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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 09:37 pm:       


Okahyderabadi:


Netra tammi, this is in response to your question about caste and relevance of PRP. The stats show the PRP played important role in both win and loss of major parties. I have left out some seats where either parties were clear winners but margin was higher.
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 09:34 pm:       


Netra:


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Total seats 294

INC won 157
Mahakootami won 109
PRP 18
BJP 2
others 10

Caste based politics ane daniki inka proofs kavala?

Table 1: Caste backgrounds of Chief Ministers of Andhra Pradesh
S.No. Name Party Tenure Caste
1 N. Sanjeeva Reddy Congress (I) 01-11-1956 – 10-01-1960 Reddy
2 D. Sanjeevaiah[4] Congress (I) 11-01-1960 – 11-03-1962 Mala
3 N. Sanjeeva Reddy Congress (I) 12-03-1962 – 28-02-1964Reddy
4 K. Brahmananda Reddy Congress (I) 29-02-1964 – 29-09-1971 Reddy
5 P.V. Narasimha Rao Congress (I) 30-09-1971 – 18-01-1973 Brahmin
President’s Rule 18-07-1973 – 10-12-1973
6 J. Vengala Rao Congress (I) 11-12-1973 – 05-03-1978 Velama
7 M. Chenaa Reddy Congress (I) 06-03-1978 – 10-10-1980 Reddy
8 T. Anjaiah Congress (I) 11-10-1980 – 24-02-1982 BC
9 B. Venktram Reddy Congress (I) 24-02-1982 – 20-09-1982 Reddy
10 K. Vijay Bhaskar Reddy Congress (I) 20-09-1982 – 08-01-1983 Reddy
11 N. T. Rama Rao TDP 09-01-1983 – 16-08-1984 Kamma
12 N. Bhaskararao TDP 16-08-1984 – 15-09-1984 Kamma
13 N. T. Rama Rao TDP 16-09-1984 – 02-12-1989 Kamma
14 M. Chenna Reddy Congress (I) 03-12-1989 – 17-12-1990 Reddy
15 N. Janardhan Reddy Congress (I) 17-12-1990 – 08-10-1992 Reddy
16 K. Vijay Bhaskar Reddy Congress (I) 09-10-1992 – 12-12-1994 Reddy
17 N. T. Rama Rao TDP 12-12-1994 – 31-08-1995 Kamma
18 N. Chandra Babu Naidu TDP 01-09-1995 – 11-10-1999 Kamma
19 N. Chandra Babu Naidu TDP 11-10-1999 – 14-05-2004 Kamma
20 Y.S. Raja Sekhara Reddy Congress 14-05-2004—2009 Reddy


Places where PRP made difference, TRS was not contesting this seat and this seat was held by Independent previously and never won by INC before this.

1.Alampur ( Cong I won by 1197 votes)
Abraham V.M. Indian National Congress 49722
2 Dr.Prasanna Kumar.R Telugu Desam 48539
3 Surupa Shobha Rani PRP 14549



2. Mahbubnagar ( Independent)
N.Rajeshwar Reddy Independent 38247
Syed Ibrahim TRS 33110
Amruth Prasad Goud PRP 11088

3. Nirmal won by PRP, previously won by INC ( Indra karan reddy), difference between INC and TRS 5k votes

4. Kollapur (INC)
Jupally Krishna Rao Indian National Congress 58046
Chintalapally Jagadeeswar Rao Telugu Desam 56538



5. Mudhole ( previously held by TRS)

6. Rayadurg(anantpur) - previously held by TDP,
won by INC by 10000 votes, PRP votes 9670


7 Guntakal Madhusudan Indian National Congress 61097
Sainath Goud Ramagowni Telugu Desam 51753
Patti Ravi Praja Rajyam Party 20417

8.Singamala
Dr.Sake Sailajanath Indian National Congress 65367
Pamidi Shamanthakamani Telugu Desam 62191
Jayaram Kothapalli Praja Rajyam Party 12689

9. Uravakonda (sitting seat for TDP) almost cost them the seat)
Payyavula Keshav TDP 64728
Y. Visweswara Reddy INC 64499
Gurram Chennakeshava Rao Praja Rajyam Party 8255

10. Kalyanadurg ( previously held by TDP) close call again
Raghuveera Reddy INC 69614
V.H. Chowdary TDP 65226
Market Ramanna Praja Rajyam Party 7342

11. Raptadu(previously held by INC)
Paritala Sunita Telugu Desam Party 64559
Thopudurthi Prakash Reddy Indian National Congress 62852
K. Krishna Murthy Praja Rajyam Party 6429

12. Hindupur ( TDP scraped through)
P. Abdul Ghani Telugu Desam Party 45506
B. Naveen Nischal Independent 36742
Lakshminarayana Indian National Congress 30768
Palla Lakshmi Narayana Praja Rajyam Party 18713

13. puttaparthi(TDP scrape through)

Palle Raghunatha Reddy Telugu Desam Party 59356
Kadapala Mohan Reddy Indian National Congress 58335
Pasupuleti Ramana Praja Rajyam Party 12777


14. Tuni ( previously held by TDP Yanamala)
Raja Ashok Babu INC 55047
Yanamala R TDP 46751
Rongali Lakshmi PRP 29957

15. Prattipadu (previously held by INC)
Satyanarayana Murthy TDP 46925
Varupula Subbarao Indian National Congress 43639
Thota Venkata Swamy Naidu Praja Rajyam Party 30544


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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 09:34 pm:       

Vivekandaji
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You are a tdp supporter and still supporting Rosayya just because he is from your caste. Get caste gajji out of your head it is not good.
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Do you think I HATE EVERY CONGRESS POLITICIAN? I appreciate ANY HONEST politician irrespective of the PARTY. As I mentioned in my POST, I like Central Congress Government better than BJP.

I am not against a PARTY. I am against individual persons BASED on THEIR ACTIONS.
 

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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 09:11 pm:       

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GSN brother, Coming to benefits to the state immediate vs non-immediate, CBN's philosophy was like let the poor starve and die, let the farmers die, I have a distant hi-tech vision and by 2020 I'll develop the state and in the meantime, let a generation suffer.

YSR's philosophy was social welfare. He thought let the state have hitech development by 2030-40, but nobody should starve are no farmer should suffer in this process.
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Sorry brother, I posted my last post while leaving the work place and now I am back in front of my computer after taking care of my kids with their homework etc.

Anyway coming to the above point:

HOW DO YOU THINK YSR GOT ALL THE BUDGET TO SPEND ON SOCIAL WELFARE SCHEMES?

It is NATURAL for PEOPLE to go for IMMEDIATE BENEFIT and RELEIF. No one LIKES TO TAKE tough PATH that has ULTIMATE BENEFIT.

Take example of having DELICIOUS FOOD everyday instead of working out. This will lead to SHORT LIFE and ILL HEALTH. On the other hand, IF YOU EAT MODERATELY, you will have FULL AND HEALTHEIST LIFE.

I bet MAJORITY OF PEOPLE would opt for the first choice.

Coming to CBN's rule and farmers and poor suffering, UNFORTUNATELY there was continuous drought for a long period of time. Ofcourse CBN neglected farmer needs and concentrated MORE ON hitech. It didn't help.

I will come back to discussion in next 1/2 hour, but wanted to post this before going back to help my kids.
 

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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 07:31 pm:       


Onlytruth:

CBN rendu ekaraala RAITU koduku ;
YSR roju KOOLI taapi mesthri koduku; Murders jesi sampadinchukunna vasam adhi




baaga soodu maasttaru.. history telvakunte telsuko.. YSR baane unnodu anna sangathi neeku seppi kooda waste.. valla nayana hospital kattinchina range lo unnodu YSR.. YSR thaapi mestri koduku ante navvipothaaru..

murders ante edhi.. NTR mallela babji ni editor ni.. ranga ni sesinatta ledha CBN madhava reddy ni sesinatta.. ettano cheppu
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 07:28 pm:       


Onlytruth:

Swasakthi tho vela kotla saamrajyam sthaapinchina ramojirao ki, raktapu koodu-govt dabbu tini paikochina ee jagan ,ysr laanti vallaki polikaa ?????? havva ! navvipotaaru !




chuss.. inte ramoji kooda siggupadathaadu swasakthaa naadha ani..
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 07:28 pm:       


Netra:

maa vodiki NTR laanti chetha gaani maama undunte odipoyyi party maari maamani ennupotu podisi memu CM lu ayyetollamu le 20 yellake





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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 07:27 pm:       


Onlytruth:

india lo vunna #1 business magnets andaru okappudu leni vaalle.....but they did achieve in 30-40 yrs span.....valla tho paatu 4 yellu decoit panulu jesi sampadinchina jagan ni bhale kalipesukuntaare asalu siggu padakundaa ?




avunaa??? nijama?? ante migatha vollu edhigindhi correct pakkodu edhigithe adhi thappu maargam.. manodu aithe correct pakkodu aithe wrong?? logic lu cheppaku saar.. investment correct gaa chestte 1 yr saalu edhaganeeki..
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 07:27 pm:       


Onlytruth:

india lo vunna #1 business magnets andaru okappudu leni vaalle.....




pepanchakam lo ye company share kuda more than 3 lakhs ledanukunta...one and only tatha piyyanadu....pepanchakamlo yevariki lenattuga one share more than 3 laksh....bill gates etc..baladur...tatha mundu...



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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 07:27 pm:       

Swasakthi tho vela kotla saamrajyam sthaapinchina ramojirao ki, raktapu koodu-govt dabbu tini paikochina ee jagan ,ysr laanti vallaki polikaa ?????? havva ! navvipotaaru !
 

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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 07:25 pm:       


Guriginja:


musalollu andaru retire ayyaaka ika evadu leni time ki delhi bhiksha edite vachindhi padavi





NJR, inka mee favorite deputy CM ga sesina VH, kaka, etc bocchadumandi vunnaru...prajalu iccharu YSR ki CBN laga doddi dari bapathanukunnavaa...LOL...maaku inka vere yevadu dikkuledu anduke aadni pattuku yeladuthunna ani nuve selavicchav db lo......inka cheppakkarledhu.....ee roju state lo prajalu YSR ni tappa inkodigurinchi matladdam ledhu...paapam vudikipothundi......


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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 07:25 pm:       


Onlytruth:

27 yellu manalni unchinattaa ?


musalollu andaru retire ayyaaka ika evadu leni time ki delhi bhiksha edite vachindhi padavi




maa vodiki NTR laanti chetha gaani maama undunte odipoyyi party maari maamani ennupotu podisi memu CM lu ayyetollamu le 20 yellake.. ayanni levu.. pedda party avakassam raaneeki time pattindhi
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 07:24 pm:       


Netra:

pachhallu ammukoni thini bathike ramoji ela edhigaado ala jagan edhigaadu




india lo vunna #1 business magnets andaru okappudu leni vaalle.....but they did achieve in 30-40 yrs span.....valla tho paatu 4 yellu decoit panulu jesi sampadinchina jagan ni bhale kalipesukuntaare asalu siggu padakundaa ?



Netra:

and rendekaarlu kooda leni oka raithu kooli gaa bathike CBN ki anni vela kotlu ela vachhai..




CBN rendu ekaraala RAITU koduku ;
YSR roju KOOLI taapi mesthri koduku; Murders jesi sampadinchukunna vasam adhi
 

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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 07:24 pm:       


Onlytruth:

mana sommulu denkesaadu; decoits gaaka emantaaaru ?




mana sommulu denkeesina CBN and other gang situation endhi.. official gaa 50,000 crs antu communist lu book lu kooda esaaru.. 2004 lo ne 50,000 crs ante ivvala 1lk cr untadhi.. dheenni emantaaru..
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 07:22 pm:       

When the media dealt with Mr. Naidu, facts were irrelevant. As the founder of Private Eye once said: "Never let the truth stand in the way of a good story

CBN gurinchi intha kante chakkaga yevvaru cheppaleru.....state charitra lo mayani maccha....


lowest literacy rates, agriculture grwoth treadding a negative path.....not a single thing done for the people.....appu chesi mari dochukoni dobbadam..sigga yegga...assalu atuvanti vaadu tappithe maaku inkodu dikkuledhu ani support chese vaallani chusi jali padali....
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 07:22 pm:       


Guriginja:

prajalu telusukoni yekkada vunchalo akkada vuncharu..




27 yellu manalni unchinattaa ?


musalollu andaru retire ayyaaka ika evadu leni time ki delhi bhiksha edite vachindhi padavi
 

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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 07:22 pm:       


Onlytruth:

2004 lo illu ammakaaniki pettina ysr ki just 4 yella lo velaadhi kotlu ekkadi nunchi vochaayi




if i prove this wrong.. emi chesttavu.. ammina reason veredhi choopistta emi chesttavu..

Onlytruth:

sub contract lu jesukunta bathike jagan ki




pachhallu ammukoni thini bathike ramoji ela edhigaado ala jagan edhigaadu and rendekaarlu kooda leni oka raithu kooli gaa bathike CBN ki anni vela kotlu ela vachhai..

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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 07:19 pm:       


Onlytruth:

YSR hayaam loni freebies consequence daridram rosayya govt anubhavistandhi




endhi rosayya goc anubhavinchedhi.. rosayya is part of YSR gov. YSR unnappudu lenidhi ippudu vachhindhi ani eenadu lo raastte correct avvuddi.. rosayya ni cheppamanu YSR freebies valla problem ani..
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 07:19 pm:       

corruption ki paryayapadham bandipotu donga CBN and his ....prajalu telusukoni yekkada vunchalo akkada vuncharu....laloooo is waaaaaaaaay better than CBN...the worst thing to happen to andhra pradesh....dardram pattukundi state ki ..lowest literacy rate during that period.....assalu prapancham/desam dusukupothunte state economy ni M chesi 1981 kate digajarchadante yentha chethagani chavata anukovali.....bandhipotulaga dochukunnadu state ni M chesadu....

http://www.indiatogether.org/2004/jul/psa-cbabu.htm
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 07:18 pm:       


Netra:




sub contract lu jesukunta bathike jagan ki,2004 lo illu ammakaaniki pettina ysr ki just 4 yella lo velaadhi kotlu ekkadi nunchi vochaayi...? mana sommulu denkesaadu; decoits gaaka emantaaaru ?
 

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Onlytruth:

CBN hayaam loni power sector reforms benefits ysr njoy jesadu;

YSR hayaam loni freebies consequence daridram rosayya govt anubhavistandhi

simple




chaa.. edhanna nijaalu cheppu saami.. 1994 lo laabhallo unna sectors 96-97 kalla nasttalloki poyyai ante muxxditho navvuthaaru.. telvakunte telusuko.. ledhu nehu cinema cycle stand lekkalu ground ni batti vachhe janala lekkalu chebuthaanu ante neetho argument kooda waste
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 07:18 pm:       

Oka Hyderabadi brother, suppose per suppose imagine a wrestling or boxing fight. People are discussing which of the 2 fighters is powerful, who is more talented, who made the most punches, who is better, who is weak, etc.

Then if someone comes in middle and starts saying kusthi/boxing are violent, they shud be banned, kusthi is bad for health, etc imagine how it'd look like :-)

dhammunodu jagan thread lo congress vs tdp, ysr, cbn ani janaalu maatladuthaa untey meeru vacchi all politicians are bad, maarpu raavaali, new generation ani posts vesthe elaa :-) Separate thread veyyandi vaatiki :-)

Guriginja, KNF brothers, hope you are doing good :-)
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 07:16 pm:       


Onlytruth:

Ye rashtranikaina CM anevadu elaa undakudadho ysr lanti decoits example




maama choosko maatalu.. tirigi vaadalsi vasttundhi
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 07:16 pm:       

kevalam election okkate agenda ga state ni munchesaadu freebies ichi !


CBN hayaam loni power sector reforms benefits ysr njoy jesadu;

YSR hayaam loni freebies consequence daridram rosayya govt anubhavistandhi

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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 07:14 pm:       

YSR hayaam lo atani koduku , kodukki sharing ichina decoit gang 95% dochuku tinesi , 5% poor ki mushti padesi adhi social welfare ani YSR fans cheppadam


Ye rashtranikaina CM anevadu elaa undakudadho ysr lanti decoits example
 

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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 07:11 pm:       


Vivekanandji:

You are wrong about rosayya. he is not clean. He is a very corrupt politician




rosayya ye very corrupt ante,ika mee ysr ni describe jeyyadaniki asalu definition undaa ?

entha DB aithe maatram intha siggu vadilesi elaa matladutaaro !
 

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Vivekanandji:

GSN brother, Coming to benefits to the state immediate vs non-immediate, CBN's philosophy was like let the poor starve and die, let the farmers die, I have a distant hi-tech vision and by 2020 I'll develop the state and in the meantime, let a generation suffer.

YSR's philosophy was social welfare. He thought let the state have hitech development by 2030-40, but nobody should starve are no farmer should suffer in this process.

Let people decide which philosophy they prefer. In 2004 and 2009 people prefered YsR.

Rememmber having a distant vision of development is good but not a ultimate virtue. There should be a balance between hi-tech development and social welfare which ysr achieved successfully. The balance is important which CBN failed to have and that resulted in worst period for AP.




assalu intelectuals ki sound lekunda chepthunav ga...gharana mogudu..magadheera anology kek (though I don't agree with the corruption part and know for sure CBN is THE MOST CORRUPT PERSON EVER IN INDIAN POLITICS)
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 06:59 pm:       


Okahyderabadi:

I think people of our india will never learn to not elect corrupt politicians




people elect leaders who they identify with and who the confide with...corrupt...saint ani boards vundavu meda lo yevvadkiki yevarni yennukunnaru corrupt leaders ni....if they did then then their priority at that time was different and the leader they elect is the best they think will serve that purpose....people, indian voters are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay smart than pretentious intelectuals and punn..dits.
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 06:48 pm:       


Kadapanagfan:

CAG thana report lo 9 years vasraga CBN ruling yekipareysindi!!!




ayina lesser evil.. so no prolems.. malla eeda manaku kahaneelu..
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 06:47 pm:       


Okahyderabadi:




CAG thana report lo 9 years vasraga CBN ruling yekipareysindi!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ6M_RQM3P4
 

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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 06:47 pm:       


Okahyderabadi:

TDP lost by very less margins in lot of seats thanks to PRP




can you prove this?? PRP votes TDP vi ani endhuku anukuntunnavu boss.. PRP congress votes kooda chhelchi undochhu kadha?? aa point lo nuvvu endhuku alochinchavu.. neeku comfortable gaa undedhi argument lo pettaku.. reasonable gaa pettu..
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 06:46 pm:       

Vivekaji,U rocks!!!Chinchi chaaata chesabvu nee analysis!!!
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 06:45 pm:       


Okahyderabadi:

it is all 'Caste' based not performance.




nijamaa.. are u sure?? telvakunte telusuko bro.. naa district results istta nenu.. nuvvu alaage prove cheyyi.. maa ooollo ee caste no1 ani oppesukuntaa.. anthendhuku palakollu lo chiru dheniki odipoyyadu.. alla caste vallu thakkuva endhi akkada?? koncham detailed gaa explain cheyyi

meeru cheppindhi lesser evil bigger evil ani kathalu.. malla completely different endhi.. 100 mandhi lo 40 mandhi okadini 35 mandhi inkodini 25 mandhi inkodini select chesukunte theda 5 kadha ante etta boss.. navvuthaaru janaalu
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 06:41 pm:       


Netra:

Gsn1:

Again, as I said (in another post), I WILL GO with LESSER of 2 EVILS



then you are proved wrong.. Andhra ppl elected congress.. ante lesser evil evaru




elections are totally different matter, if you check the analysis of voting and differences TDP lost by very less margins in lot of seats thanks to PRP. So when it comes to politics it is all 'Caste' based not performance.

I think people of our india will never learn to not elect corrupt politicians. mana bratukulu inte until the younger generation wakes up and kicks these buggers out
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 06:40 pm:       


Vivekanandji:

GSN brother, You are entitled to have your opinion and analysis. Sorry to say this but that was one of the worst analasys' I've ever read in this DB.

Prefering moderate corruption, cunningness, goondaism is the silliest thing I've ever heard.

You are wrong about rosayya. he is not clean. He is a very corrupt politician whose wrong deeds weren't highlighted in media as he was never popular. You seem to have no political contacts and due to lack of that knowledge you are assuming Rosayya to be a clean man.

Rosayya was the finanace minister in ySr cabinet. rosayya was part of the goonda, corrupt, cunning cabinet and rule of ySR. But you support Rossayya and say he that he is clean which sounds funny. You are a tdp supporter and still supporting Rosayya just because he is from your caste. Get caste gajji out of your head it is not good.

You say CBN is moderately corrupt and YSR is fully corrupt. CBN was moderately corrupt because the media at that time didn't highlight his corruption as much as the media did during YSR's time. In reality there is nothing like moderate corruption and full corruption in politics. During CBN's rule, CBN broke all the existing corruption records of the state and went on to the become the richest man of AP. If you see it as moderate corruption, there must be a serious problem with the way you think or analyse.

YSR then came and broke all the existing corruption records and went on to become the richest man of AP. How is it different from what CBN did? Gharana mogudu was a industry hit at its time. Magadheera is industry hit now. Can you say Gharana mogudu a moderate hit and magadheera a full hit? Both cbn and ysr are kings of corruption and you picturising cbn as moderately corrupt is silly.

YSR did more good to the state. True cbn might have had distant vison for developing the state but the state suffered hugely during his 9 year rule. That period was a nightmare for the poor and common man. Under YSR, it was a lot better.


 

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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 06:39 pm:       

GSN brother, Coming to benefits to the state immediate vs non-immediate, CBN's philosophy was like let the poor starve and die, let the farmers die, I have a distant hi-tech vision and by 2020 I'll develop the state and in the meantime, let a generation suffer.

YSR's philosophy was social welfare. He thought let the state have hitech development by 2030-40, but nobody should starve are no farmer should suffer in this process.

Let people decide which philosophy they prefer. In 2004 and 2009 people prefered YsR.

Rememmber having a distant vision of development is good but not a ultimate virtue. There should be a balance between hi-tech development and social welfare which ysr achieved successfully. The balance is important which CBN failed to have and that resulted in worst period for AP.
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 06:36 pm:       


Vivekanandji:

YSR did more good to the state. True cbn might have had distant vison for developing the state but the state suffered hugely during his 9 year rule. That period was a nightmare for the poor and common man. Under YSR, it was a lot better.




If you are saying State has improved under YSR you seriously need to check your facts tammi.


Here the CAG report


Hyderabad: In a damning indictment, the Comptroller and Auditor General today called the AP government's bluff saying its financial management was “grossly deficient.”

For a state that boasted of presenting its annual budget in excess of Rs one lakh crore for the last three years, the CAG’s latest observations were seen as a rap on its knuckles.

“Financial Management with regard to budgetary practices, expenditure controls and mobilisation of resources was deficient. In fact, budget estimates were totally unrealistic in the all years from 2006-07 to 2008-09 as there was either huge overestimation or underestimation,” the CAG observed in its report (civil) for the year ended March 31, 2009, which was tabled in the state Assembly.

The report was prepared by Principal Accountant General G N Sunder Raja.
The report pointed out to the “huge variations in budget estimates and actual expenditure” with “large unnecessary supplementary grants, non-surrender of anticipated savings (by different departments) and expenditure without provision.”

The CAG also found fault with the government’s tax recovery mechanism saying it was not effective.
“The tax recovery mechanism was not effective and the state government resorted to sale of lands for revenue mobilisation. Arrears of revenue accumulated to Rs 2,413 crore as of March 2008, of which Rs 862 crore (36 per cent) was due for more than five years,” the report said.

During 2006-09, the state government targeted to garner funds aggregating Rs 24,450 crore through sale of land. Against this, it could raise only Rs 10,578 crore (44 per cent) leaving a gap of Rs 13,872 crore. Of this, revenue realised during 2008-09 was just Rs 2,131 crore (18 per cent of the estimate). The percentage of actuals to Budget Estimates under Capital Account decelerated to 65.51 from 99.48 and 98.51 during 2007-08 and 2006-07 respectively, the CAG report noted.

Simultaneously, Revenue Expenditure registered a growth from Rs 39,648.83 crore in 2006-07 to Rs 58,624.76 crore in 2007-08.

“Such a dependence on sale of land would have been appropriate in extraordinary circumstances and that too after exhausting other avenues such as collection of tax arrears and tightening leakage of revenue,” the CAG observed.
Monitoring by Finance Department with regard to utilisation of 12th Finance Commission grants was ineffective resulting in non-release of further grants by the Government of India, the CAG said, adding that Rs 179.55 crore remained un-utilised in urban and rural local bodies.

similarily CBN govt also got in to trouble from CAG.

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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 06:28 pm:       

GSN brother, wrt to corruption in govt, there is nothing like lesser evil when you compare babu and ysr rule. Both did maximum corruption during their rule.

As I said again, gharana mogudu is not a LESSER hit compared to Magadheera. Both are ultimate hits. Same way CBN did highest corruption during his time and YSR did highest during his time.
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 06:26 pm:       


Gsn1:

Again, as I said (in another post), I WILL GO with LESSER of 2 EVILS




then you are proved wrong.. Andhra ppl elected congress.. ante lesser evil evaru
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 06:26 pm:       


Vivekanandji:

YSR did more good to the state. True cbn might have had distant vison for developing the state but the state suffered hugely during his 9 year rule. That period was a nightmare for the poor and common man. Under YSR, it was a lot better.




though we are different page thanks for being honest.


Vivekanandji:

You are entitled to have your opinion and analysis. Sorry to say this but that was one of the worst analasys' I've ever read in this DB.




this is exactly what I felt and restrained from being blunt..the sad thing is the poeple who do not have an aorta of knowledge about what happened in the state when, when everything is there for you to see...thats a shame...thats an insult to inteligence and education.
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 06:24 pm:       

Vivekanandji

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Prefering moderate corruption, cunningness, goondaism is the silliest thing I've ever heard.
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Again, as I said (in another post), I WILL GO with LESSER of 2 EVILS
 

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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 06:20 pm:       

GSN brother, You are entitled to have your opinion and analysis. Sorry to say this but that was one of the worst analasys' I've ever read in this DB.

Prefering moderate corruption, cunningness, goondaism is the silliest thing I've ever heard.

You are wrong about rosayya. he is not clean. He is a very corrupt politician whose wrong deeds weren't highlighted in media as he was never popular. You seem to have no political contacts and due to lack of that knowledge you are assuming Rosayya to be a clean man.

Rosayya was the finanace minister in ySr cabinet. rosayya was part of the goonda, corrupt, cunning cabinet and rule of ySR. But you support Rossayya and say he that he is clean which sounds funny. You are a tdp supporter and still supporting Rosayya just because he is from your caste. Get caste gajji out of your head it is not good.

You say CBN is moderately corrupt and YSR is fully corrupt. CBN was moderately corrupt because the media at that time didn't highlight his corruption as much as the media did during YSR's time. In reality there is nothing like moderate corruption and full corruption in politics. During CBN's rule, CBN broke all the existing corruption records of the state and went on to the become the richest man of AP. If you see it as moderate corruption, there must be a serious problem with the way you think or analyse.

YSR then came and broke all the existing corruption records and went on to become the richest man of AP. How is it different from what CBN did? Gharana mogudu was a industry hit at its time. Magadheera is industry hit now. Can you say Gharana mogudu a moderate hit and magadheera a full hit? Both cbn and ysr are kings of corruption and you picturising cbn as moderately corrupt is silly.

YSR did more good to the state. True cbn might have had distant vison for developing the state but the state suffered hugely during his 9 year rule. That period was a nightmare for the poor and common man. Under YSR, it was a lot better.
Andharuu Baagundaali.
 

