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     Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6452 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
This is contradictory  Assume you are at a higher state of aham brahmasmi like you said... Will you really be aware of what Ishan's mind perceives - aka ,Ishan, anand, coke , and then have the ability to to recognize this as a lower level of perception ? Take that scenario a little further - will you be only aware of Ishan's mind or of all the minds that are in that state ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6451 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
There is only one level you can be at this instant - whichever level that is - tell me what the existence is
So are you saying Creator is the source of energy that has not existed so far either in energy or matter form ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1225 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 208.54.4.44 Rating: N/A |
I think ramayana and bharatha took place during upanishad times i.e. 100-800 BC with a gap of may be 50-300 years. Its just my theory, I could utterly be wrong. That was the time of intense spiritual revolution in India. Several spiritually inclined people studied, pondered on various philosophical concepts. You see the emergence of many spiritual gurus sages during that time. I think krishna was among them. Some of the most vital religious concepts were propounded by Khsthriyas and krishna might be one among them. Many people like badarayana tried to write commentaries on previous upanishads and vedas. SImilarly, Krishna might have studied those scriptures intensely and wrote such commentary in the form of Gita. All generalizations have exceptions, including this one | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1223 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 208.54.4.44 Rating: N/A |
I think this is not the case. You still can 'see' what your 'mind' perceives, but at higher levels you realize that mind is a lower stratum of perception. All generalizations have exceptions, including this one | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1222 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 208.54.4.44 Rating: N/A |
What do you mean be now? at higher level or the present level? All generalizations have exceptions, including this one | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 2032 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
ok, sorry for over looking, here the thread started with the concept of where the creation and creator are the same, so i extended the same to your statement. matter can neither created, nor destroyed. this right, but there is also another concept, matter can be transformed to energy, and energy can be transformed to matter. this principle explains most of the universe today. the same is also used by the creationists, especially in hinduism. creator is the source of energy, and thus he can create matter, and also creator itself is the energy, hence the matter that is created is part of the creator(which is the energy). the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Bushu Junior Artist Username: Bushu Post Number: 370 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 12.30.230.138 Rating: N/A |
no that creator creates matter. hud. | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 2031 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
so you are assuming creator is matter!!? the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Bushu Junior Artist Username: Bushu Post Number: 368 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 12.30.230.138 Rating: N/A |
matter can neither be created nor destroyed. hence no creator. DEQ. | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 944 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.199.90 Rating: N/A |
I agree...it all depends on our spiritual emotions and desires | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 943 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.199.90 Rating: N/A |
na varaku ayithe you can be one with god if you desire and you can be different from God..it depends on your spiritual desire..but you cannot be "The God" | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6445 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Very well said aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6444 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Sanskrit versions unnayi kada Traceability of who actually composed what part anedi kashtam emo...aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 3860 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.140 Rating: N/A |
disco cheyyagalige antha scene ledu naaku .. kaani naa feeling lo .. Dwaita aina .. Adwaita aina very very little difference anukuntunna .. aa renditlo spirit of what they convey is absolutely the same ! Garv se kaho - hum Hindu hain | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 2029 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: |
for most people "Faith" is a matter of belief, and to believe something you do not need proof. it is a simple question of comfortableness, i guess. Coming to hinduism, it is not that you do not have answers, it is a matter of what you choose from the different schools of thought. it is a matter of what makes you feel you are comfortable with. If you believe in something because some question of yours have been answered, be prepared to abandon that faith, since a new question might pop up in your life sometime in the future that might not be answered by the belief you hold on to. if your faith is based on belief, that is not dependent on what your belief answers but more about how the belief helps you spiritually or in any other way, it is much more easier for you to continue with the faith. with monotheistic religions, usually the idea is that the god is one, and you are either with god, or the devil. it is more like the devil pulls you away from god so the devil can use him against the god. so people have to either choose between god or devil(if they believe god exists). in recent times there is a changing trend in how they see the views of non-monotheistic religions . I feel it all boils down to choice. what you choose is the key here. the decision parameters of how you choose is entirely personal in my opinion. to me Choice defines the path of life. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Ruj Junior Artist Username: Ruj Post Number: 575 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 132.189.76.18 Rating: N/A |
