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     Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7626 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 166.205.14.130 Rating: |
Rebel, Inception movie chustunte vachina immediate thought ade - that religion is the best executed inception ani  especially Mal's char reminded me of all the people who end their current life in the in pursuit of a better afterlife...aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7624 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: |
Yes- and that's what he calls the Buddha mind. Just awareness and mindful action
Excellent thought - hence the different approaches for different hardware set-ups in the brain ??? And the caution that there is no one size fits all aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Bushu Junior Artist Username: Bushu Post Number: 935 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 12.30.230.138 Rating: N/A |
so how do you relate to the present moment? presently, I see an email from my boss - how do I know he is my boss? | ||
| Cocanada Moderator Username: Cocanada Post Number: 25127 Registered: 01-2008 Rating: N/A |
OK. My definition of being in the present moment: Let your mind be free of memories of the past and expectations of the future But how small / how big is the present moment? Veeche gaali andari kosam. Vana megham dachukodhu tana kosam Surya kanthi andari kosam. Chandra jyothi eragadu ye swaartham | ||
| Bushu Junior Artist Username: Bushu Post Number: 930 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 12.30.230.138 Rating: N/A |
and what is the answer? | ||
| Cocanada Moderator Username: Cocanada Post Number: 25118 Registered: 01-2008 Rating: N/A |
 Bottom line baga cheppavu bedhar I was cogitating on this concept and wanted to know what "present moment" means. Finally found the answer in OSHO's Awareness Veeche gaali andari kosam. Vana megham dachukodhu tana kosam Surya kanthi andari kosam. Chandra jyothi eragadu ye swaartham | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 299 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.168.37 Rating: N/A |
nice post. it might be possible to consciously alter the patterns/structures. it would be replacement of one pattern/structure with some other, may be a better one. how would it be if the free will is absolute free will in the sense that there is nothing to direct it and the all the actions are at the mercy of its course of movement. there is nothing to guide. or rather it would be just mind consciousness then...pure mindfulness whatever it means ...just above the sense consciousness !?? also,possibility of consciously altering the store consciousness could again be determined the pliability of the hardware and efficacy of free will which in turn is dependent on the wiring!!! that is the reason meditation/drugs any other method work for only some people. also,possibility of consciously altering the store consciousness could again be determined the pliability of the hardware and efficacy of free will which in turn is dependent on the wiring!!! that is the reason meditation/drugs any other method work for only some people. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7623 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 166.205.12.152 Rating: |
Rebel, But I am happy in my current level living in the momen like onlooker said I have no desire to get out of the illusion/dream/limbo/reality whatever this is aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Onlooker Junior Artist Username: Onlooker Post Number: 433 Registered: 07-2010 Posted From: 75.221.246.157 Rating: N/A |
sure...Consciousness is a science now...There is a whole lot of research going on... http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1580394,00. html Anyways, nenu chepppindi...how we can benefit in our day to day life... | ||
| Rebel Side Hero Username: Rebel Post Number: 7945 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 24.118.198.14 Rating: N/A |
Use ur totem once ...4 years in limbo is equivalent to 1 hr in real world. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7622 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: |
Memu oppukomu - ikkada nenu, nisarga 4 years ga deeni meeda serious ga discussion chestunnam -to solve the mysteries of creation Just kidding - its an interesting puzzle ante - the physical manifestation of the spiritual
Enduku sorry - this is a DB , not a private chat
Yes - so is the brain map of a person who has acheived that state different from one who has not ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Onlooker Junior Artist Username: Onlooker Post Number: 431 Registered: 07-2010 Posted From: 75.221.246.157 Rating: N/A |
Live in the present....observe the moment as it passes by....feel the moment... sareeram oka chota burra inkoo chota ettamakandi..khel katham | ||
| Rebel Side Hero Username: Rebel Post Number: 7943 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 24.118.198.14 Rating: N/A |
It's all Inception..wake up | ||
| Onlooker Junior Artist Username: Onlooker Post Number: 430 Registered: 07-2010 Posted From: 75.221.246.157 Rating: N/A |
blessings ivvataniki nenu emanna saffron baba anukunnava.. nityananda noo kalki ganno try seyyi...rakarakalu gaa bless sestaru  | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 3780 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.192.17 Rating: N/A |
baga chepparu anand gaaru....i agree....when we are overburdened by karma our free will is vnot 100% free and our store consciousness or karma take over or controls our destiny | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 14877 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 148.168.127.10 Rating: N/A |
anni pustaks sadivesaava annai .. gr8 nuvvu .. address ivvu .. kalisi nee blessings teesukunta ! Anand garu & Nisarga .. sorry to poke my nose in this thread ! Ab bhi jiska khoon na khola - khoon nahi wo paani hai, jo desh ke kaam na aye - wo bekaar jawani hay | ||
| Onlooker Junior Artist Username: Onlooker Post Number: 429 Registered: 07-2010 Posted From: 75.221.246.157 Rating: N/A |
Consciousness gurinchi ekkuva alochinchi burra paadu seskokandi... okka line lo baatam line edathaaa... "Stop daydreaming" is the summary of all books on Consciousness. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7621 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: |
Nisarga, A thought occured as I was typing the last line of the previous post and started a chain reaction of other thoughts/ideas... I am taking the supposition further that we can seed the store consciousness and increase the extent of freewill in a widening spiral... The influence of past karma is inversely proportional (for sake of simplicity) to the influence of free will.When we are free of karmic balance , we have absolute free will uninfluenced by past Or conversely , when you are in control of what goes into and comes out of your store consciousness , you are free from karma - the kaivalya state.. So maybe karma is hardcoded in your store consciousness? Long back in a thread on astrology , I had conjectured that maybe the various fields(planetary) at birth influence hardwiring via synapses at birth.. If the collective store consciousness influences the individual store consciousness - then it will probably have a significant influence on the individual store consciousness(hardwired brain) at birth ??? And undoing this hardwiring in the brain and/or minimizing the impact of the hardwired portion would be tantamount to maximising freewill ? I think the spiritual equivalent of that state would be kaivalya - where only your current actions drive your life, not the accumulated past karma Can this be replicated physically -by altering the brain structure ?Maybe that's what tantra, yoga and meditation practices do as well ? Interesting possibilities... Thank you - discussing with you always triggers good thought trains aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7617 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: |
That's exactly why I thought it might interest you Also , it was a throwback to our conversation in B'lore - about the possibility of being able to tap into the collective store consciousness/thoughtsphere And the "limited but available" free will part is very similar to what Hofstadter theorised in GEB ... The rest of the book(Buddha Mind, buddha body) is essentially philosophy on how to live in the moment- but the consciousness explanation was good ... Another point he talks about is about what you said the other day of a physical process preceding intention - he actually quoted neurological research that says activity in the brain has been detecte microseconds prior to the mind registering intention So is intention the result of earlier non-cognizable activities int he brain driven by the store-consciousness? Very likely But are those activities driven by what we previously seeded in the store consciousness - again very likely So here's a thought - does that conscious seeding of the store increase the sphere of influence of the freewill? Sounds like a plan to me aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 295 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 115.184.38.4 Rating: N/A |
Thanks for the link. Other interesting excerpts: When we speak of mind consciousness, we’re also speaking of body consciousness, because mind consciousness isn’t possible without the brain. Body and mind are simply two aspects of the same thing. Body without consciousness is not a real, live body. And consciousness can’t manifest itself without a body. It’s an illusion that we are free. The degree of freedom that our mind consciousness has is actually very small. Store consciousness dictates many of the things we do, because store consciousness continuously receives, embraces, maintains, processes, and makes many decisions without the participation of mind consciousness. But if we know the practice, we can influence our store consciousness; we can help influence how our store consciousness stores and processes information so as to make better decisions. We can influence it. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7598 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: |
Nisarga, Have you read any of the Budhist literature on consciousness ? Just finished reading Buddha Mind, Buddha Body by Thich Nhat Hanh... The book explained from a Buddhist perspective a lot of topics/ideas we have discussed over the years Consciousness, its levels, mind, intention, causality of intention/will... I found the explanation of the store consciousness and its modus operandi interesting.. The collective store consciousness was reminiscent of UG's thoughtsphere we discussed earlier... Found a good excerpt of his writing in a condensed article ... Don't really have the time to discuss at length but thought you might find the perspective interesting http://www.thebuddhadharma.com/issues/2006/summer/consciousn ess.html Salient points : The Buddha taught that consciousness is always continuing, like a stream of water. Consciousness has four layers. The four layers of consciousness are mind consciousness,sense consciousness, store consciousness,and manas. Mind consciousness is the first kind of consciousness. It uses up most of our energy. Mind consciousness is our“working”consciousness that makes judgments and plans; it is the part of our consciousness that worries and analyzes. The second level of consciousness is sense consciousness, the consciousness that comes from our five senses: sight, hearing, taste, touch, and smell. We sometimes call these senses "gates," or "doors," because all objects of perception enter consciousness through our sensory contact with them. Sense consciousness always involves three elements: first, the sense organ (eyes, ears, nose, tongue, or body); second, the sense object itself (the object we're smelling or the sound we're hearing); and finally, our experience of what we are seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, or touching. The third layer of consciousness, store consciousness, is the deepest.Store consciousness refers to the storing and also to what is stored—that is, all the information from the past, from our ancestors, and all the information received from the other consciousnesses.That's why selecting the people you are around is very important. Its very important to surround yourself with people who have loving-kindness, understanding, and compassion, because day and night we are influenced by the collective consciousness. This is the fourth level of consciousness, called manas, which I like to translate as "cogitation." Manas consciousness has at its root the belief in a separate self, the belief in a person. This consciousness, the feeling and instinct called "I am," is very deeply seated in store consciousness. Its not a view taken up by mind consciousness. Deeply seated in the depths of store consciousness is this idea that there is a self that is separate from non-self elements. The function of manas is to cling to store consciousness as a separate self. aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale |
