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     Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 3826 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.45.218 Rating: N/A |
Anytime  ...Yeh jo mein bekararr hoon...Har lamha Ishq to nahi...Yeh jo mujhe bekhudi se hai...Tu jaise mujhe mein hai kahin... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vn2OiT1Z2Y&feature=related | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7276 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Thank you aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 3825 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.45.218 Rating: |
@Anand, Ikakda egoist ante compliment ga ichaanu...malli feel ayyi 'disappointed' ani post veyyakandi...... ...Yeh jo mein bekararr hoon...Har lamha Ishq to nahi...Yeh jo mujhe bekhudi se hai...Tu jaise mujhe mein hai kahin... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vn2OiT1Z2Y&feature=related | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 3823 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.45.218 Rating: |
Ekkadiki vellaledu emi oohinchukoledu...I am arguing on point to point basis. I don't take this DB not even 1% as seriously as you do. I am neither interested nor have such time. Inka posts ki feel ayye samasye raadu.
What made you to presume that? You posted something and I said its incorrect. If the argumentative style of discussion is not comfortable for you or if you did not like to have the discussion at all, you could have just said it instead.
What makes you think my findings will be similar to yours? Isn't it the basic information that no two interpretations of spiritual findings are identical? THis is what I call being presumptuous. There was nothing wrong with my view point, it was you who had biased assumptions.
Its pretty clear that you did not even read my previous post. I did not find any thing wrong with this particular post, but I said it was very immaturish to quote this one to include in your post in 'this' discussion. Abbo...May be its time for you to stop being so 'wise' Yeah - or may be who is the greatest egoist and we I think we already have an answer. Spot on. a self realized person doesn't go to discussion boards to show off. ...Yeh jo mein bekararr hoon...Har lamha Ishq to nahi...Yeh jo mujhe bekhudi se hai...Tu jaise mujhe mein hai kahin... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vn2OiT1Z2Y&feature=related | ||
| Jacksparrow Comedian Username: Jacksparrow Post Number: 1958 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 89.234.93.245 Rating: N/A |
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| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2269 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.65 Rating: N/A |
super cheppav brother...anduke wild imaginations pakkana petti peddalu choppina time tested path ni choose chesukovali ani na opinion | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2268 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.65 Rating: N/A |
i took vacation for a month and worked for couple of months from india bro....will return to US soon | ||
| Parthasaradhi Junior Artist Username: Parthasaradhi Post Number: 987 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 68.36.127.150 Rating: N/A |
To Whom It May Concern, 1. First of all, discussion about state of self realization is ridiculous. It is like a blind man giving lectures about beautiful sunset.Only a path we are following to self realization needs discussion. Only a self realized person can give authoritative answers and explain merits and demerits of a particular approach. Everyone else should keep quiet and be wary. 2. Infinite ego is definitely not the way to go or advise. But words may mean different things to different people especially in the abstract philosophical discussions. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7274 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
LOL -feels like it
Ishan, Typo- that should read "my"- malli mimmalni annanu ani feel avvakandi aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Desparado Comedian Username: Desparado Post Number: 1469 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 71.52.2.6 Rating: N/A |
MOds pls change the Title to "whos the greatest warrior in the CCDB"  | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7273 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: |
Relax -ekkadiko vellipoyi, evevo oohinchukoni anavasaram ga feel avutunnaru I always have and still do a lot of respect for you.. I can try explaining but I felt you are too attached to your version to understand - okay let me give one last try... Your contention has always have been about my ego 0 Vs Infinity for a long time... Conceptually to me there is no difference... when the boundaries between you and the Supreme consciousness are erased, you are nothing and you are everything ... You had experiences annaru - if you have had this one you will understand .. you feel yourself collapsing to the minutest point,you lose identity in an infinite light and then you are the light, you are everywhere...it may be my maya showing me this but it is the perfect logical culmination to me When I said wait a few years, it was to because I thought given your spiritual inclination - you would find something similar - but unfortunately when the view point is wrong even a compliment is taken wrongly Same with the thread I quoted - do you remember what I said in that thread? Let me refresh your memory
What was so wrong in that appreciation of your progress that you are getting so worked up is beyond my comprehension..but that could just be may immaturity and arrogance aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Telugu_times Moderator Username: Telugu_times Post Number: 17089 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
are you visiting india or on a project in India? | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 3822 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.45.218 Rating: |
lol, first of all - post ki straight ga reply ivvakunda 'save my post and read it after few years' ani statement ivvadam is heights of arrogance. So - you meant that my current level of understanding doesn't match that of yours? you might be a very knowledgeable person, but underestimating others is very immature. Still I did not reply to that post. Okahyderabadi bro was as confused as I was and when he gave a simple opinion, you come back with a long post which still did not include a clarification of your semantics but included " I did not want to argue because our definitions wont match" - In discussions, it is very common to have different definitions and presumptions while you are arguing. Either you clarify them or do not reply to the posts. Anthe kaani save my post and comeback later ani or do it as a thought experiment ani evvaru reply ivvaru. How come you authorized yourself to take such liberty? And this is not the first time you said this! Even then I apologized to you trying to level out things and stop this nonsensical argument which is spoiling the spirit of the thread. Then in reply you give a totally unwarranted statement "kuch cheeze padh ke samjhi jati hai , kuch anubhav se" and once again played the age-factor or experience card to show off your superiority. Do I have to prove you that age has nothing to do with maturity? In this DB itself there are people who are younger or equal aged to me and yet more mature than both of us! Then you resorted to quote a past post of mine in your reply. How mature is that? Past posts are past - the tone and the contexts were totally different form the current ones. I don't even completely remember when and why I say things in the past. Then, for the third time again you play the experience factor and asked me if my post was based on conjecture or experience? So if there is no experience, one can't give a meaningful opinion? and how did you conclude that I don't have enough experience. Now tell me who is the one that is entitled to be disappointed? You preach other Dbers for non-resistance while you yourself don't follow it. A part of your replies imply simplicity and the very next,an uncalled-for satire or criticism! Counters isthe malli very disappointed ani replies. Simplicity is not an easy goal to accomplish. The more you learn or "age" or "experienced", the humbler one should remain - If one can strive to achieve that stage, no separate sadhanas for spiritual quests are required.As once a wise man said -Reach for the stars but keep your feet on the ground. Asalu naaku buddhi ledu- pedda potu gaadi laaga seperate thread vesi maree quit chesi, malli vachi maree dobbichukuntunna. ...Yeh jo mein bekararr hoon...Har lamha Ishq to nahi...Yeh jo mujhe bekhudi se hai...Tu jaise mujhe mein hai kahin... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vn2OiT1Z2Y&feature=related | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7270 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 166.205.14.207 Rating: |
Ishan, You are very much mistaken- I did not take anything personally at all -but I doubt if you will get that... None of my posts were meant in a negative or even critical manner but again I you seemed to have perceived the exact opposite ... yes I was disappointed with your post 3819 - but that may be because my expectations were off I apologise if I inadvertantly offended/hurt you...did not mean to ... anduke written communication is the worst antaru - you say one thing someone else understands another. Anyway sorry again ..,, aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 3820 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.45.218 Rating: |
Disappointed? why so ? Perhaps you could have just explained your stance clearly or tried to sort out the semantics instead of taking things too personally and advising me to save your post and come back after few years! That sounded like a very rigid opinion. Still I apologized...some thing for you to ponder on. I can confess that I am still attached to my ego...and I am happy to confess it. Sorry again to disappoint you. I didn't mean to offend you, but a lesson for me to stop myself confronting you in this topic where we have two poles apart opinions. I rest my case here ...miljaaye istharah...dho lehere jistharah...phir ho naaa judaaa...haan yeh waadaa rahaan...haan yeh waadaaaa rahaan...5:45 - 5:55 - tearfully romantic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ9_wNYFmzA&playnext_from=TL&videos=f6LA-HDW6_0 | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7269 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: |
Ishan, Very dissappointed ...But then I should have stopped when I recognized thecommunication disconnect. Goodluck in your quest. aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 3819 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.45.218 Rating: |
I am pretty happy that my experiences did not land me in a position where I am always motivated to defend an illusory perfection that I never attained in first place. Lack of guru is the primary reason for all this misguidance. Self-realization is not child's play. I don't come to conclusions by conjectures or delusional presumptions or readings from websites or the age factor or the so called experiences that could be taken as excuses for nonexistent perfection . Nihilism is conceptually ridiculous, then again its a totally different topic. ...miljaaye istharah...dho lehere jistharah...phir ho naaa judaaa...haan yeh waadaa rahaan...haan yeh waadaaaa rahaan...5:45 - 5:55 - tearfully romantic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ9_wNYFmzA&playnext_from=TL&videos=f6LA-HDW6_0 | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7268 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: |
Ishan, Yes I am learning And I am curious how you decided nihilists roam the darkness perennially -and what is this darkness they roam adi kuda experience aa or conjecture?aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Side Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 9491 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.30.2.223 Rating: N/A |
aa time lo mana N vamsham vallu oka vela undi unte vallu e side teeskunte aa side win ayyedi kada?  Ee roju puttina roju jarupukuntunna vallaki janma dina subhakankshalu Pelli roju variki pelliroju subha kankshalu .. | ||
| Onlytruth Legend Username: Onlytruth Post Number: 61914 Registered: 01-2007 Posted From: 96.248.53.169 Rating: N/A |
title ki taggattu mahabharatam laaga vaaram nunchi idhe topic irraga kummisyoo........  | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 3818 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.45.218 Rating: |
Good to see that you accept that you are also learning. Perhaps you can gather the same from the your own post when you said infinitessimal ego can also lead to liberation! I think skepticism is the gist of escapism, the route taken by nihilists who roam in the darkness perennially! That to me is the heart beat of Maya. ...miljaaye istharah...dho lehere jistharah...phir ho naaa judaaa...haan yeh waadaa rahaan...haan yeh waadaaaa rahaan...5:45 - 5:55 - tearfully romantic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ9_wNYFmzA&playnext_from=TL&videos=f6LA-HDW6_0 | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7266 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: |
I gathered as much from the thread where you told me to stop stalking  Skepticism is essential to avoid the trap of that Maya aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 3817 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.45.218 Rating: |
he he may be. But some experiences can mislead you eternally...be wary of that! Maya is much powerful than one thinks! My experience taught me that! ...miljaaye istharah...dho lehere jistharah...phir ho naaa judaaa...haan yeh waadaa rahaan...haan yeh waadaaaa rahaan...5:45 - 5:55 - tearfully romantic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ9_wNYFmzA&playnext_from=TL&videos=f6LA-HDW6_0 | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2263 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.52 Rating: N/A |
i am fine bro...will return back to US soon....nenu kooda chala time spend chestunna DB lo .....tagginchukovali.....ee site choosanu brother nenu | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7263 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: |
Nope Wrong again I did not take offence - know you better than that A light bulb went off on the disparity of perspectives...kuch cheeze padh ke samjhi jati hai , kuch anubhav se
Maybe true or maybe the attribution of past birth karma's is a psychological sop so that people can reconcile to the misfortunes of the current birth
I personally know people who have reached higher states without any significant sadhana on these lines aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Telugu_times Moderator Username: Telugu_times Post Number: 17072 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
Welcome back Ishan goru DB addiction , cigaret, alchohol, gambling kantay big anukuntunna,  | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 3816 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.45.218 Rating: N/A |
   ...miljaaye istharah...dho lehere jistharah...phir ho naaa judaaa...haan yeh waadaa rahaan...haan yeh waadaaaa rahaan...5:45 - 5:55 - tearfully romantic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ9_wNYFmzA&playnext_from=TL&videos=f6LA-HDW6_0 | ||
| Jalsa Moderator Username: Jalsa Post Number: 12665 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
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| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 3815 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.45.218 Rating: N/A |
Seems you got bit offended by my post. Apologies. Seems its been the point of contest between us since the beginning. Paths might be different, but the goal is same. So I am not too worried about it. Its all fun ....miljaaye istharah...dho lehere jistharah...phir ho naaa judaaa...haan yeh waadaa rahaan...haan yeh waadaaaa rahaan...5:45 - 5:55 - tearfully romantic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ9_wNYFmzA&playnext_from=TL&videos=f6LA-HDW6_0 | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1608 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 69.62.141.46 Rating: N/A |
ayyo please do not think otherwise, my only point is both your intepretatinons might not match anedi thats all. this is nature of existence there is no conscious action.
see that is the difference, a child is born with a baggage of karma from previous life - the essence of rebirth according to Hinduism. so the journey of this life begins with baggage from previous life and the endeavor should be to become free of that association. I think in Hinduism that is why they say once you cross 8-9 or a certain age your karmic balance keeps increasing because until then you are considered a child and your actions are not conscious and hence the karma is not attributed to the child.
The whole life should be a quest for attaining the state of dis-attachment, as the vyadha geeta says do you duty sincerely and truthfully and leave the result to god. This is by no means to say you should not pursue god as a conscious effort you should because that would automatically put you on the path of dis-attachment because then everything that is done by you is done keeping God in mind in a detached way. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 6157 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 146.115.51.3 Rating: N/A |
thanks endhuku annai..you started this thread and put up lot of info and we all just got into the flow. I enjoyed your posts immensely. Me and My Ego aren't best freinds! | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7261 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: |
What drives a droplet of cream to float up to the top in milk ? Conscious action on its part or is it just the nature of its existence ? Soul has a natural inclination to rise I think We are all naturally drawn to joy. A child is born happy and with a relatively free soul- society teaches a child how to bind the soul down, how to be unhappy by comparing to others etc.. Once we mess the soul up it needs all this spiritual practice to unchain the soul from the millstones society has put on its neck Pplsuck said this a few years ago and it stuck in my mind - "true learning happens after you unlearn everything you have been taught" If you make the quest for God a conscious drive, there is no difference between this desire or any material desire - the emotions involved are the same... effort, anticipation, measurement and disappointment/pride of acheivement On the other hand, when you do things because they are the right thing to do.. the rise of the soul happens effortlessly and even unconsciously- there is none of the burdening emotions above associated with it because you do not see yourself as the driver File this thought away in the back of your mind even if you disagree with it aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7258 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: |
Meeru apardham chesukunnaru I am not at a stage in life, where I need people to agree with me or approve of my opinions Let me try explaining why I said what I did... There are words and there is meaning. Words are static, meaning is dynamic and relative to the person interpreting the words.It depends on the way a person perceives words... Ishan's interpretation of my words was so far off from what I meant- it clarified to me the significant difference in perspective between us - in that situation, it did not make sense to beat something to semantic argumentative death at this point We will only argue if something is blue or red endlessly because we see things differently We change our paradigms as we grow and the same words mean different things to us at different stages - anduke revisit it in a few years annanu Ishan, Like MS said your definitions of Ego and Self are differnt from mine hence the disconnect ...I meant my previous post seriously - do it as a thought experiment aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1607 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 69.62.141.46 Rating: N/A |
This thread has been very good and lot of thoughts out there, it is very nice to read lot of people interested in topics like these and putting out their views. Thank you for making this an interesting read In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 6156 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
yeah brother. ee madhya konchem reading chesthunna veeti meedha. Samkhya , as I undesrstood it , rejects the concept the creationism and creationist god. So aa context lo atheism centered school of thought anna. Indhake wiki lo saduthe andulo kuda idhe undhi.. and inko interesting point undhi andulo - Samkhya was merged with Yoga school of thought in Mahabharatham and bhagavatham school of thought ani.. Me and My Ego aren't best freinds! | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 3814 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.96.11 Rating: N/A |
Kamal U potato, if you dont think it is right, you put it more clearly why others?  . How are you doing? long time no seeGreat brother. I can clearly see you are reading significantly . While you are reading samkhya, you will realize how all the vedanthic schools of thought draw their concepts from it. Entire hindu religion is based on Samkhya principles. But I dont think its an atheistic school....miljaaye istharah...dho lehere jistharah...phir ho naaa judaaa...haan yeh waadaa rahaan...haan yeh waadaaaa rahaan...5:45 - 5:55 - tearfully romantic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ9_wNYFmzA&playnext_from=TL&videos=f6LA-HDW6_0 | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1606 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 69.62.141.46 Rating: N/A |
you are right here but Buddhist concept of soul or reincarnation is different from in the sense that it does not believe atman or soul is eternal which is why they believe in Rebirth but not reincarnation. Where as in Hinduism atman is immortal where as the body has birth and death. you are spot on this, The cycle of death and rebirth, governed by karma, is referred to as samsara One is reborn through desire, karma, body can never bring deep, lasting happiness or peace. After many births every person becomes dissatisfied and begins to seek higher forms of happiness through spiritual experience. When, after sadhana, a person realizes that the true "self" is the immortal soul rather than the body or the ego then all the desires for the pleasures of the world will vanish. Because at this point they will seem very small compared to spiritual joy. When all desire has vanished the person will not be born again your attachment to body is gone and you are not born again. So in this way when the cycle of rebirth thus comes to an end, a person is said to have attained liberation moksha. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 3344 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
exactly, Mokhsa ane kadhu, the being needs desire to turn himself to certain destination, that was my whole point to, without the initial desire to turn himself to the supreme soul, a person cannot achieve it. Almost every philosophical school advocate leaving material desires behind as a first step towards attaining moksha. in cases of athiestic school of thought, there is no supreme soul to merge themselves with moksha, they have to go through the cycle of karma forever. Moksha is called Nirvana in budhism, and it is a state of mind where it is completely free of aspirations towards material world. Budhudu Moksham pondhatam ante, advaitam, dvaitam, or other schools of thought lo supreme soul to ekamavvatam kaadhu anukunta. Unlike the theistic philosophies where there are 4 main purusharthas - Dharma, Artha, Kama, Moksha - budhist philosophy advocates attaining moksha by moving away from the worldly pleasures. Moksha is more like a state of mind in budhism. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 3812 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.96.11 Rating: |
Looks like there are problems associated with semantics here. Let me make myself clear here. Ego is individuality. It is any state that differentiates one from the other. When you, the soul, are seeing multiple things instead of one, you are still attached to ego. The bigger your ego gets, the stronger is your attachment. But when you encompass other things as part of you, automatically you are going beyond your ego which means you essentially negated it. Moksha/mukthi/liberation in its true sense is stoppage of the cycles of birth and death (called as samsara). Its an effect. The pre-requisite for moksha is the attainment of a state of supreme consciousness. At this stage you will get a glimpse of Sat Chit Ananda, the ultimate existence, consciousness and bliss. It is also called self-realization or enlightenment or samadhi (in yoga). At this stage you see only the real 'you' i.e. the soul or what an advaitin calls 'brahmin'. Thats why it is also called 'Kaivalya' or Kevala because kevalam okkate exists. Generally, once one reaches that stage, he can not stay on it forever, he comes back to normal stage. If that person doesn't accrue any karmas at this stage, he is Jeevanmuktha i.e. liberated while being physically alive. He lives and works in the world, but is totally unattached. Another form of Jeevanmukthi is where the person attains nirvikalpa samadhi (meaning he never returns from the state of samadhi even though he is still alive physically). But to attain the real 100% mukthi one has to die physically where you are the eternal sat chit ananda. Nirvana is a bit different concept of budhism, where it is a state of lack of suffering. Here you have destroyed the fundamental causes of suffering. You no more accumulate fresh karmas. You dont carry over anything to next life and thats why they use the word rebirth rather than reincarnation. It is equivalent to self-realization mentioned above. Pani nirvana is equivalent to mukthi because it involves death of physical entity. Salvation is basically a christian term. It is equivalent to Moksham. Please correct me if I am wrong. ...miljaaye istharah...dho lehere jistharah...phir ho naaa judaaa...haan yeh waadaa rahaan...haan yeh waadaaaa rahaan...5:45 - 5:55 - tearfully romantic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ9_wNYFmzA&playnext_from=TL&videos=f6LA-HDW6_0 | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 6155 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
Buddhudi spiritual awakening story naku antha convincing anipinchadu endhuko..Pain and Suffering anedhi anubhavinchakundane vatini free kavalanukotam anedi ento antha ekkaledhu naku.. may be budhudu previous janma karma valla ochesindemo aa spiritual awakening. Me and My Ego aren't best freinds! | ||
| Senapathy Junior Artist Username: Senapathy Post Number: 640 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 137.131.212.40 Rating: N/A |
Moksha interpretation are different in theistic and monoistic approaches. I somehow like the non-dualistic interpretation where you lose the attribute on self. Adding on OH bedar's thoughts: Buddha attained moksha not after heavy penance. He wanted a way out of the world and a solution to misery. | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 6154 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
feeling less state ante naa meaning imperceptible state annattu.. cause and effect will cease to exist ani naa yokka artham. Me and My Ego aren't best freinds! | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1605 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 69.62.141.46 Rating: N/A |
good one ! In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Senapathy Junior Artist Username: Senapathy Post Number: 639 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 137.131.212.40 Rating: N/A |
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| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 6153 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
kamal bedar.. how are you? I think, different schools of hindu philosophy had subtle variations in defining moksha but the central point remains the same i.e Moksha is the liberation from all bhava bhavika bandhas and suffering that comes with repeated death and births. kakpothe theistic schools of thought devudu and etranl bliss anedi include chesayi, atheist centered thought like Samkhya school of thought devudu/of eternal biss of serving him antu em cheppaledu - idhi naku telsinadi. Me and My Ego aren't best freinds! | ||
| Jalsa Moderator Username: Jalsa Post Number: 12645 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
kamalai, welcome back. etayipoyaav inni rojulu | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1604 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 69.62.141.46 Rating: N/A |
Apparently in many philosophical discussions and arguments and for that matter theological discussions as well the path to nirvana or moksha is associated with the disassociation or leaving behind all desires. There are different paths to moksha but the underlying condition is to fulfill all the duties for which you were born in this world and then detach yourself. krishna says While you are performing your duties apply the principles of 'karmanye ...' so that your kriya is always good and leave the rest to me. As I mentioned in my post earlier, it is possible sometimes to lead a life so pure that you end up attaining moksha in the current birth because your kriya-karma balance is zero that is the ideal position where you attain moksha if not you take a rebirth and get another chance to get things right(cyclic karma). The question is being a gruhasta is it possible to achieve moksha?. If you see there is a instance in Mahabharatam where Rishi Markandeya tells Dharmaraja the importance of karma yoga it is called Vyadha Gita. The story goes something like this A young Brahmin called Koushika went to a forest; there he meditated, worshipped, and practised Yoga for a long time. After years of hard work and practice, he was one day sitting under a tree, when some dry leaves fell upon his head. He looked up and saw a crow and a crane fighting on the top of the tree, which made him very angry. He said, âWhat! Dare you throw these dry leaves upon my head!â As with these words he angrily glanced at them, a flash of fire went out of his headâsuch was the Yogiâs powerâand burnt the birds to ashes. He was very glad, almost overjoyed at this development of powerâhe could burn the crow and the crane by a look. After a time he had to go to the town to beg his bread. He went, stood at a door, and said, âMother, give me food.â A voice came from inside the house, âWait a little, my son.â The young man thought, âYou wretched woman, how dare you make me wait! You do not know my power yet.â While he was thinking thus the voice came again: âBoy, donât be thinking too much of yourself. Here is neither crow nor crane.â He was astonished; still he had to wait. At last the woman came, and he fell at herfeet and said, âMother, how did you know that?â She said, âMy boy, I do not know your Yoga or your practices. I am a common everyday woman. I made you wait because my husband is ill, and I was nursing him. All my life I have struggled to do my duty. When I was unmarried, I did my duty to my parents; now that I am married, I do my duty to my husband; that is all the Yoga I practise. But by doing my duty I have become illumined; thus I could read your thoughts and know what you had done in the forest. If you want to know something higher than this, go to the market of Mithila where you will find a Vyadha (butcher) who will tell you something that you will be very glad to learn.â Kaushika thought, âWhy should I go to that town and to a yadha?â But after what he had seen, his mind opened a little, so he went. When he came near the town, he found the market and there saw, at a distance, a big fat Vyadha cutting meat with big knives, talking and bargaining with different people. The young man said, âLord help me! Is this the man from whom I am going to learn? He is the incarnation of a demon, if he is anything.â In the meantime this man looked up and said, âO Swami, did that lady send you here? Take a seat until I have done my business.â Kaushika thought, âWhat comes to me here?â He took his seat; the man went on with his work, and after he had finished he took his money and said to the Sannyasin, âCome sir, come to my home.â On reaching home the Vyadha gave him a seat, saying, âWait here,â and went into the house. He then washed his old father and mother, fed them, and did all he could to please them, after which he came to Kaushika and said, âNow, sir, you have come here to see me; what can I do for you?â Kaushika asked him a few questions about soul and about God, and the Vyadha gave him a lecture which forms a part of the Mahabharata, called the yadha-Gita. It contains one of the highest flights of the Vedanta. When the Vyadha finished his teaching, Kaushika felt astonished. He said, âWhy are you in that body? With such knowledge as yours why are you in a Vyadhaâs body, and doing such filthy, ugly work?â âMy son,â replied the Vyadha, âno duty is ugly, no duty is impure. My birth placed me in these circumstances and environments. In my boyhood I learnt the trade; I am unattached, and I try to do my duty well. I try to do my duty as a householder, and I try to do all I can to make my father and mother happy. I neither know your Yoga, nor have I become a Sanyasi, nor did I go out of the world into a forest; nevertheless, all that you have heard So again Swami Vivekananda says If I have to do something I must first know that it is my duty, and then I can do it. We see that idea of duty varies from different states of life, different historical period and different nations. Thus the term âdutyâ like any other abstract term is impossible to define clearly. Two ways are left open to us â the way of the ignorant, who think that there is only one way to truth and that all the rest are wrong, and the way of the wise, who admit that, according to our mental constitution or the different planes of existence in which we are, notion of duty may vary So in my opinion the only way to rise is by doing the duty and thus gathering strength go on until we reach the highest state-moksha. Here we follow what is said in Gita - Do your duty truthfully and leave the rest to me In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 13182 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 98.212.185.162 Rating: N/A |
Nope! Nenu chadivinantha varaku, Moksha is the state of eternal bliss, when you attain Moksha (Salvation/Nirvana) - you are always in the company of the Lord (happily serving Him by your consciousness) in the "Ananda Lokam".
Desire is like Cocaine, the more you use it, the more you are enslaved to it .. its a self-consuming loop. But then, like the same way cocaine has some positive effects when used in medicinal arena by doctors, Desire for Moksha (Salvation/Nirvana), liberates you from the material world, your attachment for the illusionary things around you is zero and and for a man/woman in the correct path towards Moksha, the judicious use of desire is the key .. as you progress along in your path towards it, your desire starts approaching zero! Anduke Ishan cheppindi 101% correct .. to attain Moksha, you "should" liberate your soul from materialism, selfishness, ego etc (all qualities 'centred' around you)
I do not think .. any one can put it more clearly ..
I am fine bro .. meeru ela unnaru? Hope your trip is gr8 .. DB lo ekkuva time spend cheyyalanipinchadam ledu anduke chaala kasta padi addiction ni stop chesa .. for some time .. it will be the same .. aina appudappudu ROM lo choostunna .. some of your posts were too good to say the least .. Btw .. meeru ee site choodandi .. http://www.indiadivine.org/ .. simply awesome .. mana DB lo vandala sarlu discuss chesina many many topics untayi .. ippudu unna first article lo ne .. they discuss what is Moksha/Salvation and how the enlightened attained it ! (ofcourse from a Yoga/Yogic stand point) Bharat Mata ki Jai | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2262 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.87 Rating: N/A |
naa opinion aithe moksha is about having right,real and original feelings.... | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 6152 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
@vja bedar enlightened souls ki desire undakudadu anatledu.. Moksha anedi oka feeling less state ani nenu anukuntunna. Desire etuvantidayina (material or non material) sare , danitho patu entho kotnha baggage osthundi ani anukuntunnanu. Me and My Ego aren't best freinds! | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 6151 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
@MS bedar I agree. without a desire one will not embark on the journey to moksha but that desire should act as fuel to get started only but not as fuel to continue one's journey..right? Otherwise the journey to be free will have no meaning. imagine, if Krsna favored arjuna and pandavas with a desire to see them win the war then the whole essence of mahabharatha is nullified.. right? Me and My Ego aren't best freinds! | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2261 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.87 Rating: N/A |
kamal bro ..How r u... enti DB tgginchesav...nuvvu lekha discussions anni chappaga vunnayi... | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 3343 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
vjavasi, i agree , like i already said, life of Krsna is very interesting. chala confusing kooda. It has been few years since i actually studied all these, and there was a never a point where i could say i understand everything. it is just a process where we keep learning. without having a proper guru, it is impossible to understand the various nuances in Gita, and Mahabharatha antaru. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1603 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 69.62.141.46 Rating: N/A |
Welcome back tammi. I am glad you and Ishan put your thoughts in here. Nenu meeru anukunnanta pedda vadini kadu I am just sharing what I have read and experienced and my beliefs. vjvasi tammi, I agree that Bali is a great devotee of Sri Vishnu but at the same time he was intent on dislodging Indra from his position by first fighting in a war with him and when he was defeated he chose the route of performing more yagnas than Indra which would automatically make him Indra. This aspect couple with his pride over ruled the devotion towards Sri Vishnu and he had to be put down. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 3342 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
getafix bro, According to bhakti-rasamrta, adau sraddha tatah sadhu-sango 'tha bhajana-kriya tato 'nartha-nivrttih syat tato nistha rucis tatah athasaktis tato bhavas tatah premabhyudancati sadhakanam ayam premnah pradurbhave bhavet kramah adau sraddha tatah sadhu-sango - in the initial stages of path, you will need a desire to make a conscious effort, the desire to achieve moksha/self realization, with this desire you will be able to approach spiritual leaders and try to lead a spiritual life. once you make this conscious effort out of desire to eliminate your material desires, a stage called bhava is reached, unconditional love towards paramatma. without this desire of merging your soul into paramatma, you will not be able to make a conscious effort. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2260 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.87 Rating: N/A |
enlightened soul ki desire vundakudadu ani emi ledhu kadha bro...material desires vundavu anukuntunna | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2259 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.87 Rating: N/A |
correcte brother, kaani Divyam ane word use chesadu kadha aa shlokham lo...andukane his birth and activities are not bound by material karma antunna...aina krishna shlokham lo cheppinattu ayana birth activities manaku ardham aithe ee DB lo inka enduku discuss chestuntamu....moksham vachestundhi ani cheptunnadu ga | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 6150 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
MS bedar Desire postive ayina or negative ayina binding ye kada. As for your question-I dont know.. Me and My Ego aren't best freinds! | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 3340 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
Getafix bro, desire anedhi negative aspect lo choosthunaaru, what drives a soul to make a conscious effort to reach the supreme? what should we call it? the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 6149 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
isnt desire a string that binds soul to illusory self. If moksha is a desire then how can lt be liberating? The way I understand it , Moksha is a state where one is absoluetly free and if there is desire then it negates the freedom..right? Ishan bedar...very glad to see you back! Me and My Ego aren't best freinds! | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 3339 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
while I agree with the definition of moksha, I dont think Realization is enough for being to be able to attain Moksha, the path to moksha is to be able to leave the sensual/momentary desires and submit yourself to the supreme soul. Hypothetically speaking, does the lack of desire in sensual pleasures mean an individual is trying to attain moksha, i think it is only part of the path, apart from being able to liberating yourself from the worldly pleasures, you also need to realize that you are part of the supreme soul. Going Further, is this the only way of attaining salvation or moksha. Krsna says janma karma ca me divyam evam yo vetti tattvatah tyaktva deham punar janma naiti mam eti so 'rjuna One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna. It appears to me Bhakti towards ishta daiva, is also a way to salvation. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 3338 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
vjavasi bro, sorry could not respond back to you yesterday. Here is the translation of the above sloka, it does not intend to explain the birth of Krsna, but rather it is about the way to attain moksha, by understand his true nature. janma--birth; karma--work; ca--also; me--of Mine; divyam--transcendental; evam--like this; yah--anyone who; vetti--knows; tattvatah--in reality; tyaktva--leaving aside; deham--this body; punah--again; janma--birth; na--never; eti--does attain; mam--unto Me; eti--does attain; sah--he; arjuna--O Arjuna. TRANSLATION One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna. Inka meeru specific instances where it appears that Krsna is bound to his Karma ani adigaaru, It will take some time to gather that. All this confusion arises, since Krsna is a purushavatara, knows that he is a human, but also vishnu himself. OkaHyderbadi bro, thanks for sharing the information with us, you have answered most of the questions to the tee here. @Ishan, @Anand I think there is this fundamental difference in your arguments, i think you both need to revisit what you guys think "Ego", "Self" are about. It appears to me that this difference is leading to to different view points. Vemana garu antaru, kami kani vadu moksha kami kaaledu ani, it appears to me as though desire is a required attribute for moksha, but directing desire towards the self realization/liberation (moksha) . the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Stig Side Hero Username: Stig Post Number: 2051 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 67.80.101.77 Rating: N/A |
Yup, Bhayya all iz well , thanks for asking. Enjoy ur break, see ya soon !!------- Only seven people have looked The Stig straight in the eyes. They are all dead now !! | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 13181 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 98.212.185.162 Rating: N/A |
Bro .. taking a break from DB .. will be away for few more months .. howz life treatin ya? hope all is well ! Bharat Mata ki Jai | ||
| Stig Side Hero Username: Stig Post Number: 2050 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 67.80.101.77 Rating: N/A |
Yo kamal, long time no see ?? ------- Only seven people have looked The Stig straight in the eyes. They are all dead now !! | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 13180 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 98.212.185.162 Rating: |
Mee medhassu ki naa vandanaalu agrajaa !
Awesome ..
Jatasya Hi Dhruvo Mrityur Druvam Janma Mritasya Cha Tasmaad Aparihaaryearthe Na twam Shochitum Arhasi Mee orpu ki, gnananiki, mukhyam ga vinayam ki - naa paadabhi vandanaalu .. edo oka roju, meelo 1% gnanam sampadinchina janma dhanyam ga bhavista .. I mean it whole heartedly .. "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2258 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 121.246.157.118 Rating: N/A |
Take a bow brother  | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2257 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 121.246.157.118 Rating: N/A |
brother nenu vinnantha varaaku Bali egoist ga analedhu...he was a devotee of vishnu....inka shukra charyudu Bali ni discourage cheyyali ani choostadu...bhakti lo atma nivedanam ki bali perfect example ani cheptaaru | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1602 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 74.213.171.192 Rating: |
Anand_n chelle it is not necessary that your interpretation and Ishan will match
The perfect example of this is Bali as I mentioned before, his ego and pride grew to such an extent that he started believing he was god himself. He even disregarded his guru's words when he was told it was none other than Vishnu who came as vamana, he replied see even Vishnu is asking for alms from me so I am great. He realizes the illusion when vamana asks for space to place his third step and humbly surrenders to the Lord. The topic of soul and body or atman and body is very very interesting and Swami Vivekananda wrote very nicely about it and I quote him here "The Ãtman is the only existence in the human body which is immaterial. Because it is immaterial, it cannot be a compound, and because it is not a compound, it does not obey the law of cause and effect, and so it is immortal. That which is immortal can have no beginning because everything with a beginning must have an end. It also follows that it must be formless; there cannot be any fond without matter. Everything that has form must have a beginning and an end." So all forms have a beginning and an end. We know our body will perish; it had a beginning and it will have an end. But the Self having no form, cannot be bound by the law of beginning and end. It is existing from infinite time; just as time is eternal, so is the Self of man eternal. Secondly, it must be all-pervading. It is only form that is conditioned and limited by space; that which is formless cannot be confined in space. So, according to Advaita Vedanta, the Self, the Atman, in you, in me, in every one, is omnipresent. You are as much in the sun now as in this earth, as much in England as in America. But the Self acts through the mind and the body, and where they are, its action is visible. We are in this world by our own actions. Just as we go out with the sum total of our present actions upon us, so we see that we come into it with the sum total of our past actions upon us; that which takes us out is the very same thing that brings us in. What brings us in? Our past deeds. What takes us out? Our own deeds here, and so on and on we go. Like the caterpillar that takes the thread from its own mouth and builds its cocoon and at last finds itself caught inside the cocoon, we have bound ourselves by our own actions, we have thrown the network of our actions around ourselves. We have set the law of causation in motion, and we find it hard to get ourselves out of it. We have set the wheel in motion, and we are being crushed under it. So this philosophy teaches us that we are uniformly being bound by our own actions, good or bad. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7257 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Ishan, Save my previous post and revisit it in a few years from now you may interpret it differentlyaa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 3811 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.45.218 Rating: |
"And you do not see selfishness in desiring moksha for your soul versus someone else's ?" No I don't. It doesn't make any difference if it is your soul or others' soul if you are talking from dualistic point of view. A soul is a soul. You are different from your body and so is the 'other' soul. There is no difference between them because both of them are with out qualities. If you are an advaitin this question becomes totally irrelevant because there is only one soul. "As long as desire is there you are attached to "your" soul and will not be liberated" Nope. THis whole sentence is incorrect. When 'you' are the soul, the question of 'you' attaching to your soul never arises. The strife for moksha is to realize that oneness between you and your soul. Remember the two birds on a tree story? "When the ego is 0 or infinite, there is no sense of you left" Incorrect again. When your ego is infinite, you are infinitesimally limited. That means it is infinitesimally impossible for you to cross the boundaries of ego and one can never realize his true self. True self-realization is self-abnegation, there is no other way out. A person with infinite ego might think he is god, but in fact he clearly differentiates him with others and that is not realization, but an insurmountable illusion. "Realising there is nothing left to desire is moksha." Nope. Realizing that desire is an impermanent illusory motivation of limited senses for their momentary gratification is moksha.
Hi brothers, how you all doing? @Okahyderabadi Annai - I have read the whole thread, and I must say that your posts have been simply excellent ...couldn't resist to post....miljaaye istharah...dho lehere jistharah...phir ho naaa judaaa...haan yeh waadaa rahaan...haan yeh waadaaaa rahaan...5:45 - 5:55 - tearfully romantic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ9_wNYFmzA&playnext_from=TL&videos=f6LA-HDW6_0 | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7254 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: |
Good to see you back And you do not see selfishness in desiring moksha for your soul versus someone else's ? I disagree and my take - sense of self lekapote , there is no sense of desire for moksha for your soul As long as desire is there you are attached to "your" soul and will not be liberated When the ego is 0 or infinite, there is no sense of you left - there is no desire for God left cos God is you or you are part of him/her... Realising there is nothing left to desire is moksha Have to go - will have to discuss this sometime else ... aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Jalsa Moderator Username: Jalsa Post Number: 12578 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
yo snnai howdy | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1601 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 71.170.131.231 Rating: N/A |
idey unconditional In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Senapathy Junior Artist Username: Senapathy Post Number: 638 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 137.131.212.40 Rating: N/A |
ROM mode lo thaads soostunnava  Nice interpretation bedar. Atleast Manchi thaads lo postuthu undu.. | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1600 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 74.213.171.192 Rating: N/A |
welcome back tammi, nice post In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Stig Side Hero Username: Stig Post Number: 2025 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 67.80.108.9 Rating: N/A |
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| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 3810 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.45.218 Rating: |
This presumption is incorrect- Don't take it too literally. When they say desire, it is strictly associated with selfishness i.e. any motivation associated with body, mind and ego. But when you desire for moksha, essentially you are desiring to go beyond all those three and sacrificing what your mind thinks you are! What you call desire for god, is no different from your love for your child. mOksha is an intense desire for liberating real you from the illusory you. The key here is to differentiate between selfishness and unselfishness. ...miljaaye istharah...dho lehere jistharah...phir ho naaa judaaa...haan yeh waadaa rahaan...haan yeh waadaaaa rahaan...5:45 - 5:55 - tearfully romantic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ9_wNYFmzA&playnext_from=TL&videos=f6LA-HDW6_0 | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1599 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 74.213.171.192 Rating: N/A |
i was writing about this point because I missed out on this and the relationship issue -In the parent child relationship - when we do things for our babies out of love /not expectation of return --> this is unconditional love -When someoone's in love - doing something for the beloved is joyful --> not so unconditional because you expect them to love you -In the pure form of bhakti where you love God , not barter with him --> this is unconditional love so unconditional love towards the supreme being is the key to attaining moksha it may happen in one life or more than one life. It might never be possible to enjoy the fruits(karma) of your kriya in one life which is why we talk about cyclic karma and when you reach a point where the kriya-karma balance is zero you attain moksha. so a human being should always make sure the kriya performed is good and ultimately the balance sheet tallies and rebirth does not happen that is Moksha is attained. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Stig Side Hero Username: Stig Post Number: 2021 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 67.80.108.9 Rating: |
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| Senapathy Junior Artist Username: Senapathy Post Number: 637 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 137.131.212.40 Rating: |
Akkai, neeku singles vese vaariki naa laal salaam Regarding the oxymoron issue.. I think you start with the desire to be one with God and you lose all attributes including desire when you ARE. | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1598 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 74.213.171.192 Rating: N/A |
As I said in my post it is fine to theorize and believe in
you are spot on, doing the right thing and not waiting for the result is the mantra, futile is used to stress on thinking about the result. i missed out mentioning that.
this is true to point that if you do good kriya then you suppose there results(karma) will be good for you , even if the results of your kriya resulted in some harm to you because this is your karmabhoomi you have to bear the consequences of it here --> What Krishna says is do your karma and leave the result to me and I will do the rest and will take care of the result(again based on the cyclic karma). The only way to get out of this loop is to attain moksha and I am the path to moksha. So either your continue in the cyclic path of karma or you try to achieve moksha by steadfastly believing in me and follow me. that is what he says in this janma karma cha me divyam evam yo vetti tattvatah tyaktva deham punar janma naiti mam eti so Arjuna tam eva viditvati mrityum eti nanyah pantha vidyate ayanaya so you should not see the sloka i mentioned : Karmanye vadhikarasthe, Ma Phaleshu Kadachana, Ma Karma Phala Hetur Bhurmatey Sangostva Akarman. in isolation. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7253 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: |
I interpret that sloka differently - to me all it says is do the right thing without expectations of results or claiming a right to results. To me Karma siddhantam does not say anything is futile, it says Karma is all you have control on so make that your cause and effect It is difficult to acheive that state for a common human being. Can think of thre conditions where this is a norm : -In the parent child relationship - when we do things for our babies out of love /not expectation of return -When someoone's in love - doing something for the beloved is joyful -In the pure form of bhakti where you love God , not barter with him It is because in these cases the cause and effect merge - the satisfaction of doing something for someone you love (child, sibling, God) is the reward in itself To me that sloka is an ultimate psychology lesson - to live life in the moment - do the right thing today and let it go And here's the oxymoron - Moksham aasinchi chese karma(pujalu, tapssulu) ki kuda cause and effect attribute avutundi ... Desire annihilate avutene moksham - so is the desire for God not a desire or do we have to annihilate that desire to reach moksham ?aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1595 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 74.213.171.192 Rating: N/A |
thank you In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1594 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 71.170.131.231 Rating: N/A |
bro, going back to your point of Geetha, who transcribed it if not Vyaasa? the idea is that Krishna said it out 'during' the battle and if vyaasa was our real time blogger, did he also not write the Geetha? If you think of Vyasa as the blogger then he wrote both Mahabharatam based on what he is seeing and Gita on what he hears when the Sri Krishna is talking to Arjuna.There are only two people who hear what Krishna is telling Arjuna , Arjuna himself and Sanjaya because veda vyasa had given him the power of listening and watching what is going on live on the battle field. Arjuna is caught up in the circle of maya. wherever he sees he finds his uncles, brothers, guru, friends in front of him and he thinks just for the sake of a throne should I fight and kill all of these people. It is natural for anybody to think like that because however skilled arjuna was he still had emotions and they held him back. Sri Krishna's duty here is to conduct the Mahabharatam war so that the purpose for which he took the avataram is fulfilled. The result is the beautiful discourse Gita on himself and nature of god the supreme being. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1593 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 71.170.131.231 Rating: |
annai, naako chinna doubt. 1. Tapassu ante emiti? Andulo ghora tapassu ante emiti? Wt exactly do they do? Just chanting OM while meditating or anything else? 2. Mana puraanaalu annintlo asurulu ghora tapassu lu chesi chaala pedda pedda varaalu sampadistharu kadaa... tarvata indra/muni's etc ni attack chesthaaru... 1-2 ayithe OK kaani, repeated gaa ee rakshasas ki varaalu ivvadam enduku tarvata vishu avataram ethi malli champadam enduku? Okati rendu bad exp's ayina tarvata kuda enduku alaanti varaalu ivvadam? Vishnu or someone oka rule pass chesi vundochu kadaa for all GODs... You need my approval for granting such super powers ani.} Tammi sorry i did not see this and i was just going through the archive and thought to respond to this. To your first question, the details are not known to me. I assume it would be some form of mediation that goes in to higher plains. Probably they knew about ways to stay out of hunger and sleep similar to the way Vishwamitra gave upadesham about Bala and Atibala mantras to Sri Rama and Lakshmana that will keep them awake and without hunger. Second question is , devotion to god or supreme power makes them bound to honor the tapas by anybody. It is said that with ghora tapassu done by some so much heat or instability is generated in the environment that the gods are compelled to come down (according to the instances). Coming to the point of what you said about giving boons to the Rakshasas and then Vishnu or shiva taking avataras to stabilize the world due to the problems caused by them. rakshasas are also subjects of the supreme power, after all they are progeny of diti. which is why they are called daityulu. Their thoughts are naturally dark and that is why whenever we see such qualities we associate them with rakshasulu. despite all these qualities one unflinching quality is their devotion to supreme lord ( in most cases shiva and in some cases vishnu). They all see towards brahma as a creator and worship him too. If you see they pray to the gods with the same devotion like others if not more and once they achieve their objective they are back to their old ways. Take the case of Ravana so learned direct descendant of brahma but still his hatred for vishnu is the cause for his downfall even though he has such enormous power and boons from shiva because of his evil nature seeta ammavari meeda kannu padindi nashanam ayadu. on the contrary take the case of Bali, he is an extremely learned man , pious and a devotee of vishnu and with his yagnams and danans he was rivalling Indra. The problem is he started feeling proud of his achievements and felt he was supreme and could do anything. Rivalling indra was the last step where the yuga dharma was being changed because an indra is appointed for a Manvantara, so there cannot be another Indra. When Vamana asks danam Bali in his pride offers him anything and vamana asks 3 feet he laughs and says good take it. When he sees that Vamana's two feet covered the entire universe he realizes his mistake and offers his head as a third step. So Vishnu does not kill him because Bali is good and he also promised Prahalada that he will not kill any of his direct descendents so he pushes them to sutala where he rules unopposed and also offers him boons and tells him he will be the Indra in the next Manvantara In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1592 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 74.213.171.192 Rating: N/A |
In fact in the discussion between vyasa and dharmaraje , vyasa mentions that there is going to be huge war that will cleanse this earth of khsatriyas and the new society will start with the people who survive. Make sure you stay with Vasudeva who will guide you to vistory In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1591 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 74.213.171.192 Rating: N/A |
Thanks Humpty tammi for starting the second thread. Venkateshwara is not an avataram but an aberration. Due to the preceding events where durvasa maharshi kicks him on the vakshasthalam which is Laksmi peetham she leaves vaikuntam and comes to earth and he comes to earth in search of her. After Rajasuya yagnam, Vyasa has a discussion with Dharmaraja. Dharmaraja asks him now that I have completed Rajasuyam can we rest in peace everything has fallen in place kada ani. Vyasa says vatsa your actual troubles start now. The next 14 years for you are going to be full of troubles you will have problems with your own kith and kin and mostly your cousins so be very careful in how deal with them. Dharmaraja calls his brothers and tells them of Vyasa's words and tells them from now onwards I will not utter a single word that will cause you or my cousins to feel aggrieved. Let us face whatever is in store for us. This is one of the reasons why despite all the provocations by Suyodhana, shakuni, dusshashana dharmaraja is always polite with them and maintains calm. Dharmaraja knew that dice is not good but he being a kshatriya could not refuse the invitation. Once you are caught up in the game of dice you should be able to control yourself and Shakuni knew the weakness of Dharmaraja and used it to maximum effect. Despite all this everybody except Bheema keeps quiet, bheema makes his shapadhalu at the people who actually did it rather than at dharmaraja. So while trying not to disrespect his brother directly he vents out his anger. This goes on to show that no matter how educated, balanced you cannot escape destiny or the script that is written. In the game plan of Krishna Mahabharatam should take place for sure as the earth was full of khsatriyas who forgot the duties of their race and indulged in other pursuits and had to be purged. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Senapathy Junior Artist Username: Senapathy Post Number: 636 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 137.131.212.40 Rating: N/A |
Venkateswara swamy is Vishnu himself.. No avatar or roopam. He descends Vaikuntham in agony in search of goddess Lakshmi. He also explains his wedding to padmavati on karmic basis.. | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 6148 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
ee lekkana venkateswara swamy is an avatar of roopam not an avatar by birth so he is off limits of karmic cycle. Me and My Ego aren't best freinds! | ||
| Senapathy Junior Artist Username: Senapathy Post Number: 633 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 137.131.212.40 Rating: N/A |
Kshatriya dharmam lo challenge accept annari.. Ok Does the same dharma allow you to put brothers and wife as items? Kshatriya dharmam kante Raja dharmama important ani naa peeling. He should act as a king first and then kshatriya.. As a king he should welfare what he rules/owns first. | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2256 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 59.162.171.60 Rating: N/A |
avataras from matsya to narasimha are called leela avataras....rama and krishna are purusha avataras...in bhagavatam after describing all the avataras before krishna, vyasa starts kridhna avatara saying} "krishnasya bhagavan swayam"...in gita also he says janma karma ca me divyam evam yo vetti tattvatah tyaktva deham punar janma naiti mam eti so ârjuna which means his birth and ativities are divine...i think they are not same as karmic birth and actions | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 3337 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
this is my understanding, According to Karma Yoga, every being born is due to Karma, if Karma balance is zero that being is not going to take a birth. the fact that Krsna takes birth itself means that he had some previous karma left that he needed to complete in this birth. Being born as an avatara, maha vishnu has to go through the karmic cycle, there are many instances where Vishnu appears on the earth not by birth but by taking a roopam, such appearances are not part of karmic cycle(like narasimha avatara). the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2255 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 59.162.171.60 Rating: N/A |
brother can you elaborate on krishna is bound by karma...even if we think karma acts on krishna if actions are perfect there are no karmic reactions....actions of god are always perfect | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 6147 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
yeah i guess that might be a reason too.. may be Arjunudi reluctance to go to war was soo deep that he was in moral dilemma whether to kill his own extended family. kakpoteh Bheeshmudini champe vidhaanam chuskunte - arjundu thana sontham ga ala chesundevada? Krsna insistence and push ekkuva kanapduthundi aa episode lo naaku ayithe.. Me and My Ego aren't best freinds! | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 3332 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
getafix bro, okko situation dheggara aagi geethopadhesam ante inka chiraak ga undedhemo, war modhalavvaka mundhe, annitiki saripade answer ichesthe, ika war continuous ga seyyochu anemo.. !!!! the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 6146 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
Bushu brother Yea, there were lot more complicated situations which required in depth enquiry.May be Krsna intention adenemo that arjunudi budding thought ni kill cheyataniki and further confuse cheyataniki so that he will kill Drona and Bheeshma with out a question.. I always felt Arjun didnt had the level of intellect to grasp geetha.. he was lucky that he got unquestioned favoritism by Krsna. Me and My Ego aren't best freinds! | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 3331 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
@Mrhyder bro, Not all rakshasas are bad, there are lot of them who actually used their boons for good purposes, moreover, irrespective of what the other person is , i think Gods had the obligation to give what ever is asked by their bakth janam. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 6937 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
aa thread is archived..plz continue here |
