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Dharmam
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Rocky:

have been trying hard to understand ever since Chiru's debacle in the last elections and his party's decline ever since. Scores of leaders deserted him. If you notice YSR has fierce loyalty and also CBN.

What is the reason that Chiru does not have loyalty? If you look back and go little bit deep into Indian history, lots of Indian leaders suchas Gandhi, Nehru and even in post-independence times lots of leaders commanded solid loyalty from their followers. This loyalty has one significant trait. i.e. unconditional.

But now I realized to get loyalty you need to buy it. Yes. You need to buy the loyalty. I heard from lot of people that YSR helped people monetarily as well as in lots of other ways. Where as if you see Chiru, he is a honest and nice guy but when it comes to monetary help he is not that great. Also you need to help people with some thing tangible. That is how you buy the loyalty. No wonder lots of people are leaving him because they are not getting what they are looking.


Enduku tammudu Pawan & Nagababu ni d l edatannavu. Odipoyina daggaranunchi vallu malli address leru ante valla reasons vallki untayi
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Posted on Wednesday, January 13, 2010 - 08:19 pm:   Insert Quote Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Okadiki loyal gaa endukundaali.. bongulodi.. ani anaalani undi..
In this db, there's always someone watching you!!
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Relationships these days are either ones that you build over time and strong or the other kind - where they are dependent on some sort of need. I need this from you, so I will be with you.

Unfortunately a lot of people around Chiranjeevi are the second kind. Politics these days is not based on any ideals. When a person is out there to make the biggest buck in the shortest timeframe, he is not going to care about being loyal to Chiranjeevi or anyone else. ye endaki aa godugu type.

Of course, it doesn't help that chiranjeevi doesn't seem to pay any heed to those who mean well and care about the party/people.
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Kamal:

unconditional as long as the ideology is good




Having that condition is important :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Anand_n:

That is the most dangerous kind because there is no re-evaluation based on shifting ideals -unconditional loyalty essentially means you shut down your faculties of thinking and blindly follow oblivious of where you are being led




I thought .. unconditional as long as the ideology is good .. maa varaku .. faces/persons important kadu .. thats my meaning !
Sach aur saahas hai jiske mann mein - anth mein jeeth usee ki rahe ..
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Pulpfiction:

There is nothing like loyalty in politics.




people who vote / prefer on ideological lines .. there is lot of loyalty !
Sach aur saahas hai jiske mann mein - anth mein jeeth usee ki rahe ..
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Kamal:

maadi idi ..




:-) That is the most dangerous kind because there is no re-evaluation based on shifting ideals -unconditional loyalty essentially means you shut down your faculties of thinking and blindly follow oblivious of where you are being led :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Krishnamraju laantivaadki yetuvanti type loyalty ledhu.

Two times MP ani seppi BJP athanni Cnetral minister ni sesindhi. still BJP ni ditch chesi PRP ki jumpuu kottedu.

BJP lo vunna vodipoyevaadu. Kaani ippudu credibilty pgittukunnadu

Same with Devendra Gowd. He lost his credibility IN TDP
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Kamal:

maadi idi .. :D




you are talking about loyalty in Movies.

But, here we are talking about loyalty in politics.

In todays politics, 99.999% it is difficult to expect unconditional loyalty.
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Pulpfiction:

There is nothing like loyalty in politics.

It is only credibility that matters.




there is. i have seen people.. credibility leni people ki kooda loyal followers ni chusanu nenu. vallaki nachedhi inkokati edhoo untundi..
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There is nothing like loyalty in politics.

It is only credibility that matters.
Life is a marathon.Make each step a success.
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Kamal:

maadi idi ..




yep, NTR antee maaku kooda alage undedhi. But CBN antee alanti loyalty kadhu. conditional loyalty but payback anee confidence undhi..
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Risingstar:

Unconditional Loyalty chala rare cases loo untundi.




maadi idi .. :D
Sach aur saahas hai jiske mann mein - anth mein jeeth usee ki rahe ..
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naa exp and analysys prakaram..

Loyalty 2 types, conditional, unconditional.
Unconditional Loyalty chala rare cases loo untundi.
conditionl loyalty paying back meedha depend ayu untundi.. manam chupinche loyalty ki definite ga payback untundane faith untee ee loyalty chala years untundi..
thappulunte kshaminchandi
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Rocky,
Meeru PM kada - simple answer to your question -CBA...

People are loyal when they perceive benefits out of that loyalty - immediate or deferred..

These benefits could be
material - sops, rewards, you take care of me I will take care of you
intangible - like alignment of principles, goals and vision or affiliation

People will be loyal as long as they perceive that their benefits will be realised :-)

Rather than saying loyalty has to be bought, cos what you buy is an action, loyalty has to be earned and then sustained, by consistently delivering on expectations of those benefits...:-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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FYI - I talked to a lot of ardent Chiru's fans who put their blood for him. Pre PRP time and until around famous Parakala Prabhakar's resignation time, they were all very loyal to Chiru and spending at least 10 hours promoting Chiru.

Cut Cheste:

They all feel betrayed and humiliated by Chiru.

The above analysis is what I described from talking to all my friends who were his die hard fans.
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I think it is Chiru's Loyalty to Allu Arvind that is preventing everybody to be loyal to Chiru.


Here is why.

A person X would be loyal to Chiry when X thinks Chiru is going to take care of X when time permits. and until that time he keeps on serving Chiru.

He in this scenario, Allu Arvind stays away from party all the time except when the distribution of monitory benefits involved. (like ticket distribution etc in this case).

When it is that time, all of a sudden Allu compes in to picture and Chiru gives 100% control to Allu Bava. And Allu Bava works on his own equations and Chiru has no guts to give any input.

Please note that Allu Bava has no clue (or at least he acts that way) about the sacrifices people have done. And Chiru, who knows about all these people and their contribution is not at all involved in the monetary distribution.

So as a common Joe, There is no point for me to be loyal to Chiru. What is the point? Despite my efforts, I will be declined my fair share by Allu (in 99% possibility) and Chiru is not going to do anything about it. Chiru's loyalty to Allu Bava comes above everything in this world.


Regards to CBN and YSR: If I put my blood for them (personally or for party), I have more confidence of getting some benefit than putting the same efforts for Chiru.


Examples: Look at Pawan Kalyan and Naga Babu.

Why is he staying away from the party? Chiru does not even have balls to talk against Allu even to protect Pawan's interests.

For a common Joe, It is apparent that for the same reasons I described above, even Pawan got f****d up.

So, I better stay away from Chiru.
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Also bad times lo Nenunnanu ani sebithe entho dhairyam gaa vuntundhi manishiki

Mrugaraju failure tharuvaatha KDevivara Prasad mukham soodaledhantaaa

Bigboss debacle thruvaatha Vijayabapeeneedu ni thippisthaadu novie sethaanu. story soodamani. aa mathram story dorakadhaa seyyali antee

Jai CHiranjeeva emantha goppa story. alaage Andharivaadu


Manassunte margam vuntundhi. mari mansse lekapotheee

Idhi antha endhuku sebuthunnaa anteee annam vudikindo ledho soodaali antee oka methuku soosthe saalu
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Netra:




aa mathram basics thelisthe ee gola antha enduku?
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Netra:

.. fans ni mundhetti aayana enaka naduddamu anukunnadu..




At the same time tickets iche time vachetappatiki Cash parties ki mathramee annadu.

Also Chiru thana cine jeevitham lo eppudu fans ki cinema chesina dakaala ledhu..


That is Chiru
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Bunty717:

yes YSR and CBN angle loyality




do you really think that is the reason??? reddies lo YSR okkade anukunnava representative.. congress lo 60 mandhi unnaru.. ayina YSR ki loyalists 87 ninchi unnaru party lo irrespective of padhavi.. endho kotta vishayam kanipeduthunnave.. kammalu CBN ni nammara.. emi sesaadu aayana vallaki.. party cadre build chesukokundaa edho guddeddu sela paddattu antha naadhi anukunte saripodhu.. nammukunnaodini mundhundi nadipinchaali nayakudu ante.. PRP pettinaaka chiru ee roju chesaadu aa pani.. fans ni mundhetti aayana enaka naduddamu anukunnadu..
YSR AMAR RAHE
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Rocky,
PRP pettina modati rojulo TDP leader 55+ jump ayyaru. Poltiiciansd kavalsindhi HOPE loyality ledhu tokka ledhu. CBN kotagiri ki, devander goud ki chesinadaniki janma antha vundali. vundaledhe. its common. YSR dhi kuda anthe.
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what about salur prp candidate

chiru pai abhimanam tho tana govt job kooda vadulkuni vachhadu

ippudu chiru ni bhootulu dobbutunnadu
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infact chiru is loyal to Allu Aravind

andhuke andaru vadilesi potunnaru anukovachhu emo

dochukuni , koddiga kooda pettaka pote evadu untadu
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Rocky:

If you notice YSR has fierce loyalty and also CBN.




vellaki loyality ki reason veru le.. yes YSR and CBN angle loyality
chiru ki kuda undi anukunnadu ..ledu ani telipoyindi..
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I have been trying hard to understand ever since Chiru's debacle in the last elections and his party's decline ever since. Scores of leaders deserted him. If you notice YSR has fierce loyalty and also CBN.

What is the reason that Chiru does not have loyalty? If you look back and go little bit deep into Indian history, lots of Indian leaders suchas Gandhi, Nehru and even in post-independence times lots of leaders commanded solid loyalty from their followers. This loyalty has one significant trait. i.e. unconditional.

But now I realized to get loyalty you need to buy it. Yes. You need to buy the loyalty. I heard from lot of people that YSR helped people monetarily as well as in lots of other ways. Where as if you see Chiru, he is a honest and nice guy but when it comes to monetary help he is not that great. Also you need to help people with some thing tangible. That is how you buy the loyalty. No wonder lots of people are leaving him because they are not getting what they are looking.

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