inkoka prasna undi...silly question ayundachu... Valmiki ramayan, vedavyas bharatam ippudu unnaya ekkadayina mana desamlo? original/actual scriptures..not the translated ones.. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6443 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 3859 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.140 Rating: N/A |
chass .. jeevitam ! Garv se kaho - hum Hindu hain | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 942 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.199.90 Rating: N/A |
anduke naaku dwaita concept complete anipistundhi...i can't think myself as the supreme god | ||
| Ruj Junior Artist Username: Ruj Post Number: 574 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 132.189.76.18 Rating: N/A |
got it..  | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6442 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Avatar only works in the dwaita concept aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 940 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.199.90 Rating: N/A |
adhi unfortunately members ki madhya abuse ki lead chesindhi...teesesaru | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6441 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
You ignored this part of my post Mahabharatam lo Ramopakhyanam undi - perused a little.. but I think it stops with the Coronation of Rama- which is where Valmiki Ramayan purportedly ended. Uttarakanda sequel inkevaro rasaru anukuntunna aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 939 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.199.90 Rating: N/A |
anduke god is infinite annaremo.....soul is part of god but god is not aggregation of souls ani anukuntunna.. | ||
| Ruj Junior Artist Username: Ruj Post Number: 573 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 132.189.76.18 Rating: N/A |
yes you r right..i'm comparing the events from srciptures to the timelines proposed by historians..that is the reason I'm confused.. | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 3855 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.140 Rating: N/A |
bro .. offtopic .. mee NDTV, Congress edupu thread emayyindi .. compulsory voting gurinchi? Garv se kaho - hum Hindu hain | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 938 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.199.90 Rating: N/A |
brother ee historian kadhalu lite teesuko...emanna ante linguistic difference ani sollu cheptaru....follow either the timeline of authentic scriptures or totally rely on confused and biased historians... | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6439 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Adi naku telidu - but logically if God is distributed in so many souls - how can he concentrate himself in an avatar - what happens to other souls at that point in time - does not add up in my limited understanding aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6438 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
The point I was driving at is that perception is exclusive - at that higher perception level you cannot perceive lower either and you just confirmed that with this statement
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ruj Junior Artist Username: Ruj Post Number: 572 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 132.189.76.18 Rating: N/A |
point ee..now I'm totally confused.. acc to historians valmiki's period was around 500BC. Mahabharatam took place around 3000-1500BC...so if Lava kusha were born in valmiki's ashramam(i.e. around 500BC), ramayan took place much before Mahabharat(i.e. much before 1500BC) how come so many yrs diff between ramayan and lava kusha's birth? and if sita was there in valimiki's ashram(i.e. around 500BC) does that mean she witnessed the events of mahabharata?..oh my god..I'm totally lost..  I think valmiki might have written ramayan much before 3000BC.. | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 75 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 71.202.202.75 Rating: N/A |
This is the situation where most of the hindus are. We just have to believe and there are many questions in Hinduism for which you cannot get an answer. Many say that if you start believing you will get answers but my question is unless we get an answer how will we start believing. We have so much of freedom in our religion and even then many hindus are confused I am surprised how monotheistic religion practisers are satisified with their religion? Hindus and Jews will rule the world | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 937 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.199.90 Rating: N/A |
mari Shankaracharya..baja govindam ani enduku chepparandi..gita meedha bhasyalu enduku rassaru | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6434 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Logical flaw if you believe uttarakanda was written by Valmiki - Valmiki wrote ramayana - Lava Kusa were born in Valmiki's ashram - so how can they be chronologically that far apart ? But many scholars believe Uttarakanda was a later tag-on , in that scenario your theory is plausible. aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6433 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
But now you see all of them - what comprises your existence at this instant ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ruj Junior Artist Username: Ruj Post Number: 571 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 132.189.76.18 Rating: N/A |
malli idoka confusing topic naaku..though ramayan was written after vedas.. ramayan took place much before vedas came into existence kadha ani naa kavi hrudayam.. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6432 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
That is a very big "if" ... If I believe in advaita - then I cannot believe in the concept of Avatars ... aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1220 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 208.54.4.44 Rating: N/A |
Ishan wont exist. Anand, Ishan, Coke...no difference. At that stage 'Aham Brahmasmi'. All generalizations have exceptions, including this one | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 936 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
mee daggara avi myth anataniki proof emanna vunnada | ||
| Galaxy Junior Artist Username: Galaxy Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 192.128.166.68 Rating: N/A |
Ramayan was written after Vedas, most of the mythology (including Mahabharath) was written after Ramayan | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6431 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
I meant "you" - "Ishan" aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1218 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 208.54.4.44 Rating: N/A |
Yes. That is Brahman. All generalizations have exceptions, including this one | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1217 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 208.54.4.44 Rating: N/A |
Vedas first, ramayana next. All generalizations have exceptions, including this one | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6430 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Do "you" exist at that point ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ruj Junior Artist Username: Ruj Post Number: 570 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 132.189.76.18 Rating: N/A |
naaku antha ayomayamga undi.. hinduism ane padam ee madya vachindhe kadha..andulo malli pure hinduism vedas ani ela cheppagalaru.. hinduism is colln of practices,beliefs,literatures etc kadha..ala kalam tho patu maaruthu vachindhi...vedas thone hinduism modhalu ani ela cheppagalam.. alage vedas mundhara? ramayanam mundhara? ramayanam kadha mundhara? alage vigraha pooja cheyalsindhe ani evaru chepparu..evari abhiprayalu vaarivi..andulo oppu tappu antu emi ledu..evari istam vachinattu vaalu pooja chesukotame..majority of people follow idol worship..anthe kaani that is the only way ani evaru analedhu..ala cheyatam tappu ani kooda evaru anakoodadhu..evari abhiprayalu vaarivi | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1216 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 208.54.4.44 Rating: N/A |
Creation vanishes at that stage. You see no difference between you and the sun, the moon, the universe etc. Its all one, always been. All generalizations have exceptions, including this one | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 934 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
fine..mari pre ramayan period hinduism concepts emitandi..soul,god ane concepts vunnaya?...yagnas,yagas evariki offer chesevaru..brahmam ante emiti?....kalaniki taggatu religion kooda evolve ayyindhi....pre ramayan period lo konni vela years tappasu chesevaaru...ippudu atla evaru cheyyaleru..anduke simplify cheyyataniki god himself spoke gita to present knowledge in condensed form...ippudu post ramayan period hinduism tho sambandham ledu...avvani stories ani enduku anukovali...religion evolves with continuous interaction with god...if God came as avatar in past to change something he will come in future to change something else..it's a dynamic interaction not frozen in time | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6427 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Agree - but my question was can you perceive the creation in that all-encompassing view or does the creation vanish aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1215 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 208.54.4.44 Rating: N/A |
At the highest level you can not see difference. Its not an ideal analogy, but this is like range of frequencies. You see light only with certain range of frequency. You can't see higher or lower frequencies. At lower existences the range is narrow and at highest, infinite. That infinite encompasses every thing. All generalizations have exceptions, including this one | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 14317 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
 Chiru/Lagadapati/OT | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1214 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 208.54.4.44 Rating: N/A |
Prayer is nothing but focusing on an object. That kind of constant concentration on an object, whether external or internal is nothing but meditation or yoga. You forget everything that you always identified yourself with. The belief that god judges us is a primitive religious concept. All generalizations have exceptions, including this one | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 2371 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 118.94.229.141 Rating: N/A |
Fear.. Gratitude.. Expectation.. I guess these three drive a Man to Pray.. When a Man become free from the above.. will he still Pray.. A Man who is highly depressed if free from all the above.. he hardly prays.. | ||
| Galaxy Junior Artist Username: Galaxy Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 192.128.166.68 Rating: N/A |
vedas tho start ayyi vundavachu andi ..but hindusim is not frozen in time..it evolved organically....mari form lekapothe universal form etla choopinchadu krishna...why should we limt god to a formless being?..he can be with or without form As far as I researched krishna was not part of Vedas, he is part of the mythology that started with Ramayan and Mahabharath ... so krishna doesn't belong to pre-idolatry era of Hinduism. I think idolatry was started with mythology, which has no divinity, just a matter of linguistic art work .... again don't take it as an offense .... being fearful is the precursor to taking it as an offense. Once I stop being fearful of krishna since he is not part of my pre-idolatry Hinduism, what was written as he said doesn't bother me anymore. Hence the reason for No idolatry Hinduism that doesn't include Bhagawadgeeta, and the other linguistic art work | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6423 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
So at a higher level are you able to perceive the cretor and creation at the same time or is it mutually exclusive ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 2027 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
sometimes i feel even if there is a god, do i have to pray, if he judges me based on what i offer him, let me face his wrath for not offering my salutations, since i feel i am not doing anything wrong. if he judges me based on what i offer this world, then i need not pray, and concentrate on how i live. if he does not judge me based on any criteria, and we have to pray for our own good and peace of mind, as long i am at peace with myself, i do not have to pray. another thing is I am not sure what pray means. Now, dont ask me if i pray I am using "he" for god, just for ease.  . I am so confused in these matters that I do not know where i stand.the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6422 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
DTS cheppinattu - if creator exists - he is kind he will forgive if you do not pray. If he does not exist also no need for prayer - so either way you are safe - ani Faith and means of practise is driven by personal psychology - what works for some may not for others aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1213 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 208.54.4.44 Rating: N/A |
I think this sentence is more hypothetical than my answer. Higher perceptions are inclusive of lower and not exclusive. All generalizations have exceptions, including this one | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 933 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
exactly..unless it doen't harm any one...worship ani cheppi nara balulu iche vallu kooda vunnaru..i am talking about saathvik worship only.... | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 17964 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 208.88.0.16 Rating: N/A |
I think there is no creator...even if he is then he could have done a greater Job.....no need to pray for him.....lets say we have a creator .... he creates people....agree...but he makes some gorgeous n some ugly...some dumb n some genius.... He created a human body painfully by inclusing so many cells n arteries n veins n organs...good....But he also created all sorts of screwed up diseases for which the body can succumb to easily.... He created vast landscapes....gloriuos oceans....and spectatuclar mountains.... at the same time he created earthquakes n cyclones n hurricanes n tsunamis to divert the same nature to destroy us.... and so many things....so no need to pray for creator.... ani anukuntunna if there is one.... | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6420 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
So nothing wrong in anyone's approach kada aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 932 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
anduke valla valla inclinations batti different modes of worship ki scope vundandi hinduism lo....the way you approach me i will reciprocate in the same way ani cheppadu kadha krishna... | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 2370 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 118.94.229.141 Rating: N/A |
Firstly.. one should decide.. Whether to pray.. Then.. one should decide.. Whom to pray.. What to pray.. Where to pray.. When to pray.. How to pray.. Unless you are a committed atheist.. you would find no harm praying.. Whom to pray.. Why do you pray to your Father and Mother.. coz they are your creators.. so yes.. you have to pray to the Creator.. Anyway.. this praying is part of the mental mores.. when and where and why and how it started.. we dont know.. Why do poor people pray.. so that they can become rich?? Why do sick people pray.. so that they can become healthy?? Why do ugly people pray.. so that they are born handsome in next birth?? BTW.. there is always someone worse than you in this world if you have to comfort yourself.. maybe they pray out of gratitude that they are better off than others.. If everything fails.. there is that next birth looming like a damocles sword.. so pray atleast for that next life... | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 931 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
vedas tho start ayyi vundavachu andi ..but hindusim is not frozen in time..it evolved organically....mari form lekapothe universal form etla choopinchadu krishna...why should we limt god to a formless being?..he can be with or without form... | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6414 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Hypothetical answer. Your existence is what you perceive at the instant aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1211 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 208.54.4.44 Rating: N/A |
You don't have to. You can, if you want to restrict yourself. All generalizations have exceptions, including this one | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 14316 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
I agree with you to some extent. As hindus, we wind biblical stories funny. So, you are worried that we will become laughing stock if we say that Ganga is coming from Shivas's head, or Brahma came from Vishnu's navel. The common explanation given to us is that gods are different from humans. And our mind can not comprehend some things  Chiru/Lagadapati/OT | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6410 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Actually - pure shaivism or sakthism ki veetito sambandham undadu kada - avvi kuda hinduism kinda vestamu kada aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 930 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
nenu kopam ga adagaledandi..kopam endhuku evari opinion valladhi..hinduism ki idolatory tho ramayan,mahabharat,bhagavatam tