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Govt jobs lo reservation ni speed up cheyyala lekapothe govt jobs MOTHANNI reservations lo vallake ivvala
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"Once way to spped up the process id increase % of reservation in GOVT jobs"

Enduku ivvali. Aa family ki financial support lekapothe reservation isthe andam gani, father reservation lo job sampadinchi, koduku kuda reservation lo job sampadinchi, alage alludu, kuthuru, pellam kuda reservations lo job sampadistunte inka pakkavadiki emi chedham. Motham Desanni d'tame pani ga pettukunnaru
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Dharmam garu oka family lo oka person ki reservation dwara job vasthe, inka aa family ki reservation enduku ivvali.

Reservataion ane concept andaru oke financial range lo undali ani ichedhi. Mari alantappudu oka person ki job vachina taruvatha aa person yokka family ki reservataion enduku.

Govt somme kadha D'dham anukunte inka OC's emi cheyyali
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aina thread ni successful ga divert chesaara .. chass .. Muslims ki 10% reservations ivvali anukuntunna govt gurinchi .. ivvadam correct aa kaada anna vishayam gurinchi .. isthe ennallu ivvali .. emi objectives achieve chestaru ichi .. annavi discuss cheyyakunda .. maa oollo ani modalu pedutunnara .. chass .. :D
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Zulu:

Naa illu, na istam vochinodiki rent ki istha ani racism chestha..ante not possible ya..offcourse courts lo gelivate you have prove that recism is the reason for denying your housing request.




exactly Zulu bro .. subtle actions can never be quantified and qualified either one way or other under normal circumstances, specially in a court of law. No body will be able to force me to surrender my free will to either let-out/deny renting my house to any individual in the society. And I believe, under any judiciary standing, there will not be assumptions made to rule, as long as I explicitly state my intentions of denying to rent as due to the caste discriminations. So any law is bound to fail, if not it does not have the mandate and respect of public.

I will not shy to agree, that there is a problem with caste in rural areas, though I am yet to witness it upfront. But I firmly believe, reservations, if their intention is to build a social standing other than financial benefits, are bound to fail for two reasons - 1) they openly discriminate FCs 2) due to the large number of beneficiaries blocking the real help needed classes among the reservation seeking classes of the society itself.

If social standing is the problem that needs to be addressed first, then cultural bridges have to be built first, not individual entities of financial sky scrappers which exist in isolation, if you understand my idea of an alternative to failed reservations !
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Dharmam:

it is not financial problem asalu, village ki separate malapalli ani enduku undali, allukuda village lone kalisundali.




nenu anedi kooda ade .. build bridges between the different classes of society .. different castes of society .. for that let us discontinue a tried, but failed policy of coercive reservations ..

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eela % enta, GOVT enni rules pettina eelu bypass chesatru. Once way to spped up the process id increase % of reservation in GOVT jobs




you are being dishonest and untruthful, when you are trying to restrict the elite and creme of reservation seekers at politicians .. I know of several families who are availing reservations today in the common society .. who have been given a higher pedestal to stand on for the last two generations with respect to any ordinary person belonging to so-called forward castes. They have a very good social standing, even if according to your argument discount their financial standing, which obviously has been better compared to many FCs! I say with utmost conviction that, let us get rid of the existing negative affirmative actions, which have failed to forge an alliance between the much important sections of the society.

Caste, which today is being viewed as a negative social structure, is essentially and primarily a Hindu religious structure that has existed for millenniums and mostly contributing positively under the multitude of problems that the society by and large faced. When you try to address a problem that is existing due to religious aberrations, I firmly believe that the solution for the problem markedly lies in the same religious lines. So, the govt, if sincere in its efforts, is determined to see a vibrant and harmonious society that respects each other, should encourage the cultural/religious orgz who have a great dedication towards nation building, and me coming from one such org, I believe they do have absolutely great solutions up their sleeve. Their approach is more pragmatic and holistic and by and large avoids inclined or biased positions.

My 2 cents !
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Extending the current reservation practice for another 100 years in the current form is not going to make any difference to the people who are still not able to get the benefits of the same. The key to the success of this policy is to make some changes in the reservations
- exclude the creamy layer from the reservations. there are many ways this can be done if the govt decides. for example lets take the case of few mla's or mp's who were from the OBC, SC
example 1 - nandi yellaih who was the MP from siddipet consituency in medak district of andhrapradesh for 4-5 terms. siddipet was a SC reserved consituency. humble origins from manda krishna's community. what is the basis for his children claiming SC status and get reservations in education etc?

example -2 - lets take the example of Devendar Goud, he is a mla and former minister as well, how is it valid to say his children can claim the BC status to get education, jobs etc?

example -3 - Babu mohan former mla from TDP, same case.


eela % enta, GOVT enni rules pettina eelu bypass chesatru. Once way to spped up the process id increase % of reservation in GOVT jobs
malapalli .. India kaada? akkada problem enti -Kamal
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Nihil, looks like you already have an opinion about me..goahead kummuko inka.
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Edo pedda Civil liberties ki US paragon ani example isthunte cheppa- inka taggu , ani.

Lopala masthu khush avutunnav ga 10% reservations ki - parledu le asalu vishayam cheppey, challa kochi muntha dachadam enduku, civil liberties adi idi ani cover malli.
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Nihil:

Civil liberties aa ?? LOL




edishinattundi, nenu cheppindi ade..civil liberties anni chotla dobbav ani..

Theoritically I should have the right to rent my house to whoever i want, but ala kudaradu ani Fair Housing Act example ichanu..nuvvu as usual ooguthunnav
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Civil liberties aa ?? LOL

Arkansas state capitol senate building lo still confederate flag egaresi jenda vandanam chestharu. This practice is there in some other southern states as well.

Nee US kathalu aapu saami.
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Kamal:

frank ga cheptunna .. mee illu evariki rent ki ivvalo .. ye govt aina force cheyyagaladaa? realistic ga cheppandi




Cheyya kaladu, Civil Liberties anni chotla varthinchav..

For example..Fair Housing Act ani US lo Oka act yedisindi..

Adilekapothe..Nallallaki ivvaru..mexicans ki ivvaru..pakis ki ivvaru..neeku ivvaru, naku ivvaru..illu.

Naa illu, na istam vochinodiki rent ki istha ani racism chestha..ante not possible ya..offcourse courts lo gelivate you have prove that recism is the reason for denying your housing request.
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poni enni years lo potundi .. modalu 10 years annaru (appatike telusu ga 1000 years discrimination ani) .. adi tappu ani telisindi .. ippatiki kooda enni years kaavalo cheppatam ledu .. creamy layers ni teeseyyadaniki noppi ga undi .. Gudisela venkata Swamy kodukki enduku reservation kaavalo cheppu ante .. kasta padutunnav ..

all estimation wrong. We need reservation until discrimination is gone.Gudisela enkata swamy lanti vallu less than 1%. Allaki em rule petti exclude chestam

Kamal:

malapalli .. India kaada? akkada problem enti .. dammunte .. govt should give funds to develop special emphasis to malapalli .. alage andari laage vaallu taxes ki contribute cheyyali .

it is not financial problem asalu, village ki separate malapalli ani enduku undali, allukuda village lone kalisundali.




I agree social discrimination is still being practiced in the rural areas. However the solution to that is not to extend the reservations to everybody irrespective of the economic conditions.

60 years of the reservations have only benefited a few and it has not percolated to the other people. I am talking about economic progress here, we all know that makes a difference socially too in most of the cases. If a person is doing well economically the normal behaviour is to ignore the social status of the person.

Extending the current reservation practice for another 100 years in the current form is not going to make any difference to the people who are still not able to get the benefits of the same. The key to the success of this policy is to make some changes in the reservations
- exclude the creamy layer from the reservations. there are many ways this can be done if the govt decides. for example lets take the case of few mla's or mp's who were from the OBC, SC
example 1 - nandi yellaih who was the MP from siddipet consituency in medak district of andhrapradesh for 4-5 terms. siddipet was a SC reserved consituency. humble origins from manda krishna's community. what is the basis for his children claiming SC status and get reservations in education etc?

example -2 - lets take the example of Devendar Goud, he is a mla and former minister as well, how is it valid to say his children can claim the BC status to get education, jobs etc?

example -3 - Babu mohan former mla from TDP, same case.

So, there needs to be an exercise to identify people who are economically better than others in their community and apply the first/second use principle. In the changed scenario of jobs creation in private sector this might not make a difference any kind of reservation but it certainly makes a huge difference in educational institutions. Education denied to deserving people is denying a life to a entire family that person is going to have.

I cannot imagine places like IIT also being forced to allow people to get seats on basis of reservation. How are they going to compete against the others who are top notch if they came in on reservations which a cut off mark way below the others?
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Kamal:

alage andari laage vaallu taxes ki contribute cheyyali ..


allu tax lu kattarani ela decide chesavu, edaina shoplo konete vallu sales tax kattara, allki exclusion unda
malapalli .. India kaada? akkada problem enti -Kamal
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Kamal:

poni enni years lo potundi .. modalu 10 years annaru (appatike telusu ga 1000 years discrimination ani) .. adi tappu ani telisindi .. ippatiki kooda enni years kaavalo cheppatam ledu .. creamy layers ni teeseyyadaniki noppi ga undi .. Gudisela venkata Swamy kodukki enduku reservation kaavalo cheppu ante .. kasta padutunnav ..


all estimation wrong. We need reservation until discrimination is gone.Gudisela enkata swamy lanti vallu less than 1%. Allaki em rule petti exclude chestam

Kamal:

malapalli .. India kaada? akkada problem enti .. dammunte .. govt should give funds to develop special emphasis to malapalli .. alage andari laage vaallu taxes ki contribute cheyyali .


it is not financial problem asalu, village ki separate malapalli ani enduku undali, allukuda village lone kalisundali.
malapalli .. India kaada? akkada problem enti -Kamal
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Dharmam:

Novvu rent ki ichhetappudu discrimination chupiste, jaillo veyya vachhu




cha .. emi cheppi vestaavu? LOL .. naaku law cheppaku .. cheppu .. ye section kinda raasundi .. rent ki illu ivvakapothe adi discrimination ani?

speak out .. :D

Vjavasi:

SC's meedha discrimination ayithe vundhi brother...okka sc enti indian caste hierarchy lo paina vunna castes kinda vunna castes meedha discrimination choopisthayi..discrimination mana blood lone vundhi brother..but loapala godalu vunna andhari tho etla coexist avvalo andhariki telusu...itlanti discrimination only india lone kadhu anni ancient societies lonu vundhi




bro .. nenu kaadani analedu ga .. kaani this policy of reservations is abused largely .. kaavalsina segment of SCs/STs/OBCs ki aa reservations eppatiki cheravu .. ee creamy layer valla .. and ee rakaamaina chinna chinna differences meeru annattu anni societies lo nu untundi .. and caste hierarchy lo .. different people ki different opportunities untayi .. govt should smartly make people from oppressed castes important in their own right in society .. vaallaki unna skills particular area ki untayi .. if govts are sincere .. they should make efforts to encourage those skills .. there is nothing wrong with that .. anthe kaani .. ee reservation peru tho level playing fields teeseyyadam tappu ..
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Dharmam:

60 years lo podu.




poni enni years lo potundi .. modalu 10 years annaru (appatike telusu ga 1000 years discrimination ani) .. adi tappu ani telisindi .. ippatiki kooda enni years kaavalo cheppatam ledu .. creamy layers ni teeseyyadaniki noppi ga undi .. Gudisela venkata Swamy kodukki enduku reservation kaavalo cheppu ante .. kasta padutunnav ..

Dharmam:

malapalli .. India kaada? akkada problem enti -Kamal




signature pettukunte naaku problem ledu .. kakapothe mottam pettu .. sagam lo cut cheste .. twisting of facts antaru !


Kamal:

malapalli .. India kaada? akkada problem enti .. dammunte .. govt should give funds to develop special emphasis to malapalli .. alage andari laage vaallu taxes ki contribute cheyyali ..



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SC's meedha discrimination ayithe vundhi brother...okka sc enti indian caste hierarchy lo paina vunna castes kinda vunna castes meedha discrimination choopisthayi..discrimination mana blood lone vundhi brother..but loapala godalu vunna andhari tho etla coexist avvalo andhariki telusu...itlanti discrimination only india lone kadhu anni ancient societies lonu vundhi
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Kamal:

mee illu evariki rent ki ivvalo .. ye govt aina force cheyyagaladaa?


Novvu rent ki ichhetappudu discrimination chupiste, jaillo veyya vachhu
malapalli .. India kaada? akkada problem enti -Kamal
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Kamal:

60 years nunchi affirmative action teesukuntunnaru .. discriminate cheste criminal cases annaru .. reservations icharu .. huge incentives istunnaru entreprenuers ki .. aina "mee maatala" batti povadam ledu ga discrimination


ante whatever Govt doing in 60 years is not enough. They need to do more. 1000 years discrimination , 60 years lo podu. They need more help and pushup
malapalli .. India kaada? akkada problem enti -Kamal
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Dharmam:

idea super, attage allu village loki rakunda bayatanuch oka bypass road eddam. Aa road india lone undi kabatti no problem. Mana school lo allu enduku, allaku bayata separate schools , school india lone undi kabatti no problem. Hotels Private property kabatti, sc/st separate glassulu pedadham. Mana hotel manam istam vachhina glasslo neelu istam




sattire kaadu mastaru .. 60 years nunchi affirmative action teesukuntunnaru .. discriminate cheste criminal cases annaru .. reservations icharu .. huge incentives istunnaru entreprenuers ki .. aina "mee maatala" batti povadam ledu ga discrimination .. ante aa failed process maanesi .. inka ela integrate cheyyalo aalochinchaali ..

frank ga cheptunna .. mee illu evariki rent ki ivvalo .. ye govt aina force cheyyagaladaa? realistic ga cheppandi .. ade ye public sphere lo no discrimination aithe action teesukunte .. thats good .. like bus lo pakkana koorchokoodadu .. etc laanti daridrapu argument cheste .. vaadini jail lo padeyyachu .. anthe kaani schools lo ee rojullo discrimination unda? em comedy adi? ye oorlo undi? unte alanti oorlalo system sarigga function chesettu action teesukovali .. anthe kani delhi lo koorchuni law pass cheste .. kovvuru lo janalu maripotaara?
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Kamal:

malapalli .. India kaada? akkada problem enti ..


idea super, attage allu village loki rakunda bayatanuch oka bypass road eddam. Aa road india lone undi kabatti no problem. Mana school lo allu enduku, allaku bayata separate schools , school india lone undi kabatti no problem. Hotels Private property kabatti, sc/st separate glassulu pedadham. Mana hotel manam istam vachhina glasslo neelu istam
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Dharmam:

Maa school princpal MS andhra university gold medalist. Kani illu renntki undadi matram, bayata malapallilo




aithe emi cheyyali cheppu? Govt .. prati OBC/SC/ST ki illu rent ki deny cheyyadam crime ani law cheyyala? btw .. malapalli .. India kaada? akkada problem enti .. dammunte .. govt should give funds to develop special emphasis to malapalli .. alage andari laage vaallu taxed ki contribute cheyyali ..

nenu evadiki illu ivvalo evadiki ivvaddo naa istam .. I do not like caste discrimination at all .. and I am all for Hindus living as one .. kaani you cannot force .. OCs to rent their house to a particular person .. no govt can ensure this !
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Kamal:

emaindi vayya social ga OBCs ki .. SCs/STs ki ee society lo .. comedy kathalu seppaddu 60 years taravata kooda ..

OBCs aithe financial and socially chala better .. compared to many OCs


Tammudu it is not financial, I am talking social status.Cities lo different, Villages ee rojuki discrimination undi. It is not open, but still it is there. Maa school princpal MS andhra university gold medalist. Kani illu renntki undadi matram, bayata malapallilo
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LOL .. mee area lo oka nalugu manchi vaallu unnaru ani nuvvu andaru Turakalaki manchi branding cheyyatleda .. alage .. evadiki edi convenient ga unte ala kaanicheyyatame .


I am not branding them. Fanatic gallu annitlonu untaru
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No he is not, father engineer ayite food ki problem undadu, but social ga still they live life




emaindi vayya social ga OBCs ki .. SCs/STs ki ee society lo .. comedy kathalu seppaddu 60 years taravata kooda ..

OBCs aithe financial and socially chala better .. compared to many OCs
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Dharmam:

Maa area muslim takkuva gane bagane unnaru. Okka godava lo involve avatam chudala. Enduku ala branding chestavu




LOL .. mee area lo oka nalugu manchi vaallu unnaru ani nuvvu andaru Turakalaki manchi branding cheyyatleda .. alage .. evadiki edi convenient ga unte ala kaanicheyyatame ..
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Is he not qualified now to give his family better living standards?


No he is not, father engineer ayite food ki problem undadu, but social ga still they live life
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Turukolla andaru bombulu chesukoni batukutarani decide chesava. Maa area muslim takkuva gane bagane unnaru. Okka godava lo involve avatam chudala. Enduku ala branding chestavu
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Lets work towards an india where reservation is no longer based on caste but economic condition with a rule that once a family gets to use reservation one time they are barred from using it the next time. Example: Lets say a person from a community is able to get in to Engineering college using his/her reservation, why should his children get the same facility. Is he not qualified now to give his family better living standards?




na previous post ki ee point kooda add cheyyandi
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Okahyderabadi:

Inka mana majority population sangati ki vaste, gunde meeda cheyi vesukoni we need to introspect how many of the people really need reservations based on caste these days? The people still play the card of caste when they seek admissions to schools, colleges despite being economically better of than many of their brethren. They are naturally at an advantage because they have the money to be able to afford better education but have the 'reservation' card to play with an unfair advantage over the rest of the people. Is this not cheating?




creamy layer ni exempt chesi govt jobs and education lo SC,ST reservation continue cheyyali andi for some fixed time period...OBC's lo creamy layer ni exempt chesi education lo continue cheyyali(not in job's)..yadav's, kurmis lanti castes ki BC reservations teesayali..migatha ani castes lo economic criteria meedha education lo kontha percentage varaku resrvations ivvachu
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Okahyderabadi:

please add your thoughts




add cheyyadaaniki emi ledu .. what you said is literal truth .. 5 stars

Okahyderabadi:

Inko angle lo chooste - valla % of population ki vallaki unde reservations ki ponthana ledu. They as a community really need to be able to go to schools and get educated. Most of the issues that we face today that are related to security etc are due to the fact that the people from that community do not have avenues to improve their life. There might be some who are educated but still support those kind of things. Bad apples can exist anywhere. valla community mardrassas ni vadili manchi schools lo educate avute it will be better for the society as a whole.




though I cannot agree to poverty being a reason to their issues wrt to nation/religion.
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Kamal:

Kamal:

The panel was constituted in October 2004.



May/June 2004 lo govt ekkaru .. October 2004 lo ee panel vesesaaru .. vellemma .. intha licking endi ra saami ..

Womens bill .. Police reforms .. Judicial reforms .. education reforms .. Financial reforms anni .. decades ga moolugutunnayi .. vaati meeda emi action ledu .. ee Minority licking ki matram hadavidi ..




Anduke mana paristhithi idi. Prati chetta political party minority appeasement kosam kankanam kattukoni unnaru andaru.

Inko angle lo chooste - valla % of population ki vallaki unde reservations ki ponthana ledu. They as a community really need to be able to go to schools and get educated. Most of the issues that we face today that are related to security etc are due to the fact that the people from that community do not have avenues to improve their life. There might be some who are educated but still support those kind of things. Bad apples can exist anywhere. valla community mardrassas ni vadili manchi schools lo educate avute it will be better for the society as a whole.

Inka mana majority population sangati ki vaste, gunde meeda cheyi vesukoni we need to introspect how many of the people really need reservations based on caste these days? The people still play the card of caste when they seek admissions to schools, colleges despite being economically better of than many of their brethren. They are naturally at an advantage because they have the money to be able to afford better education but have the 'reservation' card to play with an unfair advantage over the rest of the people. Is this not cheating?

We need have a level field and play according to the rules. Everybody should have equal chance to the same education and same opportunity and may the best win.

This may seem quite a paradox to what I have been saying in the other threads about the reservations for the original locals of telangana. My stand is consistent, the people of telangana were deprived of good education and a chance to acquire that because of the conditions then and the reservations were there for a purpose. My father himself studied up to Engineering in urdu medium and the first time he had exposure to full fledged English was in the university.

Lets work towards an india where reservation is no longer based on caste but economic condition with a rule that once a family gets to use reservation one time they are barred from using it the next time. Example: Lets say a person from a community is able to get in to Engineering college using his/her reservation, why should his children get the same facility. Is he not qualified now to give his family better living standards?

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Pkaistan ku yelli Jinnah nu pogatamu





IBNlive about LK Advani:

"A theocratic state is bound to be viewed as communal. The concept of secularism as propounded by Jinnah in his August 11 speech was 'that hereafter let Hindus go to their temples and Muslims go to their mosques and in the eyes of the state they shall be equal citizens'. This is a concept which if Bangladesh, India and Pakistan were to adopt, the possibility of their coming closer would increase," Advani had said about Jinnah in 2005.





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While his critics saw him as a polarising figure, to his admirers he was a path-breaker who challenged the prevailing secular consensus.

Advani's close aide Sudherendra Kulkarni said, "Through the Ayodhya movement he forced a new debate and gave a new meaning to secularism."




http://ibnlive.in.com/news/advani-took-bjp-from-political-ma rgins-to-cong-challenger/107374-37.html

manaki edanna telisthe kada .. guddeddu chelo paddattu .. edi kavalante edi raasko naa raaja .. avatala evariki emi telidu ane lokam lo bathikeddam ..


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mama okkati observe cheseva.. ID Hindu.. BJP meeda crying//

Hinduism BJP patent kaadhu. I support BJP when they get back onto the track.

Pkaistan ku yelli Jinnah nu pogatamu, same muslims appeasing politics cheyyatamu, telagana ku blind gaa support cheyyatamu
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mama okkati observe cheseva.. ID Hindu.. BJP meeda crying..




kurrodi concept ee veru .. Indian ID tho .. YSR ni .. main ga .. YSR valla religious conversions ni .. Congress licking ni andari kante ekkuva tittadu ..

koncham gap teesukuni vachi .. full fledged ga crying start chesaadu opposite party meeda ..

asalu ee thread lo sambandam lekunda .. Advani ni techadu antene ardam avutondi .. candidate talent ento ..
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Kamal:

The panel was constituted in October 2004.




May/June 2004 lo govt ekkaru .. October 2004 lo ee panel vesesaaru .. vellemma .. intha licking endi ra saami ..

Womens bill .. Police reforms .. Judicial reforms .. education reforms .. Financial reforms anni .. decades ga moolugutunnayi .. vaati meeda emi action ledu .. ee Minority licking ki matram hadavidi ..

Kamal:

at least 15 per cent seats in all non-minority educational institutions should be earmarked by law for the minorities".




veella licking ni tagaleyya .. ante .. repu ee law vaste .. Sri Venkateswara University lo 15% seats minorities ki ivvalsinde na?

Kamal:

It mentions that the commission was "guided by the constitutional provisions and the goals that the constitution has set for the country" in reviewing the status of socially and economically backward" communities.




tappu meedi kaadu ra .. tappudu constitution raasina edhavaladi .. daanni .. oka mandate paadu lekunda follow avutunna maadi ..

Kamal:

"In no case shall any seat within the recommended 15 per cent go to the majority community," it emphasizes.




ante chaduvukune minority ledu ani .. aa seat ni kanisam Hindu majority vaadiki ivvakoodadu annamaata .. thu .. nee ..

Kamal:

Many parties, including the Samajwadi Party, the Rashtriya Janata Dal, were demanding that the report be tabled and its recommendations implemented. The main opposition Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) has been accusing the government of appeasing minorities for "vote bank politics".




aa daridrulaki idi common ee .. manaki ee edupu common ee .. chi .. lite teesukondi .. manakaina .. vaallakaina siggundaali .. :D
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mama okkati observe cheseva.. ID Hindu.. BJP meeda crying..

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maata ki mundu Ambedkar ni aakasaniki ethe ee political brokers, reservations 5 yrs maathrame vunchali anna ade Ambedkar maatalni maathram chaala convinient ga marchi potharu. 60 yrs ga continue cheyyatam kaakunda limit kooda penchukunta pothannaru. ippudu overall reservation % entha, oka 65% daaka vachinda?

induggadu country addamga M guxxsi poyedi? asalu motham 100% ichi denxandi reservations. OC lantha adukku thintaru. thoo eellemma ittanti edavalu leaders (in fact brokers) ga vunnantha kaalam aa country ni devudu kooda baagu cheyyaledu.
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Rahu kham PM avvali ante tappadu mari...UP,Bihar,WB lo party ni niabetti malli gelavali kadha mari
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sc/st votebank lo congy ki drift.

oka extra 10% padi untundi
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ee congi minority licking tho.. majority ki M pedutunnaru..

asalu ento vella badha..
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vaalla korika theeraalante advani prime minister kaavaali
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New Delhi: After a delay of 20 months since it was presented, the Government on Friday tabled in the Lok Sabha a report on the status of minorities in India that has recommended 10 per cent quota for Muslims - the largest minority in the country - in government jobs, educational institutions and social welfare schemes.

The report by the National Commission on Religious and Linguistic Minorities, headed by Justice Ranganath Mishra, former chief justice of India, has defined religious and linguistic minorities as backward classes and recommended 15 per cent reservation for all minorities in jobs, education and welfare schemes. The panel was constituted in October 2004.

Stressing that education was the "most important requirement for improving the socio-economic status of backward sections among religious minorities", the report says that literacy levels of Muslims and Buddhists were low and next to Scheduled Castes (SC) and Scheduled Tribes (ST).

"Educational levels of religious minorities vary considerably from one community to the other. While educational level of Jains, Christians and Parsis is higher, that of Muslims and Buddhists is low and is next to SC/ST," according to the 449-page document in two volumes.

Of India's 1.2 billion population, Muslims are the largest minority at 14 per cent followed by Christians at 2.3 per cent, Sikhs at 1.9 per cent, Buddhists at 0.8 per cent, Jains at 0.4 per cent and others including Parsis at 0.6 per cent.

Pointing out that the minority intake in minority educational institutions has been restricted to about 50 per cent only, the commission "strongly" recommends that "at least 15 per cent seats in all non-minority educational institutions should be earmarked by law for the minorities".

"Within the recommended 15 per cent earmarked seats in institutions shall be 10 per cent for the Muslims and the remaining 5 per cent for the other minorities," it says.

The report falls short of recommending minority status to the Aligarh Muslim University and Jamia Millia Islamia University in New Delhi, but suggests such institutes should be "legally given a special responsibility to promote education at all levels to Muslim students by taking all possible steps for this purpose".

The report says Idnian minorities - "especially the Muslims - are very much under-represented, and sometimes wholly unrepresented", in government jobs.

"They should be regarded as 'socially and educationally' backward in this respect within the meaning of that term as used in the constitution," said the report.

It mentions that the commission was "guided by the constitutional provisions and the goals that the constitution has set for the country" in reviewing the status of socially and economically backward" communities.

Among other majors it recommends 15 per cent of posts in all cadres and grades under the central and state governments should be earmarked for minorities and 10 per cent of that should be reserved for Muslims, which form the largest -- 73 per cent -- share of the minority population in India.

"The remaining five per cent (should be reserved) for the other minorities," it says.

"In no case shall any seat within the recommended 15 per cent go to the majority community," it emphasizes.

Recommending delinking of Scheduled Caste status from religion and abrogation of the 1950 Scheduled Caste Order which "excludes Muslims, Christians, Jains and Parsis from the SC net," the report favours Scheduled Caste status for Dalits in all religions.

The delay in tabling the report had figured figured prominently in parliament since it was presented in May 2007.

It was, before being tabled in the Lok Sabha by Minority Affairs Minster Salman Khurshid, leaked to the media.

Many parties, including the Samajwadi Party, the Rashtriya Janata Dal, were demanding that the report be tabled and its recommendations implemented. The main opposition Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) has been accusing the government of appeasing minorities for "vote bank politics".




http://ibnlive.in.com/news/minority-commission-seeks-10-pc-j ob-quota-for-muslims/107365-3.html?from=tn


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"Educational levels of religious minorities vary considerably from one community to the other. While educational level of Jains, Christians and Parsis is higher, that of Muslims and Buddhists is low and is next to SC/ST," according to the 449-page document in two volumes.




chaduvukokunda .. bombulu pelche edhavalaki .. reservations endira .. dhed dimaak fellows .. burra vaadandi koncham .. malli deenni licking ante edustaaru .. sese panulu itta edustayi .. :D
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