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     Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7738 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.174.176.93 Rating: |
The difference between religions is also only in the externals. If truth was different in each religion, it would not be truth anymore  And I do not believe any one religion has a monopoly on truth... I agree 100% with Masularex, change is needed for survival of individuals, societies, cultures and religions Kalam, yugam varaku vellakharledu location change avute kuda dharmamu adharmamu avutundi Chinna example... Manaki menarikalu acceptable , dharmam , north of vindhyas hindus lone menarikam incest to samanamu , adharmam - same religion mari - why the difference in what is perceived as dharma...? We have a rich heritage that developed and enveloped so many schools of thought - today to try to confine it into a single school of thought is what will do most harm to hinduism...my two cents aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 4235 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.192.17 Rating: |
why should we follow only a single book?.....we have history of lakhs of years....Our literatue is vast and informs us history,beliefs, culture, arts, sciences and life style of our civilzation...it has information on every aspect of life and culture........This philosophical and cultural outlook is best summarized in Gita
meeku edi nachithe adhi....Ramayanam, mahabharatham, Bhagavatam, Gita veeti anniti lonu common discussion satyam ante enti, dharamam ante enti...edhi follow aina you will progress
it assimilated what is in sync with it's basic foundations.....diametrically opposite asuric ideas ni assimilate chesukola....it fought a thousand battles against these asuric and adharmic ideas and theologies
only externals change...truth doesn't....does pythogress theorm change with time?....basic principles of dharma doesn't change | ||
| Masularex Junior Artist Username: Masularex Post Number: 146 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 117.195.165.3 Rating: |
aa vast collection of literature lo oka single book/set of rules cheppandi...andaru hindu/hindu soceity follow ayyedi...thelusukoni undedi...like bible and quran adigrandha etc... meeru cheppe acharalu, alavatlu,rituals anni dooranga chuste antha okete follow avuthunnatu untundi...kaani vaatilo chala difference undi...ayina similarity in these things not required for a religion... agreed ... ayyindavacchu... ekkada undi? evaru chepparu? as a hindu ea literature follow avvali nenu? Ramayanam? bharatham? bagavadgeetha? poni manusmruthi? dharma adharma fixed kaadu...kaalanni batti dharmam adharmamunga maarathundi...vice-versa...thank god I am not following a book written four thousand years ago...I am using my conscious...my soceity's accumulated knowledge for judging which is right and which is wrong...I don't mind if someone doesn't recognize me as a Hindu... ikkada hindu...adi "religion" leda "way of life" ki vacchina nastamu emi ledu...just don't compare it with other religions...Hindu religion culture survive avadaaniki kaaranamu...flexibility...adaptability...ability to absorb other faiths... like any living thing..."religion" "way of life" must evolve with out any break...only change is permanent...stagnancy indicates death... established system ni okka rojulo marcheddamu anukune yound blood ..ade system ni standstill gaa pettali anukone orthodox manushulu iddaru same...hindrance to that society's growth... | ||
| Onlooker Comedian Username: Onlooker Post Number: 1407 Registered: 07-2010 Posted From: 12.184.71.130 Rating: N/A |
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| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 4233 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.192.17 Rating: |
daniki mundhu sanatana dharma anevallu....just name changed....puttinapati nunchi poyedhaka at different stages of life specific samskaras,rituals vunnayi...veetini way of life anochu, culture anochu, religion anochu....alage different theological and philosophical schools vunnayi like vaidiks,vaishnavism, shaivism, shakthi worship.......ee religions ki religious heads vunnaru...ivi organised religions kakapothemari emiti?...but there is underlying common principles among these religions...concepts like atma,paramatma, karma, punarjanma, papam, punyam....hinduism ante adedho kalagoora gampa daniki oka common basis ledhu, evadaina hinduve ani pracharam chese vallu they are doing harm to sanathan dharma....we have a clear definition of what is dharma? and what is adharma?....what is daivee sampathi? and what is asuree sampathee?....and we have a vast collection of literature that guides us...
FYI dalits are 15%...and even among these not all were treated as untouchbles......i agree some of the dalit castes were out of caste system and were treated badly....but they were not completely out of hindu paradigm...they had their own priests and ceremonies | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7737 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.174.176.93 Rating: N/A |
Very well said Diverse ga develop ayina culture ni sudden ga one religion ante the identity is almost only by elimination - you don't do a, b, c so you are hindu If we ask what makes us a hindu, there is no one size fits all hindus answer - and any attempt to build such an answer will only bring divisions , not unity ....aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Masularex Junior Artist Username: Masularex Post Number: 145 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 117.195.165.3 Rating: |
"it's religion, culture and way of life" hindu anedi oka religion annadi hardly five hundred years nunchi chepputhunnaru...anthaku mundu adi way of life...kaaranam organized religions like Christianity islam prabavamu tho... Hindu society oka abstract concept ani enduku annanante... anthaku mundu manaki organized religion anna concept ledu...buddism, jainism laanti organized movements vacchina...vedika dharma vaatini thanalo kalipesukundi... Christianity islam not only religions...also political movements... Hindu soceity lo unna chaala mandi oke devuduni pujincharu...compulsory congression undadu... Hindu veru Hindu society veru...nearly 30 persent unna dalits don't consider themselves as hindus...yes they are part of a grand old hindu society... "nation" anna word manamu ela theesukunnamo alage "religion" anna word kuda theesukoni mana way of life ki chuttabettamu...tappuledu...change is required...kaani religion anna identy lo set kaavadaaniki time paduthundi...bahusa eppatiki jaragapovachhu...mana way of life ki vacchina problem emi ledu...konni vela ellu gaa undi..inka konni vela eellu untadi... | ||
| Onlooker Comedian Username: Onlooker Post Number: 1404 Registered: 07-2010 Posted From: 12.184.71.130 Rating: N/A |
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| Masularex Junior Artist Username: Masularex Post Number: 144 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 117.195.165.3 Rating: N/A |
 entha sepu mukabinaymenaa emanna maatedi unda??? anni threads lo ittage icons pettadamu... | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 4231 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.192.17 Rating: N/A |
it's religion, culture and way of life | ||
| Onlooker Comedian Username: Onlooker Post Number: 1402 Registered: 07-2010 Posted From: 12.184.71.130 Rating: N/A |
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| Masularex Junior Artist Username: Masularex Post Number: 143 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 117.195.165.3 Rating: N/A |
 anduke nenu cheppindi ee vishyamu discuss cheyadaaniki chaala opika kaavali ani... mundu "hindu" ante ento define cheyandi...adi oka religion aa leka oka way of life aa??? | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7733 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.174.176.93 Rating: N/A |
That article ws written 20 years ago - the measures may have been relevant then in terms of controlled journalism and literary platforms... In todays world of the internet - everyone has a platform..trying to control which hindu voices their ideas is not just impossible but also very counter-productive aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 4229 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.192.17 Rating: N/A |
sangh parivar has it's own short comings......but it's the one that currently occupied hindu space.....it will do what it can do to further hindu cause....if it can't something else will come up and occupy it's space....it's happening through out hindu histroty......"yada yada hi dharmasya..." | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 4228 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.192.17 Rating: N/A |
why is it an abstract concept?......that's the level of our self-negation and confusion....tell me which part of indian society is abstract hindu | ||
| Masularex Junior Artist Username: Masularex Post Number: 141 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 117.195.165.3 Rating: N/A |
skimmed through that post...tried to understand his point...asalu "Hindu Society" anedi oka abstract concept ayinnappudu...daani gurinchi discussion cheyadaaniki chaala opika kaavali... | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7731 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.174.176.93 Rating: N/A |
Those footnotes don't do the Sangh Parivar any credit ...do they ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Senapathy Junior Artist Username: Senapathy Post Number: 817 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 66.75.19.11 Rating: N/A |
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| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 4224 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.192.17 Rating: N/A |
akkada vundhi summary ne.....inkaa gist ante kashtam | ||
| Senapathy Junior Artist Username: Senapathy Post Number: 815 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 66.75.19.11 Rating: N/A |
Thammudu. Naaku Sunday morning opika ledu and also lot others. Oka 2 lines lo summary ettu. I like to know the gist. Thanks | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 4222 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.192.17 Rating: N/A |
http://voiceofdharma.org/books/tfst/chi2.htm 2. Ideological Defence of Hindu Society SITA RAM GOEL 1. Ideological aggression, if not resisted in proper time, leads invariably to physical aggression. 2. Instead of promoting a physical clash, ideological defence i. prevents it most of the time because the aggressor stands warned that he would be resisted; ii. or minimises one-sided violence because the victim also stands well-prepared; iii. and often helps the aggressor to drop his habit because he comes to know that the other side knows his designs or that there is another side of the story. 3. Hindu society has been facing ideological aggression. i. from Islam, for more than thirteen hundred years with the result that Islam has gained a large population of converts who have staged repeated rounds of violence besides partitioning the country and forming permanently hostile states on both sides of our borders; ii. from Christianity, for nearly five hundred years with the result that native converts in the North-East now feel sufficiently strong to mount a series of violent insurrections; iii. from Communism, for more than fifty years during which we have witnessed several rounds of violence. 4. Hindu history goes to show that Hindu society has rarely put forward an ideological defence and all along tried to correct the aggressor by the catholicity of its spiritual culture. 5. While Hindu society has survived due to its intrinsic strength, it has not been able to stop ideological aggression followed by physical aggression, and has suffered staggering losses in terms of territory, population and morale, which is more important. II 6. By now Hindu society has been thrown on the defensive to such an extent that even a mild protest against further aggression invites accusations of intolerance, communalism and chauvinism. 7. The aggressive ideologies operating within the Hindu homeland have entrenched themselves in the shape of whole communities and have many centres and seminaries which send out an ever-increasing number of ideologically equipped cadres for spreading their tentacles farther a field. 8. Being foreign in their origins, these ideologies have powerful international allies who provide to them massive aid and abetment - financial, diplomatic and moral-psychological. 9. On the other hand, traditional Hindu saints, sannyasins and scholars have not been able to meet the challenge i. either because it does not register in their awareness on account of their total preoccupation with indigenous themes; ii. or because they regard these aggressive ideologies as similar to Hindu sects which have to be accommodated in the over-all framework of traditional Hindu tolerance; iii. or because they do not understand the true character and dimensions of aggression, even when they recognise it as such. 10. The English-educated Hindu elite which controls the commanding heights in government, educational institutions and mass media has failed the test i. either because it has become indifferent to Hindu society as a result of having imbibed the current cosmopolitan culture; ii. or because it has been trained to look at Hindu society through eyes which are not of its own ancestral culture and, as a result, has become sceptical about, if not actually hostile to the merits of Hindu society; iii. or because it is too ignorant of Hindu spirituality, cultural creativity, social philosophy and historical traditions to put up a worthwhile defence even when it is sympathetic and wants to stop the aggression. 11. This desperate situation has been made more difficult by a degenerate politics through which vote-hungry, sloganised, short-sighted and nominally Hindu politicians i. weaken Hindu society by dividing it on the basis of caste, sect, language and region; ii. disarm Hindu society by sanctimonious and one-sided appeals in the name of traditional Hindu tolerance; iii. strengthen alienated and aggressive communities by supporting their separatist demands in the name of secularism. III 12. It is high time for Hindu society to take up a determined stand against ideological aggression and organise its own defence on an ideological basis. 13. The defence has to be simultaneous on two fronts: i. strengthening, reforming, revitalizing and reaffirming our own religious, cultural, educational and social institutions and traditions; ii. exposing the true character of aggressive ideologies with reference to their own sources and history and in the light of Hindu thought. 14. The first task has to be shouldered mainly by Hindu religious leaders and socio-cultural movements, though there is ample scope for Hindu scholarship to present the deeper unity of Hindu schools of thought and spirituality, of Hindu cultural variety and of Hindu social traditions, as also the heroic strain in Hindu history, with a view to restore Hindu pride in its own rich heritage. 15. The second task is essentially that of Hindu scholarship which can collect, collate, interpret and present correct knowledge not only about the character of aggressive ideologies but also about their means and methods. IV 16. This ideological struggle for defence of Hindu society and against aggressive ideologies has to be viewed and waged not only in the Indian context but also on a global scale so that i. we find our own international allies in ideological forces which are in accord with our own culture; ii. we are able to turn back the aggressive ideologies in their own bases abroad. V 17. A start can be made in the shape of a Hindu Centre in India which i. will contact and bring together whatever scholars with a Hindu perspective are already available in the country; ii. reorient such scholars as have the requisite intellectual equipment but lack the Hindu perspective; iii. train new scholars with a Hindu perspective in different disciplines. 18. In due course, this Centre can become the mother of many more centres in India and abroad, all of which can be, at some stage, coordinated into an International Hindu Centre. VI 19. Utmost care should be taken to see that the whole effort in developing this scholarship is thought-oriented and not status-oriented, which means that i. scholars who have the Hindu perspective as also the courage to present it publicly should be cultivated and honoured; ii. scholars who have the Hindu perspective but not the courage to present it publicly in the prevailing atmosphere should be given every support so that they come out into the open; iii. scholars who have status in the present set-up but not the Hindu perspective should be ignored or at least not provided with an additional platform; iv. scholars who play the tune for whoever pays them should be scrupulously avoided. VII 20. The Hindu perspective relating to different problems and fields of scholarship can be evolved by a committee of religious and socio-cultural leaders and scholars who have given thought to the current situation. 21. Another committees of men of means and influence should be formed to raise the necessary resources. Footnotes: This was written at the behest of Shri K.S. Sudarshan of the RSS to serve as the working paper of a series of seminars at different places in the country. The first seminar was held at the Deen Dayal Research Institute, New Delhi, in 1983 and was attended by several bigwigs of the RSS as well as the VHP. The writer of the working paper had also been invited. But when he saw the working paper that was distributed to the participants, he found that it was not the paper he had written but its âsummaryâ distilled by some Sangh scribe. The logic, language and spirit of the original paper had been more or less completely knocked out. (The Sangh Parivar never touches anything which does not originate from within it, or unless it has been messed up by one of its members. No Hindu outside the Sangh Parivar carries any credit with the Parivar unless the person has status either in terms of wealth or in the eyes of the secularist establishment.) The discussion that followed was a free for all, the underlying refrain being that the Sangh âknows it all, has always known it, and can and will solve all problems in due courseâ. The only substantial contribution was made by an RSS lawyer hailing from Anantnag in Kashmir. âI have studied Islam in depth,â he said, âand found it to be a great religion. I cannot understand anyone placing Islam in the dock.â Ironically enough this defender of Islam was literally the first to be shot dead when the ethnic cleansing started in the Valley in the winter of 1989. The V.P. Singh Government with I.K. Gujral as its Minister of External Affairs, provided the opportunity the Islamic terrorists were waiting for. |
