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>>eppdo 70s lo vesina paitings meeda 90s lo lolli chesthunnaru ani evaroo baaadha >>paddaaru.. Only in 90s his art became accessible to the populace. In 70s, it >>was accessible to only these so called pseudo sickos or tholu-mandam elite >>hindus.


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TT:


Godhra train caught fire, when the devotees were making Tea




Chiru_fan:

ee joke esindi yevval BABA garu?



Indian Railway police enquiry, under the then secular Railway minister Lallo prasad yadhav
ofcourse, indian govt told the same several times too
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Ruj tammudu, chinchesaav!

missed this thread last couple of days.. and it makes me sick to read supporters stooping to the level of attributing purity and "prestine" to nudity in his paiting after painting of hindu gods. <ikkada>

And one comment caught my eye: eppdo 70s lo vesina paitings meeda 90s lo lolli chesthunnaru ani evaroo baaadha paddaaru.. Only in 90s his art became accessible to the populace. In 70s, it was accessible to only these so called pseudo sickos or tholu-mandam elite hindus. So no one cared then...

I am glad at least in 90s this sick dog got what he deserved.

My last post on this pervert.
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I still dont understand how a naked woman depicts pure Lakshmi or Pravathi when he doesnt understand what they actually mean


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he is a staunch devotee of hitler like he is for hindu gods..hence u see the commonality here..
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i read that.....iwhile answering a question about why he painted Hitler naked....

he said....i hated him.....so wanted to humiliate him.....by painting him naked.....

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Out of the four leaders M. Gandhi is decapitated and Hitler is naked. Hussain hates Hitler and has said in an interview 8 years ago that he has depicted Hitler naked to humiliate him and as he deserves it ! How come Hitler’s nudity cause humiliation when in Hussain’s own statement nudity in art depicts purity and is in fact an honour ! This shows Hussain’s perversion and hypocrisy.
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http://budhan.wordpress.com/2010/04/25/m-f-hussains-painting s/

ofcourse this is from a site.....which is complaining about MF...
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Durga Devi bhaktulu hurt ayite Islamic Qatar citizenship teeskuntaar anamaata

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Telugu_times:


Godhra train caught fire, when the devotees were making Tea
indian masaala chai anta





ee joke esindi yevval BABA garu?
CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER
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aa u tube loo comment

"It is a tragedy that he was allowed to leave India without his bones being broken and heart being ripped open.

Now that he is a Qatar citizen, may be he can paint naked pics of Allah, and Allah's family - wife / daughter in a lesbian setting and see what happens to his pathetic existence."
CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER
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I am not offendeded at all by his paintings at all ,when compared to the double standard sickulars he is alright ..
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Ruj dolling .. super post esaav ..
Digvijay Singh has acquired the image of being the only real Muslim leader of the Congress, an honour that Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel once conferred, and not without a touch of sarcasm, on Jawaharlal Nehru.
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Ruj:

hitler potrayed nude--- he is a staunch devotee of hitler like he is for hindu gods..hence u see the commonality here..anything he respects and reveres only those were depicted naked in the obsecne manner



Ruj:

his mother- completely covered in a dress..he probably doesnt like her...hence she is covered.



Ruj:

some abdul painting every one is covered---- lol I think he doesn't like muslims at all




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Zulu:

hinduthva vadi gadi kullipoyina burra


sivaraki nuvvu kuda ..
Digvijay Singh has acquired the image of being the only real Muslim leader of the Congress, an honour that Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel once conferred, and not without a touch of sarcasm, on Jawaharlal Nehru.
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ee lanzaa kodukki tribute ante naaku ekkadam ledu.. art ni art laa soodaal ante first start with your relizion ba$tard..
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Ruj:


amma denemma ruj annai post adiripoindhi

intha knowledge unnodu himayatnagar la bachelor ga unnodani marketting sethaa inka mee intiki offers will flood antheee
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6BA-C9z-uc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4rNi0m-Q0U&feature=related
Congress, the worst thing ever to happen to Bharat
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to all those hussain haters..

sarawasthi devi potrayed nude..
lakshmi devi potrayed nude..
lord krisna potrayed nude..
ganga potrayed nude..yamuna potrayed naked -------- u corrupted minds..he was only tring to potray them as a symbol of purity blended with innocence and pristine beauty showered with intellecutal praise all over..hope u don't take this paintings at the face value and make sure u understand the clever intention and the magnamous philosophy behind the great artist and his work..


lord laxmi potrayed nude with an elephant face person(probably ganesha) between her legs--- this is ancient art personified with juxaposition style...all he wanted to show was his due respect to ganesha and laxmi..

in one picture naked lord shiva gropes parvathi's breasts ------wow srungararasam at its best..reviving ancient hindu arts...way to go hussain....

in one more picture lord hanuma is nude and then on the side there is a couple who are in a sexual pose ---- this is just to show lord hanuma is a brahmachari and has nothing to do with sex..

and then one more picture ravan is naked, hanuma is naked and a naked lady(probably sita) sitting on ravan's lap ------ purity purity purity written all over..

bharata mata potrayed nude on more than 2 occasions ---- first one was about china attacking india...a symbolic representation to show pure mother india is being raped..next time was when pakistan terrorists attacked india..third time probably was about indian politcians raping mother india of all its wealth..we see it every day right..he echoed the same through this magnificient piece of art..

durga potrayed in a sexual pose with lion---u filthy pervert minds..juxta position is his style..err well I do understand most of his paintings, those mentioned above or even the others don't have that style..but still it is his style..

a painting named Shiva rathri..bull is juxtaposed with a lady(probably parvathi) and a man watching it(probably shiva)..
and then in one more a vanara naked(probably hanuma) and a naked lady hanging on his tail------remember depection of purity..

hitler potrayed nude--- he is a staunch devotee of hitler like he is for hindu gods..hence u see the commonality here..anything he respects and reveres only those were depicted naked in the obsecne manner, err I mean what looks like obscenity but in fact has an age old scentific philosophy behind it..

and now coming to fatima- she is clad in burqa because it is her only identifier like chakra for lord krishna..err i mean I know krishna was depicted nude but again remember he is a staunch devotee and it was only depiction of purity in that case..

his mother- completely covered in a dress..he probably doesnt like her...hence she is covered...no attempt here to revive any philosophical art..too bad..

islam - a scripture is potrayed
holi - half naked gilrs dancing is potrayed -----he doesnt like islam..he likes holi..

some abdul painting every one is covered---- lol I think he doesn't like muslims at all..

hope this provides an alternative perception, and makes u think twice before jumping to any hate mongering conclusions on the great reviver of ancient hindu culture marthaa focker hussain...it doesnt matter a whit to hussain even if u think otherwise..


to all those hussain lovers,

as far as I'm concerned being a substandard non clever soul, hussain comes across as a bloody bigot to me..and his supporters as arrogant liberals who hopelessly attempt to prove they r up for humanity,idealism and they r different..

god save hindus

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kurrollu kaka meeda unnattunnaru..malli nannu sikular..liberal..and inka evo artham kani padalatho branding chese mundey cheppesthunna..

I am not offended by Hussian's painting's because I am not that religious..I am also not offended by the fact that he is driven out of the country because I dont care much for him or his brand of modern art..

but 70's lo vesina painting ki 1996 lo godava chayyatam anedi mathram comical.
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Zulu:

My already answered this question..Modern art canvas chala limited..cinema laga..book laga kadu, I consider it inefficient to create any social unrest


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oka news paper editor, normal picture esthey...vaadini lepesindru
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Kamal:

. mohamata padakunda sollu




nuvvu first mohamatapadakunda 'goddess durga having sex with a tiger' title pettina hinduthva vadi gadi kullipoyina burra meeda opinion pettu..tharvatha matladatha.
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Telugu_times:


what if the godava started in 1970?
communal riots jaragaledhu kaabatti....ippudu manam edhainaa maatladocchu
okavela jarigi untay? poyina praanalu thirigi vosthaayaa? bhalay septhunnaav gaa?




My already answered this question..Modern art canvas chala limited..cinema laga..book laga kadu, I consider it inefficient to create any social unrest..

1996 lo manvallu "M.F.Hussian-painter or Butcher' ani manchi catchy title etti tv9 type lo modalupettaru. I guess the intent is very obvious here.

Nenu Hussain ki social reponsibility unda leda..ani judge cheyyatledu..I am just saying that his medium is just far too ineffective.
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Zulu:

TT brother..aa paintings vesindi 1970 lo..godava start ayyindi 1996 lo



what if the godava started in 1970?
communal riots jaragaledhu kaabatti....ippudu manam edhainaa maatladocchu
okavela jarigi untay? poyina praanalu thirigi vosthaayaa? bhalay septhunnaav gaa?
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Zulu:

TT brother..aa paintings vesindi 1970 lo..godava start ayyindi 1996 lo..20 odd years evadu pattinchukoledu..etuvanti social unrest ledu..

manvallaki 1996 lo sudden ga hindu akula katta gurthochindi..lol



1970 lo vesindi 1996 lo point out cheste case ledu antaav??? mari 2006 lo nude Bharata Mata vesthe case unda? parledu .. mohamata padakunda sollu
Digvijay Singh has acquired the image of being the only real Muslim leader of the Congress, an honour that Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel once conferred, and not without a touch of sarcasm, on Jawaharlal Nehru.
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Telugu_times:

Asalu social responsibility undadha....artists ki?
communal riots ayi, oka 100 mandhi pothey....eee puskee artist gaallu em jesthaaro?
asalay mana desham lo, saddham gaadini uri theesthey...bangalore lo curphews, stabbings and rapes




TT brother..aa paintings vesindi 1970 lo..godava start ayyindi 1996 lo..20 odd years evadu pattinchukoledu..etuvanti social unrest ledu..

manvallaki 1996 lo sudden ga hindu akula katta gurthochindi..lol

modern art ni evadu pattinchukodu, it is restricted to very minir segment of elitist group..it is not as effective as a movie or a book to easy rile up people's passion..unless you deliberately want to.
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Asalu social responsibility undadha....artists ki?
communal riots ayi, oka 100 mandhi pothey....eee puskee artist gaallu em jesthaaro?
asalay mana desham lo, saddham gaadini uri theesthey...bangalore lo curphews, stabbings and rapes
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Anand_n:

I wanted to give an alternate interpretation from the art perspective...
And also hopefully make people think twice about taking the cleverly compiled art photos with malicious captions at face value.





unfortunately it did not...atleast not to me... none of the explanations provided in the article or the posts supporting that article were even close to making any sense....brahmin-sultan picture was the only exception..
selective nude potrayal of only hindu dieties/gods(there are atleast 15 paintings or even more) in an obscene manner... and an attempt by hussain fans here on trying to passing it off as a cleverly compiled/revival of ancient art makes me flabbergasted..

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Ishan:

argument win kavadaaniki naa meeda abhaandaalu esthunnaru...




Idi oka battleground , deenilo winning /losing

Everything is not about winning or losing - Sometimes it is about putting another perspective on the table- I did not even see an argument there and you attributed motives to my response to your post :-)

You all win - I concede victory :-)
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Jujung:

he (or his exhibitors) didn't kill anyone or force anyone to buy/watch his stuff.. freedom for expression doesn't mean anything if it doesn't include the freedom for offending expression.. if all expression was to be within the parameters of some predefined limits, there wouldn't be any new art.. whether that new art would become successful are not would depend on how many would patronize it, on their own volition




Movies are also considered art ,so can you please explain me why certin movies censored ? No matter whatever the type art it is censorship is necessary for our society to become morally amd socially healthy
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Anand_n:

And also hopefully make people think twice about taking the cleverly compiled art photos with malicious captions at face value...



hahaha .. aa bommalu vesindi Hussain aithe .. compile chesi .. babu .. these are offensive to us .. withdraw chesukondi annavallavi .. clever and cunning acts !!! paiga malicious captions at face value .. !!! wow .. super ...

India lo putti .. Indians resources vaadukuni perigina vaadu evadanna ee vidham ga paint cheste .. adi malicious kaadu kada !!
Digvijay Singh has acquired the image of being the only real Muslim leader of the Congress, an honour that Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel once conferred, and not without a touch of sarcasm, on Jawaharlal Nehru.
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Anand_n:


You said he does not have the intimacy to protray Durga- I asked why he can't ?


You totally hijacked my point. DOES ki CAN ki difference ledaa pinni gaaru? A muslim can be a devotee of Durga but MF was not, at least he never said he was. His paintings were drawn from art point of view - he painted them as an artist; but my contention is that besides being an artist one needs to be a staunch devotee to have that kind of intimacy to draw pictures like that.

Anand_n:


Meeru non-hindu artist ki hindu deities, Mother Goddess ni portray chese arhata ledu, atleast not equally with "staunch" hindus antunnaru


As usual, argument win kavadaaniki naa meeda abhaandaalu esthunnaru...i never said that - every one has right to express, but one needs to understand the limits of the expression; doesnt matter if he is a hindu or muslim. By staunch hindus, i meant they were real devotees, not some self-centered artists.
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You and I are at opposite poles in interpreting his art.. discuss chesina okari view inkokallaki ardham kadu :-)Have a good evening :-)
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jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Ishan:

lol - MF is a devotee of Durga ani vithanda vaadam chesethe nenu cheppedemi ledu.




I have no idea what his beliefs were and I do not presume to know them either. I do think he was a great artist and I do not believe such creativity and the kind of malice people attribute him can co-exist :-)

You said he does not have the intimacy to protray Durga- I asked why he can't ? It was a philosophical question...devotion need not be to a particular deity , devotion unte chalu, Mother Goddess anugraham andutundi ani na nammakam- even to non-hindus:-)

Meeru non-hindu artist ki hindu deities, Mother Goddess ni portray chese arhata ledu, atleast not equally with "staunch" hindus antunnaru:-)

Reminded me of someone else here saying mukka tinevallaki hindu scriptures gurinchi matlade arhata ledu :-)

Rendu views ki na mind lo pedda difference ledu :-)

Everyone,

I am out of here :-)

I wanted to give an alternate interpretation from the art perspective...
And also hopefully make people think twice about taking the cleverly compiled art photos with malicious captions at face value...

It matters a whit to MF Hussain now if you all appreciate him or not - bhakti undo ledo ayina vesina Shakti decide chestundi :-)
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if he believes in scriptures, he has to believe it fully. and express it openly when people protested.

lakshmi is feminine energy doesnt necessarily mean has a human body and he is free to draw pornographic images

lakshmi is "matter" of the universe. and is considered the consort of the vishnu. and definitely it is something respected by the hindus. and painters who are devotees themselves painted lakshmi with motherly respect

its quite obvious that no matter how pure you think your mother is, you dont want a muslim painter to paint her naked

if this MF had the same kind of reverence towards his mother, why didnt he paint her naked and show it to the world?

he had bad intentions......no doubts about that
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Ishan:

MF is a devotee of Durga



Godhra train caught fire, when the devotees were making Tea
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lol - MF is a devotee of Durga ani vithanda vaadam chesethe nenu cheppedemi ledu...For him, Hindu gods were visual treats rather than sacred deities.

Reviving Indian art? biggest joke. He was an ordinary artist trying to attract attention by making controversial paintings, as simple as that. Indian art dont need artists like him for revival. Naked sculptures temples meeda veyyinchadaaniki oka purpose vundi...That was the symbolism maintained by royal patrons who were staunch hindus.
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Cocanada:

Aa vishayam meeru confirm chesaaru




Ledu ani meeru confirm chesaru kada ...continue if that's what you want to see and believe:-)

You found the interpretation of the guy who gave an osbscene label to the Durga sketch believable over mine too - so there is no point arguing about interpretations :-)
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Dreamcatcher:

This all looks to me like we are interpreting the images to suit to our arguments.



Dreamcatcher:


How many muslims are hounded in India just because they are muslims? I have seen so many muslims who do bad things and hide behind the veil of religion in spite of money/name/fame/respect given to them by society. Azhar is just one example, country gave him so much, still used religion card at the end when he was finally caught with all his misdeeds.



Cocanada:


MF Hussain gaadiki Durga devi meeda bhakti



naaku 10 crores offer ichi nammu anna kuda nammalenu .. he is such a repeat offender ..
Digvijay Singh has acquired the image of being the only real Muslim leader of the Congress, an honour that Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel once conferred, and not without a touch of sarcasm, on Jawaharlal Nehru.
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Ishan:

But has MF earned that intimacy with Durga? He is not a devotee, he is not even a Hindu.



Anand_n:


Do we know that ? Oka non-hindu ki mother goddess to intimacy raadu ane rule e scripture lo undi ?



MF Hussain gaadiki Durga devi meeda bhakti
Aa vishayam meeru confirm chesaaru
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Dreamcatcher:

This all looks to me like we are interpreting the images to suit to our arguments.




Ee thread lo first post lo cheppindi ade :-)We all see what we choose to see-You have your take, I have mine :-)
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Bushu:

almost agree with this except for his final act. why did he abscond to some muslim nation? was his life really under threat in India?




I read an account of how he desperately wanted to come back to India -he is quoted as saying he did not want to die on foreign land and wanted to return-...Hindu India told him he is unwelcome - a Muslim country offered him a safe haven and a huge project.What would you do in his position ?:-)

Manam prasantamga undanivvamu , inkekkadiki vella kudadu ante elaga :-)
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Anand_n:

Fatima depicted in burqa - burqa is the only identifier for her, like mother tersa's saree is for her, Krsna's chakra and mira's white garb is for her- he uses metaphors in images




Vaakey, mari bramhin ki panchey veyyachu kada? Bramhin ki maatram identifier kanipinchaleda?

This all looks to me like we are interpreting the images to suit to our arguments. Nature, pristine, etc when we have to reason the lack of clothing, and identity, etc when we have to support the other side. I bet he could have found same identity for those characters as well if he thought of putting clothes on them.


Anand_n:

It is our misfortune that we let his last name block our understanding of his art...




Wow, didn't expect this. How many muslims are hounded in India just because they are muslims? I have seen so many muslims who do bad things and hide behind the veil of religion in spite of money/name/fame/respect given to them by society. Azhar is just one example, country gave him so much, still used religion card at the end when he was finally caught with all his misdeeds.
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Anand_n:

The mistake of Hussain was his love for the country - trying to revive Indian art thru the cultural motifs and philosophies that he understood were germane to the country - instead of copying western or non-connected subjects...It is our misfortune that we let his last name block our understanding of his art...




almost agree with this except for his final act. why did he abscond to some muslim nation? was his life really under threat in India?
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assalu ithanu mana devulla bommalu giyyatam start chesinappudey vonga betti nalugu guddhulu guddalsindi, first lo baga vunnayi ani offensive ga levu ani light teesukuney sariki, ranu ranu raju gurram gadidha type lo thana pythyam bayata pettadu it as simple as that.
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Ishan:

But who is doing that is important.



Ishan:

But has MF earned that intimacy with Durga? He is not a devotee, he is not even a Hindu.




Do we know that ? Oka non-hindu ki mother goddess to intimacy raadu ane rule e scripture lo undi ?

Coming to nudity - it is used as a metaphor for many things in art not just erotica.

It is a symbol for purity - the pristine natural state, a symbol for vulnerability,innocence, oneness with nature - idi digambaralani pujinche Hindus ki telise undali ...

Mother Goddess is Prakriti - the ultimate pristine,pure, feminine- she does not need the artifice of clothing...ee concept Hussain pioneer cheyyaledu - mana temple arts lone untundi ...

Fatima depicted in burqa - burqa is the only identifier for her, like mother tersa's saree is for her, Krsna's chakra and mira's white garb is for her- he uses metaphors in images - oka painting lo Gandhi decapitated ani label vesi pamparu - well the person totally missed the significance of charkha in place of the head ...

Ika brahmin sultan - painting ni aa article lo writer chala chakkaga explain chesadu - the innocent hindu culture totally ignorant of the sword wielding, cruel looking sultan ... anti-hindu , I think not :-)

The mistake of Hussain was his love for the country - trying to revive Indian art thru the cultural motifs and philosophies that he understood were germane to the country - instead of copying western or non-connected subjects...It is our misfortune that we let his last name block our understanding of his art...
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Problem here is, he repeatedly painted only certain characters naked. If nude painting was his style, then he wouldn't have discriminated between the characters. That pattern of painting only Hindu religious figures naked is troublesome. I am all for giving him benefit of the doubt, but he did this time and again after repeated objections from a section of the society. That is not something anybody can ignore.
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Too much generalization chesaaru. Sorry for not being clear before but I never interpreted that that tiger and durga were in sexual act. My problem is that Durga was depicted naked.

The act of depiction itself is not a problem. But who is doing that is important.

"Evadabba sommu ramachandra" ani Ramadasu ramunni thidithe manaki kopam raadu, because he earned that intimacy with him - because he is a great devotee.

Lingam in yoni is the symbol of creation of this nature - that symbolism has come out of devotion and is revered.

But has MF earned that intimacy with Durga? He is not a devotee, he is not even a Hindu. Just because he is a great artist and our country is all for artistic freedom, he cant choose gods as his subjects. This is true especially when he is in to such art style that depicts people naked so often.

chass nannu perverted antaaraa...i hurt...i am kitting this thread
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Vaarni, ee thread vanda kottesinda?


Anand_n:




Anta baane undandi, ee painting meeda mee comment enti?

http://bharatendu.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/brahmin-and-su ltan.jpg?w=255&h=346

Why does bramhin need to be portrayed nude?

Inka Hanuman series lo, time and again, seeta ni naked ga paint chesaadu, that too with Hanuman. Avasarama?

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00routesdata/14 00_1499/bhakti/hansuperman/hansuperman.html
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Anand_n:

That sketch to me depicts Shakti at her ferocious best - Durga with her tiger moving as one entity at lightning speed -see the transition shown by multiple heads raining arrows in all directions
Aa sketch ni chusi anta asahyamaina alochana vachi ala label chesi circulate chesina person is perverted, not the artist's in that case atleast ! Asalu Aa title lekunda Durga sketch ni chusi meeku Aa thought vastunda ani oka sari introspect chesukondi - if you say that's what you see I'll stop here !
Linganike enno metaphors cheppe hindu culture lo ee sketch ni sex ki relegate cheyyatam dourbhagyam




Anand garu great post. migatha paintings sangathi naku theliyadu kani E particular painting mathram chala wrong intepretation icharu 'goddess durga in sexual union with tiger' ani..naku ala anipinchaledu.
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Ishan/Ruj/Kamal,
Durga:-) ee okka sketch chalu to identify the hate- mongering and give the benefit of doubt to Hussain :-)

As some one said Hussain never explained his paintings ... It is only titled Durga.. Hussain's style is always juxtaposition of figures by sharing /merging boundaries ...

