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Ishan:

However, all the three proponents were great devotees and wrote several poems on their favorite deities. They never cared too much for the details of mythology. They interpreted them to suit their theories. All these three propounded their concepts based on upanishads and not on mythology.




V.Advaitha lo Vishnu ki ekkuva importance ichinattu kanapadthadi.. so ee mugguru guruvulu thama favorite devulla ki anugunamga philosophies craft chesaru annamaata.

Dwaitha gurinchi assalu idea ledhu.. So, will restrict to Advaitha and V.Advaitha.. renditiki major difference ledu except V.Advaitha lo athman is governed by a suprememe body,paramathman anatam thappa.. (atleast i understood that way)..Close ga observe chesthe.. Vishunu avataralu and basis of those avataralu - to establish Dharma, ee influence ekkuva kanapduthundi V.Advaitha lo.. May be V.Advaitha is heavily borrowed from Bhagavad gita.
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Getafix:

ee different schools of vedanta and mana mythology trimurthulu and mukkoti devullu concept ela relate avuthundi?

Advaitha followers major ga saivites ni chusa alage V.advaitha followers Vaishnavites.. Nenu anukunedi endhante, ee 3 philosphies religion ki independent ga undali kada kaani ala ledendhuku?


There is no strong relationship between mythology and concepts. However, all the three proponents were great devotees and wrote several poems on their favorite deities. They never cared too much for the details of mythology. They interpreted them to suit their theories. All these three propounded their concepts based on upanishads and not on mythology.
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Advaitha and V.advaitha non-dualism and dwaitha dualism proponents annamata..ok...here is my question..ee different schools of vedanta and mana mythology trimurthulu and mukkoti devullu concept ela relate avuthundi?

Advaitha followers major ga saivites ni chusa alage V.advaitha followers Vaishnavites.. Nenu anukunedi endhante, ee 3 philosphies religion ki independent ga undali kada kaani ala ledendhuku?
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Basically 3 su schools of thought is similar w.r.t ultimate goal but the paths they prescribe is different.. is that what they differ with each other on?


Yes, to say it precisely, Advaitha believes that there is only one, that is we are already brahman but we think we are not because of avidya or illusion or maya. Its absolute monism.

Visistadvaitah says that non-duality is there but still there is a minute difference between individual soul, matter and Brahman. Its qualified monism or pan-en-theism.

Dwaitha makes a clear distinction between individual soul and brahman. Its pure dualism.
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Ishan:

For example advaitha predominantly uses brahman. For them everything is same. If you go in to dwaitha and vishistadvaitha, jevathma and paramathma are distinct from each other. Its the evolution or merger of jeevathma in to paramathma that is the ultimate goal.



Thanks brother for explaination..

Basically 3 su schools of thought is similar w.r.t ultimate goal but the paths they prescribe is different.. is that what they differ with each other on?
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salvation cannot be attained theoritically.
god will let the concerned realize the path to salvation by his own means.
just bcos u read some books, u wont attain salvation..
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can endhi saami...maa paul goru unnaru kadha....
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aathman,brahman and paramathman - ivi moodu enti? Brahman ante konchem idea ochindi with your post and NS's.. kanai ee 3 ela inter relate ayithayi anedi question..


Brahman is the ultimate thing. In essence, It is Nirguna meaning no qualities. You cant define and explain it because if you do you are restricting it. Paramathman is "saguna brahman" meaning the infinite manifested in a form like that of shiva or vishnu with infinitesimally auspicious qualities. Atman or jeevathma is individual soul of a human being. These definitions however are not strict and very much interchangeable depending on the context.

For example advaitha predominantly uses brahman. For them everything is same. If you go in to dwaitha and vishistadvaitha, jevathma and paramathma are distinct from each other. Its the evolution or merger of jeevathma in to paramathma that is the ultimate goal.
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Netsaint:

They are gods but thier role was not GOD in the human form.




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Ishan:

In advaithic concept, It is the singularity and the ultimate or only truth, everything else is an illusion.



Naku ee concepts lo antha kodi knowledge.. so bear with me if i mix up things..

aathman,brahman and paramathman - ivi moodu enti? Brahman ante konchem idea ochindi with your post and NS's.. kanai ee 3 ela inter relate ayithayi anedi question..
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Brahman is the term coined in Upanishads. In advaithic concept, It is the singularity and the ultimate or only truth, everything else is an illusion.
Gaanamidi...nee dhyanamidi...dhyanamulo naa praanamidi...praanamaina mooga gunde raagamidi...
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Netsaint:

The statement "I am Brahman" is both a postulation on the state of Brahman at an intellectual level and an expression of an enlightened yogi ( Brahmajnani) in a state of self-realization




Devalayam cinema lo Shobi - dehamera devalayam song lo sudden ga aham brahmasmi an andukuntad.. if human form is temple then aathma is god ani anukunna..
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Chantodu:

isha tamud h r u


...okaremo ishani antaru....nuvvemo isha antavu....inko peddayana ishananda swami antadu...naa peru tho 20-20 aadukuntunru...baagunna annai...how are you? }
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Translation: aham = I Brahmasmi = am Brahman

Meaning: I am Brahman

The statement "I am Brahman" is both a postulation on the state of Brahman at an intellectual level and an expression of an enlightened yogi ( Brahmajnani) in a state of self-realization
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Ishan:

How does this sentence agree with your above sentence?




Either you call RAMA,KRISHNA the GOD or HUMAN . not simuntaniously both.
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aham brahmasmi - ante meaning enti?
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isha tamud h r u
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Netsaint:

They are gods but thier role was not GOD in the human form.


Is this sentence applicable to all the human beings or only to rama and krishna?

Netsaint:

Lord Krishna was an ordinary mortal... not God manifest in human form!


How does this sentence agree with your above sentence?
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Kish:

Ramudu, Krishnudu Gods kaada?




neeku point artham kaale. ramudu,krishnudu devulle but they are Avataarams of Vishnu (GOD)

They are gods but thier role was not GOD in the human form.
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Netsaint:

God does not take a human form



Ramudu, Krishnudu Gods kaada?

I have respect for (actual) Sai Baba but I have trouble believing he is God! Less than 100 years back God mana madhyalo thirigaadu ante naaku digest avvadhu! Moreover all the things Sai Babu used and his photos- make me uncomfortable!

Inka Puttaparthi Saibaba, Bala Saibaba, Kalki, Amma Bhagavaan, Sri amma- veellantha pacchi frauds- vaallani choosthene kamparam naaku!
Ariche kukkalu karavavu!
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Truthfully, God does not take a human form. Neither God Almighty at any stage manifests a human form. There can never be an incarnation of God Almighty. God Almighty has always remained a Dhrista (onlooker) never interfering with the creation of his. God Almighty is not the form of human beings.

God Almighty is pure celestial energy... the combined power of all purified souls atmans in the Cosmos at a given point of time. The volume of God Almighty at the time of big bang is the size of half a thumb. This has been explicitly made clear in the Sacred Bhagavad Gita of Hinduism... the doctrine given to mankind by Lord Krishna in Mahabharata.

Then who is an Avatar? If God Almighty does not manifest a human form... who was Lord Krishna... and the awaited Avatar of the present era... the revered Bhagwan Kalki... who shall he be? When adharma (lawlessness) is at its peak... the mankind awaits the coming of a messiah to bring the humanity out of the existing chaos.

A loner... a single human being... a true representative of God Almighty on Mother Earth unable to bear the torment inflicted on mankind takes charge. Such is the power of this enlightened soul... apart from having gained enlightenment (kaivalya jnana)... this individual soul also inculcates in self the power of righteousness (Dharma)!

Coupled with this power of Dharma (righteousness)... this one-man army becomes the Crusader of mankind for times to come. Such power is wielded by this loner that humanity considers such a one as Almighty himself. It is beyond the comprehension of most human beings for normal human beings to exhibit such powers.

If Lord Krishna became an Avatar of his era... it simply resulted from the real grit and will power exercised by this single human being. Every human being has an image of God within. When we find a human being usurping such powers... we start treating one equivalent to God Almighty. Lord Krishna was an ordinary mortal... not God manifest in human form!

In times of distress... when situation world over seems out of control and beyond repair... amongst the humanity... there always is one individual who makes it his goal of life to root out adharma (lawlessness) from the affairs of the world forever. It seems impossible... but for a true seeker of spirituality... to exercise restraint yet, exhibit powers of a Chanakya coupled with that of a man god becomes practically possible.

In about 3500 to 5000 years... the world always witnesses the coming of a messiah... the Crusader of mankind... a true representative of God Almighty... one who re-establishes Dharma (righteousness) and the faith of mankind in God Almighty. Unique are the ways of God Almighty... something beyond the purview of senses of human beings!

Dogged by wanton desires and greed for materialistic riches... human beings simply cannot consider a human being... someone amongst us assuming the mettle of God Almighty. Whatever powers Lord Krishna exercised... none went into the detail how he got them! People simply believed in miracles.

Lord Krishna fought adharma (lawlessness) for he had taken unto himself a vow... To fight for the good of all! Relationship or no relationship... he always sided with one who was truthful and right. For Lord Krishna justice mattered above all. Delivering justice when defeat seemed certain were his forte. In spite of all odds he convinced King Arjuna to fight his opponent in the battlefield... be it his cousins, relatives or friends!

The difference between every human being can be broadly measured by the impurities contained within every soul atman. Every soul atman is on its cosmic journey to purify itself... remove the impurities... dross contained within! Similar as one KG of gold is sandwiched amongst a lump of hundred KG of gold ore... every soul atman requires purification from the impurities contained within.

As the impurities within the soul atman gradually remove... we move faster towards the path of enlightenment (gaining kaivalya jnana) and salvation (moksha). The moment complete dross within the soul atman removes forever... one finally reaches the 8.4 millionth manifestation... the last in the cosmic cycle when the soul atman finally liberates from the cycle of birth and death forever. The liberated soul atman after salvation gains entry into the kingdom of God.

Every soul atman is God Almighty in minuscule form. A portion of the whole Cosmos.... God Almighty himself exists within every human being as our soul atman that seems to reside within our heart. As long as our heart keeps pumping... the physical manifest life continues! The moment our soul atman leaves the body... the dead heart and the body decays forever.

Right from the first manifestation as an amoeba until the last as an enlightened one... the journey of soul atman is a smooth passage. Perceived from the senses point of view... life appears broken. In the world of souls' atmans... the total journey of 8.4 million manifestations for the soul atman is one single life span... a continuous journey of 96.4 million earthly years!

Life in the cosmic system is not governed by the manifest form... the form of human beings but our soul atman within. Our soul atman is the controller and governor of the body and not vice versa. It is not within the capability of the body to manifest a soul atman. Every human being nay every living being is an individual piece of puzzle.

The moment human beings gains enlightenment... that particular piece of puzzle joins the larger whole... God Almighty himself! At the time of collapse of the Cosmos... the entire puzzle is about to complete! Does it mean that all forms of living beings at the time of dissolution of the Cosmos... in whatever stage of life they may be gain enlightenment and finally salvation... yes, it is a fact of life! All souls finally reach the kingdom of God (aka Baikuntha in Hinduism).

The physical manifest form... the form of a human being can never be equated with the soul atman within. Our soul atman is made up of the basic building block of the Cosmos... clusters of atoms and molecules! The potential... the energy contained within a soul atman is beyond the comprehension of human beings! Only an enlightened soul comes to realize the truth of life!

The moment I realized God in 1993... The completion gist of Bhagavad Gita... the doctrine given to mankind by Lord Krishna became like ABCD to me. It was as if I had dictated the sacred Bhagavad Gita in one of my earlier manifestations. Not alone Bhagavad Gita... the content of every sacred Scripture is like ABCD to me.

There is nothing in the entire Cosmos that is beyond the catch of an enlightened one. Having seen the light of the sun... to distinguish between the light of a bulb and candle is not difficult. The knower of Bhagavad Gita finally becomes the knower of all. One single document... the sacred Bhagavad Gita is sufficient for a loner... a single human being to reach the stage of enlightenment and finally gain salvation!

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