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Baatasari
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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 11:26 pm:       


Ntr2nbk:

Kaveri engine is failed

It's not used in Tejas i.e., LCA

Tejas engine is imported from US made by GE
Engine model is GE F404 and later we are using mpre advanced GE F414




true.. Kaveri engine was supposed to be wrapped up long ago - aa entire project failed execution ani annadi anduke..

anyway.. i will stay away for sometime so atleast.. detail like this doesnt start off - yet-another-round of mindless abuse here...
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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 11:16 pm:       


Baatasari:




Kaveri engine is failed

It's not used in Tejas i.e., LCA

Tejas engine is imported from US made by GE
Engine model is GE F404 and later we are using mpre advanced GE F414
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 12:55 pm:       


Nyk:

Mana daggara bad assets lo mig 21 and 27 matrame.





Mana daggira unna 700+ fighter jets lo MiG21s around 250 unnayani news.


Thats almost 1/3rd. They are from 1960s/70s technology. Very old. Its amazing we never retired those by now.


India's then defence minister AK Antony once said in parliament that more than half the 872 MiGs it had purchased from Russia had been lost in accidents, at a cost of over 200 lives.


Defense contracts lo denkeyyatam, Rafael lanti deals ni aapataaniki trying thappithey, never really upgraded.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 12:50 pm:       


Okahyderabadi:




It was clearly stated Mig 29 and F16 are built for different purposes.
Even i am not trying to respond your post, just stating the facts you are trying to present. They have their own specifications advantages and disadvantages

The reason Mig 29s having issues is USSR collapse and inferior spare parts..
Its not the Mig 29 technology that is having issues


There is good and bad points for both aircraft. The MIG-29 in its original specifications is less superior to the F-16. In close combat at slow and medium speed, the MIG-29 shines well against the F-16. The MIG-29 has IRST so it can emit no radar emission. The IRST is short range in capability. The MIG-29 is equipped with 2 medium range missiles such as the R-27 Alamo and 4-R-73 Archer short range AAM. The F-16 would be flying a load of 4-BVR fire and forget AIM-120 Amraam and 2 AIM-9X Sidewinder. The R-27 Alamo missile is a semi active missile which is slightly inferior to the Amraam.

The F-16 has a better endurance with a good fuel load while the MIG-29 has a slightly lesser range as the fuel load capacity between the 2 jets is minimal. Its just the MIG-29 has about 10% more fuel that the F-16 but its feeding 2 engines while the F-16 is one engine only.

The MIG-29 is manufactured different than those of the F-16. I believe the MIG-29 goes through a simple and rugged manufacturing process. Not too sophisticated as compared to the F-16. Much care is needed for the F-16 than the MIG-29. The MIG-29 could operate in most airfield conditions and could take off from a semi prepared air strike and also from runway littered with foreign objects. The F-16 can't.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 12:34 pm:       


Last_avataar:

Different roles � different fighter jet. How to compare them?
MiG-29 vs. F-16 - the two fighter jets compared
Picture: A drawing from the 1992 Fulcrum-Flanker review by General Dynamics.

One needs to be aware that both MiG-29 and F-16 were developed in different circumstances, which had an impact on different requirements towards the jets. F-16 was designed to be a cost effective, light multirole (fighter-bomber) jet that could be a support to the more expensive F-15 Eagle. On the other hand the MiG-29 is a typical air-superiority fighter jet. For MiG-29 designers range and avionics were not as crucial as powerful engines, high altitude flights, rate of climb, speed and the ability to take off from really shabby runways.
Those differences are visible in the construction of both machines. The MiG-29 Fulcrum has two engines (Klimov RD-33 afterburning turbofans) � officially for better aerodynamics, in fact for more power and safety reasons. The Eastern construction is also equipped with two vertical stabilizers helping the pilot keep stability after starting the engine.
Western specialists saw the F-16 as safe enough with just one engine. But the US designers saw the need to improve the cockpit and general ergonomics. It resulted in single piece bubble canopy (with exceptional field of view), the pilot�s seat is reclined at an unusual tilt-back angle of 30°, multifunctional displays and general automation. All these features led to enhancing pilot�s combat effectiveness. The MiG-29 is not equipped with the above.


not entirely true and my statement is not a comment on your post here. its just an honest observation.

MiG's only suffer from couple of issues - bulky airframe/load factor and endurance. 1st one we cannot fix second one we did by upgrading them (adding a fuel tank in the spine etc). Being a regular member in BRF's I get access to more information than some people here about the technical and operational nature of the machines. It would be good to go there and read more about them before we come here and make statements
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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 12:30 pm:       


Cheenu:




good.. pls enquire with him..

its not the expertise that we lack.. we severly lack the POLITICAL will..

too much red-tape, too much back&forth.. ofcourse too much talk & less action..
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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 12:26 pm:       


Nyk:

afale vasthe shed ki amputaru.... We




With 30 Raffels , how many are they are going to replace?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Indian_military _aircraft

Combat Aircraft
MiG-21 Russia Fighter Bison 114[1]
MiG-27 Russia Ground attack MiG-27ML 44[2]
MiG-29 Russia Multirole MiG-29UPG[3] 66[2]
HAL Tejas India Multirole Mk 1 12[4] 28 on order[5]
Mirage 2000 France Multirole 2000 H/I 41[6][7]
Sukhoi Su-30 Russia Multirole Su-30MKI 242[1] Total 272 on order[8]
Dassault Rafale France Multirole EH/DH[9] 36 on order[2]
SEPECAT Jaguar UK Ground attack IM/IS[10] 91[11][12]
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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 12:25 pm:       


Baatasari:

Kaveri engine we developed



My close friend designed the lubricating system for this
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 12:24 pm:       

We can’t still built our own aircrafts... tejas okkati chesaru which is far inferior compared to what others develop.

Inka enni Year’s vere valla meeda depend avutharo emo.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 12:23 pm:       


Mahiz:

feku galaki F-16's ela vachayi asalu .. AAGRA rajyam ichindha ..




doubt aa ? they 85 form US and now from china ,

aavaru feku ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Pakistan_Air_Fo rce_aircraft
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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 12:21 pm:       

Mana daggara bad assets lo mig 21 and 27 matrame.... Ivi kooda old aipoynay.... Rafale vasthe shed ki amputaru.... We have sukhoi upto 200, mirage, etc... migatha Anne ok
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 12:20 pm:       

we complain about Air India flights, how bad they are, rattling and televisions not working.

But it is the job of IAF flights, even if they Migs don't respond and the missile don't fire, they have to give life , because they are supposed to give their life and they know it,
so any one joining the indian defense are singing their death warrant , and any one questions how unfair , they are traitors
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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 12:17 pm:       


Scorpio:




evaru cheppadu meeku. we attacked with Mirage 2000 , what did F16'S could do
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What is better? Air Force Technology from the East or the West?
The comparison of Eastern with Western fighter jets is very popular. It is an often discussed topic on forums and of course many (if not most) opinions are a bit biased. But it is interesting that after the downfall of the Soviet Empire and the end of the East block we now have countries with both – Western and Eastern technology. And we have NATO countries flying with MiGs. Even the US Air Force purchased MiG-29s from Moldova. But of course the research results and tests are not really public, one would lose an advantage if too much information is public. The Polish Air Force is currently operating the F-16 and the MiG-29. And Poland bought the 24 MiG-29s which German Air Force/Luftwaffe inherited from East German Air Force (Luftstreitkräfte der NVA) for a symbolic EUR per piece. It is interesting to talk with pilots of such “mixed” fleets, they usually identify themselves with the fighter jet they fly. MiG-29 pilots highlight the advantages of the MiG, F-16 pilots accentuate the strengths of the Fighting Falcon. And both are right!

Different roles – different fighter jet. How to compare them?
MiG-29 vs. F-16 - the two fighter jets compared
Picture: A drawing from the 1992 Fulcrum-Flanker review by General Dynamics.

One needs to be aware that both MiG-29 and F-16 were developed in different circumstances, which had an impact on different requirements towards the jets. F-16 was designed to be a cost effective, light multirole (fighter-bomber) jet that could be a support to the more expensive F-15 Eagle. On the other hand the MiG-29 is a typical air-superiority fighter jet. For MiG-29 designers range and avionics were not as crucial as powerful engines, high altitude flights, rate of climb, speed and the ability to take off from really shabby runways.
Those differences are visible in the construction of both machines. The MiG-29 Fulcrum has two engines (Klimov RD-33 afterburning turbofans) – officially for better aerodynamics, in fact for more power and safety reasons. The Eastern construction is also equipped with two vertical stabilizers helping the pilot keep stability after starting the engine.
Western specialists saw the F-16 as safe enough with just one engine. But the US designers saw the need to improve the cockpit and general ergonomics. It resulted in single piece bubble canopy (with exceptional field of view), the pilot’s seat is reclined at an unusual tilt-back angle of 30°, multifunctional displays and general automation. All these features led to enhancing pilot’s combat effectiveness. The MiG-29 is not equipped with the above.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 12:13 pm:       

feku galaki F-16's ela vachayi asalu .. AAGRA rajyam ichindha ..
Janani Janma-bhoomi-scha Swargadapi Gariyasi
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 12:11 pm:       

MiGs manaki pattina daridram...F-16s mundu nilabadalevu...
Nagarjuna Sagar...SriSailam...Polavaram...Handri-Neeva...SomaSila...ThotaPalli...VeliGonda...PuliChintala..etc
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 12:08 pm:       

most of our commanders don't even have enough equipment like goggles, forget about night vision binoculars...they r not trained enough n they dont have the best gear...

only some regiments have gear for the cold, n the military also is not provided with all the gear they need for hilly terrain, cold weather...etc

only navy to an extent have better gear in comparison of all the 3 forces...

pathetic condition of soldiers....

2 bad....
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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 12:04 pm:       

Soviet Union dissolve ayyaka MiG spares production chaala taggipoyayi.. maintenance sarigga ledhu.... 90s lo dollars kastamga unde, vajpayee time lo konni procure chesadu...next UPA lafoot govt ....latkor defence management....okka procurement cheyaledu....

Overall UPA worst..... Could have done a lot..

Glad atleast ippudaina Rafale tondaraga process completed..
Army andarikee bullet proof jackets
Defense technology from us
FDI in defence.... Atleast inko 5 yrs lo veeti results vasthe good
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 11:35 am:       

Rafales are great fighter jets...

Let's keep politics aside and get them asap.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 11:32 am:       


Baatasari:





good 2 know.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 11:30 am:       


Mahiz:




kiki..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 11:30 am:       


Mahiz:




LCA = Tejas.. it has the Kaveri engine we developed..
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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 11:27 am:       

TEJAS undi kadha mana deggara .. complete ga DRDO develop chesindhi
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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 11:26 am:       


Starc:

kukka karchindi ani manam karvoddu..




so kukka kariste..

chache daka.. karipinchukovali antava uncle ?
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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 11:25 am:       

manam pak tho chuste.. emi ekkuva ledu babai.all are waste.. our pilots airforce not on par with uddam..

edo sankalu guddukovadaniki.. paniki vastundi kaani.. reality ki pothe.. sagam jets crash avuthai.. deniki paniki ramu. inka paiki gallaki full support undi western system nunchi.. manaki too much bokka..

kukka karchindi ani manam karvoddu..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 11:23 am:       

we have 2 choppers that we make by ourself - chetak, cheetah
LCA was a poorly executed proj - mostly to blame the politicians around it..

system lo.. andariki SCAM chese sandu matrame kanapadutundi kani, idi National security lapse anedi kanapadadu..

we are one of biggest importer of arms, weapons.. and fact we are to make do with faulty equipment - is a testament to the carelessness of our politicians..
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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 11:17 am:       

Hopefully at least now.. Govt will get some good stuff
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Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 11:01 am:       

Mana IAF kaada most of the flights anni kooda rusted n dusted ve..

out of service contracts, no spares n parts if needed...edo indigenous gaa nadipestunnaaaru...

most of the defence flights go to eastern european countries to get serviced...

we dont even have good decent service centres...for even choppers...

everything has to be taken on ships, n get them back...long tedious process....

so...don't think too high of our airforce...

upkorse...paf is wway lower than us....but hey...u never know...
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