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Mental_sachinodu:

we are talking about everything. hobbies ilantivi kooda... anniti gurinchi nenu aduguthunnadhi...




mama, ivanni theory ki, lectures dancha daniki saipothadi.

practical ga workput gaavu.

we(society) have dug our own grave pit and we are inside it anthe
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annai,
nenu mundhi ninchi chepthunna, we are not talking just about careers. we are talking about everything. hobbies ilantivi kooda... anniti gurinchi nenu aduguthunnadhi...
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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I agree mama, but really my interest is somewhere else..

and i cant make a life out of it if i follow that kadha....

its the society that is dictating and everybody is forced to follow it....

if u dont follow society, GONE WITH the WIND type aithadi...

imagine all guys take coaching eamcet coaching and 1 guy says I become BA and hence not join coach. what it can lead to
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Hail_the_labour:

Brain unnodu Competetion is OK antadu.


brother, okkokkari brain okkola pani chesthundi kada. some understand things quickly, some slowly. If you give a time line for two people to ocmplete a task, one will complete it and other might take little extra time. antha mathrana he cant be said brainless fellow vvadu kada. competition is very biased to such people. they are hardworking and industrious, but people with inherent smartness always win over the others during school and college days. But if you see teh great scientists of world, they are not the fastest thinkers and tehy rarely excelled in school, but they became the best because they were the most perseverant compared to others. Things like that have to be encouraged.

Plus inherent interest ayithe totally irrelevant in India. If you are from AP, be a software engineer - rule of thumb now a days. family pressure, society pressure and peer pressure. how many pressures a man can endure?
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naaku kooda SOftware industry antha lucrative pay/growth istha ante

BA jestha, M-set,IITset lekunda
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Hail_the_labour:

Brain unnodu Competetion is OK antadu.

Lenodu SOdhi jepthadu

rest me edhi thosthe adhi jese freedom




reverse kooda try avochu, brain unnodiki competition tho pani ledhu, he does what he wants and the rest compete with him. :D
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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especially some parents like to show off their kids' achievements. it really creates a bad environment in the family


Yes. Its bad for everyone in the long run. Such attitude creates a sense of false ego around children and once they fail in future, they cant handle it and might even go in to depression. I have seen many people like that.

Competition anedi undaale kaani maree ade jeevitham anna level lo brainwash cheyyoddu. chala mandi parents thamu saadinchalenivanni vaalla pillala tho saadiddamanukuntaru...they go to any extent. anthakanna selfishness inkoti undadu...

sibling rivalry...broken friendships...enno vasthayi veeti valla.
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Brain unnodu Competetion is OK antadu.

Lenodu SOdhi jepthadu

rest me edhi thosthe adhi jese freedom
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Ishan:

But handling jealousy from your friends and relatives is altogether different matter, thats also a big issue in India.



especially some parents like to show off their kids' achievements. it really creates a bad environment in the family
Simha is conceptually hollywood range film - OT
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Great posts Vjavsi bro. Yeah..competition in India is unbearable. such educational system will impart only dominance over the others and not the quality. etlagayina gelavaali anna mondi thanam maathram baaga develop avuddi. selfishness egoism kooda baaga ekkuvayuthundi...

I too never liked the idea of competition. I always believed that if you put your best efforts, you will be automatically in the cream layer. But handling jealousy from your friends and relatives is altogether different matter, thats also a big issue in India.
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Vjavasi:

i have seen people in US who may take more time to find answer to a simple arithmetic problem...but they possess in-depth knowledge of mathematical formulation of quantum mechanics....many great achievers in the field of science and technology performed average in school academics....In india the approach of teaching itself is wrong......in my opinion equal importance should be given to both language, pronounciation, reading, writing and basic math skills at primary level if they have to succeed well in future...language skills bring confidence...our language skills are pathetic...especially in andhra




Right on, you nailed it absolutely.

Funny how you bring this up. Yesterday, we were watching Maa TV's "Lady Boss" program. There were three participants and they were given four or five telugu movie names with missing letters (in telugu), they have to fill them out. Only one contestant filled ONE movie name. All of them said they do not know telugu. Idi mana dhourbhagyam. :-(
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Vjavasi:

bedaru meeku oka question....meeru inter lo Math, Physics, chem chadivinapudu aa concepts ardham chesukodaniki konchem ekkuva kastapaddara ledha?.....adhe maatru bhasha lo chadivi vunte antha kasta padi vundalsi vachedi kadhu ani anukuntunnara?...my feeling is for people whose mother tongue is english understand these concepts in a better way with much less effort....very few in india understand these concepts that too after great efforts




I am of the same opinion bro, i feel making English the language that is used for teaching other subjects is not correct. I feel English should be taught just like any other language, and the other subjects should be in the local language.

my dad used to explain everything to me, in telugu, and it used to help me alot.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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bedaru meeku oka question....meeru inter lo Math, Physics, chem chadivinapudu aa concepts ardham chesukodaniki konchem ekkuva kastapaddara ledha?.....adhe maatru bhasha lo chadivi vunte antha kasta padi vundalsi vachedi kadhu ani anukuntunnara?...my feeling is for people whose mother tongue is english understand these concepts in a better way with much less effort....very few in india understand these concepts that too after great efforts
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Vjavasi:

i have seen people in US who may take more time to find answer to a simple arithmetic problem...but they possess in-depth knowledge of mathematical formulation of quantum mechanics....many great achievers in the field of science and technology performed average in school academics....In india the approach of teaching itself is wrong......in my opinion equal importance should be given to both language, pronounciation, reading, writing and basic math skills at primary level if they have to succeed well in future...language skills bring confidence...our language skills are pathetic...especially in andhra




baa cheppav bro.. private schools killed languages and arts in india.. that is another argument...
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If there are limited seats, this is bound to happen

Instead, the admission process should be like, if some one scores 180/200, he HAS TO get a seat. No matter how many people qualify, they have to get seats

Is this possible?
Simha is conceptually hollywood range film - OT
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i have seen people in US who may take more time to find answer to a simple arithmetic problem...but they possess in-depth knowledge of mathematical formulation of quantum mechanics....many great achievers in the field of science and technology performed average in school academics....In india the approach of teaching itself is wrong......in my opinion equal importance should be given to both language, pronounciation, reading, writing and basic math skills at primary level if they have to succeed well in future...language skills bring confidence...our language skills are pathetic...especially in andhra
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Mental_sachinodu:

bro,

it is not whether there should be competitions, and the reason for the competitive structure in india, I am taking about the reason for an individual to get motivated about something he wants to achieve. Competition is inherent in survival, and we cannot escape it, but what is the deliberate reason, that an individual tries to take up something or tries to excel in something.

is it for a passion to be better than the rest of everybody, or to be better than himself?




What a coincidence, me and my wife had this same discussion couple of weeks ago. In a ideal situation, we all should strive to pursue what we like. This results in us being happy mentally and lead to a purposeful life. With our lives being so fast and so complicated, I doubt it works out this way.
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Humpty_dumpty:

Damn, I am confused now.




there you go, nenu ee thread start cheyataniki kooda one of the reasons is this confusion.

both the approaches have some great examples that you can use to support the approach, and it worked great in both ways. Was just wondering how many feel the way i do, and how many feel the need for passion behind the things they pick up.

another thing of note, when i started this thread, it was not just for careers, it could be anything you do in your life.
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Dreamcatcher:

absolutely agree with you, but at the same time, with so few resources and so much demand, competetion inevitably comes into picture. Not just with education, it applies to everything. It works in US because of the population count, number of opportunities available, spending culture, etc.




bro,

it is not whether there should be competitions, and the reason for the competitive structure in india, I am taking about the reason for an individual to get motivated about something he wants to achieve. Competition is inherent in survival, and we cannot escape it, but what is the deliberate reason, that an individual tries to take up something or tries to excel in something.

is it for a passion to be better than the rest of everybody, or to be better than himself?
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Mrhyderabad:

But mana desis matram ikakda kuda same deal. Most of desis force their kids to take up music/dance classes (for gitls), Karate or some other stuff for boys...




Tammi, anything wrong with introducing your kids to your own culture? Kids at a tender age do not know what they like and don't like. You have to introduce things (be it arts, food, books, everything) to them and see how they react. That is the only way to know that they like and don't like. Do you realize karate gives kids self confidence (boys or girls)? It is very essential for kids in this country to survive with so much bullying that goes around in schools.


Mrhyderabad:

Most of desi kids are forced to for medicine...




This was a thing with first generation indians here. Doubt if it is still happening.
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//Most of desi kids are forced to for medicine.//

hyder,
some of the successful passionate Americans
- Williams sisters, tiger woods, Michael Jackson, Andre Agaasi. [They all acknowledge they were pushed by their dads]

I agree with you on the desis pushing their kids. It would be good if they expose their kids to many things and see what the kid likes rather than what they like.
The other thing one has to consider that the % of people doing stuff out of sheer passion is relatively less. So sometimes the push by parents looks okay.

Damn, I am confused now.
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Mrhyderabad:

"It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change."

- Darwin





Simha is conceptually hollywood range film - OT
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Humpty_dumpty:

Beating competition is also a passion in itself. It just shows your desire to be the best at what you can do.




Humpty bro,

yes, most say this, and somehow it does not gel well with me. I guess that passion to be above everyone else is what I lack. To me the best you can do, is when i beat myself, and be better than what i already am. that defines best for me.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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"It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change."

- Darwin
If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you
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Though doing a job can be attributed to passion only, measurement of success and failure is inevitable. Bill gates might have been passionate in his work but the results do show he was successful.

Beating competition is also a passion in itself. It just shows your desire to be the best at what you can do. Somehow success or failure ( relative) reflects the degree of passion.

@coke
//But if your goal is weight loss, then you dont compete with anyone//

I disagree with this. Why does one need to loose weight. other than health, the obvious thing for me is to look good as some hunk or shilpa shetty. You are thereby setting the bench mark for yourself and will be measuring your efforts against it.
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Vjavasi:

US lo choodandi they do what they like and they excel in whtever they do


But mana desis matram ikakda kuda same deal. Most of desis force their kids to take up music/dance classes (for gitls), Karate or some other stuff for boys...

Most of desi kids are forced to for medicine...
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Cocanada:

what do you mean by cracking?




that is what exactly my question is, what are you aiming at? Aiming at getting a better score that some person you know, may be your cousin who scored 250. or is it make it to the best schools, or is it to test yourself.

in my case, my motivation was to see how many questions i could get right. i was not sure what my rank was going to be, and certainly did not worry about which colleges to join. my teachers asked me to appear for many other CETs in india, and I appeared only for Eamcet, my next criteria was to get into a college that is near to my place(due to family constraints).
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Vjavasi:




absolutely agree with you, but at the same time, with so few resources and so much demand, competetion inevitably comes into picture. Not just with education, it applies to everything. It works in US because of the population count, number of opportunities available, spending culture, etc.
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Mental_sachinodu:

what is the motivation behind it, EAMCET rase vaadu, EAMCET raaya taniki reason enti ani, is it because he is challenging with himself to see if he can crack it, or is he competing with his brother, sister or friends or someone who has cracked it, and needed to compete with them?




what do you mean by cracking?

getting 160/200? or 195/200 ?

or getting seat in govt college?

it depends on your target. For most of them, it is getting seat in a good college

No. of aspirants > No. of opportunities

So...competition is inevitable
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Vjavasi:

my opinion is competetion is killing creativity in india...entha sepu janalaki pakkanodi meedhe dhyasa...US lo choodandi they do what they like and they excel in whtever they do




I was thinking on that lines bro..
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Cocanada:

you are always competing with others where there no. of opportunities are limited

e.g. promotion, EAMCET, job interviews etc




bro,
what is the motivation behind it, EAMCET rase vaadu, EAMCET raaya taniki reason enti ani, is it because he is challenging with himself to see if he can crack it, or is he competing with his brother, sister or friends or someone who has cracked it, and needed to compete with them?
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Mental_sachinodu:






my opinion is competetion is killing creativity in india...entha sepu janalaki pakkanodi meedhe dhyasa...US lo choodandi they do what they like and they excel in whtever they do
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you are always competing with others where the no. of opportunities are limited

e.g. promotion, EAMCET, job interviews etc

But if your goal is weight loss, then you dont compete with anyone.

you HAVE TO compete with others most of the time

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Posted on Monday, May 24, 2010 - 10:56 am:   Insert Quote Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In a world where we measure ourselves with relative comparisons, do you feel you are competing with someone, in each arena of your life.

I was never a person who wanted to excel in a competition so i could be at the top, I believe in doing something only out of passion for it, and i believe success/failure is just a state of mind, and you should define it for yourselves.

I seem to irk quite a few nerves when i discuss with others, and I find most people disagree with me on this. Some of my close friends, feel the need of competition to excel at a particular task, and while i find it validating, and an approach that works, I could not find myself being able to motivate enough with that approach. To me, if i am competing against someone, it is myself.

I perfectly understand that each have their own way of approach towards life, I just wanted to share here, and see what you guys think about it.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada

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