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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 06:08 pm:       

Netra

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neeku okkadikenaa opinion..
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When did I say NEE opinion wrong ani? I explained my thinking. If you took it wrong way, I can't help it.
 

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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 06:07 pm:       


Gsn1:

IN POLITICS, I always ELEMINTE TOP & BOTTOM rankers and go with the middle rankers.




what is with is 50%, 70% etc..basically what I infer from your post is you don't know what is good for the sate...and you don't know who really did atleast some good to the state...becuase if you actually follow (if you are reaalyy interested in the well being of the state) you would not say that...you don't have to take my word for that the numbers are there for everyone to see and speak for themselves. What ever little happened to the state happened during the congress reign...and compared to that the TDP reign were nothing but wasted years.

Anyway like you said...you can think and believe that you are right...your entitled to your opinion...peeople in the state or for that matter know who is a leader who works for them...and have always elected them..with out fail....it was the know all people and the so called pun dits..pun..dits (kinda icchina letterman video style lo saduvukovacchu) were always wrong and failed more often.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7NcfDOL71o

letterman is awesome..pun dit..LOL
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 05:52 pm:       


Gsn1:

Just wanted to share my thought process of supporing TDP. Ofcourse you are entitled to your own opinion




neeku okkadikenaa opinion.. maa opinopn edho thappu ani maa dhaantlo padi kelakadam dheniki.. i think andhra ppl see more evil in TDP andhuke congress ni gelipinchaaru..
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 05:45 pm:       

*I don't want to HATE

Not intended to be there.
 

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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 05:43 pm:       

Guri

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oka 30yrs manakendukule ani tanu oppaka okarini oppoinchaka vundi....ee roju yem matladalanna madam tho matladi cheptha ante BEST IN CONGRESS ayipothara......he is a good man that is...manchithanam veru samardhatha veru ani seppalani vundi...LOL
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For me to support ANYONE, GENERALLY I look at the following:

Category 1: Person is STRAIGHT FORWARD, NO CORRUPTION, NO GOONDAISM, NO FAVORS. ALL he/she thinks is GOOD OF THE STATE AND ITS PEOPLE. (80% or above for state benefit 20% or less for his/her own benefit)

We find very few people in this category Eg. Rosaiah, Loksatta leader etc.,

Category 2: Person is CUNNING, CORRUPT, GOONDAISM, Benefit to State (everything in MODERATION), has some fear of PUBLICLY CHEATING and PUBLICLY DOING FAVORS to HIS/HER OWN PEOPLE. Contributes to success of the STATE and MODERATELY popular (50% or above for state benefit 50% or less for his/her own benefit). Benefits to the state are NOT IMMEDIATE but definitely GOOD POLICIES on the long run.

We find most of the people in this category Eg. CBN etc.,

Category 3: Person is CUNNING, CORRUPT, GOONDAISM, Benefit to State(everything in EXCESS), has NO fear of PUBLICLY CHEATING and PUBLICLY DOING FAVORS to HIS/HER OWN PEOPLE as in return HE/SHE gets atmost LOYALTY. Contributes to success of the their own MORE and HUGELY popular (30% or above for state benefit 70% or less for his/her own benefit). Benefits to the state are IMMEDIATE but definitely NOT GOOD POLICIES on the long run. Encourages CORRUPTION and LAWLESSNESS which are EVILS in the long run.

We find very few people (again) in this category Eg. YSR etc.,

IN POLITICS, I always ELEMINTE TOP & BOTTOM rankers and go with the middle rankers.

Just wanted to share my thought process of supporing TDP. Ofcourse you are entitled to your own opinion.

I don't want to HATE
 

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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 05:28 pm:       


Kaisersooze:


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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2010 - 05:04 pm:       

how do you know that YSJ is fit for this position? What is his Qualification to become a CM?? ///

MP Elections lo 1 lakh majority tho gelichadu...and MLA's support vundhi...MLA support vunavadu aithae better a leka MLC kinda minstry vachina Rosayya better..

N_U garu rosayya as minsiter OK..and good..but not as CM...oke decision kuda thanae thesukoledu..

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