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Der_schuler
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I love his other book "The God Delusion"...but I'm sure you will loathe it.




This is where he lost his place in my eyes...it was pure, unadulterated rile than any informed reason to condemn whatever he wanted to...

Dawkins is a non religious demo-gauge by and large smitten by scientism.....


Ethical ivaani chaala subjective intrpretations ani secular sodharul vadhinchinappudu...U shud also be ready to take what science gives to you...if not all, bigger works in science reinfornce selective preferential mating...and if a race/sect has certain things to its advantage, it is practical to do so..

U cant quote ethics when science doesnt back ur claim and riducule ethics from religious institutions when ethics can be temp dispensed with...Be rational to the end of the argument is what I ask others and try myself...if u want to thread that path

Rationality in any form doesn't say segregation is bad...
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from wat i read about eugenic , eugenics wont allow someone to make love...they can only fck....
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read it along with the Blind watch maker.




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'The selfish Gene' by Richard Dawkins




read it along with the Blind watch maker...but long time back...watchmaker almost 8-10 years ago.....selfish gene in grad school
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The selfish Gene' by Richard Dawkins.


I heard about this one a lot. I will read it soon.
tum chupaanaasakogi...main woh raaaz hun...tum bhulaanasakogi...woh andaaaz hun...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1sKAxUV2lY&videos=owak8I-G8i0
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altruism and spitefulness gurinchi chadivanu idivaraku....unproven inductive reasoning anukuntunna...nevertheless very logical...

Inbreeding comes with it's own risks, like the ones that I mentioned before...If a group is willing to accept and embrace the solidification of harmful traits, along with the beneficial ones, then why not...

They just need to be aware of what they are getting into, is all I'm saying...

If you ever get a chance, try 'The selfish Gene' by Richard Dawkins...It is a phenomenal book on Genetic Evolution....You may agree or disagree with what he says, but it is a must read for anyone interested in this topic...Dawkins introduced the concept of "Meme" in this book; about 10 years after Hamilton established the hypothesis of "Spite".

I love his other book "The God Delusion"...but I'm sure you will loathe it.
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Worst thing is these orthodox catholic/christian Germans don't care about people from other religions... Hindu-Islam = India-Pakistan anukuntaru...
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Venkateswarlu:

Inthakee hitalar german aa..


Austrian...kadu nenu German ani cheppukuni thirigetodu anta..
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Hitler implement chesina ee thuglak rule valla most of the Germans even today only date & marry Germans..


Inthakee hitalar german aa..
In this db, there's always someone watching you!!
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Ashton:

Hitler implement chesina ee thuglak rule valla most of the Germans even today only date & marry Germans..




lol
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Hitler implement chesina ee thuglak rule valla most of the Germans even today only date & marry Germans..
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""In brief outline, the theory points out that for a gene to receive positive selection it is not necessarily enough that it should increase the fitness of its bearer above the average if this tends to be done at the heavy expense of related individuals, because relatives, on account of their common ancestry, tend to carry replicas of the same gene: and conversely that a gene may receive positive selection even though disadvantageous to its bearers if it causes them to confer sufficiently large advantages on relatives. Relationships alone never gives grounds for certainty that a person carries a gene which a relative is known to carry except when the relationship is "clonal" or "mitotic" (e.g. the two are monozygotic twins) --- and even then, strictly, the possibility of an intervening mutation should be admitted. In general, it has been shown that Wright's Coefficient of Relationship r approximates closely to the chance that a replica will be carried. Thus it an altruistic trait is in question more than 1/r units of reproductive potential or "fitness" must be endowed on a relative or degree r for every one unit lost by the altruist if the population is to gain on average more replicas than it loses. Similarly, if a selfish trait is in question, the individual must receive and use at least a fraction r of the quantity of "fitness" deprived form his relative if the causative gene is to be selected." (Hamilton, W. D. (1964) The genetic evolution of social behavior. J Theoretical Biology 7: pp. 17-18)

"The social behavior of a species evolves in such a way that in each distinct behavior-evoking situation the individual will seem to value his neighbors' fitness against his own according to the coefficients of relationship appropriate to that situation." (Hamilton, W. D. (1964) The genetic evolution of social behavior. J Theoretical Biology 7: pp. 18)

"This means [see equation] that for a hereditary tendency to perform an action of this kind to evolve the benefit to a sib must average at least twice the loss to the individual, the benefit to a half-sib must be at least four times the loss, to a cousin eight times and so on. To express the matter more vividly, in the world of our model organisms, whose behavior is determined strictly by genotype, we expect to find that no one is prepared to sacrifice his life for any single person but that everyone will sacrifice it when he can thereby save more than two brothers, or four half-brothers, or eight first cousins...." (Hamilton, W. D. (1964) The genetic evolution of social behavior. J Theoretical Biology 7: pp. 16) "
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That is the reason why preferential inbreeding is done..anukuntunna....

I know u and me have different world views but if u are interested read this:

Hamilton W.D. (1964). The genetical evolution of social behaviour I and II
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yes..

Inbreeding can establish positive traits..but it will also solidify negative traits in that group...

German Shepherds are the best example for Inbreeding that has happened over the past century or so...for all the desirable characteristics they possess, they also suffer from hip dysplasia and several other health problems..
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Is it ethical or not is a totally different question





Agree...I consider it proper
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Eugenics as a science is real...Is it ethical or not is a totally different question
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Eugenics is different from inbreeding kadha LWA??
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namo enkatesa loo..

dharmavarapu : emoii ramanujam....menarikam chesukunte pillalu shapeless ga pudataaru anta kadaaa..

Ramanujam: avunu sir...Mee amma gaariki menarikamey chesaru kadaaa..

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Eugenics was essentially "born" as a scientific curiosity in the Victorian age. In 1863,

A close cousin of Charles Darwin, Sir Francis Galton, theorized that if talented people married only other talented people, the obvious result would be continuing improvement in offspring. Just like breeding farm animals for improvement in certain features, humans could breed for intellect and artistic capacity.


In the Early 1900's, Galton's ideas were imported to the United States. That coincided with a revived interest in Gregor Mendel's principles of heredity.

It only seemed obvious that followers of eugenics belief would advocate that Mendelian concepts determining the color and size of peas, corn and cattle also governed the social and intellectual character of man. To the eugenicists, "Refined intelligent people were that way because they had evolved beyond the lower functioning masses of unwashed humanity.

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