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Ishan
Side Hero Username: Ishan
Post Number: 9758 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 98.194.159.57
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 03:24 pm: |
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Nisarga:I do not think there actually are a real believer.
Disagree, though your definition of 'real belief' might be different from mine. Science and Faith should and more importantly, CAN go hand in hand. They are not mutually exclusive. Of course it depends on your belief system. http://bit.ly/YmdV0q |
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Anand_n
Hero Username: Anand_n
Post Number: 13806 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.177.241.31
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 02:27 pm: |
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Nisarga:but at the same time I quite know that it is irrational. but i wish i overcome that and try for that
Here's a thought for you - if you are fully aware it is irrational , and develop the ability to observe that irrational feeling rationally , you will be fine Because as you watch yourself , you will become aware of your your irrational reactions realtime and slowly the autopilot moves from the irrational to rational - and then the irrational portions left are the ones you consciously choose because you enjoy those - not something you cannot prevent  The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim |
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Vjavasi
Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 11694 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 12.239.81.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 01:32 pm: |
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Nisarga:if we can live like other animals, its ok, may be we dont need to control or predict things( even here it would give more survival chances if things are predictable though). if we have any affairs in common with others how do we buy others' views?
we are no different from animals.....even they try to control.......nothing wrong in control but how do we know we are doing the right thing?......is there something right or wrong?......if there is some direction in life and nature we have to check whether our desire to control aligns in that direction ....currently, we have no clue.... It seems God or higher principle has abandoned us, we are confused and clueless |
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Nisarga
Junior Artist Username: Nisarga
Post Number: 474 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.0.67
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 01:23 pm: |
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Vjavasi:why an individual, state has to control others unless they are going against the natural justice as perceived by human insticts.......trying to control nature is happening since the dawn of civlization....it's nothing new nor it contradicts Dharma if the results are not against natural justice......we don't know the balance between our desire to control and the threat to our existence......we are now confused and lost the fundamentals
if we can live like other animals, its ok, may be we dont need to control or predict things( even here it would give more survival chances if things are predictable though). if we have any affairs in common with others how do we buy others' views? |
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Zuri
Junior Artist Username: Zuri
Post Number: 327 Registered: 12-2012 Posted From: 173.36.196.6
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 01:17 pm: |
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Nisarga:1) bashing science in favor religion and beliefs while enjoying the benefits of science >>This doesn't happen too often right, I think people can distinguish between science and religion. 2) supporting our favorite politicians/film stars despite the fact that we know they do not deserve the support/fame/respect they enjoy or they can never live up to our expectations. >> I feel the same but I think such folks start treating the people they adore as their own family and hence expectations don't figure out in that equation. 3) praying to God or supporting religious chores despite the fact that we do not actually believe in them. I do not think there actually are a real believer. >> Most people do it either because they believe or because they want to keep someone happy.
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Nisarga
Junior Artist Username: Nisarga
Post Number: 472 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.0.67
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 01:15 pm: |
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Commonman:Didn't expect a blanket statement from you :-) Anyway, once i like someone, i stand by with them no matter what.. whether it is an artist, sportsmen or anyone else - I don't see any thing wrong with that. I believe this is called 'unconditional love'
dont take it seriously or personally. I too kind of have that unconditional love or something like that toward some people or views . but at the same time I quite know that it is irrational. but i wish i overcome that and try for that . |
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Vjavasi
Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 11693 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 12.239.81.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 01:13 pm: |
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Nisarga:in experiential world your experience or belief is yours and mine is mine. it's ok as long as we live in them independently. but if we have to convince others or buy others' views or control others there is no way other than proposing something like objective truth or inquiry.
why an individual, state has to control others unless they are going against the natural justice as perceived by human insticts.......trying to control nature is happening since the dawn of civlization....it's nothing new nor it contradicts Dharma if the results are not against natural justice......we don't know the balance between our desire to control and the threat to our existence......we are now confused and lost the fundamentals |
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Senapathy
Moderator Username: Senapathy
Post Number: 15635 Registered: 01-2009
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 01:13 pm: |
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Commonman:'unconditional love'
I know u stand by Sunny Leone. Musugu lo dobbulata enduku unkel I am struck by the lightning of love and burnt beyond repair - Florentino Ariza
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Commonman
Junior Artist Username: Commonman
Post Number: 718 Registered: 05-2012 Posted From: 98.221.83.18
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 01:07 pm: |
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Nisarga:we know they do not deserve the support/fame/respect they enjoy or they can never live up to our expectations.
Didn't expect a blanket statement from you :-) Anyway, once i like someone, i stand by with them no matter what.. whether it is an artist, sportsmen or anyone else - I don't see any thing wrong with that. I believe this is called 'unconditional love'  |
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Nisarga
Junior Artist Username: Nisarga
Post Number: 471 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.0.67
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 01:02 pm: |
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Vjavasi:after trusting many inquiry systems man will reach a conclusion that all of them are useless and draining his energy......but to reach that conclusion he has to go thru that process.....then he gives up and surrenders to his destiny or god or nature and feels like his presence or absence doesn't matter at all and he is a prisoner of unknown.......just know this much
right. that is in experiential space. but to predict or control things to our benefit we have to depend on something like science. in experiential world your experience or belief is yours and mine is mine. it's ok as long as we live in them independently. but if we have to convince others or buy others' views or control others there is no way other than proposing something like objective truth or inquiry. |
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Vjavasi
Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 11692 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 12.239.81.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 12:59 pm: |
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Nisarga:everything is understood in terms of our experiences only. so what?
then what's the question.......why should you claim one experience is better than other........one can believe in whatever he is comfortable with.....science can't claim any superiority |
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Vjavasi
Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 11691 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 12.239.81.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 12:56 pm: |
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Nisarga:what better inquiry system do you propose against or other than science.
after trusting many inquiry systems man will reach a conclusion that all of them are useless and draining his energy......but to reach that conclusion he has to go thru that process.....then he gives up and surrenders to his destiny or god or nature and feels like his presence or absence doesn't matter at all and he is a prisoner of unknown.......just know this much |
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Nisarga
Junior Artist Username: Nisarga
Post Number: 470 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.0.67
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 12:52 pm: |
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Vjavasi:I don't know what do you mean by religion here......if it's just going by instincts and feelings, science also originated from the same instincts......so it doesn't make sense to see them as complete opposites.........science at its present core is just quantification of experience and its theories also derived from many assumptions
everything is understood in terms of our experiences only. so what? |
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Twitter
Megastar Username: Twitter
Post Number: 27360 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 199.67.140.46
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 12:52 pm: |
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Nisarga:
add : being desi and hating to live among desi community |
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Nisarga
Junior Artist Username: Nisarga
Post Number: 469 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.0.67
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 12:50 pm: |
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Vjavasi:I don't know what do you mean by religion here......if it's just going by instincts and feelings, science also originated from the same instincts......so it doesn't make sense to see them as complete opposites.........science at its present core is just quantification of experience and its theories also derived from many assumptions
what better inquiry system do you propose against or other than science. |
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Vjavasi
Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 11690 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 12.239.81.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 12:45 pm: |
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Nisarga:is there anything that religion can explain/predict consistently but science cannot??
I don't know what do you mean by religion here......if it's just going by instincts and feelings, science also originated from the same instincts......so it doesn't make sense to see them as complete opposites.........science at its present core is just quantification of experience and its theories also derived from many assumptions |
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Jawmetri
Side Hero Username: Jawmetri
Post Number: 2269 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 71.204.164.76
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 12:33 pm: |
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Bossu, like that there are many other things, like "there is no such thing as love" etc. it is a belief, a tradition, as long as it doesnt harm others, it is ok. believing in religion is not hypocrisy. |
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Stig
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Post Number: 9704 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 199.217.117.144
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 12:32 pm: |
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@ Gandhiguvera : we are just serving our time here // -- Yevaru vesaru manakee siksha ??  --- Sonder |
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Nisarga
Junior Artist Username: Nisarga
Post Number: 468 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.0.67
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 12:30 pm: |
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Nisarga:is there anything that religion can explain/predict consistently but science cannot??
or is there any belief system which can explain that science cannot,rather? |
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Nisarga
Junior Artist Username: Nisarga
Post Number: 467 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.0.67
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 12:29 pm: |
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Vjavasi:Other than some medical cures to some epidemics..........science hasn't yet made any radical changes that completely trasform life or it has any clue how nature works
is there anything that religion can explain/predict consistently but science cannot?? |
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Nisarga
Junior Artist Username: Nisarga
Post Number: 466 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.0.67
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 12:26 pm: |
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Twitter:is this in context of allopathy ? or any other exampels ?
no. in grey areas. ....if there is something science is not sure of yet or cannot explain it yet... |
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Vjavasi
Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 11689 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 12.239.81.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 12:26 pm: |
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Gandhiguevara:atleast its visible progress...compared to illogical beliefs
logic is a derivative of illogic in the first place.......there is nothing logical deep in nature |
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Gandhiguevara
Legend Username: Gandhiguevara
Post Number: 38706 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 98.194.214.250
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 12:24 pm: |
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Vjavasi:Other than some medical cures to some epidemics..........science hasn't yet made any radical changes that completely trasform life or it has any clue how nature works
atleast its visible progress...compared to illogical beliefs |
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Vjavasi
Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 11688 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 12.239.81.75
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 12:22 pm: |
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Other than some medical cures to some epidemics..........science hasn't yet made any radical changes that completely trasform life or it has any clue how nature works |
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Tombrady
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Post Number: 5071 Registered: 05-2012 Posted From: 216.163.216.56
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 12:22 pm: |
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Nisarga:if we really believe in why cannot!!?
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Gandhiguevara
Legend Username: Gandhiguevara
Post Number: 38704 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 98.194.214.250
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 12:20 pm: |
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Nisarga:add yours....
antha BS mestaaru...we are just serving our time here |
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Twitter
Megastar Username: Twitter
Post Number: 27357 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 199.67.140.46
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 12:20 pm: |
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Nisarga:1) bashing science in favor religion and beliefs while enjoying the benefits of science
is this in context of allopathy ? or any other exampels ? |
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Nisarga
Junior Artist Username: Nisarga
Post Number: 465 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.0.67
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 12:18 pm: |
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Kuppuswaminaidu:Yevidikaina injury vosthe they go to the hospital. Not the temple.
if we really believe in why cannot!!? |
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Nisarga
Junior Artist Username: Nisarga
Post Number: 464 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.0.67
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 12:15 pm: |
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Humpty_dumpty:posting in DB
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Humpty_dumpty
Moderator Username: Humpty_dumpty
Post Number: 22062 Registered: 02-2009
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 12:12 pm: |
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posting in DB |
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Kuppuswaminaidu
Junior Artist Username: Kuppuswaminaidu
Post Number: 335 Registered: 05-2013 Posted From: 99.8.56.59
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 12:12 pm: |
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Lol you know whatbis sooo kamedy amma Yevidikaina injury vosthe they go to the hospital. Not the temple. Mohan Babu nijaalu matladithe "controversy" antaru....... How is speaking the truth a controversy? I guess the truth hurts! |
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Nisarga
Junior Artist Username: Nisarga
Post Number: 463 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.0.67
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 - 12:09 pm: |
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not to hurt anyone,but just to understand and figure out the discrepancies in our beliefs,thought process and behavior etc.... here are some i can think of: 1) bashing science in favor religion and beliefs while enjoying the benefits of science 2) supporting our favorite politicians/film stars despite the fact that we know they do not deserve the support/fame/respect they enjoy or they can never live up to our expectations. 3) praying to God or supporting religious chores despite the fact that we do not actually believe in them. I do not think there actually are a real believer. add yours.... |