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Curious - how ? we do not experience our wisdom - its just a state of being anukuntunna




Wisdom is a state of being resulting from experience..

Wisdom is intrinsically personal..

Wisdom is difficult to propagate or share.. unlike knowledge..

Knowledge is theory.. Wisdom is Practical..
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Maa bamma cheppedi ... ramudu , krishnudu veellu kooda manushule , kani manchi manchi panulu sesi , gods la punjincha baddaru ... aa time lo events ni record chesina authors (ikkada valmiki) mundu taralaki valla image ni elevate cheyyadiniki , koncham drama , action , fantasy kooda kalipesaru ani ... so evari pov lo vaaru rasaru ani !!

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Coming to Valmiki Ramayana.. is it really so sacrosanct??

We know that there are many versions of Ramayana world over.. even in India there are many versions which do differ from Valmiki.. these were not written in modern times with some ulterior political or cultural motives but long back when religion was strong.. if Valmiki Ramayana was really so sacred.. why did other versions dare to deviate??

The better part of Ramayana actually took place not in north India but in south India.. that way could Kamba Ramayana be more closer to truth than Valmiki Ramayana as it could have been based on local popular folklore passed down for generations..

Ramayana is not a creative brainchild of Valmiki.. it was real History that he recorded.. as such different people could have recorded the same History in different manner in different folklore...
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Anthe anthe.. Sivudu Narayanudu okarinokaru itte recognize cheskuntaru mari..

Antha Vishnu maya..


hehe ... Vaikuntam ela undi madhava? meeku kooda global warming valla edanna effect unda? maa kailaasam kariginchestunnaru dushta maanavulu ..

Ishan:

ahaaa emi naa bhaagyamu...hariharuliddarini choosi naa janma charithaarthamayyindi...naa janmaki inthe chaalu...nenu himalayas ki pothunna repe...


nuvvu kooda rudra amse anukunta kada .. nuvvu undaalsina pradesame .. takshaname payanamavvu .. :D
Ekam sat, Vipra bahuda vadanti :-)
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ahaaa emi naa bhaagyamu...hariharuliddarini choosi naa janma charithaarthamayyindi...naa janmaki inthe chaalu...nenu himalayas ki pothunna repe...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4

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ante naa peru Sivudi pere .. so thanks annai .. baga recognize chesaaru ..




Anthe anthe.. Sivudu Narayanudu okarinokaru itte recognize cheskuntaru mari..

Antha Vishnu maya..

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Iamim:

Adedo ikkada post cheyyandi.. share it and double your ego..




Already infinity ki close ga undi ego ani decide ayyanu - zero ki velle chance ledu so trying for the other extreme :-) I write thoughts/musings - not really structured or meant for sharing in a public forum :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Iamim:

Namaskaram Mahadev..




ante naa peru Sivudi pere .. so thanks annai .. baga recognize chesaaru .. one more factor to bloat your ego .. :D
Ekam sat, Vipra bahuda vadanti :-)
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Iamim:

Brahmarishi only coz of burning ego..



Iamim:

only his ego took him to great spiritual heights...


Contradictory. His ego actually delayed his spiritual pursuit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4

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pranaam gurudev ..




Namaskaram Mahadev..
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this was the theme of my last poem :-)




Adedo ikkada post cheyyandi.. share it and double your ego..
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But if you want to progress spiritually, one has to run away from ego as faster as possible.




The great sage Viswamitra could become a Brahmarishi only coz of burning ego..

Sans ego Viswamitra would have been just another unknown king.. only his ego took him to great spiritual heights...
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Iamim:

Anyway.. ego is the only way to progress in life..




Agree ...:-) Though I would put it as "Ego" is th only thing that desires progress and becomes the cause for progress.

Ego is the cause for the existence :-) We are but a bubble, if water is the divinity ego is the air that gives us the identity - this was the theme of my last poem :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Iamim:

ego is the only way to progress in life..


That's true to achieve success in life. But if you want to progress spiritually, one has to run away from ego as faster as possible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4

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Iamim:




pranaam gurudev ..
Ekam sat, Vipra bahuda vadanti :-)
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Coming to ego.. a soul sans ego is as good as a dead rock.. talking of rocks.. we all know the ego of Vindhya parvatam.. so even rocks have ego it seems..

From a great sage to a puny XprickX.. everyone sermons about ego.. what they know not is that their very gratuitous sermon is based on ego.. a person who is ego less would never deem it fit to even open his mouth.. let alone sermon..

Our very Guru-Sishya parampara is based on pure ego model..

Every hierarchical system is based purely on ego..

Anyway.. ego is the only way to progress in life..
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Iamim:

Wisdom is experienced..




Curious - how ? we do not experience our wisdom - its just a state of being anukuntunna

Iamim:

there can never be fulfillment of either.. it is just an endless eternal quest...




Fulfilment is the state of no desire - there is no quest after that :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Knowledge is acquired..

Wisdom is experienced..

Since neither of them is finite.. there can never be fulfillment of either.. it is just an endless eternal quest...
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Kalikaalam:

vundatam kosam humility kaadu. humility anedi ade raavaali. Humility kaa kanapadatam..aa prayatnam cheyytam kudaa 'egosm' ye anukonta..




:-) Chala bagachepparu ... deeniki oka technical term undi spiritual philosophy lo "bulletproof ego" :-)

Nenu na ego ni conquer chesanu ane alochanalo "nenu" pradhanam - inka ekkada conquer ayyindi ego ?

Material egos shatter avutayi easy ga kani ee humility ego shatter avvadu ane bulletproof annaru :-)


Iamim:

Asalu manishiki humility undala??

Enduku undali??




Asalu how can you certify yourself as humble - only when you believe that though "you are superior " to others, but you are still acting with respect :-)
That to my mind is egoistic not humble :-)

So, my answer is no. Cultivate chesukovalsina avasaram ledu. As wisdom comes humility becomes second nature:-)


Iamim:

Knowledge is just a perception..
Evari perception valladi..




True and I will even say knowledge is just an acquisition of the mind..wisdom is the quality of the soul :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Iamim:

Knowledge is just a perception..




yaa .. nijame .. ippudippude ardam avutondi .. kikk
Ekam sat, Vipra bahuda vadanti :-)
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Okahyderabadi:

Ramayanam lo meeku Ishtamaina Khandam edi ?




Sundara Kandamu .. :-)
Ekam sat, Vipra bahuda vadanti :-)
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Ramayanam lo meeku Ishtamaina Khandam edi ?
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Getafix:

why does vibhishana joins Rama? I kind of remember that ravana banishes vibhishina because vibhishan praises rama? is that the only reason?




Vibhishana is always at odds with Ravana and he keeps advising him to do good deeds.

Ravanudu anitlo ati - shiva bhakti lo asamanyudu , veda shastralalo panditudu ayina weak link : ahamkaram due to his varamulu, anni nave ane bhavana.

Sita amma ni teesuka poyinappudu cheptadu idi manchi paddati kadu, amey loka poojaniyam, she is ikshvaku ramudi patni, she is loka mata and you have committed a great sin by this please return her to Rama ani. He understands Rama and the reason for his birth as he himself is a devotee of Sri Vishnu. All through the time Sita was in lanka he keeps advising Ravana to mend his ways and send back Sita and ask for forgiveness from Rama. Ravanudu as usual is so filled with ahamkaram he does not listen to it and banishes him from the kingdom. There is a very huge discussion this in yuddha khandam where he advises everybody to not have enemity with Rama.
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Getafix:

Ravana goes to seeta swayamvaram in mithila..




I think it is not in valmiki ramayanam. later somebody added I guess
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Iamim:

Yeah.. its part of Ramcharitmanas.. some say its Parvati.. another version says its Sati.. so Siva got angry with Sati.. She ended up in Daksha yagnam and was then born as Parvati..

Compared to Mahabharata.. Ramayana is much more popular and universal.. it can be found all over the world in many versions..

Valmiki mentions that Ahalya slept with Indra in full knowledge that he is Indra.. other versions say she was cheated..

Its advisable to read many versions and arrive at suitable conclusions..




tammi chana confused state la unnavu nuvvu, valmiki ramayanam ki ramcharitamanas ki link pettadu. Valmiki ramayanam is a contemporary work while Ramacharitamas was written way too later that too by a person who only picturised Ramayana as a bhakti kavyam.


valmikiramayan.net ni source ga chesukoni please dont quote verbatim from there

Valmiki ramayanam lo ekkada Ahalya telisi tappu chesindi ani ledu. Indrudu kapatam chesi Gautamudu vesham lo vachadu kabatti tanu mosapoyindi. That is the reason why gautama cursed her to become a stone because she should have recognized that he was not her husband which is why she was cursed by him otherwise she would be in the list of the pativratas along side Anasuya, arudhati, sita and others.

