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     Frodo Junior Artist Username: Frodo Post Number: 706 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 219.64.67.118 Rating: N/A |
Naatugadu : You just have to double the old points to get new points. there are a few technicalities, but at the end of 2006, fed had 8500 or so points. which in today's points table = 2*8500. In 2006, fed played 17 tournaments and made the finals of all, except cincinnati. It is the greatest year ever in ATP since rankings were introduced in 73 Sterility is hereditary. If your parents dont have kids, neither will you.  | ||
| Naatugaadu Comedian Username: Naatugaadu Post Number: 1271 Registered: 03-2010 Posted From: 149.77.164.34 Rating: N/A |
Are you sure? Actually the old Points System has less GS points than the current one.... The winner used to get 1000 points where as now they get 2000 points!!! Evadu Post cheyyalani anukunte DB block ayipoddo aade Naatugaadu... Nene.... | ||
| Frodo Junior Artist Username: Frodo Post Number: 705 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 219.64.67.118 Rating: N/A |
Sampras' domination was crazy, but Fed took that to another level. Fed's records are so many and some of them make your mind spin, if you have been looking at tennis closely. A lot of his records are celebrated and there are so many records that some really gems donot get the credit they deserve. for example, Rafa is no.1 now with less than 9000 points and that is generally the norm, but fed in 2004, 05 and 06, kept that consistently around the 13000 mark. I think Fed at his very peak took the points record to almost double of what nadal has now.  (either at end of 2006 or somewhere close to the end) also, nadal at no.2 during 2005-2008 had more points at one time than the most sampras ever accumulated as no.1 Nadal at that point would have been no.1 at any point in history but he was still a good 2000 points or so behind Roger. Fed's domination of men's tennis is very unique in sports, because men's tennis has been the gold standard for the definition of the word competition. Fed came in and killed the word competition in a dog eat dog world. Rafa is going to be more like Sampras, though he does compete way better on hardcourts and grass, than sampas ever did on clay. It is almost impossible for Rafa to do what Federer achieved when you look at all surfaces put together. Rafa is not as complete a player as Federer. djokovic comes the closest to fed as a complete player, but mentally he is a wuss, compared to rafa, roger and pete! Sterility is hereditary. If your parents dont have kids, neither will you. | ||
| Frodo Junior Artist Username: Frodo Post Number: 704 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 219.64.67.118 Rating: N/A |
FF: Halle and queens are both 250level. The winner gets 250points at both events. One of the unfair things about ATP is that there are 3 1000 point tourneys on clay and there is not even a 500 tourney on grass. Ofcourse hardcourt has 6 1000 point tournaments, but still grass is given a bad deal. I wish they would make halle and queens, both 1000 level, but it is very unlikely. Fed is the guy who should complain so that it can help him, but he doesn't seem too bothered. As for World Tour Finals, or Year end championships, they too have points. If you are aware of the format, it has 2groups of 4 players. the groups play matches in a round robin format. Each player gets to play 3 matches. Each win at group level = 200 points, so a player can get a maximum of 600 points at group level. The two top players from each group get to semis. and semi-final win = 400 points. finally, winning the final = 500 points. so a player who goes undefeated through out the tournament gets 1500 points. Fed did that in 2003 and 2004. but more often than not, players only win 2 out of the 3 matches at group stage, so 1300 points is what most champions at year end tournament earn. I think nalbandian went to the semis in 2005 with only 1 win at group stage and then he went on to win the tournament. In that case, he got only 1100 points on the whole. needless to say, no player can get to semis without winning a group match. So, there you go WTF/year end championships/ tennis masters cup, winner can get 1500, 1300 or 1100 points depending on whether he does so winning 3, 2 or 1 matches in the group stage. Sterility is hereditary. If your parents dont have kids, neither will you. | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 12569 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
thanks naatu.... eppatikappudu.....play following ye kaani....ee points vishayam pedda ga concentrate cheyyaledhu..... probably because Sampras and Fed had opened up huge leads and kept No.1 for long long periods so only when they are toppled i started to care about points..... We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. -- Aristotle | ||
| Naatugaadu Comedian Username: Naatugaadu Post Number: 1270 Registered: 03-2010 Posted From: 149.77.164.34 Rating: N/A |
In the finals winner gets points (1500) and 200 for each league win and 400 for SF win and 500 for finalist.... Evadu Post cheyyalani anukunte DB block ayipoddo aade Naatugaadu... Nene.... | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 12568 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
Actually both are Tour level 250 points tourneys.... so winner gets 250 points... -- oh ok..... good to know that..... We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. -- Aristotle | ||
| Naatugaadu Comedian Username: Naatugaadu Post Number: 1269 Registered: 03-2010 Posted From: 149.77.164.34 Rating: N/A |
Actually both are Tour level 250 points tourneys.... so winner gets 250 points... Evadu Post cheyyalani anukunte DB block ayipoddo aade Naatugaadu... Nene.... | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 12566 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
Frodo..... thanks....for that post.... so is halle a points tourney or just a invitational for preparation to wimbledon? not sure about queens....think it is invitational tourney which doesnt carry any points..... Year end lo London lo they held a tourney for top 8 last year and they are having it again at the same location this year.....i know it is a reward of being in year end top 8 but.....are they rewared points wise for that tourney as well? We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. -- Aristotle | ||
| Frodo Junior Artist Username: Frodo Post Number: 703 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 219.64.67.118 Rating: N/A |
To an extent Yes. There is a limit though. I will pass on lot of ifs and buts and explain the system predominantly from a top-30 players view, which is where davydenko has spent most of the last 5-6years. The ATP needs top 30 to play in 12 mandatory events = 4GS + 8Masters (Indian wells, miami, rome, madrid, toronto/montreal, cincinnati, Shanghai and paris). GS gives champions 2000 points, finalists 1200 points, semi-finalists 720 points so on. MS gives champions 1000 points, finalists 600 points, semis 360 points, so on The players can also have 4 500-level tournament points. Even if you play 20 500-level tournaments, ATP takes only best 4. similarly 2 250level tournament points. The ATP takes only best 2 of any number you might play. If you are in the top 8, you get to play in the World Tour finals at the end of the year. So, with the best of your efforts, 19 tournaments is all the ATP looks at. So there is not too much damage a guy like Davydenko can do by playing 25+ tournaments. Davydenko does that because he is greedy and wants more money, not for ranking. though it does help him get an advantage over players, but as Naatugadu pointed out, he is risking his chances at bigger tournaments by playing more tournaments. All in all, ATP ranking is quite a fair deal. almost all people who deserve the no.1 ranking have achieved it. and all those who ever have been no.1 on ATP are great players who earned their chops. The only guy you can complain about maybe Marcelo Rios in 1998, but he is one of the most talented players to pick up a tennis racquet and he is the only exception to the fairness of the rankings. The WTA on the other hand as cases like jankovic, safina, even clijsters, mauresmo who became no.1 without winning a GS. Roger even pointed that out once and Jankovic did not like that one bit. Roger definitely has a point, but also the williams sisters are not as committed to tennis as Roger or Rafa are. Once these two step-down, there might be WTA like results, but for now the ATP rankings are the best in town. Sterility is hereditary. If your parents dont have kids, neither will you. | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 12565 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
naaku ee 52 week rolling points system.....fair gaaney anipisthundhi.... recent consistency is rewarded than historic acheivements.... Wimbledon......should be very entertaining.... We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. -- Aristotle | ||
| Frodo Junior Artist Username: Frodo Post Number: 702 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 219.64.67.118 Rating: N/A |
The way ATP rankings work is based on a rolling 52week period. So any points a player has today = sum total of all points he earned in the last 52 weeks (1year). So when wimbledon 2010 ends, wimbledon 2009 points go out of the sum for all the players. At the same time whatever points the player earns at wimbledon 2010 will get added to it. Let us take Roger's example. He won wimbledon 2009. so, his 8390 points that he has today include 2000 points that champions at Grand Slams get. So if Roger wins wimbledon 2010, the 2000 points from 2009 wimbledon go out from 8390 and the 2000 points from wimbledon 2010 come in to the sum of his points, so his total points stay at 8390. If Roger loses in the finals, he gets 1200 points for making the wimbledon 2010 finals, but he loses 2000 points becuase wimbledon 2009 can no longer be counted. we can see this as a net loss of 800 points for Roger which will bring his total to 7590. Doing similarly for nadal, he will lose 0 points because he did not play 2009 wimbledon. So whatever points he gets in wimbledon 2010, just add on to his points total. We can say Roger is defending 2000 points at wimbledon and nadal 0 points. similarly roddick is defending 1200 points at wimbledon for making the finals. Sterility is hereditary. If your parents dont have kids, neither will you. | ||
| Naatugaadu Comedian Username: Naatugaadu Post Number: 1268 Registered: 03-2010 Posted From: 149.77.164.34 Rating: N/A |
Absolutely... But most of the tourneys are 250 ATP series..... Masters thakkuva vuntaay... andulonu okate week lo rendu moodu tourneys kooodaa vundochu.... so generally they follow almost same schedule every year..... ekkuva aadithe pedda vaatilo debbai pothaar...  Evadu Post cheyyalani anukunte DB block ayipoddo aade Naatugaadu... Nene.... | ||
| Naatugaadu Comedian Username: Naatugaadu Post Number: 1267 Registered: 03-2010 Posted From: 149.77.164.34 Rating: N/A |
Yeah thats true..... Evadu Post cheyyalani anukunte DB block ayipoddo aade Naatugaadu... Nene.... | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 12562 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
ok...defend ardham ayyindhi... can they gain extra points by playing other ATP tourneys if getting back the points is their main aim? i think Davydenko did that to stay in the top 5 We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. -- Aristotle | ||
| Frodo Junior Artist Username: Frodo Post Number: 701 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 219.64.67.118 Rating: N/A |
Usopen lo fed has only runner-up points to defend = 1200. nadal has semi-final points to defend = 720. at aus open, fed has 2000 to defend. nadal has QF points to defend = 360 points Sterility is hereditary. If your parents dont have kids, neither will you. | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 12561 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
ok ok... ardham ayyindhi..... system edho fair gaaney undhi naaku aithey..... We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. -- Aristotle | ||
| Naatugaadu Comedian Username: Naatugaadu Post Number: 1264 Registered: 03-2010 Posted From: 149.77.164.34 Rating: N/A |
Correction: At the end of this year's wimbledon he will loose 2000 points... Evadu Post cheyyalani anukunte DB block ayipoddo aade Naatugaadu... Nene.... | ||
| Naatugaadu Comedian Username: Naatugaadu Post Number: 1263 Registered: 03-2010 Posted From: 149.77.164.34 Rating: N/A |
Akkada thappu lo kaalesaav.... Ippudu Nadal has 8700 and Fed has some 8390 or something.... Points prathi tourment ayyaaka first aa tourneylo sadaru player last year entaa score chesaado anni points theesesi aa tarvaatha current editionlo kottina points add settaar... So ante Fed has last year's 2000 points in the total of 8390.... At the end of this year's Wimbledon has will 2000 and then gets whatever he scores... adhi matter... at the same time Rafa has 0 points from last Wimbledon as he did not play... Evadu Post cheyyalani anukunte DB block ayipoddo aade Naatugaadu... Nene.... | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 12559 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
naatugadu... defned chesukopothey nastam ekkuva? i thought.....they would gain points based on where they reach and simple as that..... We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. -- Aristotle | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 12558 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
Fed play is usual grasscourt tourney....in Halle... and Nadal starts today much closer to wimbledon at queens.... here we go...Grass court matches begin.... We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. -- Aristotle | ||
| Naatugaadu Comedian Username: Naatugaadu Post Number: 1259 Registered: 03-2010 Posted From: 149.77.164.34 Rating: N/A |
In the near future it is almost not possible..... Endukante Fedex defend chesukovaalsina points chaanaa vunnaay.... Rafa wimbledon defend cheyyaalsina points em levv..... Oka vela Fedex Wimbledon mallee gelchinaa points change avvav.... but ade Nadal semifinals lo odinaaa oka 800 points daaka vasthaay... alaane US Openlo koodaa.... next year AUS open lo koodaa.... Evadu Post cheyyalani anukunte DB block ayipoddo aade Naatugaadu... Nene.... | ||
| Naatugaadu Comedian Username: Naatugaadu Post Number: 1258 Registered: 03-2010 Posted From: 149.77.164.34 Rating: N/A |
French is the toughest slam of all.... Fitness and finesse ki test annattu... Evadu Post cheyyalani anukunte DB block ayipoddo aade Naatugaadu... Nene.... | ||
| Frodo Junior Artist Username: Frodo Post Number: 698 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 59.161.176.156 Rating: N/A |
Sampras should send Nadal a nice thank you card. Fed has been busy exploring the nether-levels of tennis, but Rafa stepped up on the clay, like a true champion. I still think this is the worst he has played at RG since 2005, (ofcourse 2009 not included). The draw opened out to him, very much like the clay season - as fed, murray and djokovic started playing tennis that even boycott's mum could handle playing left-handed. and Blindfold. and sitting in a wheel chair. and while talking to boycott on her cell-phone. and.... ok, i will stop, you get the point. delpotro, davydenko and nalbandian are all injured. so nadal, really was not pushed. Soderling, who i really thought will put nadal to the sword, came up cold-turkey. nevertheless, nadal won the trophy without dropping a set! which is just insane! Fed still has the ball in his court, as far as the year end no.1 is concerned. Wimbledon, toronto, cincinnati and USopen are all good hunting grounds for Roger, but the million$ question is how badly does Papa Fed want it? If he does not wake up this week and nail Halle and Wimbledon, the ball will start drifting away from his reach, real fast. I hope he wakes up and that these 2 champs give us an exciting and thrilling end to this roller-coaster of a tennis year. Allez Roger & Vamos Rafa! Sterility is hereditary. If your parents dont have kids, neither will you. | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 12513 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
naa varaku.....artificial surface lo tennis.....assalu nacchadu.... that way....wimbledon and then french are better for me.....French problem entantey.....clay courts lo usual star players falter.....except for Fed kind of guys..... so it didnt make big players playing against each other regularly over the years.... Kuerten,Muster,brugeira,chang lanti vallu gelichaaru......may be andukey.....regular tennis fans ki nacchakapovacchu.....but for players its a challenge.......Sampras.....annee kottaadu.....french lo sorry..... We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. -- Aristotle | ||
| Sachin Hero Username: Sachin Post Number: 16305 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 198.204.133.208 Rating: N/A |
eeedebbba soderling gaaadu prathi year oka manchi match aadi chasthadu anukunta...last year nadal ki padindi eesaaari king ki padindi..... | ||
| Johnny_quest Comedian Username: Johnny_quest Post Number: 1343 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 65.188.177.45 Rating: N/A |
French Open Antha Sodhi US, Aus Open anthe Exiting tournaments undavu Sinna Tambhi Seekulukavala , Seekulu Tini B'lu Kavala Dyke Egotistical Rascal ki one Quarter pounder Parcel | ||
| All_mix Moderator Username: All_mix Post Number: 14687 Registered: 02-2009 Rating: N/A |
french open ki eppudu oka hilite match aina untadi annai ee sari matram  | ||
| Newguy123 Hero Username: Newguy123 Post Number: 10830 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 67.84.99.245 Rating: N/A |
nakaithe eppudu chusina french open boring ye | ||
| All_mix Moderator Username: All_mix Post Number: 14686 Registered: 02-2009 Rating: N/A |
nenu chusina french open's lo intha boring di inkoti ledu | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 12511 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
final miss ayya... score line choosaka.....easily won anukunta..... ee madya...papam Fed ki.....hunger thaggindhi....nothing more to acheive ani feel ayyeru.... Fed mallee number one avuthaada? next up wimbledon...... We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. -- Aristotle |