That sketch to me depicts Shakti at her ferocious best - Durga with her tiger moving as one entity at lightning speed -see the transition shown by multiple heads raining arrows in all directions :-)
Aa sketch ni chusi anta asahyamaina alochana vachi ala label chesi circulate chesina person is perverted, not the artist's in that case atleast ! Asalu Aa title lekunda Durga sketch ni chusi meeku Aa thought vastunda ani oka sari introspect chesukondi - if you say that's what you see I'll stop here !
Linganike enno metaphors cheppe hindu culture lo ee sketch ni sex ki relegate cheyyatam dourbhagyam :-(
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To me Art is not just about aesthetic values, beauty or representation of humane values. To me art is about expression, it can be window in the to the darker corners of a persons or cultures state of emotion.

A gothic art, or a tribal art might not be the most aesthetic to look at, but it still represents the artists expression in his state of mind.

To me it is unacceptable to think that a piece of art is to be appreciated by everyone the same way.

I dont know what was in M F Hussains mind.. to me if it offends its the viewers problem, but to expect every viewer to like him is nonsensical.

Srinathudi lanti varike sexist ane remark thappaledhu, for his most work populus work Sringara Naishadham considered as THE BEST among the pancha kavyas of telugu literature.. it doesnt make him a lesser literary giant.
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ok nite nite....if time permits, repu evening choostha.....

ee confused mind ki nee clear thoughts inkaa ardham avvatledu....if possible, summary pettu....akkadanunchi start cheyyochchu...

bye bye bye...turning off the comp now...
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whether that new art would become successful are not would depend on how many would patronize it, on their own volition
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and the failure might depend on how deeply someone is out to destroy them....

wherez the problem again?
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so if majority is taliban and they rule, Taliban is ok?

one last time....is it about democracy and majority?....or is it about freedom of expression?

BTW, nee other posts lo matter ignore chesaavaa?
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Ishan:

Taliban's example is a wrong one for many reasons.



how?


Pplsuck:

end of the day artistic freedoms are bound by majority and should not offend majority antaav?



comprehension? convenient deduction aa...
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Ishan,

you confused soul...you dunno nothing...ippudochchi nee confusion vachchi teerchi dobbuthaadu le....keep waiting....

kikiki.......ippudu kurrodu emotional about the thread more than about liberalism and artistic freedom....

better I run away I guess........most people booothulu dobbuthaaru....very few are sensible enough to accept the fallacy in their logic....
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haha.. after i pressed post, i was wondering if you'll raise this point.. right on target.. i jumped a couple of points in the flow.. that's all there is.. don't get too excited

it's all about freedom.. freedom to express, freedom to trade and freedom to rule.. everything governed by the same logic.. you yourself quoted my own earlier statement


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whether that new art would become successful are not would depend on how many would patronize it, on their own volition



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>>>>>>>
if anyone is confused here, it's clear who it is..
>>>>>>>>>>>>

malla idokati........arrogance kooda not bound by any limits.....enthainaa liberals kadaa....they can afford that luxury...
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The moment we stop any new stuff intrude the "sentimental realms of people", the decline of the civilization is set in motion..


naaah it does not. "express anything out of the perceived norm" is different from intruding sentimental realm. There are sets of beliefs, lets say superstitions - you go and disprove them, then you are progressive, you actually are expanding and that's good. But there are certain things which are beyond logic - like love and devotion- you can never prove or disprove them - its just a matter of feeling. People cherish those feelings, they nurture them and many, live for them. That makes them very personal and you don't want to insult them.

You don't need to hurt others feelings to sustain civilization. its a wrong thought. On the contrary, civilization succumbs when sentimentality or emotionalism are destroyed. Civilization survives solely because of love and faith.

Taliban's example is a wrong one for many reasons.
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inkoka hour aalochinchi edo oka post veseyi....last poster wins I guess....

steering wheel total turn tippesaav.......end of the day artistic freedoms are bound by majority and should not offend majority antaav? others are saying it might have to endure the reactions of minority too....

anthenaa? or am I confused again by your super smart intellectual posts?

ee secular liberal batch naa valla kaadu....I am done here.....they don't even know their own basis....
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achcha it about popularity and democracy naa? vachesaava ground meedaki?....good, Im sure your posts will be sensible going forward....

I thought its about artistic liberties, freedoms, civilizations and whatever bongu boshaanam nonsense by reading these posts...

>>>>>>>>>
The moment we stop any new stuff intrude the "sentimental realms of people", the decline of the civilization is set in motion.. it's not my claim that this particular art has some redeeming value to uplift the society or anything, but my whole point is this mentality to ban/hound people who express anything out of the perceived norm is dangerous and should be nipped in the bud..
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>
if all expression was to be within the parameters of some predefined limits, there wouldn't be any new art.
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freedom for expression doesn't mean anything if it doesn't include the freedom for offending expression.. if all expression was to be within the parameters of some predefined limits, there wouldn't be any new art.. whether that new art would become successful are not would depend on how many would patronize it, on their own volition..
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yeah right...I am the confused one.....oorikey oopudekkuva posts veyyadam....marchipodam....ee maathram daaniki aa self destroying fire brand posts enduku?
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why only ideas? not everybody is an artist....so some people express their anguish in different ways....




express cheyyataniki artist ee kanavasaram ledu.. writer avvachu, or plain matladochu kooda.. and the most popular guy wins.. ade democracy antaranukuntaa..

abbe ledu.. maku popular ayye manchi qualities emi levu.. nalugurni eskuni gelichinodini champesi memu rajyameltham ante adi democracy kaadu.. ee african militia dictatorship oo avutundi..

if anyone is confused here, it's clear who it is..

@kamal,
adi moment of anguish kaadu.. if you ask him now, i am sure he'll stand by what he said..
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Bushu:

kaabothey female figures ni eppudoo alaa nude gaa esthadu, maybe for his style, he needs to show the body parts in such manner.



lol .. prophet .. 4rth wife fatima bomma esinappudu matram ee rule marchipoyaadu anukunta .. chakka ga burkha lo kappesaadu aa ammayini ..
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clearly he was fascinated with the Hindu culture. manasika hindu aa manishi, doubt ledhu. I dont find the rape of india painting offensive at all.




kindha ichina linklo asalu main offensive painting levu
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ledhu le, he is a pretty good artist. kaabothey female figures ni eppudoo alaa nude gaa esthadu, maybe for his style, he needs to show the body parts in such manner. jujung ichina link lo konni works aithe beautiful and his tendency to paint anyone including hanuman, ganesha in the nude is there to see.

clearly he was fascinated with the Hindu culture. manasika hindu aa manishi, doubt ledhu. I dont find the rape of india painting offensive at all.
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Conservatives ki liberals tho problem untey ok....bcoz they belive in restrictions and rules for the society to work....so its natural that they can have reservations about something...

Liberals should accept conservatives.....bcoz they are all about acceptance....just like gays, mf hussains are acceptable to them, conservatives are also one form of expression......

when they have a problem with anyone, they have a problem with themselves....they are not true liberals......

bottomline, liberals better find their intellectual self-deceit groups and stick to them.......keep lying to each other and live happily...once they come out of the closet, they may need to face the reality/truth of life and may not stand a chance....
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Bushu:

would we be OK if these paintings were indeed done by a Hindu and not a muslim?



no .. eppudaina unacceptable ee ..
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Onlytruth:

http://bharatendu.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/brahmin-and-su ltan.jpg?w=255&h=346



serial offender .. donga naa koduku ..

aadi hatred ni art peru tho .. aadu abuse chesina freedom ki .. aadini yevadu champi dobbaledu ante .. antha kante tolerant society inkoti undadu ..
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would we be OK if these paintings were indeed done by a Hindu and not a muslim?
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http://bharatendu.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/brahmin-and-su ltan.jpg?w=255&h=346
http://youtu.be/efZRhH6CXuE
watch till end
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Pplsuck:

when secular liberals forget the basics and call for extreme liberalism, they are the worst possible extremists with confused minds in the name of idealism....



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I think its people with slave mentality that come up with such non-sense......just to feel that they are different, they forget what they are supporting.....

BTW, I support MF Hussain's right to paint :D.......so don't try making it a dual with me....

fight your own duality....
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ideas and ideals are good....but therez something called common sense...

when secular liberals forget the basics and call for extreme liberalism, they are the worst possible extremists with confused minds in the name of idealism....
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that's extreme enough in my books.. and i don't deny anybody's right to extremism as long as it is in the realm of ideas.. such ideas will always be countered by other ideas and hopefully defeated in a robust democracy..



come on .. after all, it was a "moment of anguish" that some verbal tirade was carried .. if someone can paint a mother nude .. somebody would be saner enough to just wish him death .. whats the big deal? you cannot choose limits as per your convenience and liking .. after all democracy gives equal voice to everyone's freedom of expression .. !!! I am sure you agree how people behave in moments of anguish ..
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>>>>>
as long as it is in the realm of ideas.
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why only ideas? not everybody is an artist....so some people express their anguish in different ways....

as a liberal, that should be acceptable to you......how come MF Hussain gets a free pass to express himself in his own way, but other lesser humans don't get to express themselves??

if I were you, either I support both MF Hussain's art expression and the subsequent expression by the mobs......

or else people might see hypocrisy and the tag "Secular Liberal" is not very palatable in these woods.....
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Kamal:

why were you so intolerant that you resorted to call people extremists when nobody abused you





Vjavasi:

that baxstard would have been trampled to death




that's extreme enough in my books.. and i don't deny anybody's right to extremism as long as it is in the realm of ideas.. such ideas will always be countered by other ideas and hopefully defeated in a robust democracy..
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from the article which you have clearly not yet read:
"let us also look again at Husain's supposedly insulting painting of Bharatamata. She is shown in this like a vulnerable mother with ghungharu tied on her feet and she is being charged at by mad bulls, and the painting is torn from the middle in two pieces upside down. This one Husain had painted day after the Ghazi attack on Mumbai, and had titled "Rape of India". One who can not understand the anguish of the painter in it and rather takes it as insult to Bharatmata, has little understanding of art."



nenu ee article matrame chadavaledu .. meeru hussain painting chudakunda ne support chestunnaru .. I am giving you the exact painting and tell me where is the above description apt???

http://www.hindujagruti.org/activities/campaigns/national/mf hussain-campaign/paintings.php

1st painting chusi cheppandi ..
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but it's undeniably true that there are significant sections of the society which had the same feelings



when you are surrounded by those people...oka chempa ki inko chempa concept work kaadhu.
you have to protect your identity.
It is like....it is ok to convert into my religion from pakka religion....BUT naa religion nunchi pakka religion ki pothey...sampettham...
what happens after 2-3 centuries? whole area becomes one religion like pak, afgan and bangla
same thing .......
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Jujung:

but my whole point is this mentality to ban/hound people who express anything out of the perceived norm is dangerous and



Jujung:

should be nipped in the bud..



intolerance cannot be a one-way street in the name of liberalism ..
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Jujung:

One who can not understand the anguish of the painter in it and rather takes it as insult to Bharatmata, has little understanding of art."


anguish aithe nude gaa endhuku paint eyatam? G balupaa aaadiki? vaadi ammani eskomanu nude gaaa.
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Ishan:

Art is a form of expressing an idea an emotion or state of affairs, but it must not intrude the sentimental realms of people.




The moment we stop any new stuff intrude the "sentimental realms of people", the decline of the civilization is set in motion.. it's not my claim that this particular art has some redeeming value to uplift the society or anything, but my whole point is this mentality to ban/hound people who express anything out of the perceived norm is dangerous and should be nipped in the bud..

afghanistan lo taliban interpreted and prescribed the norm as "all forms of imagery, music and sports, including television, are haraam".. and proceeded to destroy the Bamiyan buddhas.. you might say they are ruling by force or whatever, but it's undeniably true that there are significant sections of the society which had the same feelings..
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Kamal:

what about Bharata Mata???




from the article which you have clearly not yet read:
"let us also look again at Husain's supposedly insulting painting of Bharatamata. She is shown in this like a vulnerable mother with ghungharu tied on her feet and she is being charged at by mad bulls, and the painting is torn from the middle in two pieces upside down. This one Husain had painted day after the Ghazi attack on Mumbai, and had titled "Rape of India". One who can not understand the anguish of the painter in it and rather takes it as insult to Bharatmata, has little understanding of art."
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Any art is made based on aesthetic principles and I am not sure what principles MF followed or tried to express in those paintings. One need not be a right wing hindu nationalist to feel offended by those paintings. We worship Durga everyday; we celebrate perhaps the biggest festival in India on her name; We consider her as our mother; mother of all nature; she is ancient, mother of all mothers - so expecting a little respect for her is not too much to ask for.



annai .. sare .. MF Hussain does not have any respect for Hindu gods anukundaam .. no problemo .. what about Bharata Mata??? manam 'Vande Mataram' raasukunnadi aavida gurinche kada .. we sing the whole song in her praise for the bounty she blesses us with and keeps us happy .. alanti Bharata Mata ni nude ga paint cheyyadam enti? alanti thoughts ni, valla supporters ni kuda tolerate cheyyakudadu .. and I am proud some people, after giving Hussain enough chances to clean up, took to him to task ..
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Imagine we logging into a paki forum and defending that danish cartoons guy. address kanukkuni intiki vasthaaremo


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Jujung:

if all expression was to be within the parameters of some predefined limits, there wouldn't be any new art..


I will have to disagree on that. Art is a form of expressing an idea an emotion or state of affairs, but it must not intrude the sentimental realms of people. Greatest artists never had and never will have to resort to pick controversial subjects. Artistic freedom, just like any other freedom, must be accompanied by responsibility. We live in a society and should never forget that each and every act of us influence people around us.

Any art is made based on aesthetic principles and I am not sure what principles MF followed or tried to express in those paintings. One need not be a right wing hindu nationalist to feel offended by those paintings. We worship Durga everyday; we celebrate perhaps the biggest festival in India on her name; We consider her as our mother; mother of all nature; she is ancient, mother of all mothers - so expecting a little respect for her is not too much to ask for.

The interpretations shown in the link you provided are those of the author of the blog and not of MF's. MF never explained anything he drew. I never understood abstract art anyway so I cant judge how great of an artist he is.
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kurrod soft aathmahuthidalam laagaa vunnaadu, vadileyandi.



Congress MP Mani Shankar Aiyar gadu .. vaadini vaadu .. 'Liberal Fundamentalist' ani describe chesukuntadu ..
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kurrod soft aathmahuthidalam laagaa vunnaadu, vadileyandi.
Manaki Manam Kingu, Choosevallaki Bongu.
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please list down some points on which your ideas differ from those of the real talibans (multiple gods vs single god doesn't count.)



neeku nijam gaa ee thed lo manasika_talibans unte .. karanam lekapoyina ninnu upekshinchevaaru kaadu .. ippudu nuvvu ala pilichi kaaranam ichina kuda discuss cheyyadaniki ready ayyaru ..

btw .. any thoughts, why were you so intolerant that you resorted to call people extremists when nobody abused you .. even though you posted a matter that most people did not like at all???
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@ pseudo sickular arrogant napunsaka hijaras, kindly jot down certain pts on what freedom of expression is..can I abuse ur mother and say that is freedom of expression..
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arundhati roy is a good fiction writer and i am not..
mf husain is considered a good artist and i am not..



unfortunately, you share something with them .. branding people with a different mind as extremists .. I am sure you know that ..
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Jujung:

nobody has any right to control other people's thoughts/expressions..


oh yeahh..then he should have painted muhammad or his sisters. We don't have any problem with that and we don't want to control that and He's open to do that.
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ee LK gurinchi inka discuss chestunnara?
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Jujung:


@manasika_talibans



Kamal:

tatvika_maoists


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Kamal:

@tatvika_maoists - can some of you, psuedo liberals jot down how you differ from psychos like arundhati suzanne roy and mf hussain???




if you are implying me,
tatvik - maybe at times..
maoists - come on, even you must have realized by now that i am a greedy capitalist..

arundhati roy is a good fiction writer and i am not..
mf husain is considered a good artist and i am not..
The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery
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@tatvika_maoists - can some of you, psuedo liberals jot down how you differ from psychos like arundhati suzanne roy and mf hussain???
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@dreamcatcher and many others,
ofcourse, people can like/hate his paintings.. however, that doesn't give anybody any right to ban/physically hurt him.. nacchite choodali, lekapothe manukovali.. nobody has any right to control other people's thoughts/expressions..

@anand,
there is no reason for him to apologize for his paintings.. he (or his exhibitors) didn't kill anyone or force anyone to buy/watch his stuff.. freedom for expression doesn't mean anything if it doesn't include the freedom for offending expression.. if all expression was to be within the parameters of some predefined limits, there wouldn't be any new art.. whether that new art would become successful are not would depend on how many would patronize it, on their own volition..

@manasika_talibans,
please list down some points on which your ideas differ from those of the real talibans (multiple gods vs single god doesn't count.)
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Kamal:

kaani oka muslim .. against Hindu religion chesadu kabatti .. he can still find support in not just muslim conservatives .. but even secular liberals ..




white ki guilt undi ante ardham cheskovachu

manaki enduku guilt undalo naaku ardham kavatledu. infact, they should have guilt for the things they have done
When contacted,the producer of Hara Hara Mahadeva, Bellamkonda Suresh vehemently denied that these posters are copied.
Ala ela antaaru meeru (How can you say such a thing), he exclaimed.We never did such a thing,we got a photo shoot done, insisted Suresh.
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Film_fan:

aa sadwi ni thappinchesthunnava neat ga.....



enti tappinchedi annai??? sadhvi lu, swami la meeda cases petti gola chese batch ee .. ee hussain gaadi hatred ni support cheyyadam just co-incidence aa? I dont think so .. there is much more agenda to it ..
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M..F.. Hussain
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ide pani .. oka right winger chesi unte against Islam .. aadi meeda provocate material, inciting religious hatred, violence and arson ani CrPC lo cases etti .. non-bialable sections kinda arrest chesi harass chestaru .. kaani oka muslim .. against Hindu religion chesadu kabatti .. he can still find support in not just muslim conservatives .. but even secular liberals .
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nuvvu samanya illappa......
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ide pani .. oka right winger chesi unte against Islam .. aadi meeda provocate material, inciting religious hatred, violence and arson ani CrPC lo cases etti .. non-bialable sections kinda arrest chesi harass chestaru .. kaani oka muslim .. against Hindu religion chesadu kabatti .. he can still find support in not just muslim conservatives .. but even secular liberals ..

wah bhai wah .. kya jodi hai ..
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M.F hussain talent sangathemo kani hindu goddesses vishayam lo his artistic choices were arrogant and condescending towards all hindus.

Same artistic freedom thana own religion ayina islam meeda endhuku teesukoledu? Fatwa issue ayithundi anna bhayama leka bhakthi tho kudina bhayama?

West lo artists mana culture ni denigrate cheyatam veru ..india lo putti perigi.. hindus tho interact avuthu familiarity penchukuni still kachara cheyatam anedi oka lanti betrayal lantidi.. thats why majority of hindus wont forgive him.
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Cocanada:

Respect is the last thing he deserves


last thing kaadhu nothing. he doesn't deserve at all. lif anthaa manchigunnaa ani oka muder chesthe life long lopala esthaaru.
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MF Hussain is a painter version of our Posani
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this amounts to celebrity abuse.....

ofcourse.....posani....


posani......sorry cheppi oorukodu.......korada tho thanai kottukuni.......TV lo soopisthadu.........cameraman ni karichinaa karavocchu.....
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Bottom line. He is a fanatic anti-hindu muslim who could not control his hatred. He expressed it through his paintings.

And he never even felt apologetic about his mis deeds.

Respect is the last thing he deserves
When contacted,the producer of Hara Hara Mahadeva, Bellamkonda Suresh vehemently denied that these posters are copied.
Ala ela antaaru meeru (How can you say such a thing), he exclaimed.We never did such a thing,we got a photo shoot done, insisted Suresh.
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MF Hussain is a painter version of our Posani
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Dreamcatcher:

Would you apply the same yardstick to Puttaparthi Saibaba and give him the same benefit of doubt?




Search and check my posts on Sai baba :-)

Kingaa_bongaa:

anthenaa bottomline?



Kadu :-) But meeku ala ardham ayite nenu cheppedi emi ledu :-)
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Anand_n:

Hmm - I read that in one of his obituary pieces that he did apologise..could be wrong info on part of that writer if you are so sure he did not.




sare benifit of doubt mf kurrod ke ichedaam.. aplogise chesina taravatha..
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Maverick:

he never did that.




Hmm - I read that in one of his obituary pieces that he did apologise..could be wrong info on part of that writer if you are so sure he did not.


Kamal:

kaani .. my point is .. simply denying the amount of heart burn a lot of Indians experienced due to those cheap paintings




Agree on that point ...those paintings were offensive and an apology was definitely in order and should have been pulled off display quickly and it would have quieted everything down quickly instead of dragging it out so long...that would have been the smart thing to do .
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Film_fan:

manaki ikkada pedda manushula antha knowledge.....judgement ledhu.....


peddha manushul ante context choosi benifit of doubt ichevaallaaa?
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manaki ikkada pedda manushula antha knowledge.....judgement ledhu.....

but....

4/5 paintings of many thousands aina sarey........he crossed his limits.....by doing nude paintings of other religion goddesses......

then.....he never apologised....even after the uproar......


once the issue started burning...someone tried to cover him under muslim tag....that he is being attacked......


its not that people hated him right from the start........but when didnt like his work and feel offended.....doesnt he have a responsibility to raise his hand and say sorry......

only chappatley kaavali........antey ela?

and this hiding behind......artisitic freedom....is a shame.....and stooping to a very low level (in my opinion)........
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Indian art peru tho aadi amma ni aadi baaamma ni nude gaa veskomanandi
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Anand_n:

Meeru Indian art eppudu gamaninchinattu leru


basic gaa nenoka mettagaadni, meeku annee thelsu kabatti aadni appreciate chesthunnaaru, anthenaa bottomline?
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Anand_n:

So you have yor take, I have mine :-) If in your minds it makes you all better hinduism/hindutva-loving, more patriotic people than me - so be it




We ain't trying to figure out who is better than who. :-)


Anand_n:

1980s lo vesina 5-6 pieces meda manishini judge cheyyatam, ignoring all his work prior and after, does not make sense to me




Would you apply the same yardstick to all? Would you apply the same yardstick to Puttaparthi Saibaba and give him the same benefit of doubt?
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Jake_ryan:

In my culture, I treat my country as my mother and my goddesses are my mothers.



Digvijay Singh has acquired the image of being the only real Muslim leader of the Congress, an honour that Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel once conferred, and not without a touch of sarcasm, on Jawaharlal Nehru.
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>>I recall reading he did - ekkado link unde untundi

he never did that.
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Anand_n:

Based on the larger body of his substantial work rooted in the hindu culture before and after those pieces:-)




Can you please show me what work this guy did based on the hindu culture?

And one more thing: Yes. It makes me to feel more patriotic and hindu than you for bashing him because: In my culture, I treat my country as my mother and my goddesses are my mothers. And he paited them obscene. And he never apologiged but hid behind artistic freeedom mask.

If it makes you "secular" or "art-loving" or "elite" or whatever, then be it.
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Anand_n:




For your kind information, " He NEVER did that ".
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Anand_n:

If in your minds it makes you all better hinduism/hindutva-loving, more patriotic people than me - so be it



as trivial as it may sound .. we have no business judging you personally when we do not know who you are and what you stand for ..

kaani .. my point is .. in general, his supporters being vocal about extremely provocative and outrageous art is simply denying the amount of heart burn a lot of Indians experienced due to those cheap paintings .. you said he tendered an apology .. great to know .. why were those cheap paintings exhibited for so many years, even after he knew that people are protesting his work??? malli .. matham venakaala dakkunnadu art ni explain cheyyakunda .. oka section of people ni front line of defense chesadu .. saying he is targetted because he is a muslim type lo ..

emandi? is any body in India targetting Zakir Hussain? did any one target Bismillah Khan? is anyone targetting AR Rehman? then why MF Hussain ???

as I said earlier .. his other works, some of them were good .. but these clearly show his hatred/prejudice and venom for Hindus and their land ..
Digvijay Singh has acquired the image of being the only real Muslim leader of the Congress, an honour that Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel once conferred, and not without a touch of sarcasm, on Jawaharlal Nehru.
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Maverick:

atleast did he tender an apology




I recall reading he did - ekkado link unde untundi :-)

Maverick:

on what basis, you want to give him a benefit of doubt?



Based on the larger body of his substantial work rooted in the hindu culture before and after those pieces:-)

Kingaa_bongaa:

mimmalni judge gaa pedthe okka murderer ki kooda siksha padadhemo



Meeru Indian art eppudu gamaninchinattu leru :-)
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Sontha maatha(mother) ni matram traditional bomma vesukunnadu. Alagae sontha kulam lo lady ni kooda baaga traditional ga bomma vesukunnadu. Ade bharata maatha ni mariyu pakka kulam devudni matram nude/obscene ga vesadu lafoot gaadu. Mari antha pervert ga vadi amma/wife/sister or valla matham ladies bommalu ala vesukovachhu kada.
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Anand_n:

1980s lo vesina 5-6 pieces meda manishini judge cheyyatam, ignoring all his work prior and after, does not make sense to me


nenu oka naalugaidhu murders chesthaa, vadilesthaaraa? rest of the life manchi panulu chesthaaa pleaaze
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You know why he painted those things.
vaadi habit ayite...vaadi career lo chalaaaa nude paintings eyyaali kada...esaaadaa?
poni does any scripture suggest that goddess durga and her lion (naa noti tho nenu analenu)

what is the artistic reasoning behind bharata mata's nudity?

He hates India and Hindus. He rightfully died as a muslim in middle east. may his soul burn in hell for eternity

meeru maree "bad decision" ,"mistake" ani vaadini enakeskuni ostunnaru.
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Ala ela antaaru meeru (How can you say such a thing), he exclaimed.We never did such a thing,we got a photo shoot done, insisted Suresh.
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Anand_n:

1980s lo vesina 5-6 pieces meda manishini judge cheyyatam, ignoring all his work prior and after, does not make sense to me

Aa naalugu- aidu pieces e chuste agenda to vesaru anipistundi - but its not a recurrent theme in all his art - anduke, context, perspective, viewpoint and the visual metaphor used by the artist all become relevant in interpretation of art


mimmalni judge gaa pedthe okka murderer ki kooda siksha padadhemo
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>>1980s lo vesina 5-6 pieces meda manishini judge cheyyatam, ignoring all his work prior and after, does not make sense to me

Judge chesindi only aa pieces meede kaadu..atleast did he tender an apology and tried to explain his real intentions behind those pictures? on what basis, you want to give him a benefit of doubt?
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I do not think I have enough insight or evidence to brand him unpatriotic or anti-hindu... I find some of his art offensive but then everyone makes some bad judgement calls in life...

1980s lo vesina 5-6 pieces meda manishini judge cheyyatam, ignoring all his work prior and after, does not make sense to me:-)

Aa naalugu- aidu pieces e chuste agenda to vesaru anipistundi - but its not a recurrent theme in all his art - anduke, context, perspective, viewpoint and the visual metaphor used by the artist all become relevant in interpretation of art:-)

So you have yor take, I have mine :-) If in your minds it makes you all better hinduism/hindutva-loving, more patriotic people than me - so be it :-)
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athanu chesina thappu partiality chupinchadam... saraina explanation icchi vundalsindi... artistic freedom varaku naakemi thappu anipinchaledu.... kaani sensitive issues meeda explanations ivvaleka podantho... he was a bigot with faint heart ani anipustundi...
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Kamal:

.. brotherhood ni seklarism sruthi lo kalipi vadilesaaru ..


aa rape chesinollaki manollu context ruchi perspective words vaaadi benifit of doubt isthaaru.
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Kingaa_bongaa:


theen emma raathalu raasinandhuke tasleema ni kottaaru Hyd lo MoFos inka paintings esthe thagalabedthaar emo.



taslima goru asalu antha hate figure avvadaniki reason enti??? bongu lo .. aavida raasina first book is .. lajja .. its just a true story .. where bangaldeshi muslims raped Hindu women in 1971 .. antaku minchi .. aa book lo muslims ki against ga emi ledu .. nijam ga vallu emi chesaro ade raasindi .. kaani sodarulu .. nijam cheppi islam ni badnaam chestondi ani .. nana racha chesaru .. paiga badnaam ayyindi bangladeshi muslims aina kuda .. kolkata nunchi kutch daaka .. andaru muslims and their supporters tarimi kottaru .. brotherhood ni seklarism sruthi lo kalipi vadilesaaru ..
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Jupiter:

oka vella kampu batch ayina ... bomma kadhu kada geetha kuda geeyaledu ..


theen emma raathalu raasinandhuke tasleema ni kottaaru Hyd lo MoFos inka paintings esthe thagalabedthaar emo.

Kamal:

simple untruth .. if his intention is not to hurt .. and as claims he is an artist of human sensibilities .. the first thing he would have done is .. ask for a profound apology .. and then take those paintings away from exhibitions ..

he had no remorse .. even after people protested peacefully for 5-6 years .. all he and his supporters of liberal art did was .. pour vitriol over the protestors saying they are "extremists" .. an action that best shows what their artistic intentions are ..


right , no intention to hurt annappudu backoff avochugaa, balisi kottukuntunaadu. vaadiki thodu mana kojja politicians vunaarugaa licking chesthuune vuntaaru 24 gantalu.
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it was clearly not the painter�s intention to hurt or offend, nor was he a pervert nor a jehadi."



simple untruth .. if his intention is not to hurt .. and as claims he is an artist of human sensibilities .. the first thing he would have done is .. ask for a profound apology .. and then take those paintings away from exhibitions ..

he had no remorse .. even after people protested peacefully for 5-6 years .. all he and his supporters of liberal art did was .. pour vitriol over the protestors saying they are "extremists" .. an action that best shows what their artistic intentions are ..
Digvijay Singh has acquired the image of being the only real Muslim leader of the Congress, an honour that Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel once conferred, and not without a touch of sarcasm, on Jawaharlal Nehru.
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I would like opinion of art lovers on this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ

This art project has been put on display in various museums and won awards as well. I am not a christian and I can understand why they would be "pissed" off about this artist. By the same token, it does not take much to understand why Hindus would feel the same way about MF Hussain's paintings.
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Kingaa_bongaa:

so what is the context for the nude pictures? gods snanam chesthaaru kadhaa ante, vaadi gods snanam cheyyaraaa , kampu batch aaa adhi?




oka vella kampu batch ayina ... bomma kadhu kada geetha kuda geeyaledu ..
valla karma anthey .. valla ki freedom of expr undadhu ..
manaki ... evadki baka vayiddama anna doola podhu ..

art anagane ... vintha janthuvulu anni oka chota cheri .. evadi definition vadu ichukuntu .. kotta kotta ga pogadatam .. manollaki ala vachi padindi ... mana karmai ...
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Anand_n:

and as he says in the article art and interpretation depends on perspective and Ruchi- and also on context


so what is the context for the nude pictures? gods snanam chesthaaru kadhaa ante, vaadi gods snanam cheyyaraaa , kampu batch aaa adhi?
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Jujung:





Anand_n:




One of the comments posted on this article sums up my view as well.

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Very good exposition of MF Hussein’s art works. I think you critiqued him better than his best supporters. Eagerly await your critique of the offending pieces. Also hats of to your knowledge of aesthetics. One question is MFh never did explain his art as you did.

ramana
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And the author goes on to say....

"What about those paintings of his, one might ask, which are quite offending? We shall say, those are certainly offending, particularly three of those paintings, one each of Sarasvati, durgA, and lakShamI, and then one or two more; but we shall quickly add, it was clearly not the painter’s intention to hurt or offend, nor was he a pervert nor a jehadi."

Wonder how he got to that conclusion about painter's intentions.
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MF Hussain paintings konni naaku nachayi (which are not inflammatory) .. kaani by whatever standards (like .. even by the most liberal standards) his paintings of Hindu Gods and Bharata Mata are simply indefensible .. I mean .. you can try to give any type of justification for the pain he gave to millions of Indians .. kaani they will not be able to justify the cheap taste he has shown .. and people who justify the pain Hussain caused to millions .. their opinions are inhuman !!!
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Anand Ji, so athanu mana gods meeda/bharata maata meeda antha neecham gaa bommalu vesi yedoo danni justify chesukuntee correct antaaraa? also, adee candidate valla matham oo leka veree daani meeda alaa yenduku veyyaledoo kooda chepthaaraa? probably he very well know that his situation would have been the same as that Danish cartoonist!
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Jujung:

Haha.. I bet none of u read the article yet.. Oogatam ayyaka theerigga chadivi postandi..




ee article asala janalu chadvutaru ani expect seyatam ee ekva ..

just MF hussain ani title etti voggesina ... ive boothul lankinche vallm ..

MF hussain kanna better painters contemporary age lone india lo unnar .. they dont do mofo things so they dont get adequate publicity ...

idey ee bapu paintings meede vachi unte article .. nee lantodu thread eyadu post eyadu .. ee MF koduku gurinchi kabatte ee arbhatam antha ...
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Kingaa_bongaa:

ee lanjakodukki india lo fans vunnaaraaa?




DB lo kuda untaaru. Hindutva haters
When contacted,the producer of Hara Hara Mahadeva, Bellamkonda Suresh vehemently denied that these posters are copied.
Ala ela antaaru meeru (How can you say such a thing), he exclaimed.We never did such a thing,we got a photo shoot done, insisted Suresh.
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avunu nijame perverts ki kooda taste vuntundhi...adhe ruchi
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Jujung,
Very well put together art and article :-) thank you for posting - and as he says in the article art and interpretation depends on perspective and Ruchi- and also on context :-)
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M*F* Hussainsagar ni bhoothul d'na king bong ni bokka lo dobbandi
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Jujung:

Haha.. I bet none of u read the article yet.. Oogatam ayyaka theerigga chadivi postandi..


u r right , sadavaalsina avasarm kooda ledhu.

Jujung:

Ee pak lono muslims la putti unte, meeru taliban, alqaida lanu kooda inthe theevram ga support chestaru.. Probly not the killings, but the ideology


killings is the ideology. ideology ni like chesthe killings ni kooda support chesinatte. nenu manchodni oke okka murder chesthaa please ante ekkada thantaaru manalni?
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Haha.. I bet none of u read the article yet.. Oogatam ayyaka theerigga chadivi postandi..
Ee pak lono muslims la putti unte, meeru taliban, alqaida lanu kooda inthe theevram ga support chestaru.. Probly not the killings, but the ideology
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ee lanjakodukki india lo fans vunnaaraaa?


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asalu aaaa lk gaadini kaadhu.... aaaa mof gadiki hype isthunnaa pseudo 0.5 gaallani anaaali.
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lol....what if somebody paints their relations in nude masturbating....will they consider it as just another painting.......it makes me sick when people invoke indian culture to defend a pervert.....living, dying and if required killing for honour is also part of indian culture
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Jujung:

i doubt the self-proclaimed culture warriors of India understand the essence of Indian culture..




you keep the so called self-proclaimed essence of indian culture .. we keep India ...
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Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 08:13 am:   Insert Quote Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A pervert..dastard and a hypocrite....that sums up MO FO HUSSAIN!
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Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 08:11 am:   Insert Quote Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

vadu hindu gods bharatha mata ni tappa inkevarini porapatuna kooda nude/obscene ga veyyaledu..

andulo malli ardhalu paramardhalu teesi athanisupport cheyatam..
nak telisi indialo britishers ravataniki kooda karanam ilanti mindset ee anukunta..

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Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 08:05 am:   Insert Quote Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

i doubt the self-proclaimed culture warriors of India understand the essence of Indian culture..

we know the kind of countries where he would be trampled to death for a mere painting.. the indian culture warriors too have imbibed their traits well..
The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery
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aptly said ..

may his soul .. burn in hell ...
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Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 07:54 am:   Insert Quote Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It's criminal to compare mo fu hussain perverted art with indian artistic tradition....in any other country that baxstard would have been trampled to death

http://www.sandeepweb.com/2011/06/10/death-of-a-pervert-may- his-soul-burn-in-hell/

death of a pervert
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Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 07:44 am:   Insert Quote Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

http://bharatendu.wordpress.com/2011/06/17/m-f-husain-in-a-n ew-light-a-hindu-art-perspective/

"Why! We used to once produce such fine painters as the renowned female artist Chitralekha; our ancient dramas invariably portray their heroes to be skilled in fine arts; Itihasa-s, Poetries, Purana-s, Drama, all declare in one voice how in the days of old each one used to be trained in the fine arts.. Alas! The very arts which once used to be our mediums to express the loftiest, see the irony, are now degenerated to become the hallmarks of the basest! Lo, insult to Sarasvati herself we must patiently bear! But then the fruits of that perversity, who else but we alone should prepare to suffer? ...But why do the followers of ignorance roam about puffed with glory? If not, that is, because we have ourselves verily forgotten our very own selves!"

Read the whole thing - several paintings of Husain and interpretations as well..
The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery

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