Shiva puranam lo ekkada Ramayanam lo Ramudi ni test chesinanduku Sati was cursed and she was reborn as Parvati ani ledu.

brief ga cheppali ante
Dakhsa prajapathi who is given the responsibility to govern the universe gives his daughter Sati in marriage to Shiva. When on one occasion all the gods go to Kailasam to visit Shiva Daksha accompanies them but Shiva does not stand up when he sees Daksha ( daksha thinks since he is now mama of Shiva he should be given respect). So he starts hating him and when Shiva gives abhayam to chandra from the curse of Daksha it became more personal. Sati devi yoga agni lo dahinchuku poyina taruvata jarigina vidvamsam taruvata shivudu meditation loki velli potadu for 1000's of years after which parvati is born to himavanta and performs tapassu to marry shiva.




Iamim:

Funny thing is that when Vali questions Rama about his fairness.. Rama replies that Vali is a beast and fit to be killed in any manner.. then he says that Vali did not follow Dharma.. mind blowing...




gnanam leni vadu pashuvu tho samanam ani dani artham. he explains that vali's reasoning that he is a vanara is not valid as he being son of indra, devotee of shiva and having studied the vedas, shastras and puranas has moved to a higher plane from a vanara and so he did not follow dharma when he did what he did.
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Mental_sachinodu:

surpanaka and her husband were banished from lanka by Ravana. she is living in the forests while she meets Rama. Surpanaka goes back to Ravana and praises Sita's beauty, praising Sita as a worthy wife for Ravana, and inciting him to abduct her by force and marry her.




If I recollect, Ravana goes to seeta swayamvaram in mithila.. akkade first defeat ramudi chethilo rvanudiki.. inka surpanaka cheppedi emundi seeta beauty gurinchi .. swayamvaam lo chuse untaduga seet ani ravanudu?
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Getafix:

If you take surpanaka episode
, Ravana coems across as a person who is fierecely protective of his brethren and sistren.. so just for praising rama , he banishes vibhisan just like that?




surpanaka and her husband were banished from lanka by Ravana. she is living in the forests while she meets Rama. Surpanaka goes back to Ravana and praises Sita's beauty, praising Sita as a worthy wife for Ravana, and inciting him to abduct her by force and marry her.

there is also a version in which surpanakha actually does all this out of hatred of Ravana, as he banished her husband out of Lanka. she realizes Rama is capable of defeating Ravana, and uses Sita to instigate Ravana.
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another question..

why does vibhishana joins Rama? I kind of remember that ravana banishes vibhishina because vibhishan praises rama? is that the only reason?

If you take surpanaka episode, Ravana coems across as a person who is fierecely protective of his brethren and sistren.. so just for praising rama , he banishes vibhisan just like that?
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Iamim:

Asalu manishiki humility undala??

Enduku undali??

Knowledge is just a perception..

Evari perception valladi..




You can get knowledge with effort but not wisdom.
You take care of yourself. Time takes care of everything.
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Getafix:

chaduvu manishiki humility nerputhundi anna guarantee ledu annai.




Vidya vinayam kosame annaru peddalu. Naaku sarigga gurthu ledu kaani Bheesmudu Santanudi daggaraku vaccahkaa knowledge test pedatadu (Maha bharat serial). appudu bheesudi chebutadu oka good answer. evarikaina gurtunte cheppandi.
You take care of yourself. Time takes care of everything.
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Whatever.. one must appreciate the honesty.. for recording such history replete with scandals..




I think they are working like doors with locks to hidden treasure. Not all people can pass through them. People with low mind stop at them and think only of these misdeeds without going further. Thats why they say Guru is needed to get you pass through this stuff.
You take care of yourself. Time takes care of everything.
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//humility undala?? //

vundatam kosam humility kaadu. humility anedi ade raavaali. Humility kaa kanapadatam..aa prayatnam cheyytam kudaa 'egosm' ye anukonta..
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Asalu manishiki humility undala??

Enduku undali??

Knowledge is just a perception..

Evari perception valladi..
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Kalikaalam:

chaalaa mandi Pujaarulu, aachaaryulu lo kudaa chusthaamu. Baagaa vedaalu, saastraalu chadivna tharuvaatha "maaku baagaa thelusu" ane kotha egoism develop ayyi..inkaa murkham gaa thayaaravuthaaru.

ante mana saasthraalu kudaa manaku yemi nerpalekapothunnaayi..ane kadaa??

Just criticise cheyyadaani ki adagtam ledu..naaku vunna genuine doubt




chaduvu manishiki humility nerputhundi anna guarantee ledu annai. mana purnalu kuda ive cheothunnai. Ravanudu maha shiva bhakthudu..great administrator kaani maha egoist kuda. Same quality almost all asuras lo untundi right from hiranyakashapa to duryodhana.. valla Ahambhavame valla pathananiki daari theesthundi anedi one of the basic learning point.
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//manam entha seppu.//

anduke venuka raajulu thapassu chesina, "vunantha sthithi pondina vaallu" anukonna vaalla ni mahaa mantrulu gaa pettukone vaallu anta. raaju ki bhuja balam ye kaani dra drushti vundadu kaabatii..yedi ayinaa nirnayam thisukone mundu vaari advise thsiukone vaallu anta.
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Kalikaalam:

manam "truth' ni thelusukonna vaallamu kaadu. "ide perfect' anukovadaaniki..




naaadi same feeling annai. darmam lo malli darma sooksmalu (subtle points) vuntayi. Only pure non-attached person can see the big picture and decide what is good, what is wrong to the whole society in a particular incident or behaviour or argument. anduke mana peddalu anni naake telusu ani virra veegoddu antaru entha manaki telisinaa koodaa. aa humility poyinappudu, freely falling body annattu.

Pedda pedda vaaalle edi dharmam ani telusukolekaa ibbandi paddaru. Ex. Amba issue between bhisma and parasurama.

manam entha seppu.
You take care of yourself. Time takes care of everything.
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//ultimate goal clear ga unte chaalu .. anni daaniki ave evolve avutu vastayi paristhithulu ..//

nenu kudaa ide dhairyam tho vunnaanu.
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Aadhyaathmikam ga aoka rakamaina confusion state lo vunnaanu nenu. yeppatiki bayata padathaano theliyadu..




Everyone on earth is in same state..
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Kalikaalam:

Aadhyaathmikam ga aoka rakamaina confusion state lo vunnaanu nenu. yeppatiki bayata padathaano theliyadu..




confusion deniki annai .. each moment is different .. and complex ..

alantappudu .. one formula cannot apply/solve all problems .. right? alantappudu .. we should be as dynamic as possible .. dhyanam chesi improve chesukogaliginavi dhyanam dwara saadhinchaali .. karma lu (actions/rituals/observations) dwara saadhinche vaatini ala saadhinchaali ..

ultimate goal clear ga unte chaalu .. anni daaniki ave evolve avutu vastayi paristhithulu ..
Ekam sat, Vipra bahuda vadanti :-)
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//meeku cheppe antati vaadini kadu .. aina try chesta .. //

Thappu. Vayssu ki gnaanam ki sambhandam ledu. Honest gaa cheppaalante..naa kante chinna vaalla daggare nenu yekkuva nerchu kontunnaanu.

//so society lo few bad apples ki eppudu aaskaram untundi //
correct ye.. kaani..yintha medhaavulu kudaa "maaya' ni jayinchlekapothunnaaru(anni grandhaalu chadivi kudaa). inka chaduvu kanaa practical gaa dhyaanam.., manalni manam observe chesukovadam lanti vi better yemo..ani sandeham kaluguthu vuntundi..

Aadhyaathmikam ga aoka rakamaina confusion state lo vunnaanu nenu. yeppatiki bayata padathaano theliyadu..
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Kalikaalam:

ante yi saashtraalu, puraanaalu kevalam pukkita puraanaalu gaa vunnaayi kaani, practical gaa levu ani ardham chesukovaalaa??




meeku cheppe antati vaadini kadu .. aina try chesta ..

prati manishi ki swardham anedi okati untundi .. aa puranaale aina .. cheppedi ade .. swardam (selfishness - ego combo) ni tyagam cheyyandi ani .. andariki anni velallo paatinchadam kudarakapovachu .. oka sari compromise aina vaadu .. later on .. chala sandarbhaallo compromise avutaru .. ade vignulu aithe compromise avvakunda situation ni ela deal cheyyalo choostaru .. avasaram aithe rules ni tyaagam (compromise) chese badulu .. swa-laabham ni tyagam (sacrifice) chestaru .. so society lo few bad apples ki eppudu aaskaram untundi .. vaallani choosi manam cheyyali anukunnadi cheyyapovadam tappu .. ninna oka video choostonte .. evaro cheptunnaru .. our life is like an arrow thats released the moment we are born ani .. its a straight on one-way .. so where you want to head, is totally in your hands .. alantappudu why take an example of arrows which are going waste???
Ekam sat, Vipra bahuda vadanti :-)
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"evariki suitable"




Jihva ko ruchi..

Purre ko buddhi..

Thats why some say..

Ramayanam Ranku..

Bharatham Bonku..

Whatever.. one must appreciate the honesty.. for recording such history replete with scandals.. one cannot hide behind time.. coz what was dharma then is dharma even today as India is the only continuous living civilization on Earth.. ultimate message is stay in the path of Dharma.. there is hope for those who go astray.. only God can save them...
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//Yeah.. its part of Ramcharitmanas.. //

problem Ikkade. original Raamaayanam ki yentha mandi yenni thagilinchaaro..

"Vemana padhya Rathnaakaram" ani maa intlo oka pusthkam vundedi. Daani introduction lo publishers chebuthaaru. "indulo motham 3,000 padhyaalu vunnaayi.Kaani anni vemana kavi raasinavi kaavu. Aayana mahaa rasthe 300 raasi vuntaaru. aayana peru mida kalpinchinavi chaalaa vunnaayi. yevariki yedannaa chepaali anupisthe vemana peru mida oka padhyam allevaaru...authenticity kosam. Kaani indulo yelaa filter chesi orginal padhyaalu pick cheyyaalo maaku ardham kaaledu. andu valana aayana peru mida chalamani lo vunna padhyaalu ani kalipi yi book lo vesaamu" ani cheppaaru.

Same thing with any other author/book.
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//Shiva and Vishu are always together for the sthithi and laya to maintain the balance of the world. Rama meditates on Siva's name and Siva meditates on Rama.//

idi kuda naaku doubt. "Dhyaanam" and "japam' and both have different meanigns anukontaa.. dhyaanam lo yedi leni sunya sthithi vuntundi. ante okari peru mida dhyaanam anedi right ye antaaraa?
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//edi dharmam, edi adharmam ani decide cheyyadaniki chala points teliyali annai. /

100% true. Anduke nenu yeppudu aa topic joli ki vellanu. mana ku thelisinathalo vaadisthaamu. manam "truth' ni thelusukonna vaallamu kaadu. "ide perfect' anukovadaaniki..
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chaalaa mandi Pujaarulu, aachaaryulu lo kudaa chusthaamu. Baagaa vedaalu, saastraalu chadivna tharuvaatha "maaku baagaa thelusu" ane kotha egoism develop ayyi..inkaa murkham gaa thayaaravuthaaru.

ante mana saasthraalu kudaa manaku yemi nerpalekapothunnaayi..ane kadaa??

Just criticise cheyyadaani ki adagtam ledu..naaku vunna genuine doubt..
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//chaduvu samskaram nerputhundhi ani guarantee ledu kadha bro.//

Adi potta kuti kosam chadive chaduvula ku varthisthundi. Example:MCA chadivithe computers nerputhaaru gaani, ethics nerparu kadaa?? kaani aslau dharma saasthraalu vunnade idi nerpadaaniki.

ante yi saashtraalu, puraanaalu kevalam pukkita puraanaalu gaa vunnaayi kaani, practical gaa levu ani ardham chesukovaalaa??
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Konth mandi guruvula chuttu kudaa ide type of people ni chusthaamu. Example:Ramana Maharshi. aayana aathma saakshaathkaaram pondina guruvu ane vishyam lo yevari ki anumaanam ledu. "Guru krupa vala saadhana lo manchi progress vasthundi" ane feeling chaalaa mandi ki vuntundi. kaani aayana chuttu vunde vaallu chese panula valla aayana chaalaa baadha padevaadu ani, konni sandharbhaallo kanniru pettukonna sanghatanalu vunnaayani chebuthaaru.

guruvu chuttu thiruguthunnaa, sacred books regular gaa chaduvthunaa..kudaa mana lo vunde durmaargapu lakshnaalu povadam ledu ani clear gaa thelusthondi. mari inkaa yi saashtraalu, puraanaala valana prayojanam yemiti??
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Kalikaalam:

Naaku ikkade oka doubt. inni saashtraalu, dharmaalu chadivna vaalle yi bad qualities ni avoid cheyyalekapoyaarante..inka viti ni chadavadam valana vupayogam ledu ani ardham avuthondi kadaa?? inkaa yendu ku chadavaalI manam??




chaduvu samskaram nerputhundhi ani guarantee ledu kadha bro.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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//Though by birth he is monkey he has all risen above his birth qualities and studied all the shastras and vedas. //

Naaku ikkade oka doubt. inni saashtraalu, dharmaalu chadivna vaalle yi bad qualities ni avoid cheyyalekapoyaarante..inka viti ni chadavadam valana vupayogam ledu ani ardham avuthondi kadaa?? inkaa yendu ku chadavaalI manam??
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Iamim:

Its advisable to read many versions and arrive at suitable conclusions..


"evariki suitable"
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Funny thing is that when Vali questions Rama about his fairness.. Rama replies that Vali is a beast and fit to be killed in any manner.. then he says that Vali did not follow Dharma.. mind blowing...
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I heard one story. When rama is searching for Sita just after she was taken away by Ravana, Parvathi maa tried to test Rama by assuming form of Sita. I think it is not part of Valmiki ramayana. Where is it mentioned?




Yeah.. its part of Ramcharitmanas.. some say its Parvati.. another version says its Sati.. so Siva got angry with Sati.. She ended up in Daksha yagnam and was then born as Parvati..

Compared to Mahabharata.. Ramayana is much more popular and universal.. it can be found all over the world in many versions..

Valmiki mentions that Ahalya slept with Indra in full knowledge that he is Indra.. other versions say she was cheated..

Its advisable to read many versions and arrive at suitable conclusions...
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Parthasaradhi:

I heard one story. When rama is searching for Sita just after she was taken away by Ravana, Parvathi maa tried to test Rama by assuming form of Sita. I think it is not part of Valmiki ramayana. Where is it mentioned?




tammi idi naku kooda kottadi, i did not read about this any where
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I heard one story. When rama is searching for Sita just after she was taken away by Ravana, Parvathi maa tried to test Rama by assuming form of Sita. I think it is not part of Valmiki ramayana. Where is it mentioned?
You take care of yourself. Time takes care of everything.
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Okahyderabadi:

Rama meditates on Siva's name and Siva meditates on Rama.




He particularly mentions Rama form of Vishnu although there are many. I heard that Shiva took immense pleasure serving Rama in the form of Hanuman. I thought there might be some reasons


Ishan:



It is not like a feeling towards a devotee. I think it is much more.
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Parthasaradhi:

Shiva and rama has special bond. Lord shiva likes Rama very much. Any one knows reasons of any sort?You take care of yourself. Time takes care of everything.




Shiva and Vishu are always together for the sthithi and laya to maintain the balance of the world. Rama meditates on Siva's name and Siva meditates on Rama.
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Parthasaradhi:

Any one knows reasons of any sort?


Because Rama was a great devotee of Shiva.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4

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Shiva and rama has special bond. Lord shiva likes Rama very much. Any one knows reasons of any sort?
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kamal thammud, i think nyayam anedi different context lo osthundi.. here the problem is what is right and what is not.




nenu kooda ade ga antunna .. meeru adigindi .. why did Rama kill Vali from back .. even if he did so .. he should have apologized for his "adharmam" annaru ..

nenu annadi .. "chettu chaatu nunchi champadam .. adharmam kaadu anyayam" ani cheptunna .. hence came nyayam into picture !!
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kamal thammud, i think nyayam anedi different context lo osthundi.. here the problem is what is right and what is not.
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Okahyderabadi:

the the crux of the whole thing, Vali is not 'just a monkey'. He is son of Indra,a great devotee of Shiva and has read all the shastras. Bramha vara prasadi, indrudu varam ichina necklace vesukoni he becomes all powerful and full of lust .He cannot claim he is just a monkey. Though by birth he is monkey he has all risen above his birth qualities and studied all the shastras and vedas.

1. Most important thing is Rama was protecting dharma, if Sugriva was in place of Vali he would have met the same fate

2. If Vali had come face to face with Rama he would have realized it was Avatara purusha and hence would have chosen not to fight him leading to Sri Rama's promise being unfulfilled. It is certainly not the case of early bird gets the worm




thanks brother.. now it makes sense. Obviously a learned monkey will not be monkey anymore...i mean atleast subject to vanara dharma.. So Vaali appatlone minority card use chesadu annamaata. No ownder we are continuing the same old trick even now.
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Guys why concentrate on things you dont like

Getafix:

dharmanni nilabettatniki adharmamina margam enchukunte ika dharmam ela nilabaduthundi?




edi dharmam, edi adharmam ani decide cheyyadaniki chala points teliyali annai.

Is it fair to ask a boon to get half strength of his enemy in the fight. Who can win such type of guy?

Are you supporting Vali taking his brother's wife? If you come across such a guy what would you do?
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Okahyderabadi:


the whole conversation, seems to me that rama is trying to defend himself.. he promised sugreeva to kill vaali and he kept that promise. Vali's arguemnts are convincing and what is dharma to rama is not dharma to monkeys.. very much fair.




the the crux of the whole thing, Vali is not 'just a monkey'. He is son of Indra,a great devotee of Shiva and has read all the shastras. Bramha vara prasadi, indrudu varam ichina necklace vesukoni he becomes all powerful and full of lust .He cannot claim he is just a monkey. Though by birth he is monkey he has all risen above his birth qualities and studied all the shastras and vedas.

1. Most important thing is Rama was protecting dharma, if Sugriva was in place of Vali he would have met the same fate

2. If Vali had come face to face with Rama he would have realized it was Avatara purusha and hence would have chosen not to fight him leading to Sri Rama's promise being unfulfilled. It is certainly not the case of early bird gets the worm
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dharmanni nilabettatniki adharmamina margam enchukunte ika dharmam ela nilabaduthundi?




margam adharmam enti? .. comedy ga

1) I think you are getting confused between .. dharmam and nyayam ..
2) Vali was an unusual being .. he had boons protecting him, even though he committed "adharma". To fight with him with "nyaya" .. Vali has to forego his boons that are protecting him and making him stronger, even in his acts of "adharma".

I think .. nyayam ga matladithe .. Rama should face vali and ask him for a fight .. but since for the reason that he has boons, he might seek mercy and his deserved punishment cannot be awarded and all .. (the reasons which Rama explained) .. what Rama did is the best to uphold "Dharma".
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dharmanni nilabettatniki adharmamina margam enchukunte ika dharmam ela nilabaduthundi?


ippudu right question adigaavu
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Kalikaalam:

Kaani ikkada "dharma' ni kaapaadatam anedi essence. chatta virudham gaa ayinaa sare..nithi ni, dharmaanni kaapaadatam..ikkada vudhesyam..

Intha kante..yi chinna burra tho cheppalenu..



thanks brother ..artham ayyindi. Kani naa question entante.. dharmanni nilabettatniki adharmamina margam enchukunte ika dharmam ela nilabaduthundi?
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Getafix:

early bird gets the worm policy.. sugreeva asked for rama's help first so he gets it.. seriously if this the explaination offered for vaali's killing then to me .. what rama has done is out of his line. Its a mistake anipisthundi.

Rama instead of defending himself should have asked for forgivness of vaali.. ala ayithe ramudi status inka perigedhi.



mama.evaru mundhu aduguthe valaki sahayam chesthadu ramudu ani kaadu daani bhavam..Vali adharma baata teesukunadu..Sugreevuduki anyayam jarigindhi..anduku sahayam chesadu..ramudu dharmam vaiou nilabaddadu..
ayithe aa dhramani ni parirakshinche prakriyalo donga chaatu ga champadu vali ni..mari adhi entha varaku nyayam ani niladeesinapudu appudu daaniki samadhanam ga chebuthadu enduku eduru padaledho..
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//Rama instead of defending himself should have asked for forgivness of vaali.. ala ayithe ramudi status inka perigedhi.//

Kaani ikkada "dharma' ni kaapaadatam anedi essence. chatta virudham gaa ayinaa sare..nithi ni, dharmaanni kaapaadatam..ikkada vudhesyam..

Intha kante..yi chinna burra tho cheppalenu..
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//Vali's arguemnts are convincing and what is dharma to rama is not dharma to monkeys.. very much fair.//

naaku kudaa inthaku mundu id feelign vundedi. kaani Rama's explanation chadivaaka.."ammo..chaalaa vundi..detailed gaa chadavaali" ane korika yekkuva avuthondi.
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Okahyderabadi:

When Sugriva fell at my feet and asked for protection, I pledged to kill anyone who was Sugriva's enemy. If I had faced you directly, you also might have asked for refuge and then what could I do? Icouldn't refuse you, but neither could I renege on my pledge to Sugriva.



early bird gets the worm policy.. sugreeva asked for rama's help first so he gets it.. seriously if this the explaination offered for vaali's killing then to me .. what rama has done is out of his line. Its a mistake anipisthundi.

Rama instead of defending himself should have asked for forgivness of vaali.. ala ayithe ramudi status inka perigedhi.
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Okahyderabadi:



the whole conversation, seems to me that rama is trying to defend himself.. he promised sugreeva to kill vaali and he kept that promise. Vali's arguemnts are convincing and what is dharma to rama is not dharma to monkeys.. very much fair.
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Okahyderabadi:




Vali maha balasali anedi proven

mullokalani gada gada ladinchina Ravanudi ni toka lo katti sapta samudralalo nadulalo munchettu tadu. He has the capability to fly along with Surya to all the corners of the world and perform Surya vandanam during the rising of Sun and return back to Kishkinda untired.

Then why did Rama not take Vali's help? simply because he was not following Dharma. Rama himself was a victim to his wife sita amma being abducted by Ravana and there is an echo in what Vali did to sugreeva. Rama is duty bound to protect dharma in his kingdom under which Kishkinda falls.

I will post in detail the translation of the conversation that happened between Rama and Vali


Rama shot an arrow that pierced Vali's chest and knocked him to the ground. Confused, Vali looked at the arrow and spoke."

Vali:
"Whose arrow is this? Whose could it be? Narayana's? No, he would never use deception to attack an enemy. Could it be Siva's arrow? It doesn't look like a trident, and besides he wouldn't shoot his own devotee. Maybe it's Indra's weapon, but he's my father and no father shoots his own son. It might be Murukan's spear, but he has nothing against me. Then, whose is it?

"Two letters I see: ra and ma. Rama! Can his arrow be the mantra of my death? Rama, come closer to me. You who support these many worlds with your compassion, you who are soft as a lotus, why did you shoot this arrow at me? There must be some reason, but I have never done anything against you. You are learned in the dharma of bowmanship, and this is not the first time you have used a bow, for you are the son of Dasaratha. Them why did you attack without cause? Explain."

Rama:
"The dharma of bowmanship, proper conduct, morality and such are matters unknown to you, animal. First, one must know brahman and that understanding is beyond you."

Vali:
"Rama, what you say may very well apply to the demons, especially to the one who ran off with your wife. But we are monkeys. Don't confuse the two categories."
Rama:
"Such disrespect is not proper, monkey! After all, I know that story about you—when you hurled the dead water buffalo Dundhubi into the sage's ashram. Like Ravana, you have harassed Brahmins and so, like Ravana, you are my foe. Thus, I had every right to—"

Vali:
"No. You erred by shooting an arrow at an innocent monkey. It was not me, but Ravana—that demon-raja luxuriating in his palace, in his countless halls of silver and gold and emerald, in his spacious rooms with high windows and ceilings and delicately carved pavilions—it was Ravana who abducted Sita. This arrow belongs in his chest, not mine! Not only that, but you hid behind a tree and shot at me, like some low-caste hunter! From behind a tree! What courage! Tell me, Rama, is your bow so weak that you must resort to deception?"

Rama:
"Listen, monkey, I acted to protect dharma. I lost my kingdom and my wife; and so when Sugriva told me he had lost them, too, I pledged to protect him. I had to fight you as I must fight all enemies of dharma."

Vali:
"And who are you to speak to me of dharma? Your act is a black mark on the solar dynasty. A dark, dark stain, Rama. Even the clear moon has a blemish in the center—everyone can see that—but you were born into the dynasty of the sun, that flawless sphere circling around Mr. Meru, Mr. Kailasa, Vaikunta, Brahma's heaven, around the fifty million yojanas of the earth's circumference in a chariot ninety million yojanas wide and fifty-one million yojanas long. And, now, that perfect orb has been scarred by your arrow!"

Rama:
"You speak wondrous words, Vali, but you understand nothing of dharma. Besides, what of your own actions in the past?

"When you failed to return from the cave where you battled Mayavi, Sugriva was saddened by your apparent death. Others tried to console him and urged him to accept the throne, which he did; and when you returned, victorious over Mayavi, Sugriva fell at your feet and begged for forgiveness, but he received god's grace, not yours. Instead you drove him away, took his wealth and wife, showing neither wisdom nor generosity, yet you presume to advise me on my conduct."

Vali:
"Rama, you simply don't understand us ...
"I see your point, Rama—you shot at me because I took my brother's wife—but that reasoning only shows your ignorance. Sugriva may have said that I committed wrongs against him and his wife, but among us monkeys there is no 'marriage' and no rule that we must 'marry' the women we sleep with. You are a human, a warrior, so you marry one woman, only one, whereas we wander in the forest looking for food, and if we want to, we have sex. That's all. What is right for you is not necessarily right for us."

Rama:
"Vali, dharma means—"

Vali:
"Can't you see, Rama, that there's no wrong in what I did? We monkeys are another, a lower type of being. Actually, I didn't sleep with Sugriva's wife because she's my sister; but even if I had, there would be no wrong in it. Judge your own, not us, Rama. "Rama, your women regard chastity as a virtue, while that just isn't so for us, even among royalty. Your people follow marriage rules, consult horoscopes and so forth, but we monkeys don't do anything like that. We make love when we feel like it—that's the essence of what I'm saying: we are different. Besides, as Visnu, you should show compassion."

Rama:
"Maybe all you say is true, Vali, but you are not an ordinary monkey. A devotee of Siva and son of Indra, you ought to follow the path of dharma, yet what you did with Sugriva and his kingdom does not befit a person of your noble background. And remember, even animals may win liberation. There's the story of the elephant Gajendra who won moksa, so your 'animal defense' is not valid." "Birds, too, may attain moksa. When Sita was carried off by Ravana, the eagle Jatayu heard her cries and knocked off Ravana's crown but lost his life because he told the truth while Ravana lied about the location of his life force.[8] In the end, however, he won liberation."

"Listen, Vali. Most important is knowing what is right and what is wrong, truth and untruth. Many beings in these worlds have this knowledge, and not all of them are humans; some are animals. And one more thing—evil may come from the gods, so don't think of yourself as an 'animal.' The law of karma is the same no matter what your birth: animal, Brahmin, Ksatriya, Vaisya, or Sudra. Good acts cause good, evil acts cause evil; and taking Sugriva's wife produced evil. Think before you act, especially in fights between brothers, and especially when women are involved—that's the most dangerous issue of all. That is the reason for your death, not my arrow."


Rama:
"Yes, but now explain your barbarous act, Rama. You speak of many things, of fight and wrong, that a Brahmin who does wrong is no better than an animal and that a righteous animal is equal to a Brahmin. Consider, then, your own actions. Born a prince, you were educated and became a wise person, a yogi; yet after studying all those sastras, you hid behind a tree and killed me, like an ill-bred hunter shooting a bird. Why did you do it? Answer me!"

Rama:
When Sugriva fell at my feet and asked for protection, I pledged to kill anyone who was Sugriva's enemy. If I had faced you directly, you also might have asked for refuge and then what could I do? Icouldn't refuse you, but neither could I renege on my pledge to Sugriva.

Rama: This whole bhoomi is in the control of Ikshvaku vamsa and your kingdom being part of it you cannot follow adharma and hence I have come to punish you and there is no sin in that

Vali:
You are the Lord of Dharma, while I ... I'm an imperfect being, a monkey, who has spoken thoughtlessly. Now I ask for a boon: liberate me from this body. I realize that this life is full of sorrow from the moment a child is conceived, from the second the seed enters the egg and becomes an embryo; then it grows and grows, suffering all the time, until the last month comes and it is separated from its mother's body. What pain when the cord is cut! Who can comfort the baby? And we go on living, dying, born again to live and die, endlessly. Karma causes all this, and karma is caused by good and evil acts, and those acts are caused by mental impressions, and they are caused by desires, which come from ignorance, ignorance of you, the eternal cause, the imperishable essence of the universe."




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ramayana , mahabharatam mana puranala gurinchi too much interest undi naku. i can post endlessly about it. I m glad to find somebody who is interested in it.}
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Kalikaalam:

ye maatram bhayam, baadha lekundaa cheppina vidhaanam gurthu ku vachindi.

chaalaa mandi vedantham books chadvuthaaree gaani, aaklimpu chesone vaallu chaalaa thakkuva..




Exactly. Reading is one thing understanding is another thing. People read so many philosophies only to get confused. I have seen people who are hopelessly confused....
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Kalikaalam:

Maa pedha naanna chanipoyaadu ani phone vachinappudu ide gurthuku vachindi. 97 years ki aayana chanipoyaadu. Appati ki 5 years mundu(nenu america vachetappudu) chusaanu. "aarogyam yelaa vundi?" ante 'naakemie..bemmandam gaa vundi?" annaadu. "Adenti? Mokaallu nppulu ani aachaari gaaru mandulu ichaaru anta kadaa?/" ante.. navvi.."92 yellu vachina sariraaniki aa maatram asoukaryam lekundaa yelaa vuntundi?? adi anaarogyam kaadu. daani saruku ayipoyindi..nidanaam gaa oka roju aagipothundi" ani ye maatram bhayam, baadha lekundaa cheppina vidhaanam gurthu ku vachindi.

chaalaa mandi vedantham books chadvuthaaree gaani, aaklimpu chesone vaallu chaalaa thakkuva..




exactly .. how many of us .. literates and educated can handle life with such maturity and simplicity .. probably, none of us! its altogether a different ball game,I feel!

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bro .. meeru nijam ga chaala baaga cheptunnaru .. hats off .. you are doing a gr8 job .. mee posts chadivithe .. bhale utsaham ga untondi !
Ekam sat, Vipra bahuda vadanti :-)
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sorry..for diverting topic. back to the topic..

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//super kada ..

maa taata gari padaka kurchi lo .. aaru bayata arugu meeda koorchuni .. ilanti books chaduvutonte .. bhale undedi .. pakkane gudi .. maa peratlo .. pedda kobbari chetlu .. poola mokkalu .. cool breeze in summer .. super setting adi .. miss those days ! //

Maa pedha naanna chanipoyaadu ani phone vachinappudu ide gurthuku vachindi. 97 years ki aayana chanipoyaadu. Appati ki 5 years mundu(nenu america vachetappudu) chusaanu. "aarogyam yelaa vundi?" ante 'naakemie..bemmandam gaa vundi?" annaadu. "Adenti? Mokaallu nppulu ani aachaari gaaru mandulu ichaaru anta kadaa?/" ante.. navvi.."92 yellu vachina sariraaniki aa maatram asoukaryam lekundaa yelaa vuntundi?? adi anaarogyam kaadu. daani saruku ayipoyindi..nidanaam gaa oka roju aagipothundi" ani ye maatram bhayam, baadha lekundaa cheppina vidhaanam gurthu ku vachindi.

chaalaa mandi vedantham books chadvuthaaree gaani, aaklimpu chesone vaallu chaalaa thakkuva..
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Getafix:

Angadudu gurinchi question undhi...

why did he choose to leave his father vali and stay with sugreeva?




Angada did not leave vali while he was alive, when vali is dying angada is made the yuvaraja.

Vali and Sugreeva as basically identical Sugreeva loves his brother very much and full of devotion to him. When the incident with mayavi happens and sugreeva believes Vali had died he reluctantly accepts the throne but Vali mistakenly kicks sugreeva out of his kingdom and grabs his wife sugreeva has no choice but to revolt against him. Sugreeva in fact cries when he sees his brother down.


Now There was a question about why Rama chose to support sugreeva instead of Vali who was more powerful and had already defeated Ravana once and why the lord had to resort to killing Vali from aside.

Sri Rama comes to know of the story about Sugriva and Vali through Hanuman. He promises Sugriva that he will kill Vali who was following adharma

following should be considered
1. He should treat his brother as a son and should have the magnanimity to excuse his mistakes.
2. Vali instead kicked him out and took his wife
3. Vali had committed indirect adharma to Rama so rama killed him indirectly
4. Vali had a boon from Brahma that who ever fights him will lose half of his strength if they come in front of him
5. If Sri Rama and vali had fought with each other and Vali had asked for Saranu then Sr Rama had to give him Saranu but he had already promised Sugriva that he would kill Vali and restore his kingdom and wife

lets examine each

Rama was referring to the dharma that showed that the elder brother should treat his younger brothers like son's and should take care of them.

Entire bharatavarsha was under the rule of Ikshvaku vamsa so Vali's kingdom was also under his rule and by not following Dharma Vali has directly committed an act against the King ( Rama)

Ravana when abducting sita amma flew over the kingdom of Kishkinda , Hanuman, sugriva and everybody saw it and yet being the king of the place vali did not do anything to stop this adharma. Jatayu who was no way related to this also tried his best to stop this adharma and was killed by Ravana.

Rama clearly explains to Vali in the Kishkinda khandam as to why he killed him even though they had no enmity directly. At the end Vali realizes that and asks for forgiveness and for moksha
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Kalikaalam:

Maa pedha naanna padaka kurchi lo kurchoni(aayana ku chaduvu raadu), maa vuri vysya aayana chetha Ampasayya mida vunna Bhishmudu Dharma raaju ki chesina hitha bodh(adoka 100 pages vundedi) chadivnhcone scdne naaku inkaa gurthu. madhya madhya lo maa pedha naanna questions aduguthunte..aa yanaku thochinathlao explain chese vaaru.




super kada ..

maa taata gari padaka kurchi lo .. aaru bayata arugu meeda koorchuni .. ilanti books chaduvutonte .. bhale undedi .. pakkane gudi .. maa peratlo .. pedda kobbari chetlu .. poola mokkalu .. cool breeze in summer .. super setting adi .. miss those days ! :-(
Ekam sat, Vipra bahuda vadanti :-)
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// katchitam ga dorukutayi //

Thanks. I hope so too. yi saari india trip lo idoka priority gaa pettukovaali anukonnaa..

Maa pedha naanna padaka kurchi lo kurchoni(aayana ku chaduvu raadu), maa vuri vysya aayana chetha Ampasayya mida vunna Bhishmudu Dharma raaju ki chesina hitha bodh(adoka 100 pages vundedi) chadivnhcone scdne naaku inkaa gurthu. madhya madhya lo maa pedha naanna questions aduguthunte..aa yanaku thochinathlao explain chese vaaru.
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Getafix:

shaminchey kamal thammud.. naak peddaga idea led.. krishnudu ki pillalu unnarani.


vaarini nannu demonise chestunnaru ga ikkada .. kiki .. nenu mimmalni emanna annai ? shaminchadaniki nenu edo pedda pudingi laaga nannu adugutunnara?
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Kalikaalam:

thanks Maama. nenu kudaa search chesthaa..




Rajamundry, Vijayawada lo .. chaala mandi ilanti books publish chesaaru annai .. naaku direct ga perlu gurtu ravatledu .. but aa printing press lu almost moothabade stage lo unnayi ani vinnanu .. oka vela Hyd lo dorakapoyina .. veelaithe .. Rajamundry, Vijayawada lanti places lo try cheyyandi .. temples lo unde book stalls lo akkada .. katchitam ga dorukutayi .. selling those last few prints !
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http://www.mahabharataonline.com/mahabharatam_in_telugu.php

idokati dorikindi. yelaa vundo theliyadu. work computer kadaa..download ki try cheyyaledu.
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//ya dorukutayi .. evening Gita Press site lo choosi .. link unte ista .. lekapoyina .. India lo aithe chaala mandi raasaru alanti books .. simple telugu lo ne .. (i mean gadhya roopam lo) .. Neelkamal lanti book stores lo, even Walden lo dorakachu !//

thanks Maama. nenu kudaa search chesthaa..
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Kamal:

Krishnudiki pillalu unnaru..



shaminchey kamal thammud.. naak peddaga idea led.. krishnudu ki pillalu unnarani.

iamim bedar. shivudik pillalu unnarani telsu.
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Kalikaalam:

Ramayanam and Mahbharatham simple telugu lo detailed gaa ippudu dorukuthundaa..??naa chinnappudu maa pedha naanna daggara "Baala Saraswathi book Depot" vaalal di mahaabharatham vundedi. 18 parvaalu 18 pusthakaalu. Kouravula(100 mandi vi) perlu anni kudaa vundi, vaala characetres kudaa explain chesi vundevi. antha detailed gaa ippudu vunnaayaa?? vunte perlu cheppandi..




ya dorukutayi .. evening Gita Press site lo choosi .. link unte ista .. lekapoyina .. India lo aithe chaala mandi raasaru alanti books .. simple telugu lo ne .. (i mean gadhya roopam lo) .. Neelkamal lanti book stores lo, even Walden lo dorakachu !
Ekam sat, Vipra bahuda vadanti :-)
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//Krishnudiki pillalu unnaru..//

Asandharbham ayinaa chebuthunnaanu.. krishnudu ki kora misaalu vundevi anta.. Ushasree gaaru cheppaaru oka saari. mahaBhaaratham lo ye sandarbham lo yi prasthaavan vachindi kudaa cheppaaru. ippudu gurthu ledu.
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anni posts chadavledu.

Ramayanam and Mahbharatham simple telugu lo detailed gaa ippudu dorukuthundaa..??naa chinnappudu maa pedha naanna daggara "Baala Saraswathi book Depot" vaalal di mahaabharatham vundedi. 18 parvaalu 18 pusthakaalu. Kouravula(100 mandi vi) perlu anni kudaa vundi, vaala characetres kudaa explain chesi vundevi. antha detailed gaa ippudu vunnaayaa?? vunte perlu cheppandi..
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aa Maha Sivudike pillalu unnaru..
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Krishnudiki pillalu unnaru..




exactly .. naaku ade mind dobbindi adi chadivaaka .. ! denemma .. naaku teliyani mythology intha unda ani .. !!!
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Krishnudiki pillalu unnaru..
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Getafix:

krishnudiki,venky ki pillal lru annattuga sadivina



correction.. chadavaled..vinnattuga gurthu.
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Mrhyderabad:

Interval tarvatha part (lava kusa) lo writer played a major role kadaa?

Sita ni forest lo nundi teesuku vachi tana aashram lo protection isthadu kadaa... till lava kusa are born.

How is that possible ani adugutunna



lava kusa episodes chala interesting twist ramayananiki.. idhi nijanga jariginda leka ramayanam just for audiences and commericial purposes ki mana modern authors create chesara annadi question..

if you take oher avataras of vishnu.. only rama has children.. krishnudiki,venky ki pillal lru annattuga sadivina.. so ee contect lo ramudu human kaatti pillalu kaligaru ani exception aa?
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Jalsa:

Sugreevudu ni avamaninchadaaniki chesaadu gaani


itta sette tappu leda?
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Sugreevudu ni avamaninchadaaniki chesaadu gaani, durudhesam (moju padi) tho chesukoledhu ga




watever .. adi tappu kada .. anduke siksha anubhavinchaadu

so neethi of the story enti ante .. satruvu meeda paga teerchune process lo or own goals achieve chese process lo .. dharmam tappaddu ani .. adanna maata neethi .. :D

Parthasaradhi:


To me .. that is evolution .. !



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Mrhyderabad:

Mrhyderabad:
Pakka thread lo vachina topic:

As per OkaHyd Ramayanam happened around 7300 BC

Valmiki lived on earth around 400 BC

So there is a difference of 7000 years.

How is it possible?




valmiki lived in 400BC ane vaalu ramayanam happened around 500BC antaru...7000BC timline anedho astrnomically based..aa lekkana choosthe I'm sure valmiki kooda around 6000BC timeki vasthadu
inthaka mundu nenu tikamaka padetodini ee timelines meedha...
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Kamal:

neat ga emi cheppakarledu annai



:D

Sugreevudu ni avamaninchadaaniki chesaadu gaani, durudhesam (moju padi) tho chesukoledhu ga
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Jalsa:


adi first half Interval tarvatha part (lava kusa) lo writer played a major role kadaa?

Sita ni forest lo nundi teesuku vachi tana aashram lo protection isthadu kadaa... till lava kusa are born.

How is that possible ani adugutunna
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Jalsa:

Ala velli poyaaka, Vaali started taking care of Sugreeva's wife aa?




taking care antha neat ga emi cheppakarledu annai :D .. even she wants to leave the kingdom and be with Sugreeva, while Vali does not allow her to go .. to humiliate Sugreeva !
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Jalsa:

leka divya drushti tho choosi raasaaara?




I think, this is correct .. but my knowledge is limited .. so experts vachi cheptaru migitaadi !
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Kamal, so after losing the battle Sugreeva ran away fearing death from Vaali. Ala velli poyaaka, Vaali started taking care of Sugreeva's wife aa?
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Jalsa:

Valmiki motham Ramayanam choosaara? leka divya drushti tho choosi raasaaara?
Because, indhaaka pakka thread lo Hanumanthudu Lanka ki prayanam ayye scene description lo chaala details ichaaru kadhaa...so asking.





Mrhyderabad:

Pakka thread lo vachina topic:

As per OkaHyd Ramayanam happened around 7300 BC

Valmiki lived on earth around 400 BC

So there is a difference of 7000 years.

How is it possible?


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Pakka thread lo vachina topic:

As per OkaHyd Ramayanam happened around 7300 BC

Valmiki lived on earth around 400 BC

So there is a difference of 7000 years.

How is it possible?
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Jalsa:

Thank you bro. Mari kingdom is rightfully Vaali's kadha? Kamal tamud emo maradhalu ni thana daggarey uncheskunnadu antadu?




wait .. wait .. kingdom rightfully Vaali de .. and Sugreevudu kooda anavasaram ga fight cheddaam antadu ... even though he knows that vali ki .. avatala vaadi balam sagam laagesukune varam undi ani .. kaani .. Sugreevudi wife ni Vaali laakkuntadu fight lo odipoyaaka .. which is wrong ! idi antha aayana cheppina daaniki continuation annamaata ..
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Jalsa:

Kamal tamud emo maradhalu ni thana daggarey uncheskunnadu antadu?




that is part 2. After returning to kingdom, Vali throws out Sugreeva and chases him all around the earth to kill him. Vali keeps Sugreeva's wife with him. so ...
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Valmiki motham Ramayanam choosaara? leka divya drushti tho choosi raasaaara?
Because, indhaaka pakka thread lo Hanumanthudu Lanka ki prayanam ayye scene description lo chaala details ichaaru kadhaa...so asking.
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Iamim:

Actually Valis killing was justified throught convoluted circumvented logic.. that Vali did not follow sastras and dharma by keeping Sugreevas wife.. but.. thing is these dharmas are only just Arya Dharmas.. not even followed by non-Arya manavas.. forget Vanaras...




Nenu anukunedi.. Ramudu pure mohamatam thoni vaali ni champi untdani as sugreev promises to help him in the search of seeta.. rama obliged to kill vaali. anthak minchi reasoning ledu.. a very glaring mistake on part of rama there..

anduke dwaparam lo krishnudu boyavaadi chethilo chachi prayaschittham chesukuntadu.
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Parthasaradhi:

okadu vachi Vali ni challenge chestadu. Vaali bayataku vastunte sugreevudu koodaa vastadu. iddarito kastam ani vaadu running. Vali chase cheste vaadu oka guha loki [pothadu. Vaali sugreevunni guha entrance daggara kapala petti lopaliti velthadu fighting ki. one month ayina emi updates vundavu. taruvatha blood vastundi entrance ki. vaali chachi poyadanukoni entrace close chestadu sugreevudu. intiki vaste king ni chestaru. konnallaki Vali vachi bayataki gentestadu. ala start avuddi.




Thank you bro. Mari kingdom is rightfully Vaali's kadha? Kamal tamud emo maradhalu ni thana daggarey uncheskunnadu antadu?
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Iamim:

thing is these dharmas are only just Arya Dharmas.. not even followed by non-Arya manavas.. forget Vanaras...




any proof for this ??? or as usual ...
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Iamim:

Why did he underestimate his brother??

Why did he not double confirm??




He did not know at that time it was underestimation. He estimated something and moved accordingly.

He felt that the other guy would kill him after killing his brother if he stays there.
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Actually Valis killing was justified throught convoluted circumvented logic.. that Vali did not follow sastras and dharma by keeping Sugreevas wife.. but.. thing is these dharmas are only just Arya Dharmas.. not even followed by non-Arya manavas.. forget Vanaras...
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Iamim:

Why did he underestimate his brother??



may be due to jealousy?

it is said that sugreev and vaali look alike but vaali is stronger than sugreev.. so probably sugreev subconscious ga jealous ayyuntad..

leda sugreevudu thondarapadi untadu..
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taruvatha blood vastundi entrance ki. vaali chachi poyadanukoni entrace close chestadu sugreevudu. intiki vaste king ni chestaru. konnallaki Vali vachi bayataki gentestadu. ala start avuddi.




Sugreevudidi tappakuna tappe.. here we have to doubt the character of Sugreeva..

Why did he underestimate his brother??

Why did he not double confirm??
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Iamim:

Evari sastralu??

Manushula sastralu Vanarulaki varthinchav...




poni .. vaanarula sastrale anukondi .. emundi andulo .. Vali avi tappadu .. end result .. its there for all to see .. simple
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Kamal:

To me .. that is hypocrisy .. !




To me .. that is evolution .. !
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Iamim:

Anyway.. faction politics were rare in those times.. after Jarasandha was killed his Son was crowned as King by Krishna.. his son did not have any hard feelings towards Bheema.. those with hard feelings fail in politics...



vali cheppinanduku angadudu, ramudini anthala serve chesadu ante just amazing.No wonder we find it very hard to believe ramayana.
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Jalsa:

asalu Vaali ki Sugreevudu ki y fight ya?




okadu vachi Vali ni challenge chestadu. Vaali bayataku vastunte sugreevudu koodaa vastadu. iddarito kastam ani vaadu running. Vali chase cheste vaadu oka guha loki [pothadu. Vaali sugreevunni guha entrance daggara kapala petti lopaliti velthadu fighting ki. one month ayina emi updates vundavu. taruvatha blood vastundi entrance ki. vaali chachi poyadanukoni entrace close chestadu sugreevudu. intiki vaste king ni chestaru. konnallaki Vali vachi bayataki gentestadu. ala start avuddi.
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Maradali ni koothuru ga bhavinchamani sastralu ghosistunnayi ..




Evari sastralu??

Manushula sastralu Vanarulaki varthinchav...
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thanks. so angad never feels vengeful on rama as rama killed his father. strange.. was there anything mentioned in valmiki ramayana about angad's feelings right after his father's death?




Before dying Vali tells Angada to serve Sugreeva faithfully..

Anyway.. faction politics were rare in those times.. after Jarasandha was killed his Son was crowned as King by Krishna.. his son did not have any hard feelings towards Bheema.. those with hard feelings fail in politics...
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Parthasaradhi:

Thats OK if we like his ideas and unable to follow because it is too hard for us.




To me .. that is hypocrisy .. ! :D
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Kamal:

kiki .. none




Thats OK if we like his ideas and unable to follow because it is too hard for us. But hating him is on different level. thats what i am stressing on.
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Jalsa:

asalu Vaali ki Sugreevudu ki y fight ya?




ye charitra choosina emunnadi garvakaaranam ani ..

as usual .. rajya kaanksha .. Sugreevudi kingdom ni kottesi .. Sugreevudi wife (Ruma) ni tana daggara unchesukunnadu Vali .. Maradali ni koothuru ga bhavinchamani sastralu ghosistunnayi .. enni sarlu chance ichina Vali maraledu .. end result .. gone with the wind .. :D
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asalu Vaali ki Sugreevudu ki y fight ya?
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Parthasaradhi:

How many people in India are following Gandhi?




kiki .. none

Parthasaradhi:

Not I can heard of. Infact he was a great devotee of Rama. He praises Rama in front of Ravana just before starting of war. He leads vanara batch to south side and ready to die because they could not find Sita.




Thats correct!
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Getafix:

thanks. so angad never feels vengeful on rama as rama killed his father. strange.. was there anything mentioned in valmiki ramayana about angad's feelings right after his father's death?




That's very nice question.

Not I can heard of. Infact he was a great devotee of Rama. He praises Rama in front of Ravana just before starting of war. He leads vanara batch to south side and ready to die because they could not find Sita.
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Iamim:




thanks. so angad never feels vengeful on rama as rama killed his father. strange.. was there anything mentioned in valmiki ramayana about angad's feelings right after his father's death?
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Kamal bro they respect Gandhi. thats good enough for foreign people. Following is altogether a different matter. Because it needs lot of strength. How many people in India are following Gandhi? We made him Jatipita and get holiday on oct 2. Othethan that are we doing anything more in india than west.
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Iamim:

Good joke yaar.. DB topic petti Ramayanam meeda discuss chesthene tattukolekapotunnaru.. Anand Ishan lanti vallani thread ninchi tarimeseru... inka colleges lo petti.. feminist students doubts.. commie lecturers clarifications.. Shiv sena.. Sri Rama sena objections.. campus mottam campfire kinda tayarauthai...




annai.. tarimesedi emundi..they chose to stay out. Everybody will have opinions kada. So kurrol kondar ramayanam anagane blood boil chesukuntaru..ignore chesi mana disco manam cheyyatame.

Public opinion ki bhayapadi research cheyakudadu ante too much. Kamal thammud siggy lo undhi ga truth prevails ani.. majority of public will eventually learn to accept the facts anukuntunna as we move on..
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Iamim:

Good joke yaar.. DB topic petti Ramayanam meeda discuss chesthene tattukolekapotunnaru.. Anand Ishan lanti vallani thread ninchi tarimeseru...




again twisting .. evaru tarimesaaru .. comedy kakapothe .. go to that thread and come back with posts where they reflect what you said .. enduku leni poni abhandaalu .. mere mortals ki .. chinna chinna retorts istene tattukolekapothe .. immortal Gods ni anenduku hakku evarichaaru? logic ee ga? :D

Iamim:

inka colleges lo petti.. feminist students doubts.. commie lecturers clarifications.. Shiv sena.. Sri Rama sena objections.. campus mottam campfire kinda tayarauthai...


again .. assumptions .. based on false info ! kaanivvandi ..
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why did he choose to leave his father vali and stay with sugreeva?




he never left his parents. Vali himself arranges Sugreva as Angada's caretaker. Rama also assures him of Angada's safety.
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really.. as per my memory of ramanand sagar's ramayan goes, angad chooses to live with sugreeva on some mountain.




Many vanaras.. not Angada..
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Getafix:

Also mana literature chalavaraku not validated as per international stds.. mana desam lo historians ye pattinchukoru mana puranala gurinchi..All major institution lo art departments near to closure condition lo unnai.. unless manam oka stage varaku research chesi mana puranala gurinchi telsukunte kaani bayata vaadu ochi existing work meeda expand cheyagalguthadu.




ide reason .. aa international standard ante enti? till the day India cares about itself .. we will be rotting like this ... japanese, chinese, greek, French, Germans .. veellu .. they do not care what US, UK dictate and follow .. kanisam kontha varaku aina .. anduke vaalla language, vaalla culture ni .. vaalla identity ni nilupukuntunnaru .. I think when India can do the same .. the better ..

Getafix:

angadudu gurinchi question esina.. if you know answer it plz.




nenu chadivinanta varaku .. Angada stays with Vali till Vali is killed and when Vali is on the verge of death .. Sugreeva promises that he will treat his "Vadina" and Angada fairly and respectfully according to dharma .. also after Sugreeva .. Yuvaraj Angada becomes the Raj ! mari meeru anedi nenu eppudu chadavaledu !
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Good joke yaar.. DB topic petti Ramayanam meeda discuss chesthene tattukolekapotunnaru.. Anand Ishan lanti vallani thread ninchi tarimeseru... inka colleges lo petti.. feminist students doubts.. commie lecturers clarifications.. Shiv sena.. Sri Rama sena objections.. campus mottam campfire kinda tayarauthai...
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Iamim:

it seems Hanuman flew to East and then turned to South..




east side ki tirigi pray sesi, south ki prayanam anukontaa
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Iamim:

Dont think so.. he was with his parents...



really.. as per my memory of ramanand sagar's ramayan goes, angad chooses to live with sugreeva on some mountain.
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Mrhyderabad:

The direction that Ramayana provides must have been appropriate and possibly correct during its time. But the problem comes when someone tries to follow it to the T in today's world.
Yuga Dharmam ante ide emo




Actually it is the other way around. Ramayana is applicable as long as humanity exist. this is not my feeling; it is Creator Brahma's word.

If you get the gist of Ramayana, you can apply it and follow it all the time. Just because you can not understand the logic in Rama expelling Sita, you need not omit entire ramayana itself. You can leave that part and show the world a better path.

The problem is people read incidents in the Ramayana but dont get the meaning behind them because they dont read completely leaving aside their prejudices.
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Kamal:

but Mahabharata, Krishna, Gita gurinchi aithe vinnanu !



angadudu gurinchi question esina.. if you know answer it plz.

IIMA lanti insittutes lo sare nen antunnadi migitha biz school lo kuda set chesthe baguntadi ani.. ofcourse ala jaragadaniki accessibility kavali. Also mana literature chalavaraku not validated as per international stds.. mana desam lo historians ye pattinchukoru mana puranala gurinchi..All major institution lo art departments near to closure condition lo unnai.. unless manam oka stage varaku research chesi mana puranala gurinchi telsukunte kaani bayata vaadu ochi existing work meeda expand cheyagalguthadu.
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Parthasaradhi:

They respect Gandhi who is a product and Ramayana and Gita




It is how you see it .. In my view .. they make a bunny out of Gandhi and his views .. terming them .. out of sync with current generation etc .. MLK, Mandela lanti 1, 2 people ki choice leka Gandhi ni follow aithe .. Choice unna hundreds of situation lo .. Gandhi ni kanisam talachukoru .. I have a feeling .. the west's admiration for Gandhi is mere posture and nothing sincere ! anthenduku Obum gaadu .. Gandhi adi .. Gandhi idi ani cheptunnadu .. mari .. aa range lo ahimsa paatinchachu ga .. country policy lo .. praising Gandhi is a fashion .. having said that .. I respect the west because .. they are doing what makes their society safer .. maatalaki Gandhi ni vaadukuni .. chetalaki vachesariki viruddam ga chestaru ! kikk
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why did he choose to leave his father vali and stay with sugreeva?




Dont think so.. he was with his parents...
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Ramayana reflects Hindu ethos ! now .. in the west, common public have a low view of the way Hindu way of life is conservative and dictates moral superiority to the society .. it is opposite to their way of living !




They can not have low view on Ramayana itself. Thats why I said they can omit hindu stuff and follow good points they like. They respect Gandhi who is a product and Ramayana and Gita
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nakanipisthadi , business schools, ramudi gurinchi ok case study ettali ethics curriculum lo ani.. I think, his leadership and the situations that confronted rama and the decisions he made and serve as good learning points especially for corporate leaders.




I think undi anukunta bro .. atleast IIMA lanti institutes lo .. mari Ramayana, Rama gurinchi undo ledo sarigga gurtu ledu .. but Mahabharata, Krishna, Gita gurinchi aithe vinnanu !
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no doubt Ramayana is a superlative classic, an epic that will stand the test of time !



nakanipisthadi , business schools, ramudi gurinchi ok case study ettali ethics curriculum lo ani.. I think, his leadership and the situations that confronted rama and the decisions he made and serve as good learning points especially for corporate leaders.
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Iamim:

it seems Hanuman flew to East and then turned to South.. BTW.. many islands in south of India in Indian ocean.. Diego Garcia.. Mauritius.. Madagascar..




maastaru .. direct ga dakshina disa gaa ne payaninchaadu ..

btw .. meeru list chesina islands annitiki .. west ki velli .. south ki vellali .. not east .. :D
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Since one should not travel south.. it seems Hanuman flew to East and then turned to South.. BTW.. many islands in south of India in Indian ocean.. Diego Garcia.. Mauritius.. Madagascar.. even Antarctica...
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Parthasaradhi:

Ramayana is like a compass to show direction.


The direction that Ramayana provides must have been appropriate and possibly correct during its time. But the problem comes when someone tries to follow it to the T in today's world.

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Angadudu gurinchi question undhi...

why did he choose to leave his father vali and stay with sugreeva?
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Naaku telisina answers cheptanu

Parthasaradhi:

Why people have hard time accepting Ramayana and its characters?


Ramayana reflects Hindu ethos ! now .. in the west, common public have a low view of the way Hindu way of life is conservative and dictates moral superiority to the society .. it is opposite to their way of living !

Parthasaradhi:

What harm did it cause to humanity all through history?


I do not know of any harm it did .. unlike a Bible .. which made Xians kill millions of Muslims and Pagans ! unlike Koran, which cleansed parts of the world !!!

Parthasaradhi:

Atheists and people belonging to other religions should read and change their way of thinking by omitting stuff related to Hinduism.

Ramayana is like a compass to show direction. If we don't want to use compass to get the direction in the ocean, it is just our foolishness and arrogance.

Any person who opposes ramayana and rama is not a human at all, in my opinion. Because it is a light to humanity.




excellent .. 5 stars !
Ekam sat, Vipra bahuda vadanti :-)
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Why people have hard time accepting Ramayana and its characters? What harm did it cause to humanity all through history? Even if you see it as a moral story, this should be studied and followed all the time to our best ability.

Atheists and people belonging to other religions should read and change their way of thinking by omitting stuff related to Hinduism.

Ramayana is like a compass to show direction. If we don't want to use compass to get the direction in the ocean, it is just our foolishness and arrogance.

Any person who opposes ramayana and rama is not a human at all, in my opinion. Because it is a light to humanity.
You take care of yourself. Time takes care of everything.
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Vjavasi:

brother....kalyanraman boulders 7300BC date chesaaru ani cheppada...rocks date cheyyatam possible kadhu ani vinnatu gurthu...also ravana lanka 100 (800 miles) yojanas dooralo vundaali kadha...mari ippati srilanka emo rameshwaram nunchi 40 miles maatrame vundhi....konni theories prakaram ravana lanka india australia madhyalo vundedhi ani....taravatha munigipoyindhi ani....nenu one year back rameshwaram nunchi techina 15kg floating rock video choosa adhi ippudu search chestunte kanipinchatledhu...but ee article dorikindhi...




idi correcte anukunta .. maa amma cheppedi chinnappudu .. 100 yojanaalu egiri vellagalige sakthi iddarike undi .. Hanumanthudu .. Angadudu ani .. taravata Sundarakanda chaduvutunnappudu .. the way Valmiki describes the journey is excellent .. wow anipinchedi ..

I specially like the way Valmiki describes the launching of Hanuman to Lanka .. oka Konda meeda nilabadi .. chaati nindaa oopiri teesukuni .. kaalla tho gatti ga bhoomi ni adimi patti egirithe .. konda mottam pindi aipoyindata .. aa konda meeda nunchi .. pakshulu okka saare pralayam vachindemo ani egiripotaayata .. snakes, wild animals anni okka saari active ayyipoyaayi .. aa aranyam mottam simhaala bheekara arupulu .. wow .. aa description gurtu techukuntene adbhutam ga undi ..

alage aa konda meeda unna lathalu (creepers) Hanumantudi kaali chuttukunnayata .. and when he launches himself into the air .. aa force ki okkokkati ga raalipothe .. he describes those falling flowers as "kanneeru" from the eyes of relatives/friends .. when a person is leaving for long journey .. wow .. super asalu .. chinna pillalu chadivithe .. bhale excite avutaaaru ..

Sorry digress ayinanduku .. post chadava gaane .. Sundarakaanda gurtu vachindi !

no doubt Ramayana is a superlative classic, an epic that will stand the test of time ! :-)
Ekam sat, Vipra bahuda vadanti :-)
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Expect cheyaledu thread archive avutundi ani,


Kamal:




Discovering the truth should be the aim of anybody and everybody. To discover truth, you should have an idea about, what truth is! But since no body ever knows what and how the destination is, unless a journey is made, people try and emulate the people who have already discovered the truth/completed the journey. So, the first step is to identify the truth, once it is done, the rest of the journey will be charted out if we have the will and energy to travel !

Truth is unique. The experiments/ways to discover truth might be/can be different, but ultimately truth, at which we arrive, is unique.

Ekam sat, Viprah bahuda vadanti :-)


nijam cheppinav tammi,



Vjavasi:



brother....kalyanraman boulders 7300BC date chesaaru ani cheppada...rocks date cheyyatam possible kadhu ani vinnatu gurthu...also ravana lanka 100 (800 miles) yojanas dooralo vundaali kadha...mari ippati srilanka emo rameshwaram nunchi 40 miles maatrame vundhi....konni theories prakaram ravana lanka india australia madhyalo vundedhi ani....taravatha munigipoyindhi ani....nenu one year back rameshwaram nunchi techina 15kg floating rock video choosa adhi ippudu search chestunte kanipinchatledhu...but ee article dorikindhi...

tammi, manchi point nuvvu cheppindi, rocks ni date cheyachu but meeru annattu avi konni million years vi ayi undavachu but exogenous and ingenous ki difference untadi kada. Exogenous ante aa prantaniki native kanidi ani artham, ante vere ekkadi nundo vachindi akkadiki.

Nuvvu cheppina point 100 yojanas manchi point, let us try to find answers to that. valmiki ramayanam prakaram he mentions Hanuman saw 8 constellations of stars during his flight to lanka and it took him 4 hrs to get there. normal ga avaraina 6 constellations choodagalaru oka time lo but since he was flying he could watch that extra 2 constellations at the change at 2hrs time ani.

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