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brother atla anukunte daal kosam kooda craving vuntundhi....daal lekunda vatti kooralu tone ekkuva rojulu tinalemu...




Meeru cheppindi sababe.. people who are bi-dieters naturally crave for both Veg and Non-Veg.. coz they have tasted both.. similarly uni-dieter Veg people naturally crave for Veg diet only as they are accustomed only to that...
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Yaar.. I just wonder about the cravings of meat-eater kids.. do they have cannibalistic cravings?? You see after all its just another kind of meat.. just like Veg kids some times crave for different Veg items like Carrots.. Capsicum.. Idli.. Dosa..





brother atla anukunte daal kosam kooda craving vuntundhi....daal lekunda vatti kooralu tone ekkuva rojulu tinalemu...that is why daal is important for vegetarians and non-vegetarians in india...india lo intaku mundhu non-vegetarians kooda peddaga meat tine vaallu kadhu....economic condition baga vunna vaallu kooda max two times tine vaalu week lo...but aa meat tine roju vallaki special ga anipistundhi...they wait all the week or month for that day....maadhi non-veg family..chinnapudu economic condition baga vunnantha varaku week ki once tinevallam aa taruvatha adhi month ki once ayyindhi.....nenu non-veg manesina taruvatha weekly 2-3 time paapu kaani sambhar kaani tinakapothe asalu tinnatu vundadhu...migatha kooralu enni tinna (carrot ,potato,..patchallu)....definite ga body lo protein kosam craving vuntundhi anukuntunna.....but meat taste aa veru...it has some kind of special taste...aa taste ni soyabean to chesina meat replacements kooda match cheyyalevu....chala addictive meat...idhi anta enduku cheptunnanu ante i have nothing against non-veg people....na point okkate india loni anni accepted spiritual paths lo ahimsa, vegetarianism ki chala importance vundhi...spirritual progress ni serious ga teesukune vallaki adhi necessity
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holy buffalo ni thinocha thinakudada




rule cow ki matram applicable..andhra side janam taage milk lo buffalo milk 75% vunte,, cow milk 25% vuntadi.. ittanti videos chusi manam chese panulani sardi cheppe satisfaction anthe..
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i have seen this. many people tried to do it to me when i was a kid.

sadistic fun.




Yaar.. I just wonder about the cravings of meat-eater kids.. do they have cannibalistic cravings?? You see after all its just another kind of meat.. just like Veg kids some times crave for different Veg items like Carrots.. Capsicum.. Idli.. Dosa..
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Kamal:

closed minded argument ki best example ee post ..

saati jeevulu ante compassion, love leni vaadiki spiritual ga high-esteem untunda .. wah re wah ..




cow ni kattesi palu pindukunte andulo compassion unda? evari level lo vallaki indulgences untayi. Ala ani meat thine vallaki compassion undadu ani judgement pass cheyakkarledu. Its not a sin to fill one's stomach. Whether one does that by killing a plant, or an animal makes all the difference.

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PS: I repeat that I have been a vegetarian all my life.
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eti decide sesar final ga

holy buffalo ni thinocha thinakudada
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Iamim:

What a Cannibal is to a Meat-eater.. a Meat-eater is to a Vegetarian..

Meat-eaters culturally superior to Cannibals..

Vegetarians culturally superior to Meat-eaters..




well said .. intaku mundu .. zulu annai ni ee question lo ki laagudaam anukunte .. gym ki vellali ani hands up annadu .. :D
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Vjavasi:

ippudunna standars ee ideal anukoni manamu antha correcte chestunnamu anukoni satisfy avvala?




adanta maaku telidu .. tellodu .. nalugurini pelli chesukuni .. vichalaveedi ga tirigi .. taagi .. tini .. behave chesi .. oka naalugu standards set cheste .. ave great .. anthe .. no more discos .. kaadante retarded .. maa liberal views meeru oppokokapothe .. you people are extremists and mee lanti vaalle AQs .. logic !!!
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Iamim:

Just like Love Jehad.. Meat-eaters target the kids of Vegetarians through Meat Jehad.. entice them towards meat through stratagem.. on face they praise them.. on back they make fun...




i have seen this. many people tried to do it to me when i was a kid.

sadistic fun.
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Nihil:

Hindusim, non-veg ani ikkada guddalu chinchukune vallu pls bother to explain these things to me- KAMAL, DER AND VJAVASI etc.




naaku aghoras untaru ani telusu .. and they lead a different lifestyle ani matrame telusu .. but discus chese antha info ledu naaku .. naked ga tiragadam/raw meat tinadam lantivi chestaru ani matrame telusu .. whether it is a rule has forced them to do these .. or whether it is a choice to be primitive anedi naaku telidu !

non-veg ki hinduism ki mudi evaru pettatledu anukuntunna .. whoever is arguing here .. only point is .. when you cannot have compassion on animals which are almost similar to mankind but only that they do not have a verbal language to talk and express .. you relish killing them and eating them .. and are aiming at spirituality (ok.. whatever that means .. ) I do not understand that kind of thinking at all .. bcos .. first of all I have to come across a person who realized it all .. second of all .. one who can think of harming other beings and still be happy (I feel moksha is a state of eternal happiness, knowledge and bliss) can never be self-realized (but that is my opinion) anthe !
Sach aur saahas hai jiske mann mein - anth mein jeeth usee ki rahe ..
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Indiarocks:

Shastras ni conscience tho judge cheyakunda guddi gaa follow aithene alqaidalu pudutunnayi. Human conscience tho judge cheyakapothe Manu smriti lo women gurinchi, widows gurinchi rasinavanni follow avvali. audama?

Spirituality gurinchi meeru cheppedi correct aithe christians lo, muslims spirituality ki arhulu kadu.




closed minded argument ki best example ee post ..

saati jeevulu ante compassion, love leni vaadiki spiritual ga high-esteem untunda .. wah re wah ..

ika evaru deniki arhulu .. ye sastralu AQs ni puttistunnayo andariki baaaaaga telusu .. thxxx
Sach aur saahas hai jiske mann mein - anth mein jeeth usee ki rahe ..
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Contrast this with the most heinous.. horrible.. inhuman.. audacious.. manner Meat-eaters treat poor Cannibals.. they have outlawed them.. they have imprisoned them.. they have made their staple diet immoral.. illegal.. they have put them in mental asylums.. what not..

Do Meat-eaters have even an iota of Humanity.. tolerance.. kindness.. how can they.. thanks to their diet...



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Yeah yeah.. I think coz Viswamitra ate meat.. he fell for Urvasi.. after he learnt his lessons he became Brahmarishi..
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mind ni control cheyyali ani try chesinappudu ...adhi raka rakala vikaralanu create chestundhi...mana meedha manake asahyam kaligetattu chestundhi...daani extremes ni choopistundhi...mana conscience ni vanda rakaala split chesi aatalu adutundhi....anduke spiritual path lo munduku velle kodhi mind nunchi resistance perugutundhi...kontha mandhiki adhi tattukoleka pichi ekkutundhi kontha mandhi extremes ki vellataru...anduke guidance and sadhu sangatyamu chala important spiritual path lo...atla ani cheppi blind ga follow ayyithe mosam chese gurus vuntaaru....so jaagartha ga adugulu veyyali ani anukuntunna....ippudunna kalaniki bhakthi traditions relative ga simple ga vuntaayi...just nama sankeerthana chesukuntu regulative principle follow avuthu mana pani manam chesukunte chaalu
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Nihil:

Hindusim lo Vamapanthi ( Left-handed) ane oka Tantric sect vundi

Shivudini poojistharu- valla philosophy okkate, what ever is coventional they don't do it and they belive that every thing in this world leads to god and nothing is proscribed.

They eat human flesh- smasanalalo nivasistharu
They eat excrement and drink piss
Mate with menstruating females


Simple ga cheppali ante they do whatever they want and nothing is proscribed.


Aghoras, Bhairavas are some of these sects. Muslims rule chese time lo desam antha thirugutha temples ni kapadevallu anta- British valla time they banned these sects .... but UP, Varanasi lanti places lo these people still survive.


Hindusim, non-veg ani ikkada guddalu chinchukune vallu pls bother to explain these things to me- KAMAL, DER AND VJAVASI etc.




India lo anni rakala extreme forms of worships vunnayi...worship in modes of satva,rajo,tamo gunas...worship in the mode of satva guna is considered highest...jato math tato path...evadi burraki vachinattu vallu follow ayyite lekkalenanni paths vuntaayi...anni paths vunnayi kooda india lo...but mainstream society emi follow avutundho choodali kadha....black majic chesi narabalulu iche vallu vunnaru...left hand tantra ki black magic ki teda ledhu...
muslims paina fight chesindhi nagas anukunta...asalu manishi enta vikrutanga pravartinchagalugu tado aa tastes annitini cover chese paths kooda india lo edho oka moolana vunnayi...avvani extreme left-handed paths...main stream society eppudu accept cheyyala.......vallani eppudu dooramgane vunchindhi
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Shastras ni conscience tho judge cheyakunda guddi gaa follow aithene alqaidalu pudutunnayi. Human conscience tho judge cheyakapothe Manu smriti lo women gurinchi, widows gurinchi rasinavanni follow avvali. audama?

Spirituality gurinchi meeru cheppedi correct aithe christians lo, muslims spirituality ki arhulu kadu.




mari india lo shastras ni follow ayye vallu chala mandhi vunnaru....mari alqaidalu enduku puttaledhu...asalu conscience anedhaniki main base culture beliefs kadha.....ee shastranaina follow avvali ani evaru force chesaaru...ippudu vegetarianism ni evaru force chesaaru...okappudu main stream society manu smruti ni follow ayyedhi emo...ippudu kalaniki tagattu kotha ideas vachaayi...kalanni batti standards marutunnayi...but ippudunna standars ee ideal anukoni manamu antha correcte chestunnamu anukoni satisfy avvala?
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The book FOOD FOR THE SPIRIT, VEGETARIANISM AND THE
WORLD RELIGIONS, observes, "Despite popular knowledge of
meat-eating's adverse effects, the nonvegetarian diet became
increasingly widespread among the Hindus after the two major
invasions by foreign powers, first the Muslims and later the
British. With them came the desire to be `civilized,' to eat
as did the Saheeb. Those atually trained in Vedic knowledge,
however, never adopted a meat-oriented diet, and the pious
Hindu still observes vegetarian principles as a matter of
religious duty.

"That vegetarianism has always been widespread in India
is clear from the earliest Vedic texts. This was observed by
the ancient traveler Megasthenes and also by Fa-Hsien, a
Chinese Buddhist monk who, in the fifth century, traveled to
India in order to obtain authentic copies of the scriptures.

"These scriptures unambiguously support the meatless way
of life. In the MAHABHARAT, for instance, the great warrior
Bheeshm explains to Yuddhishtira, eldest of the Paandav
princes, that the meat of animals is like the flesh of one's
own son. Similarly, the MANUSMRITI declares that one should
`refrain from eating all kinds of meat,' for such eating
involves killing and and leads to Karmic bondage (Bandh)
[5.49]. Elsewhere in the Vedic literature, the last of the
great Vedic kings, Maharaja Parikshit, is quoted as saying
that `only the animal-killer cannot relish the message of the
Absolute Truth [Shrimad Bhagvatam 10.1.4].'"

.................
::: SCRIPTURE :::
:::::::::::::::::

He who desires to augment his own flesh by eating the
flesh of other creatures lives in misery in whatever species
he may take his birth. MAHABHARAT 115.47

Those high-souled persons who desire beauty,
faultlessness of limbs, long life, understanding, mental and
physical strength and memory should abstain from acts of
injury.
MAHABHARAT 18.115.8

The very name of cow is Aghnya ["not to be killed"],
indicating that they should never be slaughtered. Who, then
could slay them? Surely, one who kills a cow or a bull
commits a heinous crime.
MAHABHARAT, SHANTIPARV 262.47

The purchaser of flesh performs Hinsa (violence) by his
wealth; he who eats flesh does so by enjoying its taste; the
killer does Hinsa by actually tying and killing the animal.
Thus, there are three forms of killing: he who brings flesh
or sends for it, he who cuts off the limbs of an animal, and
he who purchases, sells or cooks flesh and eats it -- all of
these are to be considered meat-eaters.
MAHABHARAT, ANU 115.40

He who sees that the Lord of all is ever the same in
all that is -- immortal in the field of mortality -- he sees
the truth. And when a man sees that the God in himself is
the same God in all that is, he hurts not himself by hurting
others. Then he goes, indeed, to the highest path.
BHAGVAD GEETA 13.27-28

Ahinsa is the highest Dharm. Ahinsa is the best Tapas.
Ahinsa is the greatest gift. Ahinsa is the highest
self-control. Ahinsa is the highest sacrifice. Ahinsa is
the highest power. Ahinsa is the highest friend. Ahinsa is
the highest truth. Ahinsa is the highest teaching.
MAHABHARAT 18.116.37-41

What is the good way? It is the path that reflects on
how it may avoid killing any creature.
TIRUKURAL 324

All that lives will press palms together in prayerful
adoration of those who refuse to slaughter and savor meat.
TIRUKURAL 260

What is virtuous conduct? It is never destroting life,
for killing leads to every other sin.
TIRUKURAL 312, 321

Goodness is never one with the minds of these two: one
who wields a weapon and one who feasts on a creature's flesh.
TIRUKURAL 253
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this is a DB where some people said that kids of vegetarians actually crave to taste non veg ani selavicharu...




Rama Rama.. ila kooda antunnara..

Evaru..

Eekshenam.. Takshanam.. naku teliyali..

Just like Love Jehad.. Meat-eaters target the kids of Vegetarians through Meat Jehad.. entice them towards meat through stratagem.. on face they praise them.. on back they make fun...
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Coming to Satvik nature of Vegetarians.. one need not look farther...

One just needs to look at the most gentle.. humane.. decent.. dignified.. manner Vegetarians treat Meat-eaters..

Contrast this with the most heinous.. horrible.. inhuman.. audacious.. manner Meat-eaters treat poor Cannibals.. they have outlawed them.. they have imprisoned them.. they have made their staple diet immoral.. illegal.. they have put them in mental asylums.. what not..

Do Meat-eaters have even an iota of Humanity.. tolerance.. kindness.. how can they.. thanks to their diet...
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Forget Spirituality..

Forget Devil and Deva..

Forget Hell and Heaven..

Culturally speaking.. at this point of Human existance..

What a Cannibal is to a Meat-eater.. a Meat-eater is to a Vegetarian..

Meat-eaters culturally superior to Cannibals..

Vegetarians culturally superior to Meat-eaters..
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but do all satvik ahara eaters have satva tattva is also debatable - ikkada DB lone chustamu kada people losing control over their tongues and fingers irrespective of their dietary habits :-)




Emviti.. Der meeda satire vesera.. Siva Siva...
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Hindusim lo Vamapanthi ( Left-handed) ane oka Tantric sect vundi

Shivudini poojistharu- valla philosophy okkate, what ever is coventional they don't do it and they belive that every thing in this world leads to god and nothing is proscribed.

They eat human flesh- smasanalalo nivasistharu
They eat excrement and drink piss
Mate with menstruating females


Simple ga cheppali ante they do whatever they want and nothing is proscribed.


Aghoras, Bhairavas are some of these sects. Muslims rule chese time lo desam antha thirugutha temples ni kapadevallu anta- British valla time they banned these sects .... but UP, Varanasi lanti places lo these people still survive.


Hindusim, non-veg ani ikkada guddalu chinchukune vallu pls bother to explain these things to me- KAMAL, DER AND VJAVASI etc.
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Zulu:

So cow is sathvic and buffalo is not??..eey basis meeda?




maa inti daggara chinna pillalu cricket aadukuntuu vunte...

1) cow daggara padina ball ni yetuvanti bhayam lekundaa teesukoche vaaru
2) buffalo daggara padina ball ni pedda vaaallani adigi teesuku voche vaaru.

bottom line....cow is (relatively) milder than buffalo
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shastras ni follow avvakunda i am self realised ante...nenu self realised ani evaraina claim cheyyavachu...anduke donga babalu...donga neo god avataras vachaaru..i don't mean you are wrong but i can't accept a person who says he is self realised and acts according to his whims




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Last supper lo non-veg tinaleda? Antenduku Ramakrishna mission lo fish ni veg ani decide chestaru. Naa opinion lo life sustains life. Killing for food anedi inko pedda topic le. Fruits and veggies as well as seeds lo life untundi kadaa..
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Meeku monna cheppanu...malli chepthunna....leave some discussions out of your scope....they will sap your energy but dont yield any reasonable effects..you can argue with some one rational...but can never argue with some one who assumes rationality......spiritual Q's ki time line chaala ekkuva and some people justify their indulgence expoliting this...this is a DB where some people said that kids of vegetarians actually crave to taste non veg ani selavicharu....it shows their level of intellectual pursuit...so alanti discos vadileyyali....U are harming ur ownself......




cool down brother...ivi anni time pass discussions...evaru evarni convince cheyyaleru...only time and experience can convince anybody...
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adhi first step ani nenu cheppala...if you are a serious seeker anni traditions adhe cheptunnayi (shankara,ramanuja,madhwa,vallabha,budhism,jainism,sikhism). ...salvation vastundhi ani guarantee evariki ledhu...but sadhanaki basic guidelines lo matuku ahimsa, vegetarian diet ni anni traditions prescribe chestaayi...daarulu enni ayyina vundavachu chala daarulu mislead kooda cheyyavachu...that is why tradition is important ani antunna....within the guidelines of tradition one can have freedom....shastras ni follow avvakunda i am self realised ante...nenu self realised ani evaraina claim cheyyavachu...anduke donga babalu...donga neo god avataras vachaaru..i don't mean you are wrong but i can't accept a person who says he is self realised and acts according to his whims




Meeku monna cheppanu...malli chepthunna....leave some discussions out of your scope....they will sap your energy but dont yield any reasonable effects..you can argue with some one rational...but can never argue with some one who assumes rationality......spiritual Q's ki time line chaala ekkuva and some people justify their indulgence expoliting this...this is a DB where some people said that kids of vegetarians actually crave to taste non veg ani selavicharu....it shows their level of intellectual pursuit...so alanti discos vadileyyali....U are harming ur ownself......
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Anand_n:

Does everyone have that is debatable.. but do all satvik ahara eaters have satva tattva is also debatable - ikkada DB lone chustamu kada people losing control over their tongues and fingers irrespective of their dietary habits :-)




excellent point.

maa intlo chustu untaanu. maa grandfather generation vaallu onions tinaru. enduku ante ilaati reasons e chepparu. but in reality, my grandfather is one of the most short tempered I have seen
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chinnapati ninchi ilaa explain cheste ...we will not lose next generation to materialism anukuntunna

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Well, we claim that the most spiritually accomplished people lived in that period ... if non-vegetarianism was a norm in those days and it did not hamper their spiritual progress why has it suddenly become a pre-requisite...was my question.





aa time lo non-vegetarianism norm ani nenu cheppaledhu...konni stories vunnayi but vatini choosi aa time lo spiritual seekers vegetarian diet prefer cheyya ledhu ani cheppalemu...aa time lo spiritual standards different ga vundevi...konni samvatsarala paatu emi tinakunda tapassu chesevaaru...as i explained in my previous posts kali in kaliyuga stays in for places...gold,alchohol,meat, and illicit sex...dwaparayugam lone cows ni worship chessaru...mahabharat time lone brahmins meat tine vaalu kadhu antaniki proofs vunnayi...meeru drona, kripa,kuchela veelu meat tinevallani ekkada ledhu..valla descriptions kooda atla anipinchavu...


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My point is you chose to follow a spiritual path starting with vegetarianism ...that is your choice.

But to say that, that is absolutely the first step assumes a confidence that you know the exact steps to reach realization without fail. Naku telisi ippatiki e guru kuda ee steps follow avvu you will reach salvation ane guarantee ivvaledu - may be Raja yoga to some extent. Alanti appudu idi okkate dari ani meeru e basis meda cheptunnaru ? And please do not take it personally... meeku telisindi meeru cheptunnaru which is wonderful...alage naku telisindi , experience chesindi nenu cheptunnanu :-)





adhi first step ani nenu cheppala...if you are a serious seeker anni traditions adhe cheptunnayi (shankara,ramanuja,madhwa,vallabha,budhism,jainism,sikhism). ...salvation vastundhi ani guarantee evariki ledhu...but sadhanaki basic guidelines lo matuku ahimsa, vegetarian diet ni anni traditions prescribe chestaayi...daarulu enni ayyina vundavachu chala daarulu mislead kooda cheyyavachu...that is why tradition is important ani antunna....within the guidelines of tradition one can have freedom....shastras ni follow avvakunda i am self realised ante...nenu self realised ani evaraina claim cheyyavachu...anduke donga babalu...donga neo god avataras vachaaru..i don't mean you are wrong but i can't accept a person who says he is self realised and acts according to his whims
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I think vegetarianism is helpful and logical for self realization. It is not that meat eaters are going to hell. It is most likely meat eaters are not in right attitude as far as spiritual progress is concerned. There are exceptions to every rule. Rules are formed for majority of people's welfare.

If you cannot control your own tongue, you are not progressing very much. Of-course there could be exceptions to this. We should only talk about things that apply for majority.

What is there to argue in this matter???
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Anand_n:

Does everyone have that is debatable.. but do all satvik ahara eaters have satva tattva is also debatable - ikkada DB lone chustamu kada people losing control over their tongues and fingers irrespective of their dietary habits




May be that reflects the fact that some people are honest as opposed to being Fake!!!
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bring me something concrete...america lo websites ni authentic ani mathram...naaku chepodhu...esp they dont even know the 1 and 2 of sanskrit...and its even blasphemous to read western intrepretation of Indian scripture...they neither have the spiritual bent nor the clean heart to intrepret the scripture in its true form..




:-) Poni meeru original sanskrit and its translation post cheyyandi - aa link lo chapter, verse names ichadu kada...:-)

Vjavasi:

ee okka passage tho etla decide chestamandi...also there is story of vaatapi and agastaya...nenu chepedhi brahmins intaku mundhu meat tinnara ledha ani kaadhu...spiritual progress ki meat conducive aa kaadha anedhi...




Well, we claim that the most spiritually accomplished people lived in that period ... if non-vegetarianism was a norm in those days and it did not hamper their spiritual progress why has it suddenly become a pre-requisite...was my question.

My point is you chose to follow a spiritual path starting with vegetarianism ...that is your choice.

But to say that, that is absolutely the first step assumes a confidence that you know the exact steps to reach realization without fail. Naku telisi ippatiki e guru kuda ee steps follow avvu you will reach salvation ane guarantee ivvaledu - may be Raja yoga to some extent. Alanti appudu idi okkate dari ani meeru e basis meda cheptunnaru ? And please do not take it personally... meeku telisindi meeru cheptunnaru which is wonderful...alage naku telisindi , experience chesindi nenu cheptunnanu :-)

My perspective - It does not matter what the ancestors ate or did not eat...dietary habits evolved to support survival and competitve needs...that's the role of food, to sustain.

Another thing - manas meda control unnavallaki - food to vache gunas - sattva, rajo, or tamas impact is minimal...:-)

Does everyone have that is debatable.. but do all satvik ahara eaters have satva tattva is also debatable - ikkada DB lone chustamu kada people losing control over their tongues and fingers irrespective of their dietary habits :-)
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daniki edo devudu buddha ni sikshinchadu for eating pork anukunte mee ishtam...





nenu atla ekkada annanandi...



Anand_n:

But think about what you guys are doing. The beauty of Hinduism is its inclusivity. Inni centuries nunchi caste peruto konta mandiki God/temples ki access ledu ani exclude chesaru ... ippudu diet peruto non-vegetarians ki spiritual path closed annattu propagate cheyyatam is detrimental to the religion/culture itself...

That is the only reason I even debated in this thread...





inclusive ani cheppi ani accept cheyyali antaara...it is inclusive within broad parameters of dharma...It takes note of a person's individual nature but simultaneously works with him to overcome his inherent limitations...nenu ee discussion lo ekkada kooda meat eating ni criticize cheyyaledhu..vaallu spirituality ki paniki raaru ani cheppaledhu..spirituality different levels lo vuntundhi..adhi oka path...aa path lo at some point you have to skip non-veg diet to make progress ani maatrame cheppa
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Anand_n:

Nenu ichina Mahabharata link chadivara ? Idi oka translation- have to search for a few more to validate this part

"Viswamitra said, 'Any other kind of meat is not to be easily had during a famine like this. Besides, O Chandala, I have no wealth (wherewith to buy food). I am exceedingly hungry. I cannot move any longer. I am utterly hopeless. I think that all the six kinds of taste are to be found in that piece of dog's meat.'


p. 318

"The Chandala said, 'Only the five kinds of five-clawed animals are clean food for Brahmanas and Kshatriyas and Vaisyas, as laid down in the scriptures. Do not set thy heart upon what is unclean (for thee).'





ee okka passage tho etla decide chestamandi...also there is story of vaatapi and agastaya...nenu chepedhi brahmins intaku mundhu meat tinnara ledha ani kaadhu...spiritual progress ki meat conducive aa kaadha anedhi...inka scriptures lo over the time vallaki kavalsinattu konni add kooda chesaaru...we have to take the spirit...ahimsa paramo dharma ani adhe mahabharatam lo vunnatuvundhi..mari dharmamu patinchakunda...moksham kosam try chesi etla success avutaaru..budha ki mundhu animal scarifices ekkuva avatam vallane Budha vachadu ani antaaru...mahabharat time ki budha time ki madhyalo asalu religion ne sarigga lekunda kali tandavam chesindhi...budha time lo confusion mattamu tosesi religion malli evolve avvatam modalu ayyindhi...mundhu budha vachi veds ni pakkaku tosesaadu...taruvatha shankara vachi vedas authority reinstate chesadu...taruvatha Ramanujacharya vachi visitha advaitam tho deity worship ki standards set chesaaru...taruvatha madhwacharya followed by chaitnyas sankirthana movement and other bhakthi movements..religion anethi static kaadhu..it's part of dynamic interaction of humanity with god and his representatives ani anukuntunna...but anni traditions meat eating ni discourage chesaayi
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bring me something concrete...america lo websites ni authentic ani mathram...naaku chepodhu...esp they dont even know the 1 and 2 of sanskrit...and its even blasphemous to read western intrepretation of Indian scripture...they neither have the spiritual bent nor the clean heart to intrepret the scripture in its true form..
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Nenu ichina Mahabharata link chadivara ? Idi oka translation- have to search for a few more to validate this part

"Viswamitra said, 'Any other kind of meat is not to be easily had during a famine like this. Besides, O Chandala, I have no wealth (wherewith to buy food). I am exceedingly hungry. I cannot move any longer. I am utterly hopeless. I think that all the six kinds of taste are to be found in that piece of dog's meat.'


p. 318

"The Chandala said, 'Only the five kinds of five-clawed animals are clean food for Brahmanas and Kshatriyas and Vaisyas, as laid down in the scriptures. Do not set thy heart upon what is unclean (for thee).'





Vjavasi:

but by and large main stream spiritual traditions lo meat ni tinaru




So ee traditions eppudu diverge ayyayi ? Asalu vegetarianism vachindi post Buddha antaru ...he was an enlightened person who put respecting the host's feelings above his vegetarian preference...many enlightened souls chose the time of departure... daniki edo devudu buddha ni sikshinchadu for eating pork anukunte mee ishtam...

But think about what you guys are doing. The beauty of Hinduism is its inclusivity. Inni centuries nunchi caste peruto konta mandiki God/temples ki access ledu ani exclude chesaru ... ippudu diet peruto non-vegetarians ki spiritual path closed annattu propagate cheyyatam is detrimental to the religion/culture itself...

That is the only reason I even debated in this thread...:-)
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Nenu cheppe samadhi state the final state of realization - Nirvikalpa samadhi...that is the final stage of realization :-)

You and many here seem to think that vegetarianism is mandatory for acheiving that state of complete realization...Do not want to argue :-)

I have seen examples to the contrary... so my perspective is different...:-) Also, there are many saints and seers across the world from various religions who have acheived that realization -which further negates the theory that vegetarianism is a mandatory step :-)

But again, everyone has to follow what they believe .. no problem with that :-)





goppa goppa yogulu kooda boltha paddarandi....self-realized persons ani cheppu kune vallu entha mandhi sex scandals lo irrukoledhu....budha kooda chanipoyindhi tanaku evaro offer chesina pork tinna taruvathe...atanni hurt cheyyakoodadu ani tinnadu...vaishnav saampradayala prakaram samadhi is not guarantee for moksha...only serving lord in the moods of santha,dasya,sakhya,vatsalya,madhurya in vaikunta is final destination...path madhyalo ekkadi nunchi ayyina kindhaku jaaravachu....Indian tradition lo chala rakaala vupasanas vunnayi...vaatilo meat tintaaru, mandhu taagutaru, inka migathaa panulu chestaaru....vupasanas kooda three modes lo vuntaayi.....shavalanu tine vallu kooda vunnaru...so what is our choice ane daani meedha depend ayyi vuntundhi....but by and large main stream spiritual traditions lo meat ni tinaru
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Viswamitrudu kukka mamsam tinnaru ante navvaru :-)Idi chadavandi :-)

It is in Mahabharata Santi Parva - and is quoted briefly in Skanda Purana as well - read the conversation between the Chandala and Vishwamitra - it is an interesting insight :-)

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m12/m12a140.htm
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samadhi lo vunnantha maatrana spiritual ga high lo vunnatu antaara...bhagavantudi padaala daggara chere varaku evariki guarantee ledhu ani anukuntunna..i agree spirituality ki oke parameter ani cheppalemu..but na opinion entante vegetarian diet is first big step...it helps in developing compassion ani anukuntunna




Nenu cheppe samadhi state the final state of realization - Nirvikalpa samadhi...that is the final stage of realization :-)

You and many here seem to think that vegetarianism is mandatory for acheiving that state of complete realization...Do not want to argue :-)

I have seen examples to the contrary... so my perspective is different...:-) Also, there are many saints and seers across the world from various religions who have acheived that realization -which further negates the theory that vegetarianism is a mandatory step :-)

But again, everyone has to follow what they believe .. no problem with that :-)
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Vjavasi:

opika ledhu padu ledhu brother...anubavam to telusukunna vishayalu konni vunnayi kabatti konchem conviction ekkuva..antakante emi ledhu




amma .. antha suluvu ga tappinchukoku annai .. cheptunna kada .. naaku intha opika asalu undadu .. actual ga naaku chaala opika ani murisipoyevadini innallu .. mimmalni choosaka .. naakante chaala opika unna vaaru unnaru ani ardam ayyindi .. :-)

Ishan:

Nenu exactly ade anukunna...he has got lots of patience and more importantly he never looses his composure...




asalu .. bhale opika chesukuni explain chestaru annai .. ofcourse meeru takkuva kaadu anukondi .. toooooo much candidates unnaru ikkada .. :D
Sach aur saahas hai jiske mann mein - anth mein jeeth usee ki rahe ..
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No, I put it in the wrong way. Any animal by birth domestication korukovu. It is against their nature.





manam kooda by birth evari kinda vundali ani korukomu...kaani tapputundha evorokari kindha batakaali kadha...asalu mana birth lone manaki choice ledhu
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IMO any animal by nature domestication ki suitable gaa undavu




No, I put it in the wrong way. Any animal by birth domestication korukovu. It is against their nature.
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nenu pakshula domestication gurunchi cheppa ledhu kadha...cows ni intaku mundhu gaddi tinataniki grass lands ki teesukoni vellevaaru...avi konni restrictions to free gane vundevi...24 hrs katesi vunche vaallu kadhu ippuduna animal farms laga




pakshi anedi just example gaa vadanu. IMO any animal by nature domestication ki suitable gaa undavu. Some may not just resist anthe.
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Ishan:

nenoppukonu, mari naatho discuss chesetappudu kooda atle untaru kada..




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medhavulato discuss chestunappudu kochem jagartha padatha ante


nenoppukonu, mari naatho discuss chesetappudu kooda atle untaru kada...
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Nenu exactly ade anukunna...he has got lots of patience and more importantly he never looses his composure...





composure ledu emi ledandi... medhavulato discuss chestunappudu kochem jagartha padatha ante
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neeku inta opika ichadenti annai aa devudu .. koncham naaku panchu .. nee peru cheppukuni bathukutha ..




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domestication perutho pakshulani cages lo pedatharu. A free flying bird will be at peace after death, than living a confined life anukuntunna. Or may be a different bird will be happy in the cage itself.




nenu pakshula domestication gurunchi cheppa ledhu kadha...cows ni intaku mundhu gaddi tinataniki grass lands ki teesukoni vellevaaru...avi konni restrictions to free gane vundevi...24 hrs katesi vunche vaallu kadhu ippuduna animal farms laga


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Yes. Non veg thine vallaki the chicken species is playing the role of food. Simple gaa inkoka species meeda depend avvakunda bathakadam impossible. Unless we can live on air. alantappudu non-veg thinadam less spiritual ela authundi?




vaati meedha depend avvatam veru vatini champatam veru kadha....see mana culture absolute rules levu...andaru oka set of rules follow kaavali ani force cheyatam kooda ledhu...atla ani cheppi unrestricted choice kooda ledhu...if for common good society excludes certain kinds of meat from diet then there is nothing wrong in it especially if your survival doesn't depend on it...valla nature batti valla profession batti eating habits form ayyayi...likewise those who are interested in self-realisation vallaki konni guidelines vunnayi..andhulo ahimsa, satyam matladatamu anevi basic guidelines...migatha vallandaru valla nature batti profession batti valla diet follow avachu
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neeku inta opika ichadenti annai aa devudu .. koncham naaku panchu .. nee peru cheppukuni bathukutha ..


Nenu exactly ade anukunna...he has got lots of patience and more importantly he never looses his composure...
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neeku inta opika ichadenti annai aa devudu .. koncham naaku panchu .. nee peru cheppukuni bathukutha ..
Sach aur saahas hai jiske mann mein - anth mein jeeth usee ki rahe ..
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annai jaando.....njoi...anna....leave these sort of things....u cant do a rational discussion here...come in prepared for an ARGUMENT...hope u read discussion and argument
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Vjavasi:

domestication champatam okate antaaru..




domestication perutho pakshulani cages lo pedatharu. A free flying bird will be at peace after death, than living a confined life anukuntunna. Or may be a different bird will be happy in the cage itself.


Vjavasi:

every species has arole to play..


Yes. Non veg thine vallaki the chicken species is playing the role of food. Simple gaa inkoka species meeda depend avvakunda bathakadam impossible. Unless we can live on air. alantappudu non-veg thinadam less spiritual ela authundi?
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I repeat, I am not saying that domestication is wrong. I am only pointing out that somehow or other we have to depend on other species, whether confining a free animal in the name of domestication, or consuming it for food
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so domestication champatam okate antaaru....freedom ante entha varaku...prapancham lo evaru absolute free kaadhu...every species has arole to play...aavulani domesticate cheyyakunda adavilo vunte vaatiki freedom vuntundha...
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vaatiki complaints emi vundavu...chinapati nunchi intlo pillalu laga perugutaayi..vaatiki vundalsina paridhi lo freedom vuntundhi




complaints undavu ani manam satisfy aipodamu. Puttinappati nundi vatini kattesi penchite enduku compliants untayi? Freedom undalsina paridhi ani manam ela decide chestamu?

I repeat, I am not saying that domestication is wrong. I am only pointing out that somehow or other we have to depend on other species, whether confining a free animal in the name of domestication, or consuming it for food.
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My argument is meeru ethical reasons valla oka religious practice ni support chesthunnaru,..so would you eat a dead chicken? If not drop the ethical reasons and stick to relious practice..I hope i am being clear..





adhi ethical kabatte religious practice ayyindhi...meeku religion ki ethics ki sambandham ledhu ani enduku anipistundhi...dharma is nothing but ethics...chicken tinali anipiste champi ayyina tinavachu...my discussion is on wether non-veg is conducive to spirituality or not...there are different ethics for different people based on their professions and dharmas...a spiritually aspiring person might not prefer any kind of meat beacause it is not conducive to his progress...
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Ishan:

Why not? if a tiger wants salvation, cant god grant it to him?

You are mixing absolute requirements for spiritual enlightenment with moral obligations. Both of them are subjective.





tiger ki choice ledhu kadha...i am not talking about moral obligations...i am talking about the tastes of a person who is aspiring for enlightment...nenu meat eating tappu ani cheppatledhu...some professions might require non-veg diet and it might be their dharma also...i am also not saying that who eat non-veg diet shouldn't aspire spiritually...any serious spiritual progress begins with natural disliking towards non-veg...having said that there is chance for any kind of person(even tiger) to get enlightment..but that particular person or animal might have gone through all these sadhanas in their previous lifes and this particular life is because of some curse...
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tinaali anukunte tinavachu....meat tinatame tappu ani anatledhu...non-veg diet valla rajo,tamo gunalu perugutaayi ani antunna....but kodiki hear attack ravatam ekkada choodaledhu vinaledhu




Heart attack..ante heartattack kadayya..Natural causes..Pain that is not inflicted by us..so that we can eat it guilt free..adi question

My argument is meeru ethical reasons valla oka religious practice ni support chesthunnaru,..so would you eat a dead chicken? If not drop the ethical reasons and stick to relious practice..I hope i am being clear..

Kamal, first oka question answer cheyyi, tharvatha..question adugu cheptha..

anyways nen gym poyostha..
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Kamal:

same example .. manishi ki aithe tinocha?



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Vjavasi:

potta kosam champatam lo emi karma yogi motivation vuntundhi andi.


Why not? if a tiger wants salvation, cant god grant it to him?

You are mixing absolute requirements for spiritual enlightenment with moral obligations. Both of them are subjective.
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Zulu:

For example Oka Kodi ki heartattack vochi sachipoyindi anukondi,..




same example .. manishi ki aithe tinocha?
Sach aur saahas hai jiske mann mein - anth mein jeeth usee ki rahe ..
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Zulu:

For example Oka Kodi ki heartattack vochi sachipoyindi anukondi,..

Manam daanini champaledu kada? Dani meat thinocha?..

Ethical reasons..valla vegetarian food ki pro ga argue chesthunnavallu..Naku answer cheppali thappadu.




tinaali anukunte tinavachu....meat tinatame tappu ani anatledhu...non-veg diet valla rajo,tamo gunalu perugutaayi ani antunna....but kodiki hear attack ravatam ekkada choodaledhu vinaledhu
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For example Oka Kodi ki heartattack vochi sachipoyindi anukondi,..

Manam daanini champaledu kada? Dani meat thinocha?..

Ethical reasons..valla vegetarian food ki pro ga argue chesthunnavallu..Naku answer cheppali thappadu.
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Traditions prakaaram veggie gaa undaalani andaru chepthunnaru kaani, anni scriptures la ahimsa is required for the path analedu. Himsa ahimsa anevi related to motivations/mind again. You might have heard the story of a Vyadha, a butcherman where he gets brahmajnana just because he knew and implemented the secret of work.




correcte himsa ahimsa anedhi motivation kindha depend avutundhi...oka soldier tana kartavya nirvahana lo champatam himsa kindha raadu...but potta kosam champatam lo emi karma yogi motivation vuntundhi andi...definite ga aa person ne decide cheyyali tinalo vadho, tindi vishayam lo evaru force cheyyaleru kadha...but sometimes society collective ga konni decisions teesukovachu food vishayam lo kooda...ahimsa paramo dharmaha ani vundhi kadha scriptures lo..dharmame sarigga patinchakapote inka moksham ekkadi nunchi vastundhi andi
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this is the whole point. Aavu ni kattesi, domesticate chesi jagratha gaa choosukuntunnamu ani manam satisfy authunnamu. Kani baga choosukununnamu anukovalsindi manam kadu, aa aavu.





vaatiki complaints emi vundavu...chinapati nunchi intlo pillalu laga perugutaayi..vaatiki vundalsina paridhi lo freedom vuntundhi
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Idi ela cheptamu? Oka animal ni thinte adi thana life ni manakosam sacrifice chesinattu kada? Mari daniki inka value ivvali kada?




ante danini champesi..adhi manakosam sacrifice chesindhi ani daniki worship cheyyali antaara..worship etla chestaaru bali iche mundhu daaniki photo teesi taruvatha daniki worship cheyyali antaara...aa worship lo nijaayithi vundhi antaara...actual ga bali ichemundhu vaatiki oka rakamaina poojalu chestaru
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appudu evari habits ayyina correcte ayyi vundaali kadha.


correct aa kaada anedi vaallu decide cheskovaali, manam cheppalemu ani antunna. If a person thinks eating meat is not suitable for his spiritual pursuit, he can stop it. If any army man wants to be a karma yogi, he doesn't have to be a vegetarian for that. He can get the same knowledge as that of a bhakta by being a non-veggie.

Traditions prakaaram veggie gaa undaalani andaru chepthunnaru kaani, anni scriptures la ahimsa is required for the path analedu. Himsa ahimsa anevi related to motivations/mind again. You might have heard the story of a Vyadha, a butcherman where he gets brahmajnana just because he knew and implemented the secret of work.
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Cow and its progeny stands in the front in terms of utility to human race




Idi ela cheptamu? Oka animal ni thinte adi thana life ni manakosam sacrifice chesinattu kada? Mari daniki inka value ivvali kada?

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kaani atleast champi tinatam kante itla vati dwara labhapadi vaatini jaagartha ga choosukovatam better kadha




this is the whole point. Aavu ni kattesi, domesticate chesi jagratha gaa choosukuntunnamu ani manam satisfy authunnamu. Kani baga choosukununnamu anukovalsindi manam kadu, aa aavu.
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idi too much bro. you mean that ppl eating meating do not aspire for jnana, and enlightenment? Mari cow sacred, satvic etc. etc. antunnaru, mari vishnu murthy kruramaina simham, manam asahyinchukune pandi avataralu ethaleda? Anni jeevallo, (both herbivore, and carnivore) demudu unnadu annadaniki inthakante nidarsanam enti?




antha sacred ee..cow nunchi manamu anni rakaluga benefits pondutunnamu kabatti adhi society ki poojaneeyam ayyinadhi..interest vunte ee jantuvukaina poojalu chesukovachu..for you information india lo chestaru kooda...pamu, kukka ki pooja chestaaru...but Cow and its progeny stands in the front in terms of utility to human race
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Indiarocks:

cow has extra milk aithe adi teesukovadaniki manam evaru? Paiga danni kattesi rojantha unchadaniki manam evaru?

Plants ki pain undadu, cow ki extra milk untundi ani edo mana ego satisfy chesukovatam anthe.




atla teesukuntunnamu kaabatte daniki respect istunnamu, meat kosam champakoodadu antunnamu especially when it is old...vaatini katestene mana daggara vuntunnaya...avi mana family members type lo alavatu padina taruvatha vidichi vundalevu..we domesticated them...ofcourse mana batuku kosame chestunnavu..kaani atleast champi tinatam kante itla vati dwara labhapadi vaatini jaagartha ga choosukovatam better kadha
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but atleast people who aspire for jnana or enlightment should see sense in it




idi too much bro. you mean that ppl eating meating do not aspire for jnana, and enlightenment? Mari cow sacred, satvic etc. etc. antunnaru, mari vishnu murthy kruramaina simham, manam asahyinchukune pandi avataralu ethaleda? Anni jeevallo, (both herbivore, and carnivore) demudu unnadu annadaniki inthakante nidarsanam enti?
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vjavasi tamud...meka ki mathu mandu ichi pain telvakunda champi thinte ok naa?




adhi chanipoyinappudu pain lekunda chanipoyindhi ani guarantee emiti...same with people who die in sleep...vallu sleep lo chanipoinantha maatrana painful seperation ledhani cheppalemu...body respond kkaka povachu kani inner being ki pain vundavachu
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mana culture lo green ga vunna chettuni narakatam kooda tappe...ekkada mokanni champaru..avi ripe ayyina taruvatha grains ni collect chestaaru...intaku mundhu process enti ante mundhu calf taagina taruvatha cow daggara nunchi milk teese vallu..cow has extra milk available not only for calf but also for others..that's how nature is helping humans...humans in turn should show gratitude towards them




cow has extra milk aithe adi teesukovadaniki manam evaru? Paiga danni kattesi rojantha unchadaniki manam evaru?

Plants ki pain undadu, cow ki extra milk untundi ani edo mana ego satisfy chesukovatam anthe.
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Ishan:

Thats exactly is the idea. There is no work in this world that is totally good or totally bad. The very fact that we are alive right now is not acceptable to some others. Habits, ambitions, moralities and methods are purely subjective. There are just guidelines.





appudu evari habits ayyina correcte ayyi vundaali kadha..ee rule of laws enduku...there is purpose and direction to this world ani anatam enduku...It is true that we cannot take everything in absolute terms...but when you can survive being a vegetarian why go for non-veg...i am not saying everybody should be veggie..but atleast people who aspire for jnana or enlightment should see sense in it
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Vjavasi:




vjavasi tamud...meka ki mathu mandu ichi pain telvakunda champi thinte ok naa?
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Lionswalkalone:

JC Bose proved that plants experience pain...of course it is controversial




aayana metals ki kooda choopinchadu...his instruments recorded some responses ..that doesn't mean it is pain
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I dont like cutting goat/hen.. but emi chestaam.. alavaatlo porabaatu.. :D

You are right with rice.. Green vegetables ni bochhedu thintam manamu.. pudina/karivepaaku/kothhimera.. ivi ye kovaloki edhhaamu? Ground nuts, shaamagadda, potatoes.. ilaa enni levu.. bhoomi lonchi peeki thinevi?

Plants are living things too.. cut cheste eurpu raktham ochheve thinoddu.. lekunte thinachhu ante ettaa?
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Cocanada:

difference is pain

plants do not have advanced nervous system.
you need not kill a plant to enjoy its fruit.

you need not kill a cow for its milk.

if you cut a branch of the tree, it grows back again.
if you cut a leg of a goat, it wont grow back.




Who are we to decide what is not painful. Simple gaa manaki kanipinchina dani batti manalni manam satisy chesukuntunnamu. Asalu pandu kosthe painful aa kaada anedi cheppadaniki manam evaru? Ante pain feel avvani vatini champachu, feel ayyevatini champa koodada?

Bottom line enti ante oka species brathakali ante inko species meeda depend avvalsinde. Induko ila chesthe better, ila chesthe kadu anatam lo point ledu.
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inka aaku koorala vishayani ki vaste emi tinakunda bathakalemu kadha..


Thats exactly is the idea. There is no work in this world that is totally good or totally bad. The very fact that we are alive right now is not acceptable to some others. Habits, ambitions, moralities and methods are purely subjective. There are just guidelines.
All generalizations have exceptions, including this one
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Cocanada:

difference is pain




coco dorling
JC Bose proved that plants experience pain...of course it is controversial
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Mallik:

Vari ni eki paaresi kaadaa manam biyyam thinedi? Palleelani verla nundi peeki kaadaa manam verushenagalu veyinchukoni thinedi? Aaku koorala maateviti?

Pallani kosthe tappu ledaa? Abbo.. Thalli nundi pillani veru cheyadam elaago, oka chettu nundi pandu ni koyadam koodaa anthe thappu..




brother naaku telisinanthavaraku patchi ga vunnapudu cheyyaru ripe ayyi kothaki vachinappudu chestaru...fruits and grains veru cheyyakapothe vati antata ave raalipotaayi..inka aaku koorala vishayani ki vaste emi tinakunda bathakalemu kadha..avi kooda avoid cheyyochu but emi tinakunda batakalemu kadha..but manalani animals ni tinatam kante adhi better kadha...Brahmam okkate ane patalo annamayya ...antta okkate induloo jantu kulam inkaa okate ani antaadu...so animals ki manaki chala daggara sambandham vundhi..cheyyagaligithe jain monks laga vupavasam vundi chachipovachu
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Cocanada:

difference is pain


Neeku telusaa aa pain ento?

Vari ni eki paaresi kaadaa manam biyyam thinedi? Palleelani verla nundi peeki kaadaa manam verushenagalu veyinchukoni thinedi? Aaku koorala maateviti?

Pallani kosthe tappu ledaa? Abbo.. Thalli nundi pillani veru cheyadam elaago, oka chettu nundi pandu ni koyadam koodaa anthe thappu..
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Indiarocks:

Mokka ni champesi tinte adi adimsa, Cow ni kattesi, milk theesukunte ahimsa, kani kodi ni champi thinte himsa?




difference is pain

plants do not have advanced nervous system.
you need not kill a plant to enjoy its fruit.

you need not kill a cow for its milk.

if you cut a branch of the tree, it grows back again.
if you cut a leg of a goat, it wont grow back.
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Vjavasi:

patanjali yoga sutras lo ahimsa kooda vunnatu vundhi kadandi


Correct, but that's just for raja yoga practice. Even in that, limited food is encouraged to make body light ..its just a tradition that's all. In other spiritual pursuits like Jnana and karma yogas none of such habits is required per se. There is no prescribed protocol for spiritual practice. It varies from individual to individual. However, a stage comes where the habit goes by itself.
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Indiarocks:

Mokka ni champesi tinte adi adimsa, Cow ni kattesi, milk theesukunte ahimsa, kani kodi ni champi thinte himsa?

Idi hypocrisy kaaka enti?




mana culture lo green ga vunna chettuni narakatam kooda tappe...ekkada mokanni champaru..avi ripe ayyina taruvatha grains ni collect chestaaru...intaku mundhu process enti ante mundhu calf taagina taruvatha cow daggara nunchi milk teese vallu..cow has extra milk available not only for calf but also for others..that's how nature is helping humans...humans in turn should show gratitude towards them
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Indiarocks:

Idi ela decide chestavu?




may be humans used to hunt and eat raw meat.
i dont know. i am retracting my statement.


but in todays world, i am yet to see someone who doesnt eat plants at all.
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Indiarocks:

Aithe non-veg thine vallalo compassion undadu ani decide ayyara?





nenu atla analedhe...vegetarian diet helps ani cheppa...chalamandhi non-veg champatam choosina taruvatha manesina vallu vunnaru...atlanti vallaki compassion chala ekkuva antunna...
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Vjavasi:

patanjali yoga sutras lo ahimsa kooda vunnatu vundhi kadandi




Mokka ni champesi tinte adi adimsa, Cow ni kattesi, milk theesukunte ahimsa, kani kodi ni champi thinte himsa?

Idi hypocrisy kaaka enti?
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Vjavasi:

samadhi lo vunnantha maatrana spiritual ga high lo vunnatu antaara...bhagavantudi padaala daggara chere varaku evariki guarantee ledhu ani anukuntunna..i agree spirituality ki oke parameter ani cheppalemu..but na opinion entante vegetarian diet is first big step...it helps in developing compassion ani anukuntunna




Aithe non-veg thine vallalo compassion undadu ani decide ayyara?

Cocanada:

more over, I havent seen anyone who eats raw meat like other carnivorous animals.




civilizations develop avvaka mundu, before humans knew fire, ela thinevaro manam choosama?

Cocanada:

meat is an acquired state and not a necessity.
plant food
is a must.




Idi ela decide chestavu? Coz, you do not see plants bleed? Or is it coz ur a veggie?

Btw, I am a veggie too, but I do not consider eating non-veg as a sn.
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Ishan:

Food habits have nothing to do with spiritual enlightenment.




patanjali yoga sutras lo ahimsa kooda vunnatu vundhi kadandi
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I challenge the almighty if he can make these people come to a conclusion

You take care of yourself. Time takes care of everything.
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Food habits have nothing to do with spiritual enlightenment.
All generalizations have exceptions, including this one
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Cocanada:

hats why we do not have canine teeth.




annai, are you sure you don't have canines? :D
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had medium rare sirloin steak for lunch...
holy cow!! ..delicious

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Annai pointless argument...if you can't be compassionate to the fellow life forms and talk abt spirituality then we are treading the wrong course





I agree..compassion is first step in spirituality
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Cocanada,
Omnivores - many birds, bears, some species of apes/monkeys




OK

i thought humans are naturally herbivores. thats why we do not have canine teeth.

more over, I havent seen anyone who eats raw meat like other carnivorous animals.

meat is an acquired state and not a necessity.
plant food is a must.
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Annai pointless argument...if you can't be compassionate to the fellow life forms and talk abt spirituality then we are treading the wrong course
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Anand_n:

Spirituality's dependce on diet may be for some - I knew someone who could go into samadhi for hours at a time but to the dying day mukka lenide mudda digedi kadu spiritual progress ok Chaka variables untayi




samadhi lo vunnantha maatrana spiritual ga high lo vunnatu antaara...bhagavantudi padaala daggara chere varaku evariki guarantee ledhu ani anukuntunna..i agree spirituality ki oke parameter ani cheppalemu..but na opinion entante vegetarian diet is first big step...it helps in developing compassion ani anukuntunna
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Cocanada,
Omnivores - many birds, bears, some species of apes/monkeys

Kamal,
Sure veracity of history is up in the air so anything can be true or false:-)

Vjavasi,
Spirituality's dependce on diet may be for some - I knew someone who could go into samadhi for hours at a time but to the dying day mukka lenide mudda digedi kadu:-) spiritual progress ok Chaka variables untayi :-)
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inko explanation kooda vundhi...vedic sacrifices lo Bull ni sacrifice chesevaaru...but yagnam rule prakaram chesi success ayyite aa bull malli batikedhi ani..oka vela atla malli batakakapothe yagnam sarigga cheyyaledhu ani..danivallana karmic reactions yaganam chesina vallaki vastayyi ani...
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Viswamitrudu kukka mamsam tinnaru ani chadivinattu gurtu ....




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Viswamitrudu



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India lo beef gatam lo tinnara ledha ane vishayaniki vaste atleast after krishna they stopped eating ani cheppavachu...bhagavatam lo oka story vundhi...parikshit saw one person(kali) beating a one legged cow...he approached that offender and lifted his sword to kill him...then kali explained that he is doing his duty since it is kali yuga...then parikshit asked him to leave his kingdom since parikshit was ruler of earth at that time he said he needs shelter somewhere...then they agreed that kali will stay where Gold, meat, intoxication, and illicit sex is present...even during viswamitra times surabhi the mother of cow progeny was worshiped...some say in vedic rituals they used to sacrifice bulls...but i don't know much about vedic rites...we can fairly say beef eating is prohibited after and during the time of krishna (Dwaparayuga)
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Cocanada
Meeru cheppindi biologically correct avocchu though I doubt it -human body is designed to be an omnivore...my question was which scripture permits eating some meats while excluding beef.




Can you name one more omnivore on this planet?

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History does not support your claim that all Hindus started as vegetarians... Viswamitrudu kukka mamsam tinnaru ani chadivinattu gurtu ....




now .. for the sake of argument .. nenu plate phirayista .. and now I question the veracity of the same history .. how about that? :D
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Infact satvik Ahara is not prescribed for soldiers because it diminishes the "killer instinct".food is prescribed basedon quality makes them successful




andaru vegetarians avvalsina rule emi ledhu...valla valla occupations batti diet vundaali...kshatriyas meat tinaali adi vallaki tappu kadhu..rama kooda meat tinnadu...but kaliyuga lo meat eating effects severe ga vuntaayi ani antaaru..according to bagavatham in kaliyuga kali resides in four places...meat, gold, alchohol, illicit-sex..serious spiritual progress ki first step meat tinatam maneyatamu antaaru
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Meeru cheppindi biologically correct avocchu though I doubt it -human body is designed to be an omnivore...my question was which scripture permits eating some meats while excluding beef.

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History does not support your claim that all Hindus started as vegetarians... Viswamitrudu kukka mamsam tinnaru ani chadivinattu gurtu ....
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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naaku oka scholar cheppina vishayam idi.
cow and goat are way up the food chain to be consumed by humans. human body by design is not fit for eating mammals.

birds,fish are allowed
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So I am going back to ishan's point-guna is an attribute of the manas- food should not have the gunas by itself.as to people manifesting the qualities that is correct which is why

Infact satvik Ahara is not prescribed for soldiers because it diminishes the "killer instinct".food is prescribed basedon quality makes them successful :-)
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Kamalam bhai, disco chesi tire avvaku, waste.

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if at all you wanna eat meat.. better eat Veg animals like goats.. cows etc rather than shit eating pigs.. chicks etc..


Ante plants shix ni thinavaa iamim goru.. kiki.. may be meeru polam lo pani cheshi undaru.. naaku aa experience undi.. aa experience emi chebutundi ante.. plants ki entha shix esthe antha balangaa/pushtigaa peruguthai.. :D
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Agreed...Then all species have the possibility od being satvic, rajasic or tamasic kada




you got close .. but the dominant guna of the particular individual we are talking about is a reflection of what he eats, along with many other factors kadandi? you eat meat .. the tamasic gunas in your body flare up .. simple ..

why is it that people who consumed alchohol are in an inebriated state for some time .. it is because the alchohol has a bearing on the body .. same way meat or veggies or whatever we eat !
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Anand_n:

Agreed...Then all species have the possibility od being satvic, rajasic or tamasic kada





but manas is also aproduct of food kadhandi...meat eating animals manas is more rajasik and tamasik with no or negligible saatvic aspect
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Anand_n:

My question on the meats was mainly where this whole concept of goat, lamb,fish,pork, chicken is ok for Hindus came from ...?





hindus main ga tinedhi hen,fish,lamb that too previously once in a week...so eating meat is not a primary affair for hindus..as i said mentioned in the previous post there are certain rules to be followed for eating meat..they avoid beef because of reasons explained throughout this thread...ofcourse these days meat eating is catching up fast in india..now people in india are also loosing their finer tastes..they are going after tasted that can can give them some kick
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Vjavasi:

Is it a coincidence that humans mostly eat meat of herbivorous animals




Survival ? the higher amount of risk involved in procuring the meat of a carnivorous animal ayyi undochu kada ?


Vjavasi:

nature is primarily defined by manas...every living creature has all the three modes but what dominates its finer being is imortant ani anukuntunna ...




Agreed...Then all species have the possibility od being satvic, rajasic or tamasic kada :-)
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first reason avi ante bhayam...another reason is that kind of meat is not that edible for humans




Anyday Veg is better than meat for anyone.. if at all you wanna eat meat.. better eat Veg animals like goats.. cows etc rather than shit eating pigs.. chicks etc..
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they are vegeterians annaru




that food is veggie annaru aayana .. !
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Anand_n:

My question on the meats was mainly where this whole concept of goat, lamb,fish,pork, chicken is ok for Hindus came from ...?




in my view .. even they are not ok .. it is only that Hindus started making compromises and the result is we are here today !
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auv annai. naaku adhe doubt. Simham/puli etc meat thintara,if not why




first reason avi ante bhayam...another reason is that kind of meat is not that edible for humans
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Anand_n:

Extend that thought...If Cow is satvic, beef should be satvic too which is definitely not the case






sorry .. but a similar theory has been put forward by my prof 3 years ago .. and I was baffled .. because he said cow, hen, goat, buffalo, pig, horse do not eat meat .. they are vegeterians annaru .. mahanubhaava .. enti ee vithandam ani .. pakkaki tappukunna ! malli mee nunchi ila similar statement choostanu anukoledu !
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Aauv annai. naaku adhe doubt. Simham/puli etc meat thintara,if not why
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Parthasaradhi:

alanti vaallani chooste konchem inspiration vastundi ani. Simplicity is the nature's formula. Good for him.




okko roju .. fruit juice taagi padukuntaadu .. eats lots of fruits .. raw veggies .. small amounts of milk .. slowly nenu kooda aa lifestyle lo ki veltunna .. though ippatiki aithe poorti ga alavaatu kakapoyina .. nimmadi ga alavaatu padutondi body .. !
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Anand_n:

Not logical kada Extend that thought...If Cow is satvic, beef should be satvic too which is definitely not the case Which is why I am saying the satvic nature of food is really defined by the guna it triggers in the person consuming it.




Cow meat may not be saatvic..but the manas of cow is saatvic.. nature is primarily defined by manas...every living creature has all the three modes but what dominates its finer being is imortant ani anukuntunna ...there are differences in meat also based on what they eat..for example meat of tiger is different from Cow..we may not be able to digest it...Is it a coincidence that humans mostly eat meat of herbivorous animals
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Vjavasi:

if Gunas are influenced by consumption of certain kind of food then it is logical to say that a particular guna dominates that food..ayyana prakruthi mottamu trigunatmakame kadandi...konni scriptures lo meat tinavachu after offering (bali) to kali ani vunnatu evaro chepithe vinna...but atla chesina kaani dani karmic effects vuntaayi ani chepparu..




Not logical kada :-) Extend that thought...If Cow is satvic, beef should be satvic too which is definitely not the case:-) Which is why I am saying the satvic nature of food is really defined by the guna it triggers in the person consuming it.

My question on the meats was mainly where this whole concept of goat, lamb,fish,pork, chicken is ok for Hindus came from ...?
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Thanks Kamal and Imaim.

alanti vaallani chooste konchem inspiration vastundi ani. Simplicity is the nature's formula. Good for him.
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Parthasaradhi:

kamal bhai konchem explain cheyyi




ante .. em ledu .. chaala manchi vaadu .. he leads a very simple and disciplined life .. alavaatlu .. paddatulu .. behavior anni daaniki anugunam ga untayi ani cheptunna anthe .. gem of a person ..
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kamal bhai konchem explain cheyy




Garlic.. Onion.. are not Satvic..
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keka ante keka kurradu




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very true....foods are indeed classified as satvik,thamasic and rajasic....kadantam ridiculous...its written in the scriptures clearly




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Vjavasi:

if Gunas are influenced by consumption of certain kind of food then it is logical to say that a particular guna dominates that food..ayyana prakruthi mottamu trigunatmakame kadandi...konni scriptures lo meat tinavachu after offering (bali) to kali ani vunnatu evaro chepithe vinna...but atla chesina kaani dani karmic effects vuntaayi ani chepparu..




very true....foods are indeed classified as satvik,thamasic and rajasic....kadantam ridiculous...its written in the scriptures clearly
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Anand_n:

As far as I know , this is not the food's clsssification but of the impact consuming that food has on the person... BTW, edanna scripture lo konni meats tinochu konni tinakudadu ani unda ? Just curious.





if Gunas are influenced by consumption of certain kind of food then it is logical to say that a particular guna dominates that food..ayyana prakruthi mottamu trigunatmakame kadandi...konni scriptures lo meat tinavachu after offering (bali) to kali ani vunnatu evaro chepithe vinna...but atla chesina kaani dani karmic effects vuntaayi ani chepparu..
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foods ki kooda saatvic,tamasic,rajasic ane classification vundhi kadha




As far as I know , this is not the food's clsssification but of the impact consuming that food has on the person... :-)BTW, edanna scripture lo konni meats tinochu konni tinakudadu ani unda ? Just curious.

I think food habits evolved based on what was available and good for the population in the area...which is why in different areas different foods take religious significance...there is a custom in the west on not eating meat on Fridays and staying with fish...hence the friday fish and chips.

The other day someone was explaining the source of the religious tradition.The fishing catch came in on Fridays in England and the people were not eating enough fish to sustain the fishermen of the area. So the fisherment got together with the clerics and explained their woes. The clerics prescribed abstinence from meat on Fridays and the fish in the fish market got cleaned out as soon as it landed on Friday- the people felt pious, the fishermen made a living :-)
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i think their entire life is bound by desires & karma associated with it..same is the case with human beings except that their intelligence is more evolved and the soul has got a chance to express itself..only when soul shows inclination to surrender(which is possible in human life) a channel uninfluenced by desire or karma will open..this desire for surrender is not bound by any karma..it is the original desire of soul..it is not bound by time..it can happen any time..until then soul revolves in samsaara..there are exceptions in puranas where even animals surrendered (ex Gajendra)..in Bhagavatham one bharat maharaj takes birth as a deer which remembers past life


Nice succinct explanation from dualistic point of view, thanks.
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Ishan:

well said. Cows represent the sattvic aspect of nature through appearance and habits which probably made them to be used as symbols of worship. Btw, do you believe that animals are not bound by karma?




i think their entire life is bound by desires & karma associated with it..same is the case with human beings except that their intelligence is more evolved and the soul has got a chance to express itself..only when soul shows inclination to surrender(which is possible in human life) a channel uninfluenced by desire or karma will open..this desire for surrender is not bound by any karma..it is the original desire of soul..it is not bound by time..it can happen any time..until then soul revolves in samsaara..there are exceptions in puranas where even animals surrendered (ex Gajendra)..in Bhagavatham one bharat maharaj takes birth as a deer which remembers past life
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sorry for answering a Q not intended at me
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Ishan:

Btw, do you believe that animals are not bound by karma?




In as much appealing it seems...I find it hard to believe so...even they are sentient beings, in a much constrained domain perhaps. But I find it hard to believe that they are just recourse less.
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it can't express because it has no choice...infact animal life is to extinguish karma there is no choice available...but lack of choice is no reason to treat it as a low being...infact sometimes i feel just because a person is in tamasic mode we cannot judge the qualitiy of his soul...may be he is doing that as part of his karma..in the next life he may become a great saint.. the idea is in worshiping cow we are expressing our gratitude to satvic part of nature which expects such worship from those who got benefited by it


well said. Cows represent the sattvic aspect of nature through appearance and habits which probably made them to be used as symbols of worship. Btw, do you believe that animals are not bound by karma?
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Zulu:

o you eat Dog?..ante hotdog kadu kukka mamsam If no..why not



Zulu:

Do you eat Dog?..ante hotdog kadu kukka mamsam If no..why not?




zulu dorling..do u eat mango tree leaves? if no,, why not?
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Ishan:

Yes, at pure physical level what you said is true. My point is to say that its improper to classify a cow as sattvic based on its behavior because it has no choice.




it can't express because it has no choice...infact animal life is to extinguish karma there is no choice available...but lack of choice is no reason to treat it as a low being...infact sometimes i feel just because a person is in tamasic mode we cannot judge the qualitiy of his soul...may be he is doing that as part of his karma..in the next life he may become a great saint.. the idea is in worshiping cow we are expressing our gratitude to satvic part of nature which expects such worship from those who got benefited by it
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Kamal:

also cheppanu ga .. religious significance kooda addition for aavu ..





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Because buffalo has no mythological significance in addition to those qualities.




Good, Religious significance undi..scriptures lo ala chepparu..ante nenu argue cheyyanu, because I am not interested in that aspect..

The point i am trying to make is..aa video of Cow uses choopinchi..anduke memu cow ni poojistham anna idea icharu..which is wrong because if that is the case..one should worship buffalo aswell..

Inka ee thread tho naku paniledu..enjoy.
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melikalu tiragadam emundi .. aavu ki .. gedhe ki teda undi ani nammutunna ..

also cheppanu ga .. religious significance kooda addition for aavu ..
Sach aur saahas hai jiske mann mein - anth mein jeeth usee ki rahe ..
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ayina pooja ki nochukoledu..enduku?


Because buffalo has no mythological significance in addition to those qualities.
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Vjavasi:

may be you are talking about gunas at the level of intelligence..my opinion is this universe is combination of trigunas at every level (at pancha bhoota level,manas level, budhi level, ahankara level)


Yes, at pure physical level what you said is true. My point is to say that its improper to classify a cow as sattvic based on its behavior because it has no choice.
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cheppam kada .. no body is objecting to it ..




Melikalu thirogodhu..not objecting is not the same as worshipping. Aa video lo cheppina qualities anni gedha matha ki unnayi..ayina pooja ki nochukoledu..enduku?
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Cow by nature submissive gaa untundi ani, worship cheyadam, some other animal by nature tries to defend itself from exploitation ani, worship cheyaka povadam hypocrisy anukuntunna.

Aa submissive nature, aggressive nature ekkada nundi vachayi? Demudu isthene gaa?





worship is nothing but expressing gratitude....we can express gratitude to anything if we feel so...not only cows they worship snakes in india...not only snakes there are people who worship ghosts(black magic)...it's nothing but worshiping different modes of nature...bharateeya civilization realised the imporatnce of cow and its progeny in maintaining the balance on this earth...different species ki different nature demudu ichada lekapothe vaati karma phalama anedhi another philosophical topic avutundhi...many in india feel like worshiping cow...but no one prohibits worship of other animals
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Zulu:

Inni worship chesinollu maa gedha matha ni enduku worship cheyyaru..ante cheppatledu..em chestham khandistham




cheppam kada .. no body is objecting to it .. you can do it .. if you feel so .. but you cannot ask the rest of us to accept it or agree !
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Do you eat Dog?..ante hotdog kadu kukka mamsam If no..why not?
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fish,



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varaaham



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Kamal:

we worship a lion in the form of Narasimha avatara, fish, tortoise, snake, elephant, peacock, rat, varaaham etc




Inni worship chesinollu maa gedha matha ni enduku worship cheyyaru..ante cheppatledu..em chestham khandistham
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Ishan:

Vriddha naari pativrataha




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Ishan:

Arnold scwarzenegger ni violent person ga decide chesavaa ayithe....




ante violent ani kadu .. kaani very strong man kada .. more so .. aa vrudda nari pativrata concept ni koncham realistic chesaa .. :D

Indiarocks:

Cow by nature submissive gaa untundi ani, worship cheyadam, some other animal by nature tries to defend itself from exploitation ani, worship cheyaka povadam hypocrisy anukuntunna.




not at all .. we do not stop at worshiping a cow .. we worship a lion in the form of Narasimha avatara, fish, tortoise, snake, elephant, peacock, rat, varaaham etc etc .. I do not think there is any hypocrisy .. you actually worship whatever qualities "you" feel are positive ..
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Ishan:

I didnt mean to say action should be ignored. But Motivation behind it must be considered. A cow cant kill others because it is not inherently equipped. Vriddha naari pativrataha ani oka sametha undi, same concept. When you have power and reason to kill some one and still don't do it, then that's true sattva guna. The idea is to defy nature, not concur with it.





may be you are talking about gunas at the level of intelligence..my opinion is this universe is combination of trigunas at every level (at pancha bhoota level,manas level, budhi level, ahankara level)
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Kamal:


ante .. Gandhi ahimsa paatinchadam goppa kaadu .. Arnold Schwarzenegger gadu ahimsa paatinchadam goppa antavu .


Arnold scwarzenegger ni violent person ga decide chesavaa ayithe....
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Vjavasi:

prapancham lo deniki proof ledhu....1+1 =2 ki proof eenti...proof is our experience and experience of human race




Cow by nature submissive gaa untundi ani, worship cheyadam, some other animal by nature tries to defend itself from exploitation ani, worship cheyaka povadam hypocrisy anukuntunna.

Aa submissive nature, aggressive nature ekkada nundi vachayi? Demudu isthene gaa?
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Ishan:

I didnt mean to say action should be ignored. But Motivation behind it must be considered. The idea is to defy nature, not concur with it.




ante .. Gandhi ahimsa paatinchadam goppa kaadu .. Arnold Schwarzenegger gadu ahimsa paatinchadam goppa antavu .. :D

j/k
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Vjavasi:



Even if one has good motivation it's very difficult for even humans to materialize it because of the predominance of a particular nature..except for very few self realised people we are all bound my nature (three gunas)...but the question is should we exclude instincts from nature(tri gunas)


I didnt mean to say action should be ignored. But Motivation behind it must be considered. A cow cant kill others because it is not inherently equipped. Vriddha naari pativrataha ani oka sametha undi, same concept. When you have power and reason to kill some one and still don't do it, then that's true sattva guna. The idea is to defy nature, not concur with it.
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Indiarocks:



Cow satvic nature ani manam anukuntunnamu anthe. daaniki proof edi?

Aa video lo kooda Cow edi aasinchakunda milk istundi ani artham vachetatlu aanadu. Manaki telusa Cow aanandam gaa milk istondo, lekapothe ila nannu pindestunnadu ani badha padutondo?




prapancham lo deniki proof ledhu....1+1 =2 ki proof eenti...proof is our experience and experience of human race


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China Jeeyar swami chepparu "Sarva prani seva ye Madhava seva" ani. Naku baga nachindi.




ippudu kadhani evaru annaru...ayane madhavudiki govulu ante ishtam ani cheppi vuntaare
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Vjavasi:

Cow is predominantly satvic in nature..that is the reason we worship cow and its progeny




Cow satvic nature ani manam anukuntunnamu anthe. daaniki proof edi?

Aa video lo kooda Cow edi aasinchakunda milk istundi ani artham vachetatlu aanadu. Manaki telusa Cow aanandam gaa milk istondo, lekapothe ila nannu pindestunnadu ani badha padutondo?

China Jeeyar swami chepparu "Sarva prani seva ye Madhava seva" ani. Naku baga nachindi.
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Vjavasi:

manaki scope chala takkuva brother...manaki ee quality kavali ante adhi raadu..manaku nature ichina few options lone choice vuntundhi...we can't go beyond that...anduke sreyan swadharmo vigunaha ani krishna anttadu...manam evarrino choosi valla laga avvali ante kastam...but we have to use the choices we have properly..anta kante manam emi cheyyalem




hmm .. well .. mee version convincing ga ne undi .. probably .. certain people cannot be certain ways andukenemo .. !
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but how do we get those qualities if we do not have them ..? is it not achievable? can they not be developed by sheer hard work and penance? at a higher level .. your statement feels true .. but deep inside my heart, I want it to be false, I want this whole world to develop good qualities by virtue of their actions and intentions .. is that mere wishful thinking?





manaki scope chala takkuva brother...manaki ee quality kavali ante adhi raadu..manaku nature ichina few options lone choice vuntundhi...we can't go beyond that...anduke sreyan swadharmo vigunaha ani krishna anttadu...manam evarrino choosi valla laga avvali ante kastam...but we have to use the choices we have properly..anta kante manam emi cheyyalem
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saaru oka pakkana okallu ekkuva okallu thakkuva kadu antaru, malli ila antaru...ento ee chinni burraki anni questions ye?





human society oka path direction anevi levu antaara...vunnayi ante mari daaniki opposite direction ni takkuvaga choosinattu avutundha
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this is true...that humans can be anything they want is proper lie...you have to have that quality in u intrinsically




but how do we get those qualities if we do not have them ..? is it not achievable? can they not be developed by sheer hard work and penance? at a higher level .. your statement feels true .. but deep inside my heart, I want it to be false, I want this whole world to develop good qualities by virtue of their actions and intentions .. is that mere wishful thinking?
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Vjavasi:

indian tradition lo sathva gunaniki importance vundhi because it is divine and closer to truth..




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Vjavasi:

Even if one has good motivation it's very difficult for even humans to materialize it because of the predominance of a particular nature..except for very few self realised people we are all bound my nature (three gunas)...but the question is should we exclude instincts from nature(tri gunas)




this is true...that humans can be anything they want is proper lie...you have to have that quality in u intrinsically
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Ishan:

Triguna definition should not be taken purely from the context of action. Motivation must be the real factor in classifying them. Animals work purely on the basis of instincts. They do what nature orders them to do. A tiger kills a cow because it is ordered by the nature to do so. They dont have a choice. If not killing or hurting others is the criterion for sattva guna, plants are the greatest saints of this world.

Humans on the other hand have a choice. A person purely operated by natural instincts or genes is predominantly thamasic. Another person who is motivated to gain some thing for himself or his family is rajasic, like most people. Lastly, a person motivated to help others and nothing for himself is sattvic. A person with no motivations at all is a yogi. So farther you go against your nature, purer you will become.




Even if one has good motivation it's very difficult for even humans to materialize it because of the predominance of a particular nature..except for very few self realised people we are all bound my nature (three gunas)...but the question is should we exclude instincts from nature(tri gunas)
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Vjavasi:


foods ki kooda saatvic,tamasic,rajasic ane classification vundhi kadha mari animals ki lekhapovatm enti....i think unlike humans animals are completely controlled by three modes of nature..


Triguna definition should not be taken purely from the context of action. Motivation must be the real factor in classifying them. Animals work purely on the basis of instincts. They do what nature orders them to do. A tiger kills a cow because it is ordered by the nature to do so. They dont have a choice. If not killing or hurting others is the criterion for sattva guna, plants are the greatest saints of this world.

Humans on the other hand have a choice. A person purely operated by natural instincts or genes is predominantly thamasic. Another person who is motivated to gain some thing for himself or his family is rajasic, like most people. Lastly, a person motivated to help others and nothing for himself is sattvic. A person with no motivations at all is a yogi. So farther you go against your nature, purer you will become.
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so anta chuse kalla lo undi, right?? idanta mana taste, perception right?? avi individual level lo untay right?? individual level lo aagi povali right?? so, oka society/way of living/religion level lo define cheste danni racism ane antaru.....adi taste avvadu rule avutundi.....




This is what wiki says ..


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Society or human society is the manner or condition in which the members of a community live together for their mutual benefit. By extension, society denotes the people of a region or country, sometimes even the world, taken as a whole.[1] Used in the sense of an association, a society is a body of individuals outlined by the bounds of functional interdependence, possibly comprising characteristics such as national or cultural identity, social solidarity, language or hierarchical organization. Human societies are characterized by patterns of relationships between individuals sharing a distinctive culture and institutions. Like other communities or groups, a society allows its members to achieve needs or wishes they could not fulfill alone.




now who is right and who is wrong? :D
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so anta chuse kalla lo undi, right?? idanta mana taste, perception right?? avi individual level lo untay right?? individual level lo aagi povali right?? so, oka society/way of living/religion level lo define cheste danni racism ane antaru.....adi taste avvadu rule avutundi.....




lol .. did you ever hear .. society being a reflection of collective grouping of individuals .. or is it different as per liberal views .. kiki
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so anta chuse kalla lo undi, right?? idanta mana taste, perception right?? avi individual level lo untay right?? individual level lo aagi povali right?? so, oka society/way of living/religion level lo define cheste danni racism ane antaru.....adi taste avvadu rule avutundi.....

kiki, aavu devata aite gede enduku kaadu ani ikkada andari doubt.....hinduism lo aavu gede etc; anni samajaniki manchi chestayi ani cheppunte good.....aavu matrame enduku ispeshal?? tellaga untadi ana??

anyway enjoy.....later




Rose baguntundhi anedhi general perception...allage deer,cow,rabbit ivvani soft animals anedhi general perception...as a human we may not be able to generalize nature of fellow humans...but i think we can fairly generalize likes and dislikes of humans with respect to other species
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Neeku moodindi..nee punyama ani naku mooduthundi, Inka oka kurrod itu raledu..vochedooo manamantha jumpjilani..




nenu already jump @ the rate of jilani
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nallaga vunanata matrana vikaaram ga vundali ani emi ledhu...nallaga vunna vallu attractive ga chala mandhi vuntaaru...tellaga vunna vallalo vikaaram ga chala mandhi kanipistaaru....madiga vaale nallaga vundaali ani ekkada vundhi...nenu chala mandhi nallaga vunde brahmins ni choosanu...again aa attractiveness ki color okkate base kaadhu...if like and dislike is raceism..i think all humans are racists including madigas or blacks




so anta chuse kalla lo undi, right?? idanta mana taste, perception right?? avi individual level lo untay right?? individual level lo aagi povali right?? so, oka society/way of living/religion level lo define cheste danni racism ane antaru.....adi taste avvadu rule avutundi.....

kiki, aavu devata aite gede enduku kaadu ani ikkada andari doubt.....hinduism lo aavu gede etc; anni samajaniki manchi chestayi ani cheppunte good.....aavu matrame enduku ispeshal?? tellaga untadi ana??

anyway enjoy.....later
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aint defining racism??

hahah,gingarala juttu vesukuni nallaga unna maadigonni sutte vikaramga anipistadi, silky hair esukuni tellaga( suvarnacccchaya lol) unna....endukule chuste AHLADAKARAM ga anipstundi.....kikiki....

danni acha telugulo racism antarani seppalani undi....





nallaga vunanata matrana vikaaram ga vundali ani emi ledhu...nallaga vunna vallu attractive ga chala mandhi vuntaaru...tellaga vunna vallalo vikaaram ga chala mandhi kanipistaaru....madiga vaale nallaga vundaali ani ekkada vundhi...nenu chala mandhi nallaga vunde brahmins ni choosanu...again aa attractiveness ki color okkate base kaadhu...if like and dislike is raceism..i think all humans are racists including madigas or blacks
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Neeku moodindi..nee punyama ani naku mooduthundi, Inka oka kurrod itu raledu..vochedooo manamantha jumpjilani..
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ippudu oka member vacchi OKA PEDDHA bandarai esi potharu anukuntunna:d:d
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Ishan:

My belief is that this concept of satva, rajo and tamo gunas can not be applied to animals. All animals are embodiments of thamo guna, whether it is a lion or a cow. That concept is only for human.





foods ki kooda saatvic,tamasic,rajasic ane classification vundhi kadha mari animals ki lekhapovatm enti....i think unlike humans animals are completely controlled by three modes of nature..
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atlage nature lo konnitini chooste ahladakarmga vuntundhi konnitini chooste vikaaramga vuntundhi




aint defining racism??

hahah,gingarala juttu vesukuni nallaga unna maadigonni sutte vikaramga anipistadi, silky hair esukuni tellaga( suvarnacccchaya lol) unna....endukule chuste AHLADAKARAM ga anipstundi.....kikiki....

danni acha telugulo racism antarani seppalani undi....
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So cow is sathvic and buffalo is not??..eey basis meeda?

Aavu arupu lo daivathvam untundi ani mathram cheppaku..please, lets leave our prejudices at humans..





...nenu just underlying theory cheppanu......aavuni chooste special feeling kalugutundhi adhi prejudice ante i can't help it..atlage nature lo konnitini chooste ahladakarmga vuntundhi konnitini chooste vikaaramga vuntundhi konnitni chooste ee feeling kalagadhu...atla ani cheppi vikaarmga anipiche vaatini nasanam cheyyali anedhi koodha mana concept kaadhu..
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Zulu:

So cow is sathvic and buffalo is not??..eey basis meeda?


My belief is that this concept of satva, rajo and tamo gunas can not be applied to animals. All animals are embodiments of thamo guna, whether it is a lion or a cow. That concept is only for human.
All generalizations have exceptions, including this one
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i agree with you
buffalo is also sacred

kaanee 1000s of years back buffalos were not providers anukuntunna

no racism anukuntuna.
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racism ane word correct kadhu kaani...all humans and animals are not same anedhi mana concept...this is the truth...western liberals enni kaburlu cheppina reality ni marchaleru...western society kooda ee inequality ki ateetamu kadhu...equal kadhu ante okallu ekkuva inkokallu takkuva ani kadhu..there is diversity in nature ani artham...that diversity is because of three types of gunas (sathva, Rajo, and tamo)...veeti combinations vallana different species with diverse nature puttayi..indian tradition lo sathva gunaniki importance vundhi because it is divine and closer to truth...Cow is predominantly satvic in nature..that is the reason we worship cow and its progeny


Very well said. In addition, cattle have mythological significance in hinduism. Krishna was gopal and shiva's vehicle is bull. Moreover, buffaloes in India belong to water buffalo category which usually like to stay in water most of the time and because of that they are considered unclean because they spend most of the time in mud. However, if you really crunch the numbers, buffaloes are more useful and used economically than cows.
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btw nenu racism annadi just comedy ki..oogi povodhu, already kamal kurrod lopala lopala ooguthunnad




baseless .. edi comedy .. edi kaadu telidu anukuntunnava annai .. :D
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Cocanada:

WTF are you talking?
nipple chusi aahaa ohho anaaaraaA? whats wrong with you?
edho excellent question adiginattu cutting istunnavu.
this thread is about how cow worship and how not killing cows for food will make this world a greener, wealthier place.
you have the right to disagree but you can not pollute the thread.


coke endhuku antha serious avuthaav???? chill....too much serious gaa theeskoku....why only cow?? why not goat....why not hen....why not fish....we kill all of them.....nipple antey endhuku ooguthunnav??? wt frock is wrong with u....dhenamma taliban ni chesi dhobbela unnaru ga DB ni....breast n nipple antey ibbandhi padipothunnar.....lol
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btw nenu racism annadi just comedy ki..oogi povodhu, already kamal kurrod lopala lopala ooguthunnad :-)
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Vjavasi:

Cow is predominantly satvic in nature..that is the reason we worship cow and its progeny




So cow is sathvic and buffalo is not??..eey basis meeda?

Aavu arupu lo daivathvam untundi ani mathram cheppaku..please, lets leave our prejudices at humans..
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racism ane word correct kadhu kaani...all humans and animals are not same anedhi mana concept...this is the truth...western liberals enni kaburlu cheppina reality ni marchaleru...western society kooda ee inequality ki ateetamu kadhu...equal kadhu ante okallu ekkuva inkokallu takkuva ani kadhu..there is diversity in nature ani artham...that diversity is because of three types of gunas (sathva, Rajo, and tamo)...veeti combinations vallana different species with diverse nature puttayi..indian tradition lo sathva gunaniki importance vundhi because it is divine and closer to truth...Cow is predominantly satvic in nature..that is the reason we worship cow and its progeny




excellent .. 5 stars ..
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coke mama....iam just kidding....iina nipple soopisthey ahan ohon annaru....nenu question chesthey ibbandhi padipothar....kamedy lekunda pothondhi....nenu jump




WTF are you talking?

nipple chusi aahaa ohho anaaaraaA? whats wrong with you?

edho excellent question adiginattu cutting istunnavu.

this thread is about how cow worship and how not killing cows for food will make this world a greener, wealthier place.

you have the right to disagree but you can not pollute the thread.
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Zulu:

Gedha nu "matha" ga poojichaka povatam, mana thara tharala racism ki nidarsanam..

Adhe vidham ga ambothu nu, dunnapothu nu "Pitha" ga poojinchakapovatam..gender discrimination ki example..nenu deenni khanda khandalu ga khandisthunna.




racism ane word correct kadhu kaani...all humans and animals are not same anedhi mana concept...this is the truth...western liberals enni kaburlu cheppina reality ni marchaleru...western society kooda ee inequality ki ateetamu kadhu...equal kadhu ante okallu ekkuva inkokallu takkuva ani kadhu..there is diversity in nature ani artham...that diversity is because of three types of gunas (sathva, Rajo, and tamo)...veeti combinations vallana different species with diverse nature puttayi..indian tradition lo sathva gunaniki importance vundhi because it is divine and closer to truth...Cow is predominantly satvic in nature..that is the reason we worship cow and its progeny
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kamedy lekunda pothondhi.



tammud, edho oka saari antey kamedy anukovachu...daani meedhey padhey padhey antey kamedy kampu avuthadhi
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Now tell me honestly (atleast coke) ....wat do u feel when u see that visual??? why do u think ram teri ganga maili became such a huge hit??




elca annai
serious ga cheptunna
if you dont like the contents of the video. take it easy. thed kampu lepaku.

db l oevvariki raani doubts neeku enduku ostunnayi?

forget about megan fox. consider an average hindu woman. i wouldnt care if she is breast feeding.
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coke mama....iam just kidding....iina nipple soopisthey ahan ohon annaru....nenu question chesthey ibbandhi padipothar....kamedy lekunda pothondhi....nenu jump
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asalu moderators evaru leranukunta...
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dude, inka aapeyadam better ee topic
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dunnapothu nu "Pitha" ga poojinchakapovatam




step father ga oka gaanee

father ga pujinchalemu


ANYWAY.........ELCA KAMAM VALLA THED GABBU LECHINDI

decent people raakunda kudirite (A) symbol ettandi thed title lo


kampu lepadam continue cheskovachu
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ok lets agree nipple with a baby is acceptible....now lets say megan fox and salma hayek are breast feeding their babies sitting on a bench in indhira park with their whole rack exposed...Now all u nipple with baby lovers are jogging through that path...Now tell me honestly (atleast coke) ....wat do u feel when u see that visual??? why do u think ram teri ganga maili became such a huge hit??
tits are tits n nipples are nipples irrespective of when and where they got exposed....
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Gedha nu "matha" ga poojichaka povatam, mana thara tharala racism ki nidarsanam..

Adhe vidham ga ambothu nu, dunnapothu nu "Pitha" ga poojinchakapovatam..gender discrimination ki example..nenu deenni khanda khandalu ga khandisthunna.
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Elcaminocapastrino:

U mean to say a woman can breast feed her baby in front of whole world flashing her tits n nipples?? Me Myself and Irene cinema soosava???




nee bottom line enti?
video lo nipple undi kabatti , the video doesnt make sense.

anthe naa?
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Thread gabbu leparu ga.. gabbu ganlu..
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Cocanada:

nipple with a baby is acceptable


U mean to say a woman can breast feed her baby in front of whole world flashing her tits n nipples?? Me Myself and Irene cinema soosava???
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gootle Elcamino

ani malli prove cheskunnavu :D

cheppina important vishayalu anni pakkana petti...aa one second gurinchi burra baadeskuntunnav
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nipple choosina prathisari atla melikalu tiragavalsina vasaram ledhu...adhi kooda chala pavitramainadhe ane message ivvalani aa video lo choopinchademo
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Elcaminocapastrino:

wats the point of the nipple? Why the nipple? who wants to see a nipple in this eedio?




nipple has context

nipple with a baby is acceptable

nipple with another man or woman is not acceptable
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I mean think seriously....wats the point of showing nipple in this video....already he showed us a visual of a mother feeding her baby in a very decent and appealin manner....then he showed us a visual of a sexy female doc kissin the baby and suddenly this nipple pops up from no where....wats the point of the nipple? Why the nipple? who wants to see a nipple in this eedio? I want an explanation from coke the maker of this eedio....
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Kamal:

nee style ni samalkot santha lo tagalabetta .. style kaavala neeku .. eti seskuntaav vaay style tho .. kadupu nimputunda .. global warming aagutunda?




i am a racist Kamal thammud

i accept it :D
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Elcaminocapastrino:




elca uncle
nee youtube id enti?
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Elcaminocapastrino:

sudden ga manch classical music bg lo





Sach aur saahas hai jiske mann mein - anth mein jeeth usee ki rahe ..
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Cocanada:

kaane cheppukotaaniki style gaa ledu






nee style ni samalkot santha lo tagalabetta .. style kaavala neeku .. eti seskuntaav vaay style tho .. kadupu nimputunda .. global warming aagutunda?
Sach aur saahas hai jiske mann mein - anth mein jeeth usee ki rahe ..
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sudden ga manch classical music bg lo nipple sooichadu....kiki....
between people with lactose intolerance ee eedio soodagaaney automatic ga resttoom ki parigedatharu....so much milk...kiki
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Cocanada:


ippatiki special occassions,abhishekams ki aaavu palu tecchi vadutharu
Gigantic Techno fuctional Mega Blockbuster Magnum Opus BOMMA
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Zulu:

Coco dorling why laughing?

Nuvvu Aavu paalu thaagi perigava..Gedha paalu thagi perigava?




nenu chinnappudu aavu paalu. konchem pedha ayinappati ninchi gedhe paalu.

gedhe thalli tho samaanam

kaane cheppukotaaniki style gaa ledu :D
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Zulu:

Why it is no geda maatha..but just Go Matha..Racismaa?




discriminate cheyyamani evaranna cheppara? apart from the social uses of a cow .. in a Hindu way of living, cow is sacred due to its religious significance as well .. where as a buffalo is a vehicle of yama and not anything else .. :D
Sach aur saahas hai jiske mann mein - anth mein jeeth usee ki rahe ..
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Cocanada:




Coco dorling why laughing?

Nuvvu Aavu paalu thaagi perigava..Gedha paalu thagi perigava?

Gedha paalu thaagi aavu ni poojinchatam..cultural slavery at its finest kind ani der sculer posts choosi arthamayyindi..
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wrong quote.

Quoted to Zulu
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Zulu:

Same reasons anni Buffalo kooda apply avuthayi..

Why it is no geda maatha..but just Go Matha..Racismaa?





anni buffalo ki apply kaavu...buffalo ki kooda manam daniki ivvalsina respect isthamu...aavu chala graceful ga vuntundhi daani arupulo kooda daivathwam vuntundhi...Gedha atla kaadhu...renditi nature lo difference vundhi...Cow is best among milk giving animals
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Cocanada:




nee post lo maanchi depth undi

gedhe enduko kallaki pleasing gaa undadu. aavu ki gedhe ki difference. same difference between tella ammayi and kallu ammayi. black color, tholu mandham.

gedhe maata anakapovadam may be raicsm.

scientific reason may be that...gedhe ni only recent times ninchi vaadutunnaru anukuntunna. anduke scriptures lo undakapovachu
or
"go" means all animals belonging to aavu jaathi
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actually, Zulu adigindhey adugudamanukunna. mana illallo cow milk kantey gedha milk ye taaguthaamu kadha? (desam lo)
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Zulu:

Same reasons anni Buffalo kooda apply avuthayi..

Why it is no geda maatha..but just Go Matha..Racismaa?






vaaaaaamooo................
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Same reasons anni Buffalo kooda apply avuthayi..

Why it is no geda maatha..but just Go Matha..Racismaa?
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Vjavasi:

Bharateeya thought process ni chala simple ga explain chesaadu using Cow




yes

cow ni base gaa teeskuni

organic liivng
materialism
responsibility
gratitude

chaala points ni neat ga manchi example ichi explain chesadu
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excellent .. :-)

vande go maataram .. ani oorike analedu peddalu ..
Sach aur saahas hai jiske mann mein - anth mein jeeth usee ki rahe ..
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Cocanada:


excellent mama.....thanks
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Cocanada:





Bagundhi brother video....Bharateeya thought process ni chala simple ga explain chesaadu using Cow...manavalla wealth definition lo gosampada anedhi important parameter...
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chinnapati ninchi ilaa explain cheste ...we will not lose next generation to materialism anukuntunna

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpqG5peA2dk&feature=related

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