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BJP Must Go into Vanvaas


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They should know better than anyone that Ramayan requires Ram and Ravan, not just the vanar sena


In some hours the Raghu-kul of the Congress would have annointed a ruler for Maharashtra. For the third successive term and for the first term since 1990 a full majority government led by Congress will take oath soon in Mumbai.

The BJP, meanwhile, will rue and lament how their RamRaj was set afire by a "lanka-bhedi" and how they were laid low by the Thackeray vs Thackeray war. Obviously, they won't remember that there was no split in Sena in 2004 and yet they lost.

The problem is that they are yet to recognise that they lost the 2004 polls. They think they won the polls but lost power. Indeed they are yet to introspect why they lost 2004 and 2009 polls. Last time they met for chintan they successfully banned a book in Gujarat and expelled a leader. They thought they had vanquished the ghost of defeat.

What is missing is the honesty of purpose that is a necessary condition for leadership. Soon after the 2004 poll results Pramod Mahajan openly accepted defeat. We have seen many claimants for the victories in Karnataka or MP but nobody ready to take responsibility for defeat.

It is no use blaming MINUTES and Raj Thackeray for the defeat. Worse the party was forewarned. It could have chosen the new sena over the old one or produced a Mahajan to forge an alliance with both the Dadar Sena and the Bandra Sena. You can't fight a war without an objective and you can't hope to win the next one without introspection.

In October 2004, soon after the defeat of BJP-SS in the Maha polls Mahajan called me. "Brahman what is your theory" he asked. I said "every Ramayan requires a Ravan to be defeated and yours had no Ravan. So the people couldn't connect with your story." In true Mahajan style he agreed with a laugh and quipped "now like in films you have to produce both a Ram and paint a Ravan."

Truth be said both in the Lok Sabha and Assembly polls the BJP had neither a Ram nor a Ravan. Without a leader and a villain they couldn't sell their story to the voters. Mind you the BJP is a party that found place in the political pantheon using the name of Ram. They should know better than anyone that Ramayan requires Ram and Ravan, not just the vanar sena.

The tragedy is that both the Shiv Sena and the BJP are treating democracy and elections as a once-in-five-years Ramleela that is followed by a coronation. In the intervening period like Khumbhakarna they go to sleep.

This prolonged absence from the battle field both in Delhi and in the states has led to a disconnect with the people. Their leaders have mistaken studio anchors for voters and channel debates for public engagement. In a sense it is not surprising that they are bereft of ideas and leadership.

This lament is not about the loss of the BJP. It is about the absence of the alternate voice in democracy. India can ill afford to let fractional forces from the fringe - be it the Naxals, the Goa bombers or parochial piranhas - to occupy the Opposition space. The absence of plurality threatens the very idea of India.

It is time the BJP went into vanvaas or at least a 14 month electoral vanvaas to find some ideas. In the meanwhile it would not be a bad idea for the smaller parties in and out of the UPA to come together. They too face a threat to their very existence. Ask DMK.




very well written ..

http://blogs.intoday.in/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=BJP -Must-Go-Into-Vanvaas.html&task=default&Itemid=86&main_categ ory=Locus%20Standi&blogs=1&contentid=61543
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Tangleana...Congress and the art of inventing crises


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In the 80s India elected over 400 Congress MPs in a mandate widely tagged as one for change. There was virtually no opposition and Rajiv Gandhi could have taken India into the 21st Century. Instead the Congress invented an opposition. The 21st Century avataar - the UPA led by Congress - does even better. It invents crises where none existed. And both stem from the inability or disinclination or lethargic state to take a decision.

Consider some facts:
Way back in 2005 the Congress discussed reorganisation of states but did nothing. When it did decide it was sheer capitulation to coercion not logic. Even today we don't know where Congress stands on smaller states. Ditto with its position on the Justice Dinakaran episode. Can a judge not fit to sit in Supreme Court be good for Karnataka High Court?

Take any issue - whether it is Foreign Direct Investment, consolidation in banks, corruption in telecom, climate change, CTBT or the Doha round -- there is no Congress or UPA position. Even on the so-called "strategic partnership with US" there is no enunciation.

It is a more Hindu party than the BJP because it follows kut-neeti. Typically it believes in the many forms of truth and chooses one convenient for the occasion. So Telangana is justified but not Vidarbha. Till someone fasts or burns buses. Till then do nothing. Wait for something to blow up. And its silence and politicisation of the Afzal Guru clemency case could well become its Kandahar.

Sure Narasimha Rao did say "not taking a decision is a decision" but Rao was more a political scientist who experimented with scepticism in government. And look where it landed the Congress. Out of Raisina Hill.

The crux of decision making rests on conviction not convenience. The seventies model of the Congress stood for something. Version2 is more about what it can't be - communalism et al. The vacuous state has helped them cobble coalitions and come to power but convenience is not an ideology and hobbles it when ruling the state.

Sonia Gandhi has fought hard and long to restore the Congress to power. She must get her gallivanting leaders to put their heads together and author the convictions the New Congress led by Rahul will live by. If it delays this further, there will be no need to invent a crisis or an opposition. A real crisis will park it in the ranks of the opposition.




http://blogs.intoday.in/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=Tan gleana...Congress-and-the-art-of-inventing-crises.html&Itemi d=86&main_category=Locus%20Standi&contentid=61650&blogs=1&co ntentid=61650
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VHP to oppose Mishra Commission implementation, says Togadia

The International General Secretary of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, Pravin Togadia, has said that his organisation would strongly oppose implementation of the Rangnath Mishra Commission which has recommended reservations for minorities.

The VHP leader told reporters here on Thursday evening enroute Omkareshwar that the Commission has recommended 10 per cent reservation for Muslims and five per cent for Christians.

"If this was done, an agitation would be launched on the issue throughout the country," Togadia said.

He said the VHP would oppose any attempt by the government to acquire Hindu temples and added that such attempts would not be tolerated irrespective of the party in power.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/76540/LATEST%20HEADL INES/VHP+to+oppose+Mishra+Commission+implementation,+says+To gadia.html

induke naaku kaaledi VHP ante .. prati daaniki agitation ane badulu .. we will mobilize strength in favor of the political party that works to avoid its implementation ani anochu kada .. ledu .. prati daaniki confrontational attitude .. evadiki vaadu individual ga work chesi pistha ani prove chesukovali ane taapatrayam ekkuva .. anduke mana goals ni cherukolekapotunnam ! collective team work ki okappudu Sangh Parivar pettindi peru .. ippudu .. evariki vaare yamuna teere .. !
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RSS chief criticises MNS for fomenting communalism

Criticising attacks on north Indians in Mumbai allegedly by MNS activists, the RSS on Friday said the parties should not advocate regionalism for petty political gain.

The RSS was against the 'politics of votes' and political parties should not divide society on caste and communal lines for petty political gain, RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat said without naming MNS president Raj Thackeray.

Addressing RSS workers here, he said India was one and every citizen could go to any part for a livelihood and for settling in.

He said the international borders were not safe and RSS was concerned over reports of alleged Line of Control violations by China and Pakistan on the northern and western borders.

"It is unfortunate that the Indian government's response to the bullying tactics of the bordering has always been grossly inadequate," Bhagwat said.

The RSS chief also alleged that the Centre was not following the Supreme Court directive to detect and deport Bangladeshis.

Bhagwat claimed that the RSS would give a fitting reply to ULFA and naxal designs to capture power with the help of ISI through force.

Several Bihar ministers including Deputy Chief Minister Sushil Kumar Modi were present.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/76553/LATEST%20HEADL INES/RSS+chief+criticises+MNS+for+fomenting+communalism.html
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Vjavasi:

Togadiya modi ni debba kottadaniki 2007 lo caste politics kooda play chesadu gujarat lo congress to kalisi...




i know .. togadia does not play it fair .. and he thinks very highly of himself .. he does not have a real estimate of his strength ..
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Kamal:

2000 around lo Praveen Togadia loose tongue kaaranam ani nammuta nenu .. after all one election victory .. he made it sound like he captured Everest .. antha arrogance undakoodadu .. mana roots ento gurtu pettukunte manchidi evarikaina ..




Togadiya modi ni debba kottadaniki 2007 lo caste politics kooda play chesadu gujarat lo congress to kalisi...
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kaneesam temples meedha govt control lekunda choodatamu, media ni tame cheyyatam, electoral reforms, police and judicial reforms , illegal bangledeshi population ni venakki pampinchatam lanti panulanna chesi vundalsindhi...congress ni underestimate chesi debba tinnaru..politics lo avakasam vachinappudu choopinchali..lekapothe train jeevitha kalam late annatu avutundhi




bhayya .. aakhariki .. Sankaracharya ni duruddesam tho arrest cheste respond avvaleni position lo undevaaru .. plzz understand .. asalu allies entaga BJP work ni hamper chesaaru .. UPA - 1 lo Congress choopinchina teguva choopinchalekapoyaaru .. but naaku adi munde telusu .. bcos .. they were novices in power .. they do not know how to handle power politics .. unlike Congress ..

nimmadi ga ardam chesukuntaaru anukuntunna .. how to find work around solutions, which will make allies agree to the agenda !
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Hindutva organisations should treat govt as govt not as their pocket




this is true .. even if BJP is going to be doomed, I expect BJP to be fair towards Hindu orgz and other orgz at the same time ..

RSS kante .. VHP people expect more from BJP anipistundi .. vaallu malli Congress vese biscuits ki padataru .. somehow .. they should shed some ego .. they should know .. who are their well-wishers .. BJP ki negative press anthaga raavadaaniki kaaranam .. 2000 around lo Praveen Togadia loose tongue kaaranam ani nammuta nenu .. after all one election victory .. he made it sound like he captured Everest .. antha arrogance undakoodadu .. mana roots ento gurtu pettukunte manchidi evarikaina ..
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I disagree .. NDA(rather BJP) had no other choice .. RSS should understand what happened, and importantly why it happened so !




kaneesam temples meedha govt control lekunda choodatamu, media ni tame cheyyatam, electoral reforms, police and judicial reforms , illegal bangledeshi population ni venakki pampinchatam lanti panulanna chesi vundalsindhi...congress ni underestimate chesi debba tinnaru..politics lo avakasam vachinappudu choopinchali..lekapothe train jeevitha kalam late annatu avutundhi
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poorti idea ledu .. but heard he has several cases filed against him ..





Asaram meedha murder allegations to FIR book chesindhi modi govt...Vhp emo Asaram meedha conspirancy jarigindhi ani modi govt ni bjp ni blame chestundhi...everybody should be treated equal before law kadha...just FIR book chesinanduke atla react avvala...youtube lo search cheyyi severe allegations vunnayi asaram meedha...it's true he has lakhs and lakhs of followers..Hindutva organisations should treat govt as govt not as their pocket
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Vjavasi:

nuvvu gujarat lo asaram bapu case gurunchi vinnava




poorti idea ledu .. but heard he has several cases filed against him ..

Vjavasi:

NDA hindutva issues lo fail avatamto gatti debba tagilindhi core RSS cadre ki..they feel cheated and they are not that motivated now...




I disagree .. NDA(rather BJP) had no other choice .. RSS should understand what happened, and importantly why it happened so !
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Vjavasi:

naa opinion already akkada petta...




well said .. striking the right balance is important .. though I disagree with the first line of yours .. BJP was not in a position in 1999 to take up anything along the rightist lines .. plzz understand that BJP had to function in a system thats largely leftist .. they have their hands tied .. that is the problem of todays politics .. BJP is trying hard to adjust itself to ..

for them .. its a fight on two fronts .. a society largely hijacked by the left .. a society whose systems itself have a foundation in the left principles .. it is hard for the BJP to fight and change the system without being viewed as law-breakers ...

for any success - BJP and RSS have to work in tandem .. for that BJP has to compromise a bit and RSS has to compromise a bit .. playing untouchable saints will not help any one !
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some people from Sangh side are also getting deviated from their duties or probably they do not have a correct knowledge of practical politics .. they are getting confused as to what "naara" to take up at the right time .. intha kante .. I do not want to go deep down ..




NDA hindutva issues lo fail avatamto gatti debba tagilindhi core RSS cadre ki..they feel cheated and they are not that motivated now...so everybody is trying to take care of themselves rather than keeping personal interests above party... let's see how events will unfold in future...nuvvu gujarat lo asaram bapu case gurunchi vinnava
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I totally agree with Swapan Da on the exodus of intellectuals due to egos ..

some people from Sangh side are also getting deviated from their duties or probably they do not have a correct knowledge of practical politics .. they are getting confused as to what "naara" to take up at the right time .. intha kante .. I do not want to go deep down ..

people have to see why election after election .. the Lotus is fading .. as Swapan rightly put it .. it is in ICU ! no doubt ..
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annai .. choodaledu inka ..

kaani first para ke navvochindi .. swapan da ni ala anadaaniki ledu .. he has a bit of truth on his side .. :D

rest of the opinion .. post chesta .. :D
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http://www.swapan55.com/

ee blog loni latest article meedha ni opinion pettu...naa opinion already akkada petta...

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