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     Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7392 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 71.239.184.202 Rating: |
Discovering the truth should be the aim of anybody and everybody. To discover truth, you should have an idea about, what truth is! But since no body ever knows what and how the destination is, unless a journey is made, people try and emulate the people who have already discovered the truth/completed the journey. So, the first step is to identify the truth, once it is done, the rest of the journey will be charted out if we have the will and energy to travel ! Truth is unique. The experiments/ways to discover truth might be/can be different, but ultimately truth, at which we arrive, is unique. Ekam sat, Viprah bahuda vadanti  Ekam sat, Vipra bahuda vadanti | ||
| Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1715 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 59.93.69.152 Rating: |
brother....kalyanraman boulders 7300BC date chesaaru ani cheppada...rocks date cheyyatam possible kadhu ani vinnatu gurthu...also ravana lanka 100 (800 miles) yojanas dooralo vundaali kadha...mari ippati srilanka emo rameshwaram nunchi 40 miles maatrame vundhi....konni theories prakaram ravana lanka india australia madhyalo vundedhi ani....taravatha munigipoyindhi ani....nenu one year back rameshwaram nunchi techina 15kg floating rock video choosa adhi ippudu search chestunte kanipinchatledhu...but ee article dorikindhi... http://www.hvk.org/articles/1007/18.html | ||
| Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1714 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 59.93.69.152 Rating: |
I never said my approach is the only right one .... just presented what many wise people said on the subject.....i respect the right of every person to have their own opinion because god himself gave that freedom but i don't personally believe everybody is right on everything just because they have a opinion....god gave freedom of opinion and action to everyone but i think in different ways he also made it clear what is truth and what is not...what path to follow and what should be avoided....we definitely have freedom to choose..... | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1013 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: |
here is a pdf version of the slides presented with some evidence for Rama setu. I have uploaded it to this site and sharing it here. http://www.mediafire.com/file/tvz2mi1iinl/ramasetu-22835.pdf Anand_n chelle, lets hope we the truth whatever it is comes out one day. As kamal tammi's signature says Ekam sat Viprah bahuda vadanti, truth is one there are many ways to reach it or see it. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6676 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: |
Mee flow lo kannivvandi Even the day I find out all the answers I do not think I will be in a position to make a claim that my approach/attitude is the only right one
I am sorry, lost interest in discussing this here You all continue aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ruj Junior Artist Username: Ruj Post Number: 750 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 24.118.242.233 Rating: |
interesting annai..last question in that interview.. Was the Geological Survey of India not asked to do a study on this project? No. Nobody has carried out any survey at all. We only did a survey to locate the alignment. So, but what is needed is a comprehensive study. ""What has been formed over centuries by nature cannot be disturbed. In foreign countries, even a hundred-year-old structure is preserved and this looks like it is thousands of years old. No doubt such a canal is essential but not at the cost of nature. We are definitely for progress but our progress should be sustainable. "" Hope they stop sethusamudram shipping project  | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1012 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: |
Link lo Dr Kalyanasundaram garu ichina interview chadavandi , i am giving some excerpts here. As a geologist who has done studies on the geological aspects of the area where Sethu Samudram Canal Project is being undertaken, Dr.Badrinarayanan puts forth some interesting findings on the area in an interview to Shobha Warrier. As a geologist, how do you describe Ram Sethu? Is it a man-made structure or natural formation? It is not a natural formation; the top portion of it appears to be a man-made structure. To understand what I am saying from the geological point of view, you have to get to know several things. What is known as Adam’s Bridge is originally a natural grade divide separating the Bay of Bengal and the Indian Ocean to the south. So, the geological aspects are different on either side. About 18,000 years ago, we had Ice age when the sea level was lower by 130 metres than what it is now. Due to de-glaciation, the sea level rose. Around 7,300 years back, there was major flooding and the sea level rose to 4 metres more than what it is today. This has been verified by several researchers throughout the world. But the bridge that connects India and Sri Lanka is different; it is not just a sand dune. Any startling revelations? When we reached near Adam’s Bridge, there was sudden rise in the land level. From about 10-12 metre, it rose one metre to half a metre. So, our vessel could not go and survey the area. In some areas, we did survey using small boats. The northern side of Adam’s Bridge is the rough Palk Bay, which is prone to periodic cyclonic storms, and the tranquil southern side is the Gulf of Mannar, which is unpolluted and pristine. Corals grew in the tranquil Gulf of Mannar but not in the turbulent Palk Bay as they grow only in tranquil waters. There are about 21 islands full of corals in the Gulf of Mannar side but not even a single coral on the northern side of Adam’s Bridge. I would say no proper geological survey was done in the area. Normally before any major engineering project, GSI conducts engineering geological study, geological study, geo tectonic study, seismic study, etc so that we will know whether the project is safe or not. You mean no such studies were done before this project? Earlier, GSI had done some drilling but only at the deeper level of about 180-200 metres, but they have not mentioned anything about what was happening at the top portion. We did a study from NIOT on our own connecting between Rameswaram and the international waters. We did around 10 bore holes along the Adam’s Bridge alignment. Four of the bore holes were along the islands (where sands go on shifting) and six in the water. Everywhere, after top 6 metres, we found marine sands on top and below that was a mixed assemblage of corals, calcareous sand stones, and boulder like materials. Surprisingly below that up to 4-5 metres, again we found loose sand and after that, hard formations were there. How old were the boulders? I told you earlier that 7,300 years ago, sea level was 4 metres above what it is today. In Rameswaram, Pamban, Tuticorin, etc, we see old corals on the land, and they are not raised by any geological process. It happened because sea level was higher (at the time they were formed). We did dating on them and found that they are 7,300 years old. From 7,300 to 5,800 years ago, the sea level was high. From 5,800 to 5,400 years ago, the sea level was low. Again, from 5,400 to 4,000, the sea level was higher by 2 metres than what it is today. That is why we are getting two sets of corals at two levels. Dr P K Bannerji has carried out a lot of studies on the raised corals and his papers have appeared in reputed international scientific journals. His arguments are backed by very good scientific data. So, either between 5,800 to 5,400 years ago, or (some time since) 4,000 years ago, somebody appeared to have brought all the boulders and dumped them there. All the aerial pictures show that Adam’s Bridge is 2 to 3 kilometres wide. On the eastern side, it is high. So, anyone could take advantage of the raised portion and must have dumped these boulders so that he could cross the bridge. How old were the boulders? The shape of the boulders and the type of material clearly indicate that this is a man-made structure. We saw similar rocks on Rameswaram islands and also in Pamban. On either side of the railway bridge, you can see these formations as well as the raised corals. There are indications of quarrying also there. All these things lead us to believe that 2 to 2.5 metres of packed rubble or material appears to be a modern day causeway. For 30 km, nobody dumps materials like that. Obviously, it was dumped to use it to cross the sea. Moreover, they are compact and light. It is also quite obvious that the boulders were used to cross over because in all the bore holes we made in the entire stretch of Adam’s Bridge, we saw the same material. It appears like a rock-filled structure. If it is a geological phenomenon, you will find the oldest formation below and the newer ones on top. I would rather call it an anthropogenic (pertaining to the effect of human beings on the natural world) causeway rather than a bridge. } | ||
| Ruj Junior Artist Username: Ruj Post Number: 749 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 24.118.242.233 Rating: |
ramudu srilanka varaku vanara sena tho kalisi vanthena kattadu ante navvaru..ippudu payina satellite tho choosi avunua alaanti vanthena undi..ani daaniki adam's bridge ani peru ettaru tala tikka melalu..india srilanka madya unna daani peru adam's bridge anta eela sethilo obama katravellli...  asalu appudappudu alochisthe anipistundhi asalu inni durkramanalu,durmargalu jarigaka kooda kevalam word of mouth tho enno satabdhala tarabadi mana ee puranalu ala nilabaduthu vachayi..nijanga adbutham | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7385 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 71.239.184.202 Rating: |
NASA vaadu cheppenta varaku .. Ram Setu anedi fiction ani kottipaaresaaru medhavulu .. ee roju technology lo kharma kaali nijam bayata padeppatiki .. aa tooch .. adi man made kadu .. natural formation ani sannayi nokkulu nokkutunnaru .. repu adi kooda prove aithe .. Karunanidhi adiginatte .. Ramudu .. ye engineering college pass out antaru .. inni vankara maatalu matladi .. fair ga questions adugutunnam kada .. ani antaru ! emi chestam .. oka navvu navvi .. Hey Ram .. antam ! Ekam sat, Vipra bahuda vadanti | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7384 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 71.239.184.202 Rating: |
simple .. victorian standards ni meet avvavu aa policies .. ! anyways .. meeru and Vjavasi annai .. assets to this DB .. Ekam sat, Vipra bahuda vadanti | ||
| Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1713 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 59.93.69.152 Rating: |
okka ramayaname kadandi.....even material world lo kooda emaina sarigga ardham kaavali ante right attitude approach must anukuntunna | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1011 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: |
oka tribal leader ki 'god' status vastundi ane theory itself is somehow far fletched anipistundi. ofcourse meeru annattu one person's views can be different from others. What I mean about 'trashing it' is exactly what I mean 'to trash' it, if you do not believe it fine do not trash the belief of other people. ninna monnati varaku saraswati river anedi ledu annaru satellite imagery and drill bores have proved that the water is indeed ancient. ninna monnati varaku dwaraka anedi ledu annaru now evidence dorukundi expedition ni fund cheyandi ante chese vallu leru. oka bangladesh ki 1 Billion $$$ funds free ga ivva galige govt mana desha culture gurinchi enduku spend cheyatam ledu? why are they not spending the money on restoring the old temples that are in ruin in our country? why are they not spending the money towards excavations in dwarka, near ram setu and other places. | ||
| Ruj Junior Artist Username: Ruj Post Number: 748 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 24.118.242.233 Rating: |
aapeyi annai..aapeyi..dayachesi aa dusta congeeyulanu rama tho polchadhu..  | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6675 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: |
Ante ardham avvani vallaki right attitude approach ledu antaru Interesting statement....aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6674 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: |
I am sure Rama existed - like Ishan I think he must have been a king/leader that got ascribed divinity later. My interest is more in the civilization of the time and the dating Ram setu lo date-able materials emi dorakaleda ee team ki ?
One person's opinion is another's trash and everyone has a right to their opinion Atleast that's the way I see it aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1712 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 123.176.36.82 Rating: |
Rama is an ideal husband, to demonstrate to the world the chastity of sita he asked her to do agniprevesha....this was necessary as he was not a ordinary citizen..he was responsible and answerable to his people.....he even gave choice to sita to go with any one....this drama was staged to just show the greatness of seetha....later he has sent seetha to forests to set standards in his kingdom...another spiritual reason behind this as explained in gaudiya vaishnav sampradaya is lord and his consort wanted to enjoy viraha(love in seperation) which is considered highest form of love in spiritual world.....this is the same reason why krishna all of a sudden left radha and gopis in vrindavana and never returned to vrindavana...though rama has sent sita to forest he never married again....even when wife is required to perform ashwamedha sacrifice he refused to marry and performed sacrifice with golden idol of seetha...so pure is the love of rama towards seetha.....we cannot understand every action of lord...neither he cares for certificates from mortals...right attitude and right approach is pre-requirement to understand even a drop in the ocean of his qualities.... PS:i am travelling and will not have continuous internet access | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1010 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: |
Rama bhakti undali anna prereq ledu andi, trash cheyakunda unte chalu, ikkada discussiona anni related to that. It is ok if you do not believe in avatara concept if there is however archeological evidence to prove 'Rama' existed that would satisfy your interest I guess thanks for your observations as well, please do keep contributing to this thread | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6673 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: |
Ee part miss ayyanu - ee thread lo participate cheyyataniki Rama bhakti prerequisite ani teliste I would have stayed out of the thread as well academic objective discussion anukoni post chesanu I do not believe in the avatara concept...My interest in Ramayana/Mahabharata is academic only, as potential chronicles of history... Thank you for the responses aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1009 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 71.170.131.231 Rating: |
Bhagirathudu precedes Ramayana and Mahabharata by many centuries andi Raghuvamsham prakaramu here is the lineage of Rama, meeru annatu timelines asalu match avavu - Lord Brahma created 10 prajapatis — one of whom was Marichi. Kashyapa is the son of Marichi and Kala. Kashyapa is regarded as the father of humanity. - Vivasvan or Surya is the son of Kashyapa and Aditi. - Manu or Vaivaswatha Manu is the son of Vivasvan. He is regarded as the first ruler belonging to the Ikshvaku dynasty. - Ikshvaku is the son of Manu and established his kingdom in Ayodhya. - Kukshi is the son of Ikshavaku. - Vikukshi is the son of Kukshi. - Bana is the son of Vikukshi. - Anaranya is the son of Bana. - Prithu is the son of Anaranya. - Trisanku is the son of Prithu. - Dhundhumara is the son of Trisanku. - Yuvanaswa is the son of Dhundhumara. - Mandhata is the son of Yuvanaswa. - Susandhi is the son of Mandhata. - Daivasandhi and Presenjit are the sons of Susandhi. - Bharatha is the son of Presenjit. - Asita is the son of Bharatha. - Sagara is the son of Asitha. - Asamanja is the son of Sagara. - Amsumantha (Ansuman) is the son of Asamanja. - Dileepa is the son of Amsumantha. - Bhagiratha is the son of Dileepa - Kakustha is the son of Bhagiratha. - Raghu is the son of Kakushta. (The clan of Raghuvamsha started with Raghu.) - Pravardha is the son of Raghu. - Sankhana is the son of Pravardha. - Sudarsana is the son of Sankhana. - Agnivarna is the son of Sudarsana. - Seeghraga is the son of Agnivarna. - Maru is the son of Seeghraga. - Prasusruka is the son of Maru. - Ambarisha is the son of Prasusruka. - Nahusha is the son of Ambarisha. - Yayathi is the son of Nahusha. - Nabhaga is the son of Yayathi. - Aja is the son of Nabhaga. - Dasaratha is the son of Aja. - Rama is the son of Dasaratha anduke Ramudu ni Ikshvaku kula tilaka ani , raghu vamsha sudambudi antaru. Saraswati river according to the information research dried out around 1900BC due to tectnic disturbances which led to the change in direction of the flow of the river and gradually the climatic conditions led to the drying uo of the river on the surface but it is still found to be alive under the terrain. Meeru chadive untaru dani gurinchi I am providing a link of an interview with sri kalyanasundaram who was the director of the Geological Survey of India. He was also former coordinator of the survey division of the National Institute of Ocean Technology, Ministry of Earth Science, in Chennai. http://kalyan97.wordpress.com/2007/08/01/492/ please give your views | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6672 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: |
Deeniki kuda na deggira oka theory undi  I think Bhagiratha's quest for Ganga to redeem the parched souls of his ancestors is an allegory to the search for a verdant/habitable land after Saraswati river dried up causing the Indus Valley civilization to die - but aa theory ki mee timelines match avvavu Migration to the gangetic plain taravata Ramayanam - so it will be post Indus Valley
 anta bhayam ayite elaga - mee sivudu mimmalni kapadatadu lendi aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1008 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: |
Information is hard to come by andi, discovery chesina prati okkaru edo book raseddamani waiting. ASI is not funded by govt of india to conduct any of the explorations. chesina oka expedition dwaraka di (graham hancock with ASI konni issues valla further ga progress avaledu). Govt of India along with the left leaning 'medhavulu' do not think it is worth exploring the past of our culture mana dourbhagyam. UP lo Sinauli ane chota Harappan time ki chendina pottery etc dorikindi, all this time it was believed that harappan culture was limited to the upper areas along the saraswati river lines. Idi accidental ga discover ayindi, ila eppudo ekkado edo bayata padavachu anta varaku vechi choodali. kanyalumari ko konni miles dooram samudram vetikite chala submerged structures dorkutayi based on information recorded in sangam literature no interest by government. Satellite mapping chesina structures kanapadali kanisam adi kooda cheyatam ledu. Mana culture eppudu puynam chesukuntundo saraina government vachi ilanti vati meeda koncham serious ga focus chesedi eppudo | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1818 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.235.198 Rating: |
raama bhakthulu naaku saapam pettakunda atlaa cheppalsochindi... ento janaalu chaala emotional ayiptaru simple questions ke...antha raama maaya...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4 | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6671 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: |
I think I have said this before - your belief system is yours - you do not have to justify/explain it to anybody LOL - a discussion on agnipariksha where you have to go thru the agnipariksha of proving the sanctity of your belief systems for your arguments to have validity Do you see the irony aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6670 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: |
Thank you for the link ... "Apart from Dvaraka, more than thirty-five sites in North India have yielded archaeological evidence and have been identified as ancient cities described in the Mahabharata. Copper utensils, iron, seals, gold & silver ornaments, terracotta discs and painted grey ware pottery have all been found in these sites." Aa link lo ee statement ki corroborative evidence ekkadanna unda ? I did not find anything on the site ... I have read about the greyware pottery earlier telusu but adi kuda dating was to Harappa Culture anukunta not further back in time... aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 2361 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
im not spending much time bro, appudu appudu vachi posts choosthunna. so i am not participating in active discussions. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1817 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.107.38 Rating: |
Brother, meeru eppudu rom la vundochu memu undakoodada? btw, we need to discuss on Syadvada some time.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4 | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 2357 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: |
hyder thammi, please inko thread istart jeyyi.. ee thread already baruvuga undhi... the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1007 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: N/A |
sure adagandi i will try to answer it if I can | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 2355 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
ila andharu ROM lo ki ellipothe yela... please post... hyder thammi evo quests vesthunaadu.. it will be interesting.. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1816 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234 Rating: N/A |
sure brother, please carry on your discussion. Your posts are very informative and I am glad you are in this forum. We need more people like you here. As I don't have anything else to add to this thread, I will be on rom mode http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4 | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 4743 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.120 Rating: N/A |
Ramayan lo nenu ekkado vinna/chadivina chinna point chebithe ikkada andaru nannu dobbulettaru... meeru ayina clarify chesthara whether it was true or not ..without blood boiling? chesthanu ante i will post the question.. or take light anna sare If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1815 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234 Rating: N/A |
Me fine brother how are you doing?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4 | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1006 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: N/A |
tammi ishan, sorry i take back my words about leftist and pseudo secular. I have been involved in many forums like these ever since I stepped in this country in 1992. I have seen many discussions ending up nowhere because the primary reason for the discussion gets sidelined. As I told this thread is about Ramayana and only Ramayana and the things that have happened or mentioned in the epic. It is not about trying to find the authenticity or theories of other people whether it has happened or not etc. This is the primary reason why I have tried to focus on the core concept of Ramayana rather than anything. | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 2353 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
ee thread enti inni rakaaluga undhi.... the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Woodpecker Side Hero Username: Woodpecker Post Number: 5466 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 161.165.196.84 Rating: N/A |
ishan tamud, how r u? | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1814 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.107.38 Rating: N/A |
Brother, I have never read Discovery of India nor any other Nehru's writings about Ramayana. Until you said I didn't even know Nehru had a theory about Ramayana. In fact I don't like Nehru for many reasons. Also, I am neither a pseudo-secularist nor a leftist. In fact I dont like anything that is Pseudo. I am a pure theist. Also, I have no negative feelings about Rama and I worship him daily at home. I have clear distinction between objectivity and belief because its not impossible to think in both ways. Further, the philosophy I believe tells me that spiritually enlightened man is god! and I have no problem in accepting that Rama was such a person. I might have my opinions on his actions and I hope I am wrong about them but in none of my posts I neither degraded Rama nor said he was not god. Looks like you are pretty new to these kind of forums. You have to be ready to accept different theories and views when you are discussing about any topic in a public forum. You haven't seen the posts of some real atheists in this forum yet. Anyways, I apologize again if my posts were offensive to you, nothing was intentional. Unfortunately I am not interested in astrology to discuss the methods of these predictions.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4 | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1813 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234 Rating: N/A |
I dont think it sprouted out of no where. It was an evolution of Mehrgarh civilization which existed for about 5 millennia before Indus valley. May be rama was the cause of transition between those two civilizations! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehrgarh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4 | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1005 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: |
Ishan tammi, i think you are too much influenced by Nehru's writings ,other leftist leanings and pseudo secular chronicles. I do take your point but as I repeatedly keep saying this thread is for people who believe in Ramayana and want to discuss about it.
there were many great emperors before Alexander who moved across vast areas of land and conquered them and he himself was very successful at that. thanks to ishan and you for your comments. kamal tammi i will come to your point in a bit | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1004 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: N/A |
I have no issues with any sources you or anybody quotes. The current corpus of knowledge regarding history of mankind is at best very rudimentary at this point. In most cases it is archeology that establishes some kind of evidence. However there is no archeological evidence as such that exists today to establish the evidence for Ramayana , if we have to do that we will have to dig out thousands of years of archeology across different sites in india and elsewhere in the world. We are talking about digging out 7000+ years of archeology. This govt of india could not spend 9 Crores to fund a project to put underwater tubing to make visits to the Dwaraka sites possible by common man or researchers alike. There needs to be some concentrated efforts to perform such excavations to get these proofs As I said it is a matter of beliefs. I and researchers all over the world still wonder how a civilization of the sophistication of Indus valley can sprout all of sudden out of nowhere. There has to be an explanation for it. | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 4733 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.120 Rating: N/A |
Exactly!! that's exactly what i would think even it it was a true real life story. Even then lanka episode sounds far fetched. With the infrastructure and tools that they had during that time... it is beyond my imagination as to how he and his military traveled hundreds of miles... Even great Alexander of this era couldn't travel successfully for long(leaving conspiracous theories aside) If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1812 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234 Rating: N/A |
That might be true. Rama might still have existed at that time. He might have been a great tribal leader who might have established law and order in his society and might have caused a great upliftment of his people. The story of some one abducting his wife might have also happened and he might have rescued her. This kind of event and great leadership of rama might have been an extreme rarity during those times. For that reason, a truly dedicated fan-base might have originated and evolved, and over the centuries lots of embellishments were added to the story leading to its sanctification. The other day I was watching a movie called "Mongol" which is about making of Genghiz khan and his childhood story. His story had some striking similarities with rama's story. Apparently abduction of women was a common feature at least in ancient chinese tribal societies. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4 | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 4732 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.120 Rating: N/A |
Any problem with that?  As i said, time periods for bronze age etc are well accepted and documented. Check from any source you like. That's exactly what i am basing my defense on. Given the life style of humans being during bronze age, none of the stuff mentioned in the ramayana makes sense. We didn't even have "colonization" during that time. So how can we talk about "Rama rajyam" etc? Rajyam kosam yudham etc is out of scope. Earliest colonization in our area (south asia) was during Indus Valley Civilization (around 2000 BC) But in ramayana we talk in great length about Rama's war winning capabilities etc. Even the forts, houses etc that they explain in ramayana must have been pure fiction if you look at the history. If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1003 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: |
wikipedia na In a given location, a Stone Age was usually followed by a Bronze Age, during which metalworking technology allowed bronze (copper and tin or other metals) tools to become more common. The transition out of the Stone Age occurred between 6000 BC and 2500 BC for much of humanity living in North Africa, Asia and Europe. In regions such as Subsaharan Africa, the Stone Age was followed directly by an Iron Age. The Middle East and southeastern Asian regions progressed past Stone Age technology around 6000 BC. Europe, and the rest of Asia became post–Stone Age societies by about 4000 BC. The proto-Inca cultures of South America continued at a Stone Age level until around 2000 BC, when gold, copper and silver made their entrance, the rest following later. Australia remained in a Stone Age until the 17th century. chana research articles chooddam if there is any truth in that. day in a day out research in archeology and digs all over the world are throwing up evidence of things older than 7000 yrs. Its a matter of showing the proof for Ramayana and I perfectly agree to it. However as in law not all evidence is in front of eyes some times circumstantial evidence is enough and the research community is trying to build that. It remains to be seen if some evidence will ultimately come out that will settle the matter once and for all. Until then it a matter of belief and those who believe will discuss. | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 4730 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.120 Rating: N/A |
Search from any source you like... Stone age, Bronze age time periods were scientifically proven through Carbon dating technique. If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1002 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: N/A |
tammi nee source istava? nenu daniki reply ista | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 4729 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.120 Rating: N/A |
The transition out of the Stone Age occurred between 6000 BC and 2500 BC for much of humanity living in North Africa, Asia and Europe. The Middle East and southeastern Asian regions progressed past Stone Age technology around 6000 BC. Europe, and the rest of Asia became post–Stone Age societies by about 4000 BC. If you study about the human life, living conditions etc during stone age then not a single point in ramayana makes sense. For ex, stone age time lo human life expectancy was around 20-25 years max. There is no way a grand father can see his grand children. Ramayanam lo cheppina rama rajyam total population all over the world lo kuda ledu anukunta. Horses ni machika chesukovadam etc is unheard of as per that time (at least in asia) And lot more... So either ramayan time is incorrect or it is just a super hit FICTION STORY. If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4737 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
wont get anywhere ani sadukondi ..thanks | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4736 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
annai.. i understand what you saying.. kakapothe ikkada disco dedicated ga chesthunnaru.. ninna kuda thread itlane divert ayyindhi with same old disco i.e evaluating rights and wrongs of our puranas.. I think this thread is disco more on ramayana,timelines and its content and lets stick to that ani anna anthe. lastly I am not against discoing about rights and wrongs of puranas and our mythologiucal heroes kakapothe mana db lo fublic ki openness karuvayyindhi.. argument lo avatahli vaad konchem plausible reasoning ichina kuda vintaler.. just dogged opinions petkuni vadishtunnar and those discos get anywhere. I never get into fan threads because there aint scope of conversation in those threads.. raanu raanu these threads too becoming like those threads.. | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7344 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.141 Rating: N/A |
ade anukunna .. kaani idi choosi .. inka ekkuva santoshinchaa .. 6th December 1992 .. nijam ga celebrate chesukovalsina roju .. ee sari gudi kadithe .. 6th December muhurtam ke open cheyinchaali ..
Ekam sat, Vipra bahuda vadanti | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Side Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 7766 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.182.1.4 Rating: N/A |
ramudi birthday 6th Dec ani set ayithe symbolic ga untadi kada maaku | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7343 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.141 Rating: N/A |
Vali vadha gurinchi disco cheddam .. same time .. meeru kooda mee posts veyyandi .. office lo koddiga pani undi .. chestoo choosta ! Ekam sat, Vipra bahuda vadanti | ||
| Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1001 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: N/A |
tammi's let us bring the talking points. Kamal tammi can you share any information you have on other things related to Ramayana? i will share some shortly | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7342 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.141 Rating: N/A |
mee SoH ki mechukovaali .. Ekam sat, Vipra bahuda vadanti | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 18716 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 208.88.0.16 Rating: N/A |
thammudu nenu thread intent n content n research emi seyyanu....title soosi edho notikocchindhi type sesi kamal kurronni gillesi elli pothaa....okkasaaari first post chudu....oka nautical mile podugundhi....adhi sadhivi malla adhi grasp seskuni...dhaniki reply icchinodi 2 nautical mile post kooda sadhivi ...dhanni kooda ardham seskuni jagrathhaga post seyyali antey naaku kapala moksham osthadhi annattu....accutee attention deficit dis order...understand yaaa | ||
| Idle_yzag Hero Username: Idle_yzag Post Number: 19934 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 198.80.144.187 Rating: N/A |
kadu annai, ramudu manchi baludu, somyudu, COngi- Gandiyavadulam, noru leni vallam inka BJPs gurinchi telisindhi kada, tallupulu veskoni thoda godtharu lakshmans annatu RahulGandhi/JP/Chiru | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4735 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
alright brother.. you made your point. Now lets stick whats being discussed in this thread. The intent here is just discussing ramayana not validating it and we are not evaluating any characters in ramayana. Hope you are getting my point. | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 18714 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 208.88.0.16 Rating: N/A |
idly...nee bondha....congi ramuda..kiki congi is kaikeyi...divide n rule.... bjp laxman....extremism | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7339 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.141 Rating: N/A |
lol .. Ramudu Christian aa .. naaku telvad .. j/k Ekam sat, Vipra bahuda vadanti | ||
| Bhikhu Side Hero Username: Bhikhu Post Number: 5168 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 148.129.71.52 Rating: N/A |
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| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 4728 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.120 Rating: N/A |
ittanti topics ante manaku chaala interest le "Ramayanam lo pidakalaveta" ani oka thread lo chaala pedda disco jarigindi in the past. Last 2 days lo DB ki peddaga raaledu so missed the thread... so ICON = ikkada em jarugutundaa ani choosthunna If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 18713 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 208.88.0.16 Rating: N/A |
watever...saudi lo sethulu narakatam type adhi....aa rojullo human rights kurroll undi untey laxmana ni lopala esevaru definitely....oka manishiki chevulu mukkulu koyyatam that too for an intent of crime dat was not yet committed is gruesome...kurrod definitely had issues....if he really did that.... | ||
| Idle_yzag Hero Username: Idle_yzag Post Number: 19931 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 198.80.144.187 Rating: N/A |
adhigooo ee extermists yee vadhu congi - Rama BJP - Lakshman RahulGandhi/JP/Chiru | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4734 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
Lakshamana is actually adisheshu ( a snake) reincarnated into human form.. so naturally that type aggressiveness is not surprising nor out of the way. | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7337 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.141 Rating: N/A |
Lakshmana is my favorite character after Rama. Sometimes .. Lakshmanudi aggression ki asalu Rama badulu Lakshmana lead chesunte ela undeda anipistundi .. Ravanudi ni naama roopalu lekunda chesevaademo .. Btw .. the fight between Indrajeet and Lakshmana stands out .. Ekam sat, Vipra bahuda vadanti | ||
| Okahyderabadi Junior Artist Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1000 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: N/A |
sampadam kanna adi better emo atleast she is alive? akkada reasoning endante, shurpanaka tries to kill/eat Sita amma as Rama said I am single woman guy lakshamana is naturally aggressive guy so despite his saying no etc she continues making advances and he knows that she is a rakshasa princess and instead of killing her disfigures her. Mr Hyderabad nee icon artham kale tammi jara cheppu endi dani artham anetidi | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 18710 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 208.88.0.16 Rating: N/A |
ramayanam lo lakshman kurrod surpanaka chevulu n mukku koyyatam is inhumane... he has issues... | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 4724 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.120 Rating: N/A |
 If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
| Okahyderabadi Junior Artist Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 997 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: N/A |
Hastinapuram as we read about from Mahabharatam and others epics used to be on the banks of river Ganga and it is being said that the river had changed course some time in the history inundating the kingdom. This is mentioned in the link i have given in the earlier post | ||
| Okahyderabadi Junior Artist Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 996 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: N/A |
hi andi check this link it has some information on the proofts http://www.archaeologyonline.net/artifacts/scientific-verif- vedas.html ikkada koncham information undi, we need more such details to come out and documented. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6669 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: |
That is what is said - we lived in the area that was purportedly Indrapaprastha - Kurukshetra is on route to Chandigarh.
Chances unnayi anedi speculation kada - till we can show some "proof" academic circles lo validity emi undadu...it just does not make sense that not a single artifact dating back to that period has been retrieved - if the stories are to be believed those were advanced metallurgy days kada ... aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Okahyderabadi Junior Artist Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 995 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 87.106.140.33 Rating: N/A |
evaro mahanubhavulu calculate chesindru tammi, nenu ikkada information sharing ante. mottam thread chadavandi. you can see more details. | ||
| Life_sucks Comedian Username: Life_sucks Post Number: 1399 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 148.168.40.4 Rating: N/A |
Okahyderabadi... the dates are nicely calculated based on astrology !!! | ||
| Life_sucks Comedian Username: Life_sucks Post Number: 1398 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 148.168.40.4 Rating: N/A |
is ramayana just a story or it really happened.. any proof ?. | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7285 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
no .. I did not mean Ishan .. nee enks .. I meant Kamal, the potugadu .. ante nene .. mimmalni aithe ala musug vesi anaala enti .. direct ga anese vaadini ..
Agnideva himself gives up kada annai .. that he is not even eligible to testify Mother Sita ani .. Sita is the purest of women and Rama is best man ever to walk on this earth in flesh ! Life is a highway .. I want to ride it all night long .. | ||
| Okahyderabadi Junior Artist Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 992 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: N/A |
I respect everybody's views. We will try to address the questions one by one. Life lo ilantivi chala situations vastayi some which dont need explanation, some that need explanation. other tammi's/chellallu, Ramayana has stood the test of time and that is the reason it is considered one of the greatest epics. Ishan I will try to address your questions/points
mee reason ento cheppagalara? Is it based on the below two things a) he did not stop sita from entering the fire ( he never asked her to jump) b) he asked lakshmana to leave her at valmiki's ashrama a) Sri Rama did not want the world to cast aspersions on the character of sita amma after he brought her to back to his kingdom and that is why he did not stop her. He knew that Sita was like fire and that agni would not harm her in any way, sita agni vantidi agni agnini jwalinchuna anedi true. There is another interpretation of the whole thing in Tulasidas Ram Charit manas where it is said that 'Original sita is kept with agni dev for protection' and chaya sita was actually abducted by Ravana and the incident was to just get back the original sita from the fire. irrespective of which version we take the objective was to prove to the world that 'Sita was as pure as fire'. b) Rama as a king was well aware of the duties of a king and his first duty was to the people and not to himself at the cost of his personal well being. When he learns of the comments of the fisherman he has to take the decision as a King rather than as a husband ( probably this is why you are saying he is not a good husband). In choosing to sacrifice his personal life in face of duty he fulfilled his duties. He has to set the example for this people 'yatha rajah thatha prajah' so he chose to sacrifice his personal life. There are some people who actually say that this entire Uttara Khanda is an not original and nothing as such happened.
That is the greatness of him, he chose to be human rather than a GOD, having been born as a human he has to go through the human life as prescribed by dharma before he can cease the avatara. So he has to go through the Grihasta, vanaprasta. Unfortunately for him the incident with the fisherman happened and resulted in Sita being sent to Valmiki's ashramam. | ||
| Bhikhu Side Hero Username: Bhikhu Post Number: 5158 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 148.129.71.52 Rating: N/A |
deniki?..ramud ante dharmaman...valmiki ramayanam lo septharu.. vanavasaniki ki velllai ani telisaka guda ramud edavadu..but..tana mandiraniki vachi sita susi edustadu..sita ki ramud ki unna..relation alntidi...ee roju ki sita ramul kaga undandi ani divistaru.. | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1804 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234 Rating: N/A |
I disagree. Then why didn't they return immediately after killing ravana? Why sita agni pravesham? His additional purpose of avatara was to establish true dharma. If you meant by Ishan, potato bolls to you. My only suggestion to you is not to get agitated by questions. People always ask these questions. But once he killed ravana, no point in not invoking his true status in spite of reminded by other gods. Anyways, sorry if you felt this thread has digressed. Happy Discussion, nenu jump. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4 | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7282 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
bro .. simple .. I cannot stand such comments ..
question cheyyochu .. kaani oka paddati prakaaram cheste baaguntundi .. anthe kaani .. out of context lo pichi maatalu maatladithe kaalutundi .. I did not start personal attacks here .. oka 7-8 posts continous ga chettavi paddake respond ayyanu .. probably I am not tolerant/matured as most of you people here ! Life is a highway .. I want to ride it all night long .. | ||
| Okahyderabadi Junior Artist Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 991 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: N/A |
Kamal Tammi 'Bye' anaku thread lo participate cheyandi. Ram naam ka amrut bhantna hai | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7279 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: |
I apologize ! Bye Life is a highway .. I want to ride it all night long .. | ||
| Okahyderabadi Junior Artist Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 989 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 87.106.140.33 Rating: N/A |
please daya chesi let us keep personal attacks out of this thread. Let us share knowledge and if somebody disagrees let us make a point and move forward. With the power of seeing the past and future in the present he saw the entire Ramayana and in exact way in which it happened and recorded it. | ||
| Bhikhu Side Hero Username: Bhikhu Post Number: 5157 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 148.129.71.52 Rating: N/A |
kurrol ki oka kochen..ramudu vali ni settu satu sampad ani antar..daniki ramayanam lo ramud ichina justification eti | ||
| Okahyderabadi Junior Artist Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 988 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: N/A |
I think let us stick to Ramayana and refrain from personal attacks in this thread its my request please. We are all forgetting the simple fact here. Why did Rama avataram take place? to kill Ravana. To kill Ravana he has to be human as Ravana had the varam from Brahma not to die at anybody's hands (forgets to add humans). Rama had to be born as human and live his life like a human and undergo the issues that a normal human being undergoes. The minute he says he is 'GOD' he cannot kill Ravana and then there is no purpose of the avatara It is a testimony to his character that despite all the things that have happened in his life he has always stuck to the dharma As a Son to his father he upheld his fathers words given to kaikeyi As as Son to his mother he upheld her dictum that he leave the throne to Bharata As a disciple to his guru he fights the rakshasas kills tataki and marries Sita in the swayamvara with his blessings As a husband he tries to fulfil all of his duties As a brother he tries is best to take care of his brother lakshmana all the time, he contemplates killing himself when lakshmana is unconscious in the battle with Indrajit As a king he lives up to the expectations of his people The reason he had to go on exile is there cannot be an elder brother living around while the younger rules and as per the yuga dharma if a person is incognito and leaves possession of a thing for 14 years in Treta yuga he permanently loses it( 13 yrs in Dwapara). Lets get to Ramayanam again ----------------------------- Ratnakarudu who was a boya vadu and a thief lived in the forest. He used to hunt animals and rob people who used to travel through the forest. In his acts of robbery he sometimes killed people too. People were afraid to go in to the forest because of this. One day narada devarishi is walking in the forest and ratnakarudu comes across him and tries to attack him. Naradudu is not afraid and just stands still. Naraduni choosi ratnakarudu is surprised as people either die at looking at him or leave everything and run away. So naraduni adugutadu nuvvu evaru nannu choosi enduku parugetta ledu ani. Naradudu antadu, ninnu choosi nenenduku bhayapadali, i am not afraid or anybody as I chant the lords name. Ratnakarudu is surprised and then asks what is this Lord ka chakkar. Narada tells him I will tell you but for that you need to be absolved of all your sins go and ask your wife and children if they will share your sins that you committed. Ratnakarudu goes to his wife and children and asks the same question to which they reply how can we share your sins? you were doing your duty of providing for us and we were doing ours. So Ratnakarudu comes back to Narada and tells the same thing. Then narada says you need to get out of this cycle you are in and 'Rama' nama mantram upadeshitadu. Ratnakar ki adi cheppadam radu so 'maRa' antadu, sare edo kanivvu ani Naradudu akkadi nunchi velli potadu. Ratnakarudu then sits under a tree and starts repeating the word 'mara' which turns in to Rama when we say it continuously. cut cheste konni years taruvata Naradudu vachi chooste aa place lo oka pedda cheemala putta untundi, puttani tolagiste Ratnakarudu still chating 'Rama' namam. Narada brings him out of the meditation and asks him oh Maharshi do you recall who i am? appudu Ratnakar mimmalni gurtuku pattakapovadam enti 'Rama' ane amrutam ichavu ani. Narada then names him Valmiki since he was born from 'Valmeekam'(ante cheemala putta). Valmiki velli Tamasa nadi teeram lo ashramam pettukoni akkada life continuing, one day naradudu malli vastadu Valmiki out of curiosity asked Narada to tell him about one person who is principled, has a lot of potential in him to perform any task, conscientious, redeemer, truth-teller, self-determined, has good conduct, respect for all beings , adept, able, uniquely good to look at, courageous, control on his anger, brilliant, non-jealous and even whom the gods fear when provoked to war. Narada responds ----> RAMA After Narada left Valmiki went to the banks of river called . After bathing in it he was coming back and saw two Krauncha (family of swans) birds. Suddenly a hunter shot the male bird. This made the sage angry and He uttered the poem(this is the first sanskrit poem) "maa nishada pratisthaamvta magamah shaashvatiih samah yat krauncha mithunaat eka mavadhiih kaama mohitam" a first look it would mean as "You are an ill-fated hunter that has killed the male bird when it was in its lustful companionship with its female and for this you would get reputation for ages to come". The sage was quite upset as anger is a negative emotion. When the sage was immersed in this melancholy of thought the Self Created One Brahma came by Himself. After greeting the sage and receiving due worship He explained the inner meaning of the above verse which goes as follows "Goddess Lakshmi's abode... Oh! Vishnu, by which act of your killing one male demon named Ravana, who in his passion abducted Sita, and thus you eradicated the vice from the earth, for that you get an everlasting divine sanctity, as Rama, for ages to come". After explaining so the Self Created One Lord Brahma asked Valmiki to compose the Ramayana. After Lord Brahma left the hermitage the sage sat on a mat made of Kusa (a type of grass conducive for meditation) grass facing the east and in deep meditation saw the entire Ramayana with his inner eye of wisdom.He gets the ability to see the events as happened due to a boon from Brahma tat ca api aviditaM sarvaM viditaM tE bhaviShyati| na tE vAk an^RitA kAvyE kAcit atra bhaviShyati|| ---------}} | ||
| Analog Junior Artist Username: Analog Post Number: 559 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 71.52.0.117 Rating: N/A |
yes naa lanti ordinary person ki leaving a pregnant wife in karadavi is beyond imagination...ee okka episode lo how cruel he is anipinchindi...adi naa opinion!! | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1803 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.107.38 Rating: N/A |
Dharma is formulated by people. IF suspecting his wife was a dharma in that society, he should have abolished that custom at least after he became a king. But again that chakali fellow suspects his wife later. Avatar ninnane choosina, I don't know how to relate that to dualism but the basic cause of the conflict in that movie is greed of humans, the same old greed that we saw in Duryodhana and Ravana. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4 | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4733 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: |
iamim brother gave some good info,okahyd brother detailed ga explained and lastly ishan dualistic otuch on seeta rama..good points to take home..you choose what you want brother..simfle. | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7274 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
vurike vachindo .. leka naalanti naluguru vedhavalu paalupoka rachabanda meeda koorchuni vaagithe vachindo naaku anavasaram ! nenu adigindi cheppandi .. how did you deduce that Sita suffered ? manalanti ordinary fellows ki Sita chesina tyaagalu ati kastam kaabatti .. she suffered ani decide aipovacha? Sita is like a mother to all of us .. tell me .. when mothers carry their babies in the womb .. naraka yaatana antaru .. ala ani pregnancy ni suffering antara .. ante oppukuntunda ye mother aina? same logic .. they (Rama and Sita) bore all the hardships for the sake of people like me and you .. They did that heartfully .. there is nothing wrong in questioning .. but trying to be ridiculous to the range of even assuming the intentions of Rama or Sita is something a bit overboard to me ! Life is a highway .. I want to ride it all night long .. | ||
| Analog Junior Artist Username: Analog Post Number: 558 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 71.52.0.117 Rating: N/A |
sita kastalu ani sametha vurike raledu..raamudi meeda prema tho ame vaatini santhoshamga bharinchindi...chinna mata kuda thirigi anakapovachu antha mathrana she didn't suffer ante nenu oppukonu..... | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7272 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
cool .. ee thread lo disco antha aipoyaaka .. what came out of disco, particularly on this point .. anedi oka post lo cheppandi naaku .. chaalu .. I will apologize if my words are wrong regarding the results that we get out of such discos ! Life is a highway .. I want to ride it all night long .. | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4731 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
brother.. fersonally i dont care what human activists infer from this disco or not..naa matuku naku...did i had fun discoing this or not. Ramudi actions ni judge chesi rama was not that great after all ani anukovalani anukunevallu anukuntunevuntar.. manam vallani aapalem. p.s - fun anaga fun in a right way .. pyaar baant the chalo types annattu anthe kani perverse fun ani kaad ani manavi. | ||
| Parthasaradhi Junior Artist Username: Parthasaradhi Post Number: 421 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 160.254.108.24 Rating: N/A |
complaint lekundaa police station lo kooodaa investigation start cheyyaru annai. She understood why rama did. Although she was suffering, she did not complain. NO complaint from victim, Maharshis of yore approved what rama did. Our ancestors worshipped Rama with temples in every village. Do you think we have extra information than them and we are smart? inka cheppalante manam kodi gudduki eekalu peekutunnam. You take care of yourself. Time takes care of everything. | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7270 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
evaru chepparu meeku idi .. meeru ela deduce chesaaru ..? edaina basis unda? anni logics kosam vethike manamu .. ee chinna logic ela miss avutunnamu?
bro .. I can understand ur intentions .. I am not casting my own aspirations on those ! But .. Rama was an ideal husband .. he crossed oceans, fought the most cruel of men and liberated earth and his wife (this is only a reason for them to rescue earth right?) .. as Valmiki says, at the start of Ramayana itself, he promises Lakshmi that they will be back in Vaikunta as soon as they accomplish the work. And since they are humans and also abide by the dharma .. they both think of doing it a certain way .. they simply follow whatever is planned ! ika 2010 AD lo Kamal ane potu gaadiki doubts vastayi ani millions of years mundu compromise avvaledu ga dharma/kartavya ni .. he did what was required of Him to show how pure Sita was/is and will be ! Life is a highway .. I want to ride it all night long .. | ||
| Analog Junior Artist Username: Analog Post Number: 557 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 71.52.0.117 Rating: N/A |
valid point..anduke yuga darmam annaru anukunta.... | ||
| Analog Junior Artist Username: Analog Post Number: 555 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 71.52.0.117 Rating: N/A |
this is not true....as per lavakusa movie | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 2338 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
kamalai, janaal inkochem effort petti aa rojullo rules ento ardham chesukunte baguntundhi anukuntunna... ippati rules prakaram ayithe mari ramudu ravanudu meedha ki war ki povatam kooda thappe avvochu... oka wife kosam antha mandhi war lo sanipovatam eti baagundhi cheppu.. just ravanudu tho one on one fight esukoni gelisi theesuku pothe ayipoyedhi kadha.. or since rama abducted her, he could have also used maaya, and abduct from ravana. it would have saved alot of lives anukuntunna.... the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4730 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
off topic.. ishan brother... mee dualistic theory perspective lo Avatar review ettandi.curious to read your take on Avatar. | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7269 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
I did not tell/decide/judge your intentions .. nor will I do that .. but what I am saying is .. mee actions ki results are what I said ani cheptunna .. intentions ane fill in the blank meere fill chesukondi whatever they are ! Sita never even complained about Rama or the way he treated .. nor did their children Lava or Kusa .. kaani ikkada human rights activists ki matram problem with the way Rama treated Sita .. LOL .. Life is a highway .. I want to ride it all night long .. | ||
| Analog Junior Artist Username: Analog Post Number: 553 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 71.52.0.117 Rating: N/A |
suffer ayina vallu complain cheyyakapothe anayayam jaraganatta??? | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1802 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234 Rating: N/A |
Its not what is "must" for you and me, but what is must for Hinduism today. I am not "propagating" anything here, but pointing out the priorities we must enlist to spread the greatness of religion and it can't be achieved just by focusing on Ramayana. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4 | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4729 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
ide mari too much kakapothe.. just mere questioning kuda thattukoleni puranala manavi? evaranna konchem insinuating ga question chesthe inka sanctity pothada? every action will be scrutinized even if it is done with honest intentions adi chala common manamunna duniya la.Ramudu was the ideal person , he was the jagadabi rama ani manaki chepithe adi without quesitoning accept cheyyali , ala chesthe you are respectful towards your culture and religion where as if you dont then you have negative intentions ante ela brother..Agree mana puranalu manche chepthayi but manakantu oka viganthi untadi adi upoyaginchali first rest inkedayina ani anukuntunna.. | ||
| Parthasaradhi Junior Artist Username: Parthasaradhi Post Number: 420 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 160.254.108.24 Rating: N/A |
Did you read anywhere Sita complaining about Rama? You take care of yourself. Time takes care of everything. | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7264 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
evari requirements vaallavi annai .. what is "must" for you may not be for others ; and vice-versa right? what are you propagating questioning Rama and Sita? tell me? Do children ask parents - am I really born to you? and can that question be asked? is it fair? as a parent (if you are), how would you take that? inka Sita was 101% fine with what Rama did .. but manamu .. mana tokkalo knowledge thoti .. we still try to question the fair intentions .. mimmalni or inkokarini drustilo pettukuni anatledu ivi .. in general .. in the garb of questioning .. you are simply trying to demolish sanctity attached to them ! as simple as that ! Life is a highway .. I want to ride it all night long .. | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 18684 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 208.88.0.16 Rating: N/A |
emiti...kumbhakarnudu sachipoyada???....nammalekapothunna rao garu | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1801 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234 Rating: |
I don't consider them chettha alochanalu. One should be able to answer these kind of questions if you are trying to portray Rama as the ideal human being and an avatar of Vishnu. These are the basic questions our children ask us and if you can not answer them, there begins the suspicion and doubt. My point is that we must stop emphasizing too much on these mythologies and instead try to propagate the core religious principles which are much more solid and logical. We can put the whole story of ramayana in the perspective of dualistic theory of hindu philosophy. Seetha (jeevathma) gets separated from Rama (paramathma) because she 'desires' illusory materialistic things (maya jinka). The trigunas of human mind i.e Rajo guna (Ravana), Thamo guna (kumbakarna) and sattva guna (vibhishana) held the jeevathma or the soul (seetha) in this materialistic world (Lanka) as captive. She wipes and wipes in the captivity and finally she gets visited by the divine guru (Hanuma) who brings the Brahma-jnana (the ring) as the representation of paramathma. Then she desires for paramathma and he rescues her by killing evil and establishes sattva guna as the king of this world. Now here comes the final test. For we know that there is nothing in this world that can not be destroyed by fire except soul. So she passes through the fire and gets qualified for the union with paramathma. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4 | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4728 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
Idea couple ante kalisi untene ideal couple ani kaadu mama.. Seeta followed rama and fulfilled her dharma as wife and rama was truthful to seeta even though she was not with him at all times.. aa vishayam lo ideal couple. Seeta lankalo unnanthakalam ramudi gurinchi talchukune baadhapadindhi.. same to same ramudu kuda anthe , seeta kosam fullto baadhapadaddu..aa terms lo ideal couple ani antara anukunta. | ||
| Analog Junior Artist Username: Analog Post Number: 552 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 71.52.0.117 Rating: N/A |
I agree thammudu...standards undatam lo thappu ledu..kani akkada sitaki injustice jarigindi kada??? rama rajyam lo evariki anyayam jaragakudadu....maata vachindi anukunnappudu sita tho saha malli vanavaasam velithe ayipoyedi | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 2335 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
it might be that even god could not circumvent the dharma ani chaduvukogalaru, missed not* the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 2333 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: |
Ishan bro, this is what i feel. I think in the story of Rama, he tries to be like any other normal person, instead of using any of his powers due to his reincarnation(unlike Krishna). Rama as a person has to abide by the rules of those days, even though he himself was the god. Dharmam nalugu padhaala nadichindhi ane vaaru, it might be that even god could circumvent the dharma into which he born into. Rama takes birth as a human, grows like a human, follows orders of his father like a human. he does not use tactics like Krishna to avoid going to the forest, which was due to some ulterior motives of his step mother. I think Rama tries to show a path where, however strong one might be, should not go against his dharma, even if it means to take steps that would hurt him dearly. Rama himself does not appear to take any decision based on percieved notion of right or wrong, but only follows the prescribed dharma of those days. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Parthasaradhi Junior Artist Username: Parthasaradhi Post Number: 419 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 160.254.108.24 Rating: N/A |
annai evari standards vaallaki vuntayi. Manaki adi chinna point. Ramunaki adi unthinkable. Naaku kontha mandi telusu. Voorilo pedda manishigaa vundagaa nalugurilo valla family ni oka anaraani maata annarani inti kocchi chacchipoyina vaallu. ade nannu evadu ee maataa anna a2care. . Mana PM gaa chesina sastry telusu kadaaa. ekkado train accident ki tanu responsible feel ayyi resign chesadu. aa accident ki tanaki emi sambadham lekapoyinaa chesadu. enduku? evari standards vaallaki vuntayi.You take care of yourself. Time takes care of everything. | ||
| Analog Junior Artist Username: Analog Post Number: 551 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 71.52.0.117 Rating: N/A |
idi maree bagundi..asalu question cheyyakunda knowledge ela peruguthundi | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 2811 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
Rama rama.. valmiki ni antha maate anesev enti brother... | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7260 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
cheekati unna chote velugu ki gurtimpu .. chali unna chote vedi avasaram .. chedu unna chote manchi avasaram kooda !!! as usual mee chetta aalochanalu bayata pettaru .. in the name of disco ! carry on ..  Life is a highway .. I want to ride it all night long .. | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 2810 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
Tretha yugam lo Dharmam 3 padala meede nadichedi.. Aina.. Ramarajyam most perfect kada.. ilanti talatikka characters ki tavundakoodadu nyayamga... | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4726 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
asunti characters kosame kada ramavataram and seetavataram...lekapothe why bother of avataring 10 times. | ||
| Analog Junior Artist Username: Analog Post Number: 550 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 71.52.0.117 Rating: N/A |
same doubt... darmam 4 padala meeda nadichina treta yugam lo ilanti character unnayi ante surprise | ||
| Analog Junior Artist Username: Analog Post Number: 549 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 71.52.0.117 Rating: N/A |
sita agnipravesam lo naakemi fault kanipinchaledu...kani oka chakali nindaki how come he abandoned a pregnant wife??? after all she proved harself by agnipravesam....evariki nyayam cheddamani chesadu alaga??? and morover sita-ramulu ante wife and husband relation ki ideal example antaru...pattumani 10 years kuda kalisi undaledu? ela antaru ideal example ani..sita may be ideal wife, but not rama... | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 2808 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
Ila aithe inka Rajyam nadichinatte.. aina teleeka adugutha.. Rama Rajyam lo kooda ilanti characters undeva.. inka difference enti?? | ||
| Parthasaradhi Junior Artist Username: Parthasaradhi Post Number: 418 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 160.254.108.24 Rating: N/A |
It was never proved to world. Only to people at the scene. Who would believe their words? They did not have TV9 to update on hourly basis. You take care of yourself. Time takes care of everything. | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 2807 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: |
I am no feminist.. aadadi gadapa daatithe anumaninchalsinde...  | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4725 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
Rama is not about himself but is about others. Ok, Dhobi incident is true anukundam, akkada ramudu prove cheyalsina daka ellalsina avasaram led.. he can just reprimand dhobi and make him shut up.. agnipravesham cheyyinchalsina pani kuda undedi kaadu okavela ramudu thana "self" interests mukhyam anukunte.. others first attitude maintain chethadu through out. | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1800 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234 Rating: N/A |
How can he follow the rules of lanka that was designed by Ravana? Bharatha was actually ruling at that time but that too was a proxy ruling with rama's padarakshas on the throne. So he had the power. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4 | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1799 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.107.38 Rating: N/A |
It really bothers me. In his kingdom, If there was such a human 'dharma' of suspecting his wife for whatever reasons, he should have wiped that evil custom out instead of heeding to it. That would have been a godly thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4 | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 2806 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
OK.. lets say Rama wanted to prove a point to the world.. he talks one way before agni pariksha and another way after the lecture from Gods.. if we say there is no uttara Ramayanam its happy ending.. but.. if we take the Dhobi incident and banishing Sita to forests.. why again?? Already its proved to world that he is pure.. how many times samething needs to be proved for sake of idiots... OK.. Rama Sita are divine.. came out clean from Agni pariksha.. but.. today many village idiots follow this.. by dipping the supects hand in boiling water or oil.. someone should tell them its not meant for Humans... | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4724 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
Any king who goes by his people is deemed to be a great king. Even though Rama was autocratic king his rule was democratic. Seetha agnipravesham naku telsi lanka lo jarigindi anukunta ( anybody welcome to correct me if am wrong).. Ramudu appatiki raju kaadu. Inko amazing thing entante.. chaakali rejects this agnipravesham due to lack of evidence. This is nothing but fredom of speech and very foundation of democracy.. this is enough to say how great a king Rama was.. | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7257 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
5 stars Life is a highway .. I want to ride it all night long .. | ||
| Okahyderabadi Junior Artist Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 987 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 87.106.140.33 Rating: |
Ishan u and I are quoting from the same place. Sri Ramudu is the ideal human He is the best son to a father, He is the best son to a mother He is the best brother to his brothers He is the best friend to his friends He is the best disciple of his guru He is the best husband to his wife He is the best king to his people (rama rajyam) ila anniti lo best kabatti he was called - Purushottamudu | ||
| Parthasaradhi Junior Artist Username: Parthasaradhi Post Number: 417 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 160.254.108.24 Rating: |
Yes, he says all these words. If you think of that situation, any one can grasp the sanity of these words. How can a human being can take his wife granted after staying for one year in the custody of person like Ravana? He himself never doubted but for clarifying to people around him. I don't see any wrong in his words. Nowadays it may look wrong to our You take care of yourself. Time takes care of everything. | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7254 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
Vishwamitra Life is a highway .. I want to ride it all night long .. | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4723 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
if i recollect , rama was led to swavayamvara by some maharshi..and when he breaks shivadhanassu.. he looks at maharshi for permission. He fulfilled his dharma towards his guru by marrying seeta. | ||
| Okahyderabadi Junior Artist Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 986 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 87.106.140.33 Rating: N/A |
nowhere in valmiki ramayana it is mentioned that Rama asked Sita to jump in to the fire. He just says and i am quoting the translation here "I, wanting for an honour, have done this particular act, which ought to be done by a man, in killing Ravana and thus wiping away the insult meted out to me. You have been won by me, whose mind stands purified by asceticism as the southern quarter, which was difficult to be approached by the world of mortals, was conquered by the Sage Agastya." "Let it be known to you that this endeavor in the shape of war, which has been successful carried through, due to the strength of my friends was not undertaken for your sake. Let there be prosperity to you! This was done by me in order to keep up my good conduct and to wipe off the evil-speaking from all sides as well as the insinuation on my own illustrious dynasty." "You, with a suspicion arisen on your character, standing in front of me, are extremely disagreeable to me, even as a light to one, who is suffering from a poor eye-sight. O Seetha! That is why, I am permitting you now. Go wherever you like. All these ten directions are open to you, my dear lady! There is no work to be done to me, by you." Hearing that unpalatable speech of her beloved husband, Seetha who used to hear pleasing words alone, was very much trembled for long, like a creeper attacked by the proboscis of an elephant and thereupon shed tears. Hearing the terrific words of her husband, which were never actually heard by her before, amidst a large gathering of people, Seetha stood bent low with shame. As though her own limbs were pierced by those words, which were arrow-like with pointed splinters, Seetha shed profuse tears. Then, wiping clean her face, which was bathed in tears, she spoke the following words slowly, in a stammering voice to her husband. "O valiant Rama! Why are you speaking such harsh words, which are violent to hear for me, like a common man speaking to a common woman? O the long-armed one! I am not the one in the way you understand me. Have a faith in me. I swear to you by my own character." Seetha, thus speaking, weeping and stammering with tears, said to Lakshmana, who was sad and engaged in thoughtfulness (as follows): "O Lakshmana! Create a pile of fire, for me, which is a remedy for this disaster. I no longer wish to survive, smitten as am with false blames. I will enter a fire, to obtain the only course appropriate for me, who has been abandoned amidst an assembly of men, by my husband who was not satisfied with my traits." Gods reach Lanka in aerial cars and approach Rama. They ask Rama why he ignores Seetha, when she is entering into the fire. Rama appeals them to describe in reality who he is. Brahma (the creator) proclaims his divinity and eulogizes him with hymns. Hearing the cries of these who were thus wailing, the virtuous minded Rama then became thoughtful for a while, afflicted as he was with melancholy, his eyes filled with tears. Thereupon, Kubera the King of Yakshas, Yama the lord of death together with the deceased ancestors, Indra the lord of celestials Varuna the lord of waters, the illustrious Shiva the great deity who bears the device of a bull as his banner and having three eyes, Brahma the creator of all the worlds and the best among the knowers of sacred knowledge all these together reaching the City of Lanka in aerial cars, shining like the sun approached Rama. Lifting their long arms, their hands decked with ornaments, those excellent gods thereupon, spoke (as follows) to Rama who stood there, making a respectful salutation to them with his folded hands. "How do you, the maker of the entire cosmos, the foremost among those endowed with knowledge and an all-capable person, ignore Seetha who is falling into the fire? How do you not recognize yourself to be the foremost of the troop of gods? Among the Vasus (a class of gods, eight in number), you are the Vasu, named R^itadhama (one whose abode is Truth or the Divine Law) who was formerly the self-constituted ruler, the first creator of all the three worlds and the lord of creatures." "You are the eighth Rudra among (eleven) Rudras and the fifth (Viryavan by name) among the Sadhyas (a particular class of celestials belonging to Gana Devata). The twin Aswinis are your ears. The sun and the moon constitute your eyes. O the destroyer of the adversaries. You are seen (to exist) at the beginning and at the end of creation. Yet, you ignore Seetha, just like a common man." Hearing the words of those guardians of the world, Rama, the lord of creation, who was born in Raghu dynasty and the foremost one among protectors of righteousness, spoke to those god-chiefs as follows: "I think of myself to be a human being, by name Rama, the son of Dasaratha. You, as a gracious Divinity, tell me that which I as such really am like this." that is his greatness . jagadabi ramudu sri ramudu }} | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 2805 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
Read below.. very interesting.. from: http://www.valmikiramayan.net/yuddha/sarga115/yuddha_115_pro se.htm Seeing that Seetha, who stood at his vicinity bowing low, Rama began to tell his feeling hidden in his heart (as follows): "You are won back by me, after conquering the enemy in the battle-field, my dear lady! That which is to be done through human effort, has been accomplished by me. I have come to the end of my indignation and my outrage has been completely requited as also the contempt against the enemy have been wiped out, all at once, by me." "Now, my manly strength has been seen by all. Today, my toil has borne fruit. Now, I have fulfilled my promise. Today, I am the master of myself. The wrong done to you, when you were deserted from me, in that you were taken away by a fickle-minded demon, which was ordained by the destiny, has been corrected by me as a human being." "What is the use of a prowess, however great, of that weak-minded man who does not wipe out, by his energy, the insult fallen to his lot? The praise-worthy act of Hanuma in the form of crossing of the ocean and the destroying of Lanka, has borne fruit today. The endeavour of Sugreeva, who exhibited his prowess on the battle-field with his army and tendered a good advice, is fruitful today." "Furthermore, the exertion of Vibhishana, who after deserting his brother who was void of good qualities sought my presence, is fruitful today.†Hearing those words spoken thus by Rama, Seetha with her eyes wide open like those of a female-deer, was bathed in tears. The heart of King Rama, as he saw Seetha, (the beloved of his heart) near him, was torn for fear of public scandal. In the midst of monkeys and demons, Rama spoke (as follows) to Seetha, whose eyes resembled the petals of a lotus, who wore dark curly hair and was endowed with fine hips. "I, wanting for an honour, have done this particular act, which ought to be done by a man, in killing Ravana and thus wiping away the insult meted out to me. You have been won by me, whose mind stands purified by asceticism as the southern quarter, which was difficult to be approached by the world of mortals, was conquered by the Sage Agastya." "Let it be known to you that this endeavor in the shape of war, which has been successful carried through, due to the strength of my friends was not undertaken for your sake. Let there be prosperity to you! This was done by me in order to keep up my good conduct and to wipe off the evil-speaking from all sides as well as the insinuation on my own illustrious dynasty." "You, with a suspicion arisen on your character, standing in front of me, are extremely disagreeable to me, even as a light to one, who is suffering from a poor eye-sight. O Seetha! That is why, I am permitting you now. Go wherever you like. All these ten directions are open to you, my dear lady! There is no work to be done to me, by you." "Which noble man, born in an illustrious race, will take back a woman who lived in another's abode, with an eager mind? While mentioning greatly about my lineage, how can I accept again, you who were harassed in Ravana's lap (while being borne away by him) and who were seen (by him) with evil looks?" "You were won by me with that end in view (viz. the retrieval of my lost honour). The honour has been restored by me. For me, there is no intense attachment in you. You may go wherever you like from here. O gracious lady! Therefore, this has been spoken by me today, with a resolved mind. Set you mind on Lakshmana or Bharata, as per your ease." "O Seetha! Otherwise, set your mind either on Shatrughna or on Sugreeva or on Vibhishana the demon; or according to your own comfort. Seeing you, who are endowed with a beautiful form and attractive to the sense, detained for long in his abode, Ravana could not have endured your separation." Hearing that unpalatable speech of her beloved husband, Seetha who used to hear pleasing words alone, was very much trembled for long, like a creeper attacked by the proboscis of an elephant and thereupon shed tears. | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7250 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
evaru chepparu andi idi? Life is a highway .. I want to ride it all night long .. | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1797 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234 Rating: N/A |
In that case he should have never married sita. he should have just stayed as brahmachari and ruled his kingdom. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4 | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 2804 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
Dont think so.. coz.. after Agni pariksha Gods appear and tell Rama that he is Divine.. Rama replies that he is just a Human.. | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4722 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
vaarni ala describe chesada valmiki? i didnt read valmiki ramayana brother all my knowledge is my childhood stories anthe.. | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4721 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
ide explaination manam mana actions ki apply chesukunte set kada brother.. because times have changed and different times demand different actions.. kakapothe ikkada yugam edayina dharmam anedi absolute anedi theme of disco. To say Rama never faced any ethical dilemma like krishna is not true anukuntunna.. Rama , much like krishna has faced many ethical dilemmas neverthless he stuck to actions which are simple unlike krishna. | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 2803 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
Its actually mind blowing.. Rama does not even look at Sita.. he says that he has killed Ravana and upheld the honour of his dynasty.. asks Sita to go whereever she wants.. OK.. lets say he thought of himself only as a King.. is that a good example for a King?? | ||
| Okahyderabadi Junior Artist Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 984 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 87.106.140.33 Rating: N/A |
well even though he knew he was god, he chose to play by the rules of humans the race in which he had taken birth. That itself is a qualification knowing your true self and yet undergo the punishment and the sacrifices that are part of a normal human being and that is what makes him great. | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1796 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234 Rating: N/A |
Well then he was never a perfect human being was he? why did we attribute godly status to him? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4 | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4720 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
i like to believe this way. Rama never suspected seeta.. he jsut did what he did to clear any doubts in people's mind if any regarding seeta... ramudu is all about prioritising his dharmas towards people and things ani anipisthundi naku. | ||
| Okahyderabadi Junior Artist Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 983 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 87.106.140.33 Rating: N/A |
yuga pravrutti ala untundi, satya yugam is totally god like society everybody are almost equal to gods except the asuras and there is dharma everywhere, treta yugam lo that reduced a little bit, dwaparam time ki the % of good vs bad has altered a lot and it required somebody like Sri krishna to establish the dharma. There is not a single episode where Sri Krishna resorted to an action which does not have an explanation and a reason and well within the bounds of dharma or with a precedence. Krishna being born as a human also had to incur the curse and had to pay for it. So the main purpose of Krishna avataram is to reduce the 'bhoomi bharam' as bhoodevi was full of people with sinful attitudes and there was a need for an avataram to reduce her agony. Let us take the discussion about Krishna and mahabharata in a separate thread about the other great epic. Lets keep this thread to discuss Ramayana and any issues related to it. | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 2801 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
Cheppalante.. Ramudu oka yuganni nilabedithe.. Krishnudu oka yuganni muginchedu.. I guess Mahabharata war was the most tragic.. Krishna could have avoided.. maybe he wanted that cycle to end.. we can excuse Rama for being a Human.. we cant do the same with Krishna... | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 2800 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
I guess Rama so completely Human.. so much so he was not free from Human fallible fallacies... | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7245 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
there is nothing like paradox .. different situations demand different ways of action-handling .. lakka intlo unna pandavulani kaalchese neeti Ramudu face cheyyaledu .. same way .. tanaki chellelu laanti Draupadi ni .. nindu sabha lo vastrapaharanam cheyyadam kooda prapancham lo antaku mundu ennadu jaragaledu .. aina kooda sisupaaludu, jarasandhudu laanti vaallaki ivvalsinanni chances ichadu .. Krishnudu Dharmam tappadam anedi eppudu jaragaledu ! oka normal human being laaga .. tanu chesina anni panulaki .. phalitam anubhavinchaadu .. tanu anukunnadi saadhinchaadu (Dharmanni nilabettadam/Manushulaki Gita saaram bhodinchadam ! ) Life is a highway .. I want to ride it all night long .. | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1795 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234 Rating: N/A |
Is suspecting his wife's chastity also part of his dharma? Why did he ask sita to enter that pyre? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4 | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4718 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
emochindi? society lo daiva bhakthi tagginda dwapara yugam oche time ki? | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4717 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
doesn it matter? the ultimate goal is to restore dharma.. ramudu oka example laga dharmanni nilabedithe krishnudu poorthi vyathierekam.. prathi action paradox ye.. | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 2798 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
Ravana can be killed only by a Human being.. so Rama is born a complete Human being... | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7241 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
vachindi ga .. as time evolved .. politics on earth took a turn for the worse .. Krishna had to be a politician to uphold "Dharma". Life is a highway .. I want to ride it all night long .. | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4713 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
ramudu emo simple ga thinker and almost all the time manaki ramudi actions artham ayithayi crystal clear gaa , ade krishnudi vishayam lo asalu anthupattadu.. too complicated vyakthi.. Iddaru Vishnu avatarale kani soch vichaar lo chala different why? thretha yuganiki dwapara yuganiki emantha change ochindi nature paramga krishnudu, dharmanni nilabettataniki antha complex path theesukunnadu? | ||
| Okahyderabadi Junior Artist Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 982 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 87.106.140.33 Rating: N/A |
ee website nenu regular ga follow ayye vadini http://atributetohinduism.com/ ippudu adi oka book ga vachindi and the website moved to http://www.hinduwisdom.info/ please read it when you have time, quoting one excerpt from there and linking here In the Vedic literature of India, there are many descriptions of flying machines that are generally called Vimanas. India's national epic, The Mahabharata, is a poem of vast length and complexity. According to Dr. Vyacheslav Zaitsev: "the holy Indian Sages, the Ramayana for one, tell of "Two storied celestial chariots with many windows" "They roar like off into the sky until they appear like comets." The Mahabharata and various Sanskrit books describe at length these chariots, "powered by winged lighting...it was a ship that soared into the air, flying to both the solar and stellar regions. http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Vimanas.htm | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 5388 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
kaka...flying object lo only a set of warriors are transported ...an elite brigade...taruvaatha cloned to make 1000s of such brigades...as I said cloning, embryo splitting konni english mythologies based movies lo unnai...may be some thing similar cud have happened...i might be talking from a pure fictional POV...but why cant it happen ?... | ||
| Okahyderabadi Junior Artist Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 981 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 87.106.140.33 Rating: N/A |
yes, valmiki ramayanam lo undi, in fact on the way back they pass through the areas where they lived before sita was abducted and descriptions are present. kamal tammi is right, 14 yrs have past and akkada 'bharata tammi' pratigna chestadu kada 14 yrs taruvatha ematram alasyam ayina agni lo dookestanu ani anduke they use pushpaka vimanam to go to ayodhya. Pushpaka vimanam belongs to Kubera who is half brother of Ravana. Ravanudu puttindi Vishrava ane muni and kaikesi , Vishrava ki already kuberudu ane koduku unnadu. Kuberudi rajyam Lanka actual ga, Ravana Kubera ni odinchi lanka and Pushpaka ni teesukuntadu. pushpakam was with ravana and came in to the hands of vibhishana only after Ravana was killed.
Maya civilization is an enigma, sudden ga in middle of nowhere this civilization came up and if you see there are lot of similarities in their culture with ours. PV Narasimha rao when he was alive actually gave a very big speech on this and wondered if they were our lost brothers who actually travelled here and got settled and emerged as a separate civilization. Lot of ideas in the medevial times in europe were borrowed from the Arabic world who in turn borrowed those ideas from their contact with the Indian subcontinent as they were travellers, traders and later plunderers of our wealth. As late as 320 BC itself alexander and his guru and others knew about bharatavarsha(sindu/hindu)
Rama in fact when the agni pariksha happens still considers himself human and decides to play by the rules applicable to humans. His intention in disowning Sita immediately after the death of Ravana is because of this. Once Sita is returned to him as agnipuneeta he accepts her because he has now proved to the world that she is as pure as fire. The idea that Rama disowned sita again due to the words of a fisherman is somewhat an anamoly. In fact Valmiki Ramanayam ends with Sita rama pattabhishekham and at the end of it I believe there is a sigh saying that 'abba ee maha kavyam appude ayi poyinda ani inka unte bagundu ani' . Different people have explained it in different ways. One commmon explanation is that Rama being the ideal king he interpreted the fisherman's words as a failure of himself as a king and he punished himself for that. If he were to actually believe those words he would have remarried but he did not and even to ward of the evils in his kingdom after that banishment of sita ( there was supposed to be a famine in his country) he performed the Ashwamedha yagnam but he used the 'bangaru sita' instead. | ||
| Parthasaradhi Junior Artist Username: Parthasaradhi Post Number: 416 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 160.254.108.24 Rating: N/A |
??? cloning ki flying object accommodating huge army ki relation ardham kaaledu. please elaborate. You take care of yourself. Time takes care of everything. | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7221 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
few hours ago .. I had a strange dream .. I am flying in the air .. and having a view of earth in hawk eye ! mere hands were enough to fly .. lol
sorry .. I am out of this ! Life is a highway .. I want to ride it all night long .. | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 2794 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
Plane like artifacts.. drawings have been found all over the ancient world from Egypt to Incas.. flying objects were part of every ancient culture.. whether they made them or they came from some where else is another question.. these timelines of few thousand years is just nothing when taken Universe as a whole... | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4711 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
Iliad is about greek-trojan war. The closest character in my view who can be compared to Rama can be Aeneas of Troy. Anyways Lets not divert this thread brother.. | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 5385 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
throw in the angle of cloning ( mythological kabatti)...why isn't possible to clone a varana warrior..they are foot soldiers right... i think cloning concept can be interpreted from the ancient texts of india, greece, mayan etc...emantaaru | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7219 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
avuna .. though nenu Greek Mythology chadavaledu kaani .. I had a greek friend who told me that "Illiad" is very similar to Ramayana when I told him the story .. but he said .. Ramayana is very beautiful and interesting ! Life is a highway .. I want to ride it all night long .. | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4710 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
Ramayana is unique brother.. mahabharatha has similarities to greek or roman mythology kani ramayana type lo vere cultures lo etuvanti literary work chudaledhu nen. | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7218 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
well .. as a poet well said .. mann se raavan jo nikaale .. Ram uske mann mein hein ani .. You cannot doubt Rama .. he did everything as per what needs to be done .. their roles are completed and they had to return and he had to establish Sita as the epitome of woman and he did that, indeed taking blame from the likes of us, mere mortals .. and Sitamma understands why Rama did what he did ! Life is a highway .. I want to ride it all night long .. | ||
| Parthasaradhi Junior Artist Username: Parthasaradhi Post Number: 414 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 160.254.108.24 Rating: N/A |
Modern day airplane is no match to 'pushpaka vimanam' which has unlimited seating. Anyone has any idea how this is possible??? It is said that lakhs of vanaras if not crores rode in pushka vimanam. How can a flying object can accommodate that huge army? You take care of yourself. Time takes care of everything. | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 2793 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
Chadavakapothene manchidemo.. after winning the war.. the behaviour of Rama towards Seetha is indeed very strange.. easy to blame that dhobi during that later incident.. but even before that dhobi incident Rama behaves strange leading to Agni pariksha.. makes you wonder if that dhobi incident is just a ruse... | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7215 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
ya .. thats ok bro .. also old Greek mythology had similar epics to Ramayana ! Life is a highway .. I want to ride it all night long .. | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4709 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
bedar... if you take mayan mythology , they too have a god who was parallel to our vishwa karma. many creations in mayan mythology are similar to our VK's creations except ee pushpak vimanam anedani gurinchi no discussion in mayan mythology anukunta.. so aa context lo adiga anthe. | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7213 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
lol .. adi nenu chadavaledu annai .. Life is a highway .. I want to ride it all night long .. | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 2792 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
Jules verne kurrod.. Around the world in eighty days.. Ramayanam ninchi copy kottedani na anumanam... | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7211 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
What I remember reading is .. Rama's exile (Vanavaas) was to complete exactly 14 years and they had very little time left ! The coronation of Rama had to be performed soon on the auspicious muhurtam and so they reached Ayodhya in Pushaka Vimanam ! The way Valmiki describes the things Rama shows Sita on their way to Ayodhya from Lanka is awesome. Also the welcome that they receive in Ayodhya was magnificent ! I guess every one should read Ramayana atleast once ! And no body mixed pulihora about "Pushpaka Vimanam". It is mentioned in Valmiki's version ! Life is a highway .. I want to ride it all night long .. | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 2790 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
Pushpakavimanam belongs to Kubera.. made to order by Viswakarma.. Ravana stole it from Kubera.. even these days only rich people own made to order.. lavish personal jets.. Rama wins and makes Vibhishana King.. Vibhishana sends his guests in that Plane.. but.. after dropping Rama it is returned to Kubera.. yes.. it is mentioned in Valmiki Ramayana.. Vimanas are a common place in ancient Indian literature... | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4708 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
Okahyd annai.. One question on rama's return to ayodhya.. it is siad(or atleast to my knowledge) that rama,lakshamana,seeta and all vanaras returned to main land from Lanka on a pushpakavimanam.. If that is true, then why didn they return to mainland via ram sethu bridge? or why didnt they go to lanka in pushpaka instead of constructing ram sethu? Inkoti pushpakavimanam gurinchi valmiki ramayanam lo nijanga mention cheyabadi undha leka mana modern day authors' yokka imaginery creation aa? If it was mentioned in original ramayana then i think we should take the credit of atleast conceptualizing the idea of airplane ani anukuntunna.. | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7186 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 71.239.184.202 Rating: N/A |
aa madhya Inca civilization gurinchi video choosanu .. appudu naa thoughts exactly same .. we have had so much of humanity live on this land .. I think in a way .. this could be the most continuous and heavily population "bhoomi" ever ! good thread ! Life is a highway .. I want to ride it all night long .. | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7185 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 71.239.184.202 Rating: N/A |
true with many cities/civilisations in India .. I wont add more ! Life is a highway .. I want to ride it all night long .. | ||
| Okahyderabadi Junior Artist Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 979 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 87.106.140.33 Rating: N/A |
Rama setu meeda unfortunately extensive research cheyaledu govt of india. so not much information is available except what we see in some of the surveys conducted very early, technology has improved so much that we can take up such a survey. ISRO should map the area from tamilnadu and other areas where Sangam literature says there were areas populated and which got inundated by the sea. ikkada koncham mahabharatam deggariki vellali though i wanted to cover this in another thread. mana desham lo unna vibhinna rajyala madhya enno antaryuddhamulu jarigayi, indraprastham according to some history I read was somewhere near the current day Delhi, I have read reports that some ruins near the purana khila show that area has been inhabited atleast for 2500 years. do you know that the current delhi itself has been built 7 times. it has been razed, destroyed 6 times before and a new city came up on the old ones. History says the original delhi was built by Raja Dilu in 1 century BC near the ruins of indraprastha. The period after mahabharata with most of the pandavas and kauravas dead except 9 left from the main one's the destruction of huge armies on both sides which had a combined strength of 18 akshauani's 1-Akshauani chariot soldiers - 21870 elephant soldiers - 21870 Horses with Soldiers - 65610 Foot soldiers - 109350 18 akshauhani's = 3931200 soliders more or less, this is almost a first/second biggest world war after Ramayana. We do not have the numbers recorded in case of Ramayana or they are not available but mahabharata numbers are documented. most of the bigger cities which are mentioned in texts have gathered in to ruins or have been rebuilt over with newer one's that have been again plundered or destroyed in successive foreign invasions. tavvukuntu pote each city will have huge layers of material to be found under it that belongs to older cities. varanasi oka chote tavvite ne harishchandra nati kalam vastuvlu dorike chances unnayi inka ala potu unte inkenno. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6668 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
} This makes sense and Dussehra celebrates the Mahishasura vadha.. Maybe they just merged Ravana vadha and Rama's return on to these festivities
Rama setu isuka, stones vesi kattaru antaru - so it is very difficult to ascertain if its a natural phenomenon or manmade... But what I find curious is inta pedda cities, inni palaces mentions unnayi - where are the archaeological proofs of the existence of these palaces and structures in the current day India ...dwaraka okati submerged but what about Indra prastha, hastinapur, Ayodhya...there are some ancient remnants of pottery found anukunta but nothing more that that - where did these huge megapolises disappear ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Okahyderabadi Junior Artist Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 977 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 87.106.140.33 Rating: N/A |
The existence of the 'Rama Setu' is a major controversy that has been hitting the headline and being supported of negated by the believers and non believers alike depending on which side we are. Konta mandi janalu adi geological formation ani, adam's bridge ani inka edo ani, konta mandi ade Rama setu ani argument. I madhye Tamilnadu govt Setu ledu tokka ledu ani govt of india ki report submit chesindi to go ahead with the Setu project to dredge the 'formation' so that it can reduce the distance the ships have to travel. deeni meeda konni links. let us discuss this http://veimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/3365/SriLanka.A2002140.0510.25 0m.jpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwwoeZrm22I&feature=player_em bedded http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2008/5/28116_space.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam%27s_Bridge | ||
| One Hero Username: One Post Number: 15674 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 192.76.54.23 Rating: N/A |
ohh k thanks ...... | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Side Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 7722 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.30.2.223 Rating: N/A |
ante bc lo numbers reverse untai kangaru padaku think numbers are reducing from some x by one till zero . Okkasari bala punjabi mattadinattu anipinchina lekkalu varaku pakka | ||
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| Okahyderabadi Junior Artist Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 976 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 71.170.131.231 Rating: |
deepavali celebrated in ashwayuja masam is explained by the Narakasura vadha rather than Sri Rama's victory over Ravana. | ||
| Okahyderabadi Junior Artist Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 975 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 71.170.131.231 Rating: N/A |
we should know that the calendar we follow today is the one that was actually officially signed off and implemented by vikramaditya the king of ujjaini much later in history and also that the traditions and sacred texts in those times were mostly transmitted word of mouth. there has to be an explanation somewhere for the discrepancy of 4 months or Deepavali is not connected with the return of Sri Rama back to ayodhya at all Deepavali is to celebrate the victory of Krishna and Satyabhama over 'Narakasura' who was killed in the battle in the 'Aswayuja masam'.} | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6667 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
That works way better
Yeah... calculation discrepancies w.r.t dates are possible depending on the calendar used to calculate back too... But still doubt undi and I understand there is no clear answer... Valmiki anta clear ga Phalguna amavasya ani chepte manamu Aswija/Kartika amavasya ki shift cheyyataniki there has to be some recorded history of that shift kada - or did someone just came up with a convenient date to celebrate and we are following that ...just like in US we celebrate all festivals on weekends irrespective of tithi aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Okahyderabadi Junior Artist Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 974 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 87.106.140.33 Rating: N/A |
chelli idi typo it should be Rama returns to Ayodhya 6th December 7292 B.C
gregorian calendar concept chala taruvatha vachindi. i think there was some adjustment added to the vedic calendar due to the changing planetory positions or change in earths axis which might have kept adding minutes/days to the calendar. A similar concept exists in the 'adhikha masam' where the difference of 365(solar) and 354(lunar) so a difference of 10 days due to which every three years a month is added to the calendar to offset the difference. Ilanti edo calculation undachu.
my objective is also same chelle, i dont profess to know everything we are all discovering the things and sharing the knowledge here and if i dont know anything i will learn from others} | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6666 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Please do not take it as questioning the calculations or research - I am trying to reconcile data in my mind - with what we have been told to what this data indicates aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6665 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: |
More questions Rama's Birth Date 4th December 7323 B.C Rama-Seeta Married 7th April 7307 B.C Rama Exiled 29th November 7306 B.C. Rama's age : 17 Ravana is killed by Rama 15th November 7292 B.C. Rama returns to Ayodhya 6th December 7272 B.C. Rama's age : 51 Rama's exile period : 34 years So was the exile actualy 34 years..not 14 ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6664 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
I can understand the shift in the Gregorian calendar from December to April given the difference in calculations - but why would it shift in the hindu calendar from Phalguna to Aswija ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Jalsa Side Hero Username: Jalsa Post Number: 9402 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 69.115.29.189 Rating: N/A |
wow!! monnaney steve correll, morgan freeman la bomma lo same concept. Noah's ark gurinchi kooda vinna. | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7123 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
nenu ekkado .. evaro ilage calculate chesi .. 10th Jan ani chadivaanu .. I remember the date bcoz .. it is my dad's birthday ! confusion confusion !!! Sach aur saahas hai jiske mann mein - anth mein jeeth usee ki rahe .. | ||
| Okahyderabadi Junior Artist Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 973 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 87.106.140.33 Rating: N/A |
The dates given in this thread a based on astrological calculations that were done by researchers (with whom I used to participate in some discussions earlier). Do you know the fact that Valmiki recorded the birth of Rama in Uttarayana in the Chaitra month, in the bright fortnight, on the ninth day, in the Punarvasu nakshatra, on a Monday and under Karka lagna. Valmiki further details the birth with various planetary positions in the zodiac : Sun in Mesha at 10 deg., Mars in Capricorn at 28 degree, Jupiter in Cancer at 5 deg., Venus in Pisces at 27 deg. and Saturn in Libra at 20 deg. These configurations are so unique that they have occurred only once so far in measurable history and this helps us to fix the important date, the birthday of Rama, as the 4th of December, 7323 BC. Due to the slow yet continuous precession of the Earth, Rama's birthday anniversary, celebrated as Ram Navami, has since shifted by about four months over a period of about 9300 years. there has to be a similar explanation for the deepavali also. } | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6663 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
typo .. ignore the second question aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6661 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6660 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Interesting. Phalguna amavasaya ki jarigite , Then why is Vijayadasami celebrated in Aswija masa - as the day Ravana was killed and Diwali on Kartika amavasya of his return to Ayodhya ? This is almost 4 months off the dates you suggested .. Any ideas on the disparity ? and Rama declared victory ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1790 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.235.198 Rating: N/A |
OK Ok, you guys carry on...going to avatar, will see how he resembles rama! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4 | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1789 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.235.198 Rating: N/A |
Astrologically predicted dates emanna vunnaya for vedas? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4 | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6659 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Same stories told in different forms BTW- another wild theory -this is my son's that when Atlantis drowned - humans evolved into dolphins - and that if we can learn their language all secrets will be revealed His question is there is no explanation for highly intelligent mammals to live in the sea - descendents of matsya -avatara ??? Sorry did not mean to divert your flow - we like to have fun with philosophy in our family throwing out ideas
 Aa annihilation powers only CCDB mods ki untayi na lantivallaki kadu aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ruj Junior Artist Username: Ruj Post Number: 735 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 24.118.242.233 Rating: N/A |
 yep exactly..idhe ayyuntundhi.. | ||
| Ruj Junior Artist Username: Ruj Post Number: 734 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 24.118.242.233 Rating: N/A |
yep exactly..idhe ayyuntundhi.. | ||
| Okahyderabadi Junior Artist Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 971 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 87.106.140.33 Rating: N/A |
Nee theory ni Nehru Discovery of India lo chala baga rasadu anukunta all subsequent publications picked up this story. Nenu in this thread as well as inko thread (karna - arjuna thread lo) vjvasi ki cheppina interesting part ide. There is a parallel part to the vedic literature we know of here in the persian world ( AVESTA). We need to draw comparision about it in a separate thread. The seat and expanse of vedic culture is not restricted to the current 'bharat' as we know but extended well beyond in the current day middle east, russia, eastern europe and other places. Let us stick to Ramayana discussion in this thread, we can have separate thread for Mahabharatam and discuss the issues there. } | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6658 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: |
Only if you have all timelines calculated in the same framework - you will be able to project sequence... Common belief is Vedas-Ramayana- Mahabharata Buddhism timelines are fairly concrete as post Vedic. If the timelines given in this thread are correct - maybe there is a different dating for the Vedas too ... or simply the vedas were agnostic of the Ramayana & Mahabharata - due to locational disparity So Getafix's question is interesting aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Okahyderabadi Junior Artist Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 970 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 87.106.140.33 Rating: N/A |
Vedas are timelined 4000-800BC na. This is very wrong and unfortunately this is mostly due to the issues in the academic world where there is a huge drive to show that our religion is not as old as it is and there have been other religions/civilizations in the west which were older. vedas predate Ramayana and even before that. Firstly there is no known author of Vedas. Veda vyasa only performed the task of splitting the vedas Vedas were supposed to have been born by a mistake committed by Brahma. Vedas were conceived and meditated upon by Brahma all the time. After one creation cycle Brahma was said to have been tired and yawned, the vedas flew out of his mouth. Madhu & kaitabh who were two asuras were nearby and they steal the vedas and dump it in the ocean. Brahma cannot continue his creation without vedas so he prayed to Vishu who in form of hayagriva kills the asuras and retrieves the vedas ( vishnu ki madhu sudhana ane peru anduke, in fact even in his suprabhatam you can hear these words) Another anecdote is If you recall the Avataram's of Vishnu, in the matsya avataram saves vedas from being destroyed by Somakudu. The concept of Matsya avatara is very similar to the 'great deluge' and the entire concept of Noah's Ark is literally borrowed from here. In our matysa purana it is recorded that Vishu in form of matysa falls in to the kamandalam of King Satyavrata and then proceeds to kill Somukha to retrieve the vedas and also inform him that there is a huge pralayam going to happen and that he should gather all living species and a huge boat is going to approach and that he should put all the living species on that and the lord will save them.(SOUNDS VERY FAMILIAR isnt it?) } | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1788 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.235.198 Rating: N/A |
My theory is that a prototype story of ramayana might have happened during earlier rig-vedic samhitha times i.e. around 2000 BC because sage vishwamitra was mentioned as one of the authors of earlier hymns. Coming to bharatha, it might have happened during later Rig-vedic times. From early literature it appears that the story of Mbh was known to people by 450-600 BC. In Vedic literature, are found names such as parikshit, zantanu, devapi and janamejaya which are also names of characters in Mbh. But the mere mention of such names cannot authenticate Mbh, as many persons with similar names abound hindu mythology. There is also the mention of vyasa parazara (to whom tradition ascribes the Epic to), as the arranger of vedas; but not the names of pandavas, krisna, hastinapura or indraprastha. However, it seems unlikely that an epic of such great proportions was the result of pure imagination of mind. Since the entire Epic revolved around a great war, there is a possibility that the Epic is actually an exaggerated version of a small battle which may have taken place during the Vedic period. And that battle is known as "the battle of ten kings" as mentioned in Rig Veda. Its a very interesting story. Btw, anand pinni ni thidithe nenu bathiki batta kattagalanaa? she will annihilate me with her meditative powers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4 | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4702 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
vammo apologies enduku..no..no.. i understood what you were saying in that post and my bad i almost hijacked the thread.. inka ROM mode vishayanii osthe - naaku ramayanam lo ramudu,seeta,laxman and ravan inthe telusu inka time frames gurinchi em disco chestha..anduke i tolded i will be in rom ani. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6656 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: |
Anta extreme measure avasaram ledu- I apologise for the harshness - idi inko secularism/hindutva debate avutundi ani
Naku bhi same doubt Ishan aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Razesh Moderator Username: Razesh Post Number: 26476 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
"Ramudiki seetha emavuthundhi" by arudra book sadhivaaraa eeda janaalu | ||
| Ruj Junior Artist Username: Ruj Post Number: 733 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 24.118.242.233 Rating: N/A |
tittara pogidara.. | ||
| Ruj Junior Artist Username: Ruj Post Number: 732 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 24.118.242.233 Rating: N/A |
hmm deenigurinche naa sandeham..Vedas Predate Ramayana antaru..kaani Vedas timeline teesukunte meeru chepinattu around 5000-800 BC vastundhi..ramayana 7300 BC..ledha inka daani kanna mundu ayyundali tappa daani taruvatha ayye avakasam ledu..so Ramayana happened much before Vedas came into picture anukovacha? alage mahabharatamlo vedas ref undaa? or vice versa? | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1787 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.235.198 Rating: N/A |
Your face cut is like boot cut. Asalu anand pinni range ekkada naa range ekkada? mohan babu ki mahesh babu ki unnantha theda undi. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4 | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4699 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
thanks oka hyd and ishan brothers. okahyd annai.. lets save bjp and other things for another thread.Dont want to divert the topic going on in this thread. | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1786 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.235.198 Rating: N/A |
Most important problem here is the time line of ramayana. If the timelines mentioned here (i.e. ~7300BC) are correct, why was the story not mentioned concretely in vedas which date any where from 4000-800 BC? But, assuming that hinduism started from the time of vedas and ramayana pre-dates vedas or contemporary to them, it is safer to say that no other religion existed at that time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4 | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4698 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
Anand.. I am only trying to apply history and mythology to answers some questions we have currently.. hehe.. anyways I understand your point.. from here on, i will be in rom mode in this thread. | ||
| Jalsa Side Hero Username: Jalsa Post Number: 9400 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 69.115.29.189 Rating: N/A |
adeti annai nuvvu istunnavu anukunna company | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1785 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.235.198 Rating: |
Babai garu, that explains your patience . Anand pinni inni rojulu lonely ga undevaru aa age group la, now she got company.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0yBqtOhj4 | ||
| Ford Junior Artist Username: Ford Post Number: 865 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 24.34.24.3 Rating: |
Vammo.. enti eee thread.. itta undi.. Papayya | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6654 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
OK annai - you win Timeframes vere thread veste it will remain a little more objective with discussion of historical timelines and evidences. Mythology ade thread lo kalipite people get emotional- ofcourse, flipside is it keeps the threads from archiving aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Okahyderabadi Junior Artist Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 969 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 87.106.140.33 Rating: N/A |
sorry andi, i am 1965 born not sure if you are older than this yes I have the calculations somewhere in my research will post it shortly in Mahabharatam thread. | ||
| Okahyderabadi Junior Artist Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 968 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 87.106.140.33 Rating: N/A |
i meant king ..
BJP di political opportunism plain and simple. If they were serious about it they should have put everything aside and gone for the construction but they bring it up every now and then for their vote bank politics they have become no worse than Congress and other parties who bring up the minorities plank each time they need votes. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6653 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
You are welcome wrong gender and I am most likely older than you Mahabharatam timelines calculate chesara ilaga - do you have those timeframes ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Okahyderabadi Junior Artist Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 967 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 87.106.140.33 Rating: N/A |
thanks a lot tammi, i will buy this one and check it out.
firstly manam recognize cheyalsindi, hinduism anedi religion anedi misnomer, its sanathana dharma or vedic tradition. According to vedic tradition it was believed that the whole world was 'vasudaika kutumbam' and also "Ekam Sat Vipr ha Bahudh Vadanti" which means truth/god is one there are many ways to achieve it. According to the known literature there are no known reglions older than ours however vedic/hinduism is mostly about worshiping the nature in its purest form if you see rig veda you will understand more about this. I am not sure about your question of Buddhism, that religion itself was born few hundred years before Chirst and was an offshoot of Hinduism. Kind Siddharta was the son of kind suddhodhana who was well versed in the sacred texts of those times, however as it is today the society was greatly polarized due to the caste system and he just got dejected and we know that Buddhism was born. Information available shows Siddhartha was influenced by the prevalent thoughts existing at that time - Vedic, Jainism to come up with the 'New way of life - Buddhism'. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6651 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
 another good thread down the same old drainaa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4697 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.236.147.253 Rating: N/A |
le bedar..ramarajyam is "the" template to follow for any secular sovereign state ani naa yokka belief... anduke aduguthunna... ofcourse BJP basic theme ni hijack sesi ramudini one dimensional ga project sesindhi ani kuda feeling nen. | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 7117 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
AFAIK .. NO ippudu Raamudu seclarizm standards ki disqualify avutaada? Sach aur saahas hai jiske mann mein - anth mein jeeth usee ki rahe .. | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 4696 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.236.147.253 Rating: N/A |
didnt read entire thread but i have a question on ramarajyam.. Ramudu King ga unnappudu, hinduism kakunda migitha religions emanna unnaya? As per my meager history knowledge..there is mention about buddhism from siddhartha's time. Is there any evidence that there were any other religion before buddhism? | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6645 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Ninna Bal Gangadhar Tilak - Orion availability gurinchi adigaru ..looks like it is available on ebay..check this link out- you will have to copy paste the entire link http://cgi.ebay.com/Orion-:-Bal-Gangadhar-Tilak-(Paperback,-2007)_W0QQitemZ341363037109QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ 20100116?IMSfp=TL100116037003r21876 aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1710 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.199.90 Rating: N/A |
interesting information post chestanu annaru on vedic culture outside indian subcontinent | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6643 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Very well said - and just like us every culture believes the same ...Till everyone can put down their "culture egos" and approach it academically it will be a supremacy argument
True - Two years back Gatha punyama antu - learnt how much Avesta has in common with Rig Veda
I've said this many times in this DB, and it does not go down well,because for most people the thought that the seat of vedic culture may not have been anywhere near current day India is almost blasphemous... There are various references to geographical conditions in the scriptures that are a reality closer to the poles than the equator we are today. Like the six month day (Uttarayana) and six month night(Dakshinayana) of the devas ... Or the path of the Sun described in the Srimad Bhagavatam.I recall reading it describes a circular path around the horizon - this again occurs only at the poles.
Yesterday I mentioned I have a theory that's been brewing in my head for some time - Currently all I have is tidbits of information gathered from different places.. no serious research..so purists can ignore this This are my wild and crazy ideas ...I am sure someone thought of them before but I like solving my own puzzles Pole shift : Movement of geographic poles causes what is probably described as "pralaya" in our literature as the apocalypse or great deluge in the others... If we want to stick to the geographic locality of the vedic scripture to current day India - is it possible that the geographic pole was at one time closer to India ? Mt.Kailash is quoted to be the Meru, the axis on which the ocean was churned... was it a pole , the axis round which the earth turned ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
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ee book lo mention chesadu aa episode http://www.exoticindiaart.com/book/details/IDI044/ Ahi- Mahiravana carries Rama and Laksmana to Mahikavati at the command of Ravana 155 (a) Hanuman proceeds to Mahikavati- meeting between Hanuman and Makaradhvaja 157 (b) Meeting between Hanuman and Makari; entry of Hanuman in the temple of the goddess 159 (c) Ahi-Mahiravana move Rama and Laksmana in the temple of Bhadrakali, Rama adores (Hanuman) - the goddess; Hanuman takes to his original form 161 (d) Killing of Ahiravana and Mahiravana 163 (e) Candrasena reveals to Hanuman, the reason for Mahiravana's taking many forms and the remedy for his death | ||
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I heard this n infact when I went to Dwaraka I heard that there is a Temple of Hanuman's son near by in Bet Dwaraka naku nidra vastundi, repu detailed ga na Dwaraka visit trip gurinchi oka thread estaa | ||
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http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ Ramayanam motham undi ee websitelo.. | ||
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i couldn't find any link now....but i read this story in chandamama book...adi kuda ramayanam episodes lone vesadu..90's chandamama lo definitega untundi according to chandamama, Mairavana is a demon king...rama lakshamanulani bandhinchi he tried to offer them as a sacrifice to evil godess....hanuman with the help of vedavati saves rama and laxmana....appudu vedavathi ki raamudu oka varam ichadu...and story goes like this.... ee story meeda oka movie kuda undi...i couldn't recollect the name...ee movie lo vedavathi and makara dwaja (son of hanuman,a fish carries hanuma's sweat and gives birth to a boy) episodes unnayi | ||
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Ledu. This is something I have not heard about or read any where. can you point your sources or if it is in a movie can you provide the name? I will research it. | ||
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thanks for the detailed descritpion... Vedavathi gurinchi diff version kudaa vinna...vanavasam time lo Ravanudi tho yuddam chese mundu...MAIRAVANUDI vadha tharvatha...Vedavathi ane ammayi Ramunni pelli chesukomani adigindi ...appudu Hanumanthudu ame Ramudi kosam vesina hamsa thulika thalpam pai sukhsma roopam lo undi danni break chesi apasakunam ayyela chestadu....tharvatha Ramudu thanu Eka pathni vrathudini kabatti kalikalam lo vedavathi pelli chesukuntanu ani maata isthadu... ee episode ramayanam lo unda leda? | ||
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abrahamic religions ki mundhu world wide vundedhi ani anukuntunna in some form or other....veeti annitlo common feature surya aradhana | ||
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Wasdup rujjaiiii | ||
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manam rakshasulu ani namme valani vaalu devulu ga poojinche varu anta..alage mana devulu indra, agni etc( siva,vishnu kaadu.) ni vaalu rakshasulu ani poojinche valu anta..entha varaku nijamoo naaku telidhu kaani naak telsina aynaa cheppadu...ayanaki ituvanti vaati medha machi pattu undi.. | ||
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tammi nuvvu cheppe anni points ki ok scientific circles lo everything is based on proof. mana concept of yuga etc ani look pretty good however unless we have some way of proving that it is true we cannot claim authenticity to the information except believe it in our heart. Academic/scientific circles lo there is a battle going on to prove their culture /region as the one where civilizations existed and predated everything ani. asalu tamilnadu nunchi south ki velte there are huge tracts of land that got submerged under the india ocean after the last deluge. mana vallu ocean floor ni map cheste anni bayata padatayi. alane along the coasts of major countries there are major submerged areas (including dwaraka). Earth anedi is undergoing constant change geologically and unfortunately today's science believes or is based on proof rather than belief's. original iranians (avesta followers) ki manaki ekkado pedda link undi, it is told that they are part of the same vedic tradition that got separated from us some thousands of years ago ani. asalu we are all thinking that this is the seat of our culture however it is quite possible that our vedic culture spanned all the way to Russia and other places including turkey and others areas. I will post some interesting information here tomorrow. I need to break for today and have some dinner and spend time with my family | ||
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konchem sincere ga telusukovali anukune vallaki convincing ga vundataniki itlanti analysis konthavaraku vupayoga padayi emo...still i doubt...chala mandhi indic civilization meedha prejudice to ne vuntaaru...vallaki entha analyze chesina ekkadhu...aina westerners ki manam ramayana, mahabharat proofs enduku ivvali...our civilization itself is proof of their historical veracity...ee proof business tone we are loosing plot to western conspirators and their counterparts in india....if something comes up in the support of their happening in history then it's fine...but we should assert them as history until somebody shows irrefutable evidence instead of bogus theories | ||
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tradition prakaram ramayanam ee mahayugam lo jaragaledhu ani antaaru...ee maha yuganiki 1-2 mahayugas mundhu jarigindhi ani chadivinattu gurthu....so approximate number cheppa
so ippudu gemome theory human history gurunchi kooda cheptunnada...monna migration gurunchi edo article chadiva ...deeni meedha konchem lite veyyandi...aina ippudu vache incomplete theories ki fit cheyyataniki yuga cycle ni enduku manipulate cheyyali brother....i am not saying we should take everything literally....but antha clear ga timeline mention chesinappudu enduku danini as it is ga teesukokoodadu....
time lo venakki velli choosi rasivundavachu kadha....bhoota, bhavishya, vartamana kalalanu choose concept mana tradition lo vundhi kadha
sampoorna ramayanam movie choosara....bapu chala matuku nyayam chesaadu | ||
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inkokati entante, literary gani scientific community lo gani there is a constant effort to show that the western civilizations are more ancient and advanced than others ani. Ikkada manaki teliyanidi entante oka 5000 years back geology etla undedi anedaniki anni circumstantial evidence matrame undi. oka pyramid gani leka pote Manchu Pichu lo dorikina skeletal remains or artifacts etc. The only way we can show some proof of any occurance of Ramayana or Mahabharata currently is through Astronomical evidence as such given in this article. If we thin 7500 is not old enough we need to find out when the exact combination of the same type of astronomical alignment was possible in a previous cycle and suggest that date. At the end of it all that matters is some proof which we can show like the others which we dont have right now. So even in academic circles today everybody says Mahabharatam might have been a possibility but Ramayana is just a ballards story ani or some kind of imagination. If we could prove setu is man made it is a proof greater than anything, unfortunately we have no way of proving it right now and with the dredging the center is following and tamilnadu govt supporting it we might lose that heritage for ever. who know whats there we might lose | ||
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2700000 ki ela fix ayyaru? ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------ seems unlikely endukante human genome theory prakaram chusina kooda ekkada time line fit avadu paina timeline lo. anduke practical timeline ni teesukovali manaki prastutam unna knowledge tho. indakati thread lo yuga recalculation ki kotta theory vesindi andukane. genome prakaram kooda human form evolve ayindi pretty recent history lo geological time chooste. ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- maha yuga taruvata pralayam concept ni follow ayite, 4320000 taruvata there should be a pralayam where everything is smashed and start new, if we follow that then there will be no body to record or know ramayana and write about it. mana movies lo ramayanam is totally corrupted except the grand plot. If we still want to discuss let us discuss. | ||
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if mythology is to be believed sita was ayonija, not born of a woman. she was none other than vedavati who burnt herself in yoga fire when Ravana tried to force her and Vedavati was the grand daughter of Brihaspati as she is the manasaputri of sage Kushadhwaja who is brahma's son, and he decides to give Vedavati in marriage none less than Vishnu. But in his lifetime, it is an unfulfilled desire. Then Vedavati starts a rigorous penance to achieve her father's wish. When she is at her culmination point of her penance, Ravana, passing that way in sky sees this beautiful lady disturbs her penance. According to texts he grabs her hair. Vedavati coming out of her meditation, curses Ravana saying that she will reincarnate herself, to destroy Ravana and his entire dynasty. Then she causes a yogic fire and immolates herself in it but ravana carried her ashes in a box to Lanka thinking it is a maya and will somehow come back to life. The ashes turned in to a baby girl and the box lives in lanka for 9 months. Mandodari realizing what has happened gets the box thrown in to the water. The box made it to mithila where she was subsequently discovered by Janaka. ikkada scene enti ante, Ravana brahma ( he is pulastya's grandson), pulastya himself is the manasaputra of brahma and one of the 10 prajapathi's and one of the saptarishi in the first MANVANTARA. in course of time he performs penance to brahma and gets amrutha bandam near nabhi and prays to shiva and he gets the chandrahasam and 10 heads. i think due to his penances or yuga dharmam he is almost immortal except that he forgot to take exemption from Humans. cut cheste, ravanudu savali ante human form, vadi ayushu taggalante edo oka upayam undali, anduke vedavati episode. it is said that the time the box with vedavati's ashes in lanka reduced ravana's ayushu by substantial time. so per this account Sita is older than rama by many years. I have not come across any information about this though. | ||
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vinudu vinudu ramayana gadha - lava kusa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCvGRSzDVnw&feature=related Jayajayaram jagadabiram - lava kusa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXV_8D3Us60&feature=related sree ramuni charitamunu telipedamamma http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6MQfUklh8Y&feature=related | ||
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rama kadha vinarayya song - lava kusa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lvVNCHhAt0 | ||
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Angada rayabharam scene - sampoorna ramayanam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCYSz3SQppE&feature=related | ||
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varadhi katte scene - sampoorna ramayanam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMnQOHWAMeU&feature=related | ||
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Dialogue between ravana and hanuman in ravana's assembly - sampoorana ramayanam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FirQQSt1xNE&feature=related | ||
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUk6g8di8EA hanuman's flying to lanka - sampoorna ramayanam | ||
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brother ramayanam jarigindhi treta yugam lo kadha..oka vela vishwamitra eqinox ni shravan to lekka vesina..adhi 7500 B.C appude chesadu ani guarantee emiti...daniki mundhu kooda aa equniox shravan star tho coincide ayyi vundavachu kadha...oka pakka yugas span antha clear ga mention chesinappudu ee 7500 B.C ni enduku select cheyyali..i think ramayan is millions (2700000) years old.....ee date fixing kante ramayan story discuss cheyyatam better emo brother | ||
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i heard she is 1 year older than rama..nijama? | ||
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when is sita's birth date? | ||
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Friends as promised here is the thread on Ramayana, please do share your thoughts here. Let us have this discussion with a view to share information and learn more rather than argument. Calculations currently for Ramayana based on different calculations. This is based on material collected from various sources(repeat from other thread) Calcutation on Ramayana ----------------------- Following are the dates of few events from the Ramayana according to the theory given in this post: I will post the details below that on how this was arrived at Rama's Birth Date 4th December 7323 B.C Rama-Seeta Married 7th April 7307 B.C Rama Exiled 29th November 7306 B.C. Hanuman enters Lanka 1st September 7292 B.C Hanuman meets Seeta 2nd September 7292 B.C. Seetu (Bridge) built 26-30th Oct. 7292 B.C on the ocean The War begins 3rd November 7292 B.C Kumbhakarna is killed 7th November 7292 B.C. Ravana is killed by Rama 15th November 7292 B.C. Rama returns to Ayodhya 6th December 7272 B.C. Details on probable calculations: I am referring to Mahabharata as base year because more or less the date is agreed upon with the current evidence calculated by various methods. Mahabharata states that rishi Vishmamitra started started counting nakshatras from Shravana (Aadiparva A.71 and Ashwamedha A.44) and a new reference to time measurement thus initiated. According to the old tradition, the first place was assigned to the nakshatra prevelant on the Vernal Equinox. Vishwamitra modified this and started measuring from the nakshatra at the Autumnal Equinox. Sharvan was at this juncture at about 7500 B.C, which is therefore the probable period when Vishwamitra existed and also that of the Ramayanic Era. Vernal Equinox ante An event that occurs once a year, when the Sun reaches a point in the constellation of Pisces known as the First Point of Aries. As the Earth orbits the Sun, its poles always point at fixed positions in the sky. The north pole points toward Polaris (the Pole Star), while the south pole points towards the constellation of Octans. The planet's orientation is fixed relative to the stars, subject to a long slow change over the millennia known as precession. This fixed inclination means that, as the Earth travels around the Sun, each pole is sometimes angled towards the Sun, and sometimes angled away. From the Sun's perspective, the Earth 'tilts' backward and forward each year, and it is this 'tilt' that causes the seasons Formerly, the year initiated with the Varsha-Rutu (season) and therefore was termed "Varsha". Ramayan shows that the flag was being hoisted to celebrate the new year on Ashwin Paurnima (Kishkindha 16/37, Ayodhya 74/36). Ayodhya 77 mentions that the flags were defaced and damaged due to heat and showers. These descriptions point to the fact that their new year started on the Summer Solstice when heat and rain simultaneously exist. The Summer Solstice fell on Ashwin Full Moon, so the Sun was diagonally opposite at Swati nakshatra. This astral configuration can be calculated to have occured around 7400 B.C. Kishkindha khanda 26-13 describes the commencement of the rainy season. In shloka 14, refers to Shravan as "Varshika Poorva Masa". Kishkindha 28/2 clearly shows that the rainy season began in Bhadrapada Masa. Further description "Heated by the Sun and showered by new waters, the earth is expelling vapours" (Kish.26/7) points to Bhadrapada as premonsoon. Kish.28/17 tells that there was alternate sun-shine and shadowing by the clouds. Kish.28/14 describes the on-coming rainy season. Thus Bhadrapada was the month of pre-monsoon, that is before 21st June or Summer Solstice. Naturally, months of Ashwin and Kartika formed the rainy season. It is therefore concluded that Ashwin Full Moon coincided with Summer Solstice, that year being 7400 B.C. Rama started forest-exile in Chaitra and ended it in Chaitra. He was coronated in the same month and one month later, proceeded to Ashokavan with Seeta (Uttar 41/18) when the Shishira Rutu terminated. So it seems that Vaishakha Masa coincided with Shishira. So the Winter Solstice was at Vaishakha with the Sun at Ashwini. At present, the Winter Solstice takes place at Moola. Thus a shift of 10 nakshatras has occured since the Ramayanic Era. Precession has a rate of 960 years per nakshatra. Therefore, Ramayan must have occured 9600 years ago, which is 7600 B.C approximately. Sri Rama's date of birth: ------------------------- Now we shall proceed with the astral route. Valmiki records the birth of Rama as Chaitra Shuddha Navami (9th), on Punarvasu Nakshatra and five plants were exalted then; Sun in Mesha upto 10 deg., Mars in Capricorn at 28 deg., Jupiter in Cancer at 5 deg., Venus in Pisces at 27 deg. and Saturn in Libra at 20 deg. (Bala Kanda.18/Shloka 8,9). Ayodhya 4/18 states that Sun, Mars and Rahu were at Dasharatha's nakshatra. It was the month of Chaitra, so the Sun was in Revati, Ashwini or Bharani. Naturally, either Rahu and Ketu was in any one of these nakshatra (Rahu and Ketu are diagonally opposite). The planetary positions on 16th October 5561 B.C., the date of commencement of the Mahabharat War, have been calculated and known [Dating of the Mahabharat, by Dr. P.V. Vartak]. Therefore, calculating further backwards for the astral combination noted above, the date concludes to be 4th December 7323 B.C. On this date, Saturn was at 205 deg., Jupiter at 94 deg., Mars between 283 and 298 deg., Rahu at 179 deg. and Sun at 2 degrees. 4th Dec. 7323 therefore is the date of birth of Rama, when the aforementioned 4 planets exalted. Venus is always within 47 degrees from the Sun, and might be in Pisces in an exalted state. Thus Rama's date is confirmed. Date rama went to exile: ------------------------ Rama completed 17 years of age (Ayodhya 20/45) and his coronation was fixed on Chaitra Shuddha 9th on Pushya day. However, he had to proceed to the forest on the same day, at the behest of Kaikeyi. At this time, Dasharatha states that Rahu, Mars and Sun were disturbing his nakshatra (Ayodhya 4/18). Calculating 17 years from Rama's birth date, the location of Mars can be determined at 303 degrees in Dhanishta nakshatra. From here, Mars casts its fourth-sight on Krittika. Rahu, after 17 years had been at 211 degrees in Vishakha, and so was in opposition to Krittika. Being Chaitra masa, the Sun was at Mesha and so it could be at Krittika. This the planetary positions agree with Valmiki's statement. Dasharatha's nakshatra appears to be Krittika. Valmiki has beautifully described the sky (Ayodhya 41/10), when Rama left for forest exile. He states, "Crux (Trishankhu), Mars, Jupiter and Mercury have cornered the Moon. Vaishakha and Milky Way are shining in the sky". Crux is on line with Hasta (Corvus) on the southern side. On the eastern side of Hasta, there are Chitra, Swati and Vishakha. As seen earlier, Mars was at 303 deg. in Dhanishta. Calculations show that Jupiter was in Poorvashadha at 251 deg. Pushya was at the western horizon with the setting Moon. On the southern side, from the west to the east, all the other planets were situated. So poetically Valmiki describes the sketch as if the Moon was cornered by the planets. The description of the sky, 17 years after the birth-date of Rama, is perfect astronomically. After 14 years of Rama's stay in the forest, Valmiki tells that Rohini was imprisoned (6-24-7, 6-93-60, 6-92-60), Mars marched on Rohini (6- 93-46 or 6-92-45) and mars was torturing Rohini (5-17-24 or 5-15-22, 5-19-9, 6-113 or 116-2). The bracketed seven statements show the vicinity of Mars with Rohini. Calculations reveal that 14 years later, Mars was at Ardra and was retrograde. Mars therefore moved in the reverse direction (from Ardra) to Rohini, resided at the "gate" of Rohini, thus in a way imprisoning the latter. It is to be noted that the constellation of Rohini is V-shaped. The apex of the angle points to the west and the two limbs towards east, and therefore appears like a "gate". Mars was situated in between the two limbs (or two doors) of the gate and appeared like a guard. Thus can the simile be explained. Amavasya (No Moon Day)comes 10.883 days earlier each successive year. 25th November 7323 B.C., 9 days before Rama's birth, was a Amavasya. In 17 years, the Amavasya shifted by 185.011 days backwards. It means that 6 Amavasyas (each 29.53 days) were completed and a shift of 7.8 deg. was noticed. The original Amavasya before Rama's birth took place at 353 deg. Deducting 7.8 deg. from it, we obtain 345 deg. as the position of this Amavasya which falls in the Uttara Bhadrapada nakshatra. Naturally, the next month was Chaitra, when the coronation was arranged on Pushya day at 104 degrees. One 'tithi' contains 12 degrees. So the moon was in Pushya on 29th November 7306 B.C., when Rama proceeded to the forest. Calculations show that this day was a Thursday, so said by Seeta as well(Ayodhya 26/9). Rama left for the forest on a Thursday, the 29th Nov. 7306 B.C. He completed the required 14 year period in the forest and returned on 5th Shuddha 9th was over, and the 5th tithi refered to must have been Chaitra Krishna 5th. Amavasya recedes by 10.883 days each successive year. So in 14 years it must have receded by 152.3 days. Deducting 5 Amavasya periods (29.53 days each), 4.7 days remain which implies that Amavasya came 4 days days earlier on 15th November 7292 B.C. Calculating backwards for 14 years from 29th November 7306 B.C, when the Amavasya was at 345 deg., the Amavasya falls at 340 deg. (receded by 4.7 days in 14 years). This is Uttara Bhadrapada, the month being Phalguna. Since the next month was Chaitra, Krishna 5th tithi happens to be 5th December 7292 B.C. when Rama entered Bharadwaja Ashram Hanuman's visit to Lanka: -------------------------- Hanuman set out to Lanka in the hopes and mission to search for the kidnapped Seeta. He reached this destination at night, roamed around a little until he located Seeta the next morning. While describing Hanuman's return in Sunder Kanda (S.56 or 57 /1/2), Valmiki states using a simile of sea to the sky: " The Moon was attractive like a lotus, Sun like a good crane and a span from Pushya to Shravana was seen. Punarvasu appeared like a big fish, Mars like a crocodile, Airavata like an island and Swati like a swan." Even though a poetic simile, Valmiki provides a plot of the nakshatras from the west to the east. When Hanuman started from Lanka it was early morning, because Seeta tells him to rest for a day in some hiding place (Sunder 56/3,11; 57/18). Since it was morning, the Sun was rising and appeared like a crane and the moon like a lotus. As both the moon and the sun were present simultaneously in the sky, it probably was a Paurnima (Full Moon Day) with the moon on the western horizon and sun on the eastern. The span of nakshatras streched from Pushya to Shravan, that is from 104 deg. to 281 deg. Punarvasu was also seen. Aairavat connotes an elephant, and it is possible that Scorpio was seen like an elephant showing its trunk. The span of nakshatra's from Punarvasu to Sharavan is seen early in the morning of Krishna paksha of Pushya Lunar month. Sun-rise could also be seen. Hence, most probably, Hanuman returned from Lanka of Pushya Paurnima or Pushya Vadya paksha. Hanuman had set out for Seeta's search after Ashwin masa as he himself says in Kishkindha 53/21,22. So he must have started the campaign in Kartika masa. One month, that of Margashirsha was spent in the cave of Swayamprabha. Some more time was spent in the search upto the South sea, after which Hanuman entered Lanka, possibly on Pushya Shuddha 14th. Thus it highly probably that he returned on Pushya Paurnima or Pushya Krishna 1st. Ravana had abducted Seeta in the season of Hemant (Aranya 16/1) and had given a period of 1 year, that is upto the next Hemant to consider marrying Ravana (Aranya 56/24, Yudh 12/19). Had Seeta not accepted this offer, Ravana would have killed her in Hemant. Hemant is composed of 2 months. Sunder 58/106 or 108 state that Seeta told Hanuman that only 2 months of her life remain, after which she will die. Seeta therefore must have conveyed this to Hanuman before Hemant began, that is, in the season of Sharad. Thus Pushya lunar month coincided with the season of Sharad. According to the above description, Mars was near Punarvasu and Pushya. It was noted that during the (Lanka) war, Mars was at 102 deg. in Pushya. Naturally, since Mars many a time becomes stagnant, Mars would have been near Punarvasu and Pushya two months earlier. The distance from Kishkindha (Vijayanagar to Hospet) to the centre of Lanka is about 600 miles. An army can travel about 20 miles a day, therefore accordingly, Rama's army would have taken a month to reach Lanka. Even assuming a pessimistic speed of 30 miles per day, Hanuman may have covered the distance in 20 days. Also, it is known that the army of Vaanar tribe were searching for Seeta in many directions, and therefore, may have taken 2 months to reach Lanka. This army had started searching for Seeta in mid-Kartika, and would have reached Lanka in mid-Pausha. The assumption that Hanuman returned from Lanka in the month of Pausha therefore appears to be reasonable. The Vanar army hurriedly returned to Kishkindha and could have spent 20 days in the interim and the date falls at Maagha Shuddha 5th. Rama marched to Lanka in one month and reached there on Phalguna Shuddha 5th (22nd Oct. 7292 B.C). Rama observes, "Today is Uttara Phalguni. Tommorrow when the moon will rise on Hasta, we will proceed to Lanka" (Yudh s.4). Probably on Magha Krishna 1st (2nd Oct. 7292 B.C), Rama commenced his journey and reached the shores of Lanka on Phalguna Shuddha 5th. Subsequent three days were spent before Rama could cross the sea. Phalguna Shuddha 8th ended. Thereafter, starting on the 9th, Nala built a temporary bridge (Seetu) within 5 days. On Phalgun Shuddha 14th (31st Oct. 7292 B.C), Rama's army crossed over to Lanka. On Phalgun Shuddha 15th, a full moon day, Rama positioned his army at strategic points and surveilled the territory from Mount Suvela (Yudh 38/18). Ravan also observed the approaching army from a tower, held a meeting with his ministers and deployed his army for defence. On Phalgun Krishna 1st (2nd November 7292 B.C.), Ravana arranged his troops at strategic points. War between Rama and Ravana ---------------------------- On Phalgun Krishna 2nd, Rama's army seiged the gates of Lanka. Angada proceeded as Rama emmisary on a peace mission to Ravana's court. However, any peace proposal was rejected by Ravana and the next day (Phal.Kr. 3rd), Rama-Ravana war commenced. The great war spanned 13 days and concluded on Phalgun Krishna Amavasya, with the death of Ravana. The very next day, Chaitra Shuddha 1st was celebrated as a Victory Day. This tradition still continues to be a New-Years's Day and is marked by hoisting flags. 15th November 7292 B.C was then Phalguna Amavasya. Valmiki states that Ravan came out for the last battle on the Amavasya day (Yudh. 93/66) and was killed. In the description of the battle, Sage Valmiki writes, "Kosala's nakshatra Vishakha is aspected by Mars" (Yudh. 103/37). The annual motion of Mars is 191.405 degrees. In 14 years, it will progress by 159.58 degrees. At the time of Rama's exile, Mars was at 303 deg. 159 deg. added to this provides Mars at 102 deg. in Pushya. From Pushya Mars could cast its fourth-sight on Vishakha. So, the calculations presented so far seem to be correct. It also shows Valimiki's minute observations and time recording capabilities. Thus the date of the last battle of the War is 15th November 7292 B.C let us look at all kinds of information available and try to see where we can end up |
