ground state cannot be non-zero even with zero kinetic energy because quantum electrodynamics (QED) has one electron field and one photon field; quantum chromodynamics (QCD) has one field for each type of quark; and, in condensed matter, there is an atomic displacement field that gives rise to phonon particles

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before big bang anta oka atom ayite aa atom bayata emundi?

is it empty space outside that atom?
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Baaga Chepparu. Our imagination and thinking should not be contrined to limited set of knowledge channels or thoeries.

it is going to be an evolving joutrney. Many of the modern quantum thoeries about the universe have some back ground connection to ancient knowledge.

There is a need for scietific community to converge the ancient knowledge to think differently to achieve great.
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Sasibabu:

For instance, in a quantum mechanical model the lowest energy state of a system, the ground state, is non-zero as opposed to a more "traditional" ground state with zero kinetic energy (all particles at rest). Instead of a traditional static, unchanging zero energy state, quantum mechanics allows for far more dynamic, chaotic possibilities, according to John Wheeler.



sasibob.. I think you are wrong.
ground state cannot be non-zero even with zero kinetic energy because quantum electrodynamics (QED) has one electron field and one photon field; quantum chromodynamics (QCD) has one field for each type of quark; and, in condensed matter, there is an atomic displacement field that gives rise to phonon particles
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Siloan:

koncham immature ga undi movie but worth a watch
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Don't you see yourslef constrined by limitations of thoguht
today's lwas of science have not even reached a point to understand the nature of matter

I think you must go and see the thoeries propsed then come back.

the principles of science as we know are based on a hypothesis and then the effort to either prove that wrong or correct thereby formulating explanations for everything using the compendium of knowledge known currently to the human kind.

the cosmic approach transcends this, the issue is there is lot of hear-say or things that are considered mythical and theological but probably had some grounding to it but was lost in the dark times.

what we fail to recognize at the grander scale is all things in this universe are connected and we fail at the interdisciplinary connectivity amongst all natural sciences and cosmic evolution.
Quantum physics is a great subject but it does not have answers to all the questions to the universe.

All these can be hopefully with the ever expanding realm of science at some point in future. As always research throws up new things always and may just like Einstein's theory has some doubts raised and disproved to a certain level in other research there could be other things that may come and validate some old theories thrown away or disprove some existing one's.
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orry I do not understand your frustration at al



I am perfectly happy with what i discuss. i have no emotions with any of these postings , looks like you are becomming lil emptional when i try to go against your postings

Yes there is nothing worng in thoeries that have supporting data.
But it is funny to watch people question ancient knowledge without verification and istantly accept what the modern scientists say without any verification.
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For instance, in a quantum mechanical model the lowest energy state of a system, the ground state, is non-zero as opposed to a more "traditional" ground state with zero kinetic energy (all particles at rest). Instead of a traditional static, unchanging zero energy state, quantum mechanics allows for far more dynamic, chaotic possibilities, according to John Wheeler.
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The mathematical formulations of quantum mechanics are abstract. A mathematical function, the wavefunction, provides information about the probability amplitude of position, momentum, and other physical properties of a particle. Mathematical manipulations of the wavefunction usually involve bra–ket notation which requires an understanding of complex numbers and linear functionals. The wavefunction formulation treats the particle as a quantum harmonic oscillator, and the mathematics is akin to that describing acoustic resonance. Many of the results of quantum mechanics are not easily visualized in terms of classical mechanics.
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Thadika thadika thadika....indhulo discussion chesthunna valla okkalla post kooda ardham kaavatlaa except Gandhiguvera and Siloan mayyas
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Don't you see yourslef constrined by limitations of thoguht
today's lwas of science have not even reached a point to understand the nature of matter



No I don't see myself or anyone else constrained :-) The fact that we do not understand everything is a driver to try to figure it out -why is that constraining ? Its a journey - I am not a lil kid screaming are we there yet :-)

And there is nothing wrong in theorising and coming up with possible answers ... Sorry I do not understand your frustration at all :-)

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Gandhiguevara:

Madhyalo hot molten core nu etta tappinchu kuntaru ?
Total Recall movie soodu



CORE ane movie kooda soodochhemo
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I am ipad and mvssr in my previous births
last time i was pissed off on MOD and self banned and re appeared
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welcome back interesting views always and good points to ponder
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Science does not dismiss...



Don't you see yourslef constrined by limitations of thoguht
today's lwas of science have not even reached a point to understand the nature of matter

I think you must go and see the thoeries propsed then come back.
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I am ipad and mvssr in my previous births :-)
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it is interesting to read these new findings. but there is infinite realms and knowledge areas which these limited laws may not explain.

It is not good to blindly follow and believe the origin of universe from single atom kind of thoeries just becuase some so called enistein or some one told

These quntum scietists have started coming up with phylosophical thoeries on universe origin and matter ? then what is the difference between a scripure and layman like me and a scientist

what was your last_avatar? you sound vaguely familiar in the kind of arguments you put forward
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Exactly today;s science is doing the same , it dismisses everything that doen't fall into its realm of understanding and its own defined limited set of laws.



Science does not dismiss...

Last_avataar:

Today's science realm has no answer to many unexplained secrets and try to come up with some meta physical thoeries and call it a science , what a joke



You are doing so :-)

Tombrady:

btw COSMOS show on fox sundays since 2 weeks mari..i don't know how it is



Watch it and decide ... I am a diehard Cosmos fan from Sagan's days and a Neil deGrasse Tyson fan too so my opinion may be biased - but I like it :-)

Okahyderabadi:


Anything interesting reads from your side?



Not much -same excuse of time constraints - making very slow progress thru Bibek Debroy's Mahabharata..still at vol 2..

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As per Many Qunatum Thoery Poponents

All the Matter is an organized Entergy of thoughts of a Universal conciousness o Universal Mind

Entire science community's focus is on Matter , the only thing we can percieve and exploring many discoveries in that field

But if matter is nothing by organized energy by some universal mind, science need to focus more on the otherside also rather than focusing just on physically appearing matter
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Conclusion enti ?



it is interesting to read these new findings. but there is infinite realms and knowledge areas which these limited laws may not explain.

It is not good to blindly follow and believe the origin of universe from single atom kind of thoeries just becuase some so called enistein or some one told

These quntum scietists have started coming up with phylosophical thoeries on universe origin and matter ? then what is the difference between a scripure and layman like me and a scientist
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evening chudali articles thanks for the links..

btw COSMOS show on fox sundays since 2 weeks mari..i don't know how it is
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Doing well thank you And you ? Read any interesting stuff recently ?

wrong quote in the previous post

Been busy with academics and had to make couple of unplanned trips back home to help family. Reading has been very limited but I had completed re-reading 100 years of solitude

Anything interesting reads from your side?
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Conclusion enti ?
Religious wars are basically people killing each other over who has the better imaginary friend -- Napoleon Bonaparte"
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We believe what seems within the realm of the possible to us and the rest gets dismissed as fantasy, abhorred as unnatural or revered as supernatural



But Anand Garu, Atom bomb is not exploded by atomic fission of one atom alone
it is some trillions of atoms.

Exactly today;s science is doing the same , it dismisses everything that doen't fall into its realm of understanding and its own defined limited set of laws. In its purest form it has to open itself to out of realm also

Is some one postulate a thoery which has no thoeritical satnding, based on some assumptions and say it is science , and who ever doesn't believe are nuts ?

Many scietific thoeries have been proven and disproven over the ages.
Today's science realm has no answer to many unexplained secrets and try to come up with some meta physical thoeries and call it a science , what a joke :-)
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Doing well thank you And you ? Read any interesting stuff recently ?

wrong quote in the previous post :-)

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hello sister bagunnara



Doing well thank you :-) And you ? Read any interesting stuff recently ?

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But hard to believe the above concept of origin of universe from a tiny dot



A rhetorical question - Would you have believed the atom could release that much energy before the atom bomb demonstrated it ?

We believe what seems within the realm of the possible to us and the rest gets dismissed as fantasy, abhorred as unnatural or revered as supernatural :-)

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Major discovery bolsters Big Bang theory of universe

The layman version...

http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-detect-echoes-big-bang-1517 53508.html

The more scientific description ..
http://news.stanford.edu/news/2014/march/physics-cosmic-infl ation-031714.html

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Right, that is the beauty of Ture Scientific Approach.
But Currently this thoery is based on very big assumptions , backed by some intereting data and discoveries to tredd in the direction.

But It is suprising to see how they have assumed / psotulated / feel very positive that entire universe we see was so densly packed like a size of atom and exploded to form.

Becuase have read about mutilverse in Devi Bhagavatham
Many of the concepts of quantum thoery and conciessness can be corelated to the ancient scriptures or puranas in some form

But hard to believe the above concept of origin of universe from a tiny dot
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This finding may support big bang but cannot confirm



:-) Thay have a finding that supports the big bang theory and detracts a little from the string theory ..But scientists are not going to stop there right, they will continue looking to test and prove/disprove the theory...

To quote NdGT from COSMOS epi 2 -"Science works on the frontier of knowledge and ignorance. We're not afraid to admit what we don't know -- there's no shame in that. The only shame is to pretend we have all the answers"

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Yes Gravity Waves in the universe are most common but tracing them back in time is important kada even though its approximate. n if you see the video in the links given by anand akkai he said something like "Billionth of a Billionth of a Billionth of a Millionth of a second" after the big bang, which means they do know the age of those ripples which they have detected.

Yes These readings has to be re tested and confirmed by reputed personalities but i dont think they will announce anything without confirming it.

nyway its a Huge leap forward n many more to come.
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Sir I AM NOT QUESTIONING THIER Wisdom and research
This is a question from lay man perspective.

Gravity waves are ripples in space generated by extreme cosmic events such as colliding stars, black holes, and supernova explosions, which carry vast amounts of energy at the speed of light

Because of how potentially important these results are, they must be viewed with skepticism, said David Spergel, professor of astrophysics at Princeton University. The measurement is a very difficult one to make and could easily be contaminated. There are, as it stands, some "oddities" in the results that could be concerning, he said.

"I am looking forward to seeing these results confirmed or refuted by other experiments in the next year or two," Spergel said.
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why can't it be from a supernova effect some time back

now recorded.....



Ripples are Dated back to the early universe.... n Super Nova Explosion ku veetiki theda teleeda vallaku ? Meeru maree andi....
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What proves that these Gravitational ripples are from initial unprecedented expansion and why can't it be from a supernova effect some time back

now recorded.....

This finding may support big bang but cannot confirm
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i need to go back our great go Krishna's Bhagawath Gita

NASA said the findings "not only help confirm that the universe inflated dramatically, but are providing theorists with the first clues about the exotic forces that drove space and time apart."

The gravitational waves rippled through the universe 380,000 years after the Big Bang, and these images were captured by the telescope.
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Michio Kaku di Univers in a Nutshell ani oka 45 long video undi choosara ?



Yeah - chusanu...Its a good one - I was also reading his "physics of the future' at the time :-)

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Michio Kaku di Univers in a Nutshell ani oka 45 long video undi choosara ?

Too Gud untadi....

If u haven't seen here it is....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NbBjNiw4tk
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My favorite astrophysicist dissecting science in movies :-)

Latest episode of NdGT's Startalk radio ..

http://www.startalkradio.net/show/cosmic-queries-science-in- movies-and-tv/#ndgt

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its easier to study and explore inanimate objects than studying convincing human nature.

inanimate objects ni study cheyyadam shooting range lo target ni kaalchadam lantidi... adi kadaladu tirigi kaalchadu.... human mind ni study chesi convince cheyyadam anedi encounter ki application etti mari participate cheyyadam lantidi.... :D
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fikileaks,
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mars em kharma... elli sooryudu meeda bhoo kabja chesi burj tower okati kadadaam



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its easier to study and explore inanimate objects than studying convincing human nature.

+1
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ee wars n bokka l religions addam vacchi kotukuntunnam kani okavela wars paina pette dabbu, relions paina gummarinche dabbu ila exploration paina petti unte i bet we would have colonized mars by now.



its easier to study and explore inanimate objects than studying convincing human nature. resistance unbelievable amma
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unte i bet we would have colonized mars by now.

mars em kharma... elli sooryudu meeda bhoo kabja chesi burj tower okati kadadaam
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first thing is humans are curious creatures we love to see n know about the thing we don't know....

its not like we cmpletly ignored exploring our planet n only focusing on space we are doing both but the thing is we are not giving enough importance to both....

ee wars n bokka l religions addam vacchi kotukuntunnam kani okavela wars paina pette dabbu, relions paina gummarinche dabbu ila exploration paina petti unte i bet we would have colonized mars by now.
Religious wars are basically people killing each other over who has the better imaginary friend -- Napoleon Bonaparte"
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Mental_sachinodu:



einstein juice kurrod kavatti.. and juice were estranged brahmins ani septhaar kadha..

anteee ashton ki velu vidichina mena maamaa antavaa eistein
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einstein caste ento chepte fullu ga takers

deenemma jeevitha...yesesaava
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Mental_sachinodu:

db lo scientic concepts/specifically einstein concepts meedha threads start chedhaamu anukuntunna

nuvvu yesthe public ki first vache doubt...'Einstein dhi ye casette'
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.if you can avoid that and keep the discussion going it would be great



will try :-)

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einstein caste ento chepte fullu ga takers



einstein juice kurrod kavatti.. and juice were estranged brahmins ani septhaar kadha.. :D
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.why do we need to drill more than 7 miles into the earth???



there is much to learn from how the earth formed by digging into the earth..

Kola superhole ani russia dig sesindi... they never went beyond 7 miles.

same story with the oceans... marianas trench lo emi vundey theliledu total ga...edo james cameron garu punyam tho kontha thelusukunaru..
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Mental_sachinodu:

db lo scientic concepts/specifically einstein concepts meedha threads start chedhaamu anukuntunna.. thread ki takers untaaru antaara,..

einstein caste ento chepte fullu ga takers
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thread ki takers untaaru antaara,... sort of brushing up myself with the theories.



Give it a shot- you never know ...The only problem is the sidetracking into religion Vs science ..if you can avoid that and keep the discussion going it would be great :-)

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thanks for the articles.

db lo scientic concepts/specifically einstein concepts meedha threads start chedhaamu anukuntunna.. thread ki takers untaaru antaara,... sort of brushing up myself with the theories.
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naku kooda vinpnchindi echo..echo..echo
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Madhyalo hot molten core nu etta tappinchu kuntaru ?

ante journey lo emanna tinaali anpisthe... hot hot gaa idlilu dosalu esukovachu..... cofeelu kooda kaachukovachu
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Madhyalo hot molten core nu etta tappinchu kuntaru ?


Next Kochen...Man sends rover to mars but can't they make molten core cool ani post esatadu appdu...kikiki..
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Madhyalo hot molten core nu etta tappinchu kuntaru ?

Total Recall movie soodu
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itu nunchi atu drill chesthe... around the world chakkaga lift lo vellocheyyochu kada... bore kodithey lift aata koooda aadukovachu

Madhyalo hot molten core nu etta tappinchu kuntaru ?
Religious wars are basically people killing each other over who has the better imaginary friend -- Napoleon Bonaparte"
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That's an Astounding discovery.... N Next big leap in space exploration will be the launch of James webb space telescope i guess eagerly waiting for its launch, 2018 tvaraga vaste bagundu....
Religious wars are basically people killing each other over who has the better imaginary friend -- Napoleon Bonaparte"
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I am gonna regret asking but i am going to ask you anyway....why do we need to drill more than 7 miles into the earth???


pathala lokam lo katrinakaif lanti bootiful garals untaru ani inside info
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why do we need to drill more than 7 miles into the earth???

itu nunchi atu drill chesthe... around the world chakkaga lift lo vellocheyyochu kada... bore kodithey lift aata koooda aadukovachu
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Bangarappa:

why is so much research focused to outside of earth...




Watch this video to understand why the cosmos is more fascinating than the ground under your feet :-)

Watch this video anyway - I loved it :-)

http://vimeo.com/46264514

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man go to moon but cannot drill more than 7 miles into earth.... comedy of priorities


I am gonna regret asking but i am going to ask you anyway....why do we need to drill more than 7 miles into the earth???
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why is so much research focused to outside of earth...

man go to moon but cannot drill more than 7 miles into earth.... comedy of priorities
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Layman's version itself is too scientific for me...:-(
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Major discovery bolsters Big Bang theory of universe :-)

The layman version...

http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-detect-echoes-big-bang-1517 53508.html

The more scientific description ..
http://news.stanford.edu/news/2014/march/physics-cosmic-infl ation-031714.html

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