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Saarang
Comedian Username: Saarang
Post Number: 1779 Registered: 06-2012 Posted From: 50.132.77.148
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 08:21 pm: |
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Banam: I am under assumption that nba cap is 70 MILLLION.. Thanks bro...
70 Million is the luxury tax threshold. Teams above 70 have to pay luxury tax. But that does not determine cap space. Both salary cap and luxury tax threshold change every year based on league's Basketball Related Income. |
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Banam
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Post Number: 2199 Registered: 12-2011 Posted From: 68.226.60.40
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 08:03 pm: |
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Saarang:
I am under assumption that nba cap is 70 MILLLION.. Thanks bro... Buduguu, Coolmec and Rajesh Sowjanyam tho memu kooda clipart use cheyatam start chesam... Yes Its official.... |
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Saarang
Comedian Username: Saarang
Post Number: 1777 Registered: 06-2012 Posted From: 131.107.192.248
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 07:00 pm: |
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Banam: Saarang: Adenti... If you dont mind can you explain plz?
NBA has a soft cap which around 58 Million for current year. Teams can only exceed that in the process of retaining exisiting players or through exception which are 5M or 3 Million depending on teams salary. So when a team is already past 58 Million, they will not have full cap-space even if they release a player. For example: if Lakers had Salary of 70M, if they release a player worth 20 M, they will only get space of 8 Million. If Lakers are at 100 Million, they will not get any space if they release a 20 M player. Any team will have to go below 58 to get cap space. |
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Banam
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Post Number: 2198 Registered: 12-2011 Posted From: 68.226.60.40
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 06:46 pm: |
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Saarang:
Adenti... If you dont mind can you explain plz? Buduguu, Coolmec and Rajesh Sowjanyam tho memu kooda clipart use cheyatam start chesam... Yes Its official.... |
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Saarang
Comedian Username: Saarang
Post Number: 1775 Registered: 06-2012 Posted From: 131.107.192.248
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 06:29 pm: |
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Saarang:They already have 12 mil space when they released jackson kadha... No way they will give 14 million to ginobili.... They need some one who can rebound the ball very well... Defensive rebounds full problem ga vundhi....Ginobili ni kooda release cheste they will have 26 mill space...
They don't have that much cap space. Oka player ni release cheste full amount cap-space creat avvadhu generally. Ippudu Lakers Gasol ni release cheste...they wont get 20 million space...they will still have zero cap-space. |
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Saarang
Comedian Username: Saarang
Post Number: 1774 Registered: 06-2012 Posted From: 131.107.192.248
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 06:24 pm: |
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Banam:Release cheyyaru..they will bring him back at a very low salary. They won't spend much...so they will only get players in 5 Million range. Splitter ni retain cheskunte adhe padivelu.>>>> They already have 12 mil space when they released jackson kadha... No way they will give 14 million to ginobili.... They need some one who can rebound the ball very well... Defensive rebounds full problem ga vundhi....Ginobili ni kooda release cheste they will have 26 mill space... Splitter ni definite ga retain chesukuntaru... Intha cap space vundhi kaabati... Other than splitter inka evaru ayina free agents vunnara? Tim, tony, kawhi, danny, diaw, booner, neal, corey were all signed for next year...
Bonner and Neal are free agents. Bonner will be gone...they tried shop him for a draft pick but no one was giving it. Splitter ki evaranna pedda offer ishte match cheyyaru emo. Splitter ni teka pothe they will go after Al Jefferson or Milsap. Ippudu Spurs ki unna pedda problem...they do not have a well defined need...so they wont spend on any big names unless Splitter goes some where. Splitter ki Real Madrid offer istaaru ani kooda rumors unnayi |
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Banam
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Post Number: 2197 Registered: 12-2011 Posted From: 198.228.228.145
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 06:10 pm: |
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Release cheyyaru..they will bring him back at a very low salary. They won't spend much...so they will only get players in 5 Million range. Splitter ni retain cheskunte adhe padivelu.>>>> They already have 12 mil space when they released jackson kadha... No way they will give 14 million to ginobili.... They need some one who can rebound the ball very well... Defensive rebounds full problem ga vundhi....Ginobili ni kooda release cheste they will have 26 mill space... Splitter ni definite ga retain chesukuntaru... Intha cap space vundhi kaabati... Other than splitter inka evaru ayina free agents vunnara? Tim, tony, kawhi, danny, diaw, booner, neal, corey were all signed for next year... Buduguu, Coolmec and Rajesh Sowjanyam tho memu kooda clipart use cheyatam start chesam... Yes Its official.... |
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Saarang
Comedian Username: Saarang
Post Number: 1771 Registered: 06-2012 Posted From: 131.107.192.248
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 06:03 pm: |
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Kukatpally:nenu SPURS-PACERS finals predict chesa... exact alage avuthundi
Ee thread lo emi cheppavu....Pacers ki go to star leru ani...ippudu what happened?
http://www.chalanachithram.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=1 25&post=3454726 |
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Saarang
Comedian Username: Saarang
Post Number: 1770 Registered: 06-2012 Posted From: 131.107.192.248
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 06:01 pm: |
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Banam:Spurs Ginobili release chesi evaro oka manchi candidate ni set chesthe baagundu...
Release cheyyaru..they will bring him back at a very low salary. They won't spend much...so they will only get players in 5 Million range. Splitter ni retain cheskunte adhe padivelu. |
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Saarang
Comedian Username: Saarang
Post Number: 1769 Registered: 06-2012 Posted From: 131.107.192.248
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 05:50 pm: |
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Banam:Spurs Ginobili release chesi evaro oka manchi candidate ni set chesthe baagundu...
Release cheyyaru..they will bring him back at a very low salary. They won't spend much...so they will only get players in 5 Million range. Splitter ni retain cheskunte adhe padivelu. |
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Ntr_rocks
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Post Number: 52715 Registered: 04-2009
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 05:23 pm: |
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Kukatpally:nenu SPURS-PACERS finals predict chesa... exact alage avuthundi
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Banam
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Post Number: 2196 Registered: 12-2011 Posted From: 216.105.250.50
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 05:23 pm: |
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NPA annai ee thed lo vunnadhu.... Spurs ante ongole gitta laaga podustaadhu.. nenu jump.... Buduguu, Coolmec and Rajesh Sowjanyam tho memu kooda clipart use cheyatam start chesam... Yes Its official.... |
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Banam
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Post Number: 2195 Registered: 12-2011 Posted From: 216.105.250.50
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 05:19 pm: |
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Spurs Ginobili release chesi evaro oka manchi candidate ni set chesthe baagundu.... Buduguu, Coolmec and Rajesh Sowjanyam tho memu kooda clipart use cheyatam start chesam... Yes Its official.... |
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Saarang
Comedian Username: Saarang
Post Number: 1768 Registered: 06-2012 Posted From: 131.107.192.248
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 05:18 pm: |
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Npa:howard gaadu nenu potha ni pakkaga chepthe rockets ki trade cheyyali adini by creating a doubt that mavs are also in it very seriously...
Lakers chetulo emi ledhu inka...they cannot trade a would be free agent after Feb. |
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Npa
Hero Username: Npa
Post Number: 12914 Registered: 05-2007 Posted From: 98.87.173.78
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 05:16 pm: |
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Saarang:Sign and trade only good-will tho cheyyatame...Rockets or Howard will not get any benefit from a sign and trade. May be Howard koncham good will try chestademo.
howard gaadu nenu potha ni pakkaga chepthe rockets ki trade cheyyali adini by creating a doubt that mavs are also in it very seriously... Hmmm.... |
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Saarang
Comedian Username: Saarang
Post Number: 1767 Registered: 06-2012 Posted From: 131.107.192.248
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 05:14 pm: |
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Npa: Howard re-sign cheste...Kobe or Gasol will be out guarantee...no way they will 85 million tax. Howard houston ellipothe tax kattakerledhu. sign and trade cheshi aa asik gadini lagotcha lakers
Sign and trade only good-will tho cheyyatame...Rockets or Howard will not get any benefit from a sign and trade. May be Howard koncham good will try chestademo. |
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Npa
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Post Number: 12913 Registered: 05-2007 Posted From: 98.87.173.78
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 05:13 pm: |
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Saarang:Howard re-sign cheste...Kobe or Gasol will be out guarantee...no way they will 85 million tax. Howard houston ellipothe tax kattakerledhu.
sign and trade cheshi aa asik gadini lagotcha lakers Hmmm.... |
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Saarang
Comedian Username: Saarang
Post Number: 1766 Registered: 06-2012 Posted From: 131.107.192.248
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 05:12 pm: |
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Npa:inthaki lakers luxury tax kadathara leda ettandi... gasol kurrodni trade sethara leda..
Howard re-sign cheste...Kobe or Gasol will be out guarantee...no way they will 85 million tax. Howard houston ellipothe tax kattakerledhu. |
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Kukatpally
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Post Number: 3403 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 57.69.14.65
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 04:54 pm: |
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///appatlo mamaba gadu kobe poster attinchad...taaginappudalla dani simpeyalnipinchedi naaku
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Npa
Hero Username: Npa
Post Number: 12911 Registered: 05-2007 Posted From: 98.87.173.78
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 04:52 pm: |
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Blackmamba:sadist M gaadivi.. sivariki simpi denkaav gaaa..
appatki aakul sallabadaled... Hmmm.... |
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Kukatpally
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Post Number: 3402 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 57.69.14.65
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 04:46 pm: |
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nenu SPURS-PACERS finals predict chesa... exact alage avuthundi  |
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Ntr_rocks
Moderator Username: Ntr_rocks
Post Number: 52703 Registered: 04-2009
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 04:44 pm: |
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Blackmamba:sadist M gaadivi.. sivariki simpi denkaav gaaa..
Nenu vunnapude simpesaadu anukunta....ki ki ki |
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Blackmamba
Moderator Username: Blackmamba
Post Number: 26164 Registered: 05-2010
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 04:43 pm: |
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Npa:appatlo mamaba gadu kobe poster attinchad...taaginappudalla dani simpeyalnipinchedi naaku...kiki...
sadist M gaadivi.. sivariki simpi denkaav gaaa.. |
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Npa
Hero Username: Npa
Post Number: 12910 Registered: 05-2007 Posted From: 98.87.173.78
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 04:30 pm: |
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Ntr_rocks:orini...eedu inka suns ki fanism chestunnada...Nash gaadu vellipogane vadilesad anukunna..
just softcorner ippud....basic ga NBA lo ippud naaki fanism seshe team eti ledu..antho intho suns ki soft corner ippud...appati nash days lo ayithe bhebasth fan....aa rojullo suns and lakers game appud undedi maza...raja bell on kobe..wow... appatlo mamaba gadu kobe poster attinchad...taaginappudalla dani simpeyalnipinchedi naaku...kiki... Hmmm.... |
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Blackmamba
Moderator Username: Blackmamba
Post Number: 26163 Registered: 05-2010
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 04:29 pm: |
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Npa:aa lk gaadu owner ga unnantha kalam emi gelvar suns...draft picks ayithe tega unnayii..as usual denkabedthar ayi kuda
inko 10 yrs sardukotame na aite.. |
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Blackmamba
Moderator Username: Blackmamba
Post Number: 26162 Registered: 05-2010
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 04:28 pm: |
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Ntr_rocks:orini...eedu inka suns ki fanism chestunnada...
blood lo undi fanism vadaladu  |
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Npa
Hero Username: Npa
Post Number: 12909 Registered: 05-2007 Posted From: 98.87.173.78
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 04:27 pm: |
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Blackmamba:mee vollaki kotha coach antagaa.. podisettara negest season
aa lk gaadu owner ga unnantha kalam emi gelvar suns...draft picks ayithe tega unnayii..as usual denkabedthar ayi kuda Hmmm.... |
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Ntr_rocks
Moderator Username: Ntr_rocks
Post Number: 52696 Registered: 04-2009
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 04:27 pm: |
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Blackmamba:arising from the ashes- THE SUNS kikiki..
orini...eedu inka suns ki fanism chestunnada...Nash gaadu vellipogane vadilesad anukunna.. |
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Blackmamba
Moderator Username: Blackmamba
Post Number: 26161 Registered: 05-2010
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 04:26 pm: |
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Ntr_rocks:Inthaki eedu evadi team
arising from the ashes- THE SUNS kikiki.. |
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Ntr_rocks
Moderator Username: Ntr_rocks
Post Number: 52694 Registered: 04-2009
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 04:24 pm: |
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Blackmamba:mee vollaki kotha coach antagaa
Inthaki eedu evadi team |
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Blackmamba
Moderator Username: Blackmamba
Post Number: 26160 Registered: 05-2010
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 04:20 pm: |
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Npa:
mee vollaki kotha coach antagaa.. podisettara negest season  |
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Npa
Hero Username: Npa
Post Number: 12908 Registered: 05-2007 Posted From: 98.87.173.78
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 04:18 pm: |
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Ntr_rocks:Next season Howard gaadu Houston potadu antunnaru ga..
pothe actual ga adiki oka 20 mill daaka bokka adali..kaani tx lo state tax ledu kabatti koddi migulthayii andulo...houston ayithe baaga langa ethukunnaru ...chance ayithe undi Hmmm.... |
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Ntr_rocks
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Post Number: 52691 Registered: 04-2009
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 04:14 pm: |
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Npa:inthaki lakers luxury tax kadathara leda ettandi... gasol kurrodni trade sethara leda..
Next season Howard gaadu Houston potadu antunnaru ga.. |
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Npa
Hero Username: Npa
Post Number: 12907 Registered: 05-2007 Posted From: 98.87.173.78
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 04:13 pm: |
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inthaki lakers luxury tax kadathara leda ettandi... gasol kurrodni trade sethara leda.. Hmmm.... |
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Tombrady
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Post Number: 4805 Registered: 05-2012 Posted From: 216.163.216.56
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 04:13 pm: |
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Saarang:Oka gang ani evvadu cheppadu...basic probability logic adhi..
aa formula ettu chuddari
Npa:nen manasulo predict sesa..
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Saarang
Comedian Username: Saarang
Post Number: 1765 Registered: 06-2012 Posted From: 131.107.192.248
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 04:12 pm: |
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Kukatpally:arang annai... ee sari andari predictions ki Lakers hole pettaru le aa 4 and half all-star team tho aalu finals ki poru ani yevadu anukodu kada actual west easy pick east tho compare cheste pre season lo
yeah Lakers effect ele...antha mandhi pauuplo kaalu esaaru ani esa thread |
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Npa
Hero Username: Npa
Post Number: 12905 Registered: 05-2007 Posted From: 98.87.173.78
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 04:12 pm: |
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Tombrady:2011 lo mavs winner ani entha mandhi predict chesaru?
nen manasulo predict sesa... Hmmm.... |
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Saarang
Comedian Username: Saarang
Post Number: 1764 Registered: 06-2012 Posted From: 131.107.192.248
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 04:11 pm: |
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Tombrady:lol 40 mandhi oke gang aa enti...antha individuals ee kadha ento nee logic...neeku 40 lo 10 aithey ok na adem logic chass
Oka gang ani evvadu cheppadu...basic probability logic adhi.. |
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Tombrady
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Post Number: 4802 Registered: 05-2012 Posted From: 216.163.216.56
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 04:08 pm: |
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Saarang:Easy ani evvadu cheppadu...generally undedhi 2-3 contenders...eppudo 20 years ki oka saari Mavs laanti vaalu gelustaaru...2 or 3 contenders lo 40 mandhi pick cheste oka 10 mandhi anna correct avvaledhu thread...individual predictions evvadu cheppadu.
lol 40 mandhi oke gang aa enti...antha individuals ee kadha ento nee logic...neeku 40 lo 10 aithey ok na adem logic chass |
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Kukatpally
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Post Number: 3401 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 57.69.14.65
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 04:07 pm: |
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saarang annai... ee sari andari predictions ki Lakers hole pettaru le aa 4 and half all-star team tho aalu finals ki poru ani yevadu anukodu kada actual west easy pick east tho compare cheste pre season lo  |
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Saarang
Comedian Username: Saarang
Post Number: 1761 Registered: 06-2012 Posted From: 131.107.192.248
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 04:05 pm: |
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Tombrady:2011 lo mavs winner ani entha mandhi predict chesaru? ee yr thunder ki westbrook vunte spurs win ayyedha? evariki telvadi ippudu ayyaka thed esi cheppatam veasy ee
Easy ani evvadu cheppadu...generally undedhi 2-3 contenders...eppudo 20 years ki oka saari Mavs laanti vaalu gelustaaru...2 or 3 contenders lo 40 mandhi pick cheste oka 10 mandhi anna correct avvaledhu thread...individual predictions evvadu cheppadu. |
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Tombrady
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Post Number: 4793 Registered: 05-2012 Posted From: 216.163.216.56
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 03:51 pm: |
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2011 lo mavs winner ani entha mandhi predict chesaru? ee yr thunder ki westbrook vunte spurs win ayyedha? evariki telvadi ippudu ayyaka thed esi cheppatam veasy ee |
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Tombrady
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Post Number: 4791 Registered: 05-2012 Posted From: 216.163.216.56
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 03:49 pm: |
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Saarang:hey are all highly payed and informed analysts annai..the fact that so many of them got it wrong...navvu vacchindhi. Ippudu season ayyaka future power rankings lo Lakers ni 18th rank lo pettaru....same team...janaala perceptions elo change avutaayo oka example...
em informed analyst? predictions ki deniki link enti its just their own gut feeling based on off season moves,trades and track record of teams anthe...antha minchi vallaki emi telusthadi |
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Ntr_rocks
Moderator Username: Ntr_rocks
Post Number: 52683 Registered: 04-2009
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 03:46 pm: |
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East lo matram andaru Heat ani annaru except one.. Champ prediction lo heat taravata Lakers aa..ki ki ki |
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Saarang
Comedian Username: Saarang
Post Number: 1757 Registered: 06-2012 Posted From: 131.107.192.248
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 03:45 pm: |
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Tombrady:makes sense kada...if not for injuries lakers might have been in finals atleast...predictions pre season vi lite eppudu no one can predict perfectly
Ippudu malli enduku pick chesanu ante...Hollinger tweet chesaadu.. John Hollinger â@johnhollinger: Irony 1, Hollinger 0 |
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Saarang
Comedian Username: Saarang
Post Number: 1756 Registered: 06-2012 Posted From: 131.107.192.248
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 03:42 pm: |
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Tombrady:makes sense kada...if not for injuries lakers might have been in finals atleast...predictions pre season vi lite eppudu no one can predict perfectly
They are all highly payed and informed analysts annai..the fact that so many of them got it wrong...navvu vacchindhi. Ippudu season ayyaka future power rankings lo Lakers ni 18th rank lo pettaru....same team...janaala perceptions elo change avutaayo oka example... |
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Tombrady
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Post Number: 4790 Registered: 05-2012 Posted From: 216.163.216.56
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 03:39 pm: |
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makes sense kada...if not for injuries lakers might have been in finals atleast...predictions pre season vi lite eppudu no one can predict perfectly |
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Blackmamba
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Post Number: 26158 Registered: 05-2010
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 03:39 pm: |
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Mental_sachinodu:
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Mental_sachinodu
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Post Number: 10783 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.130.5
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 the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada |
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Saarang
Comedian Username: Saarang
Post Number: 1754 Registered: 06-2012 Posted From: 131.107.192.248
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http://espn.go.com/nba/preview2012/story/_/id/8517161/2012-1 3-nba-predictions-western-conference-champion Out 1 out of 35 ESPN analysts (John Hollinger) got it right. Now, his team (Grizzles) were eliminated by Spurs in Western Conference Finals. 25 of them picked Lakers. |