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     Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7355 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
 I am seeing the commonalities, you are seeing the differences - so it makes for a great discussion from both angles The way I am seeing they both start at the physiological...Patanjali thru asanas to get the body into condition before higher levels can be accessible, Maslow says bodily needs should be fulfilled before you can aspire higher
Agree,and that is close to my understanding too. But to me it is uncannily similar to how Maslow describes Self-actualization..
All these are action oriented , not result oriented Maslow's description of self-actualization: “What a man can be, he must be.”[6] This forms the basis of the perceived need for self-actualization. This level of need pertains to what a person's full potential is and realizing that potential. Maslow describes this desire as the desire to become more and more what one is, to become everything that one is capable of becoming.[7] This is a broad definition of the need for self-actualization, but when applied to individuals the need is specific. For example one individual may have the strong desire to become an ideal parent, in another it may be expressed athletically, and in another it may be expressed in painting, pictures, or inventions.[8] As mentioned before, in order to reach a clear understanding of this level of need one must first not only achieve the previous needs, physiological, safety, love, and esteem, but master these needs. Below are Maslow’s descriptions of a self-actualized person’s different needs and personality traits. Maslow was a professor of Dr. Wayne Dyer. Dyer suggests that Maslow taught him two ways of understanding self-actualization: 1) to be free of the good opinion of others; 2) to do things not simply for the outcome but because it's the reason you are here on earth. Ee definition ki realization ki difference emiti in your mind ? I look at the part of no further janmas as a projected outcome of realization - not actually a definition of the state of realization aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1692 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 71.170.131.231 Rating: |
The distinction in my opinion is very clear. Pathanjali says - yogas chitta vritti nirodaha, meaning 'yoga' is the one that controls the wavering of mind. Pathanjali yoga sutras say practice of the yoga will lead to a state of 'stabdata' which is called 'nirbheeja' where our mind goes to a state where we do not have any object of focus. The different forms of yoga practices are aimed at the state where the knower and object of knowledge become one, rising of the kundalini shakthi from the muladhara chakram signifies this transition. once the mind is controlled and the body is controlled by the practise of various asanas then other things fall in line. Asanas as practised to get control over physical, mental, psychological, consciousness and if we have all these in control the way to kundalini opens up. I feel Maslow's need hierarchy addresses the physical necessities to begin with and concentrates more on the fulfillment of the same. Towards the apex of the pyramid the person is aiming at self-actualization rather than self-realization. They both are completely different in my opinion. according to my understanding, self-realization is a process by which any human being can realize his real self. so what does this real self mean? It means that our soul within our body which is the real self within every being (and for that matter every living being) reaches the end of its cosmic life. that is no more janmas. self actualized people still have needs , they have needs to like justice, wisdom and truth now per my opinion a person in self-actualized state may achieve self-realization but a person who is self-realized does not have the needs associated with self-actualization. thanks for bringing in an excellent topic In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7347 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
But coming at it from very different angles Kundalini's rising is considered the spiritual progress of a soul on the path to realization , while Maslow's theory talks of the the progression of psychological needs.
The reason the analogy intrigued me was because it was in line with what I said the other day about the soul's natural tendency to rise.. that maybe kundalini position is just an indication of how content you are with each level of need fulfilment Kind of like a mercury level 
Sometime back meeru post vesaru saying realization( I know this is a subjective term) is part of the process of maturing to an adult - I tend to agree ... So if I take this parity further, As long as the lower level needs(desires ?) are not fulfilled(or negated?) kundalini does not rise either Now the point to ponder...negate chesi rise ayina level ki , fulfil chesi rise ayina level ki emaina difference untunda ? Ante aa level ki reach ayyaka, oka yogi ki bhogi ki difference untunda, does the path taken matter ? Janaka maharaju is a good example of the second kind,I think The only obvious difference I see, is that for a person who has negated - there is a smaller risk of lower level needs reappearing and pulling the level back down...but a lot of sanyasis have fallen prey to the same risk... Thoughts ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 3530 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
Anand garu, that was a good take, kani naaku konchem clarity ledhu, will think about it a little. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Cinejeevi Side Hero Username: Cinejeevi Post Number: 5069 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 91.103.41.50 Rating: N/A |
i had been to some lectures in the last week and will put my thoughts in brief manner sometime next week or following week. it was good and interesting and worth the time anipinchindi congratulations to Razesh!! | ||
| Cocanada Moderator Username: Cocanada Post Number: 20841 Registered: 01-2008 Rating: N/A |
Good one Anand Simha is conceptually hollywood range film - OT | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1682 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 71.170.131.231 Rating: N/A |
good one In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 6239 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.120 Rating: N/A |
Good analogy. Dont know anything about these models... But both are more or less based on same concept ani maatram ardham ayindi  If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7341 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.174.176.93 Rating: N/A |
Disclaimer: Purists please ignore this thread .These are my thoughts based on my understanding only...may be completely wrong I may be seeing parallels simply because of my belief that all spiritual practice has its roots in psychological needs – so the parallels may not work for everyone Mods : If it offends the audience here - please go ahead and delete this thread Maslow's theory and Patanjali's(?) Kundalini system Though I have known and understood these two concepts separately for a long time ,about a week ago in the rush of getting ready for work, the similarity struck me . Thought I would put it out here First the easier to understand Maslow’s hierarchy of needs : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs Maslow’s theory (1943) is represented in the form of a pyramid . The base of the pyramid is bodily needs , the apex is self-actualization needs. There is a defined seqeunce of progression… The concept is that your needs change as you go up the pyramid by fulfilling each level A brief description of the need classification: Self Actualization ---creativity, problem-solving, morality, spontaneity, acceptance of facts Esteem needs usually split in to two sections : High level esteem needs : self-respect, the need for strength, competence, mastery, self-confidence, independence and freedom. Low level esteem needs : Respect of others, need for status, recognition, fame, prestige, and attention Love and Belonging : Friendship, family, intimacy , affiliation Security/safety needs : security of : body, employment, family, resources, health and property Physiological needs : All bodily needs – survival of individual and species Now I switch gears to the Kundalini/chakra system. One explanation given is physiological /glandular alignment of the chakras with glands. But the one that occurred to me today was the psychological aspect.To my mind, the Kundalini/chakra system.It depicts the exact same sequence of progression of Kundalini Sakti thru the levels and the rise of Kundalini to the apex is considered realization. Sahasrara Chakra-Crown of the head(Pituitary)-ruling realization-Self-actualization needs Ajna Chakra-Forehead(Pineal)ruling knowledge-High level esteem needs Vishuddha Chakra-Throat(Thyroid) ruling expression–Low level esteem needs Anahata Chakra-Heart(Thymus)-ruling emotions-Love and belonging Manipuraka Chakra-Navel(Pancreas)-ruling resources-Safety/security needs Swadhistana Chakra-Reproductive glands(Ovaries/Testes)-ruling procreation – Physiological survial needs of the species Muladhara Chakra-base of spine-ruling base bodily functions–Physiological survival needs of the individual And because I am a visual thinker the image of a person sitting in Gnana mudra in padmasana , superimposed on the Maslow’s pyramid , is an almost exact fit The mind sees patterns where we want to see them Just musings and food for thought for people similarly inclined aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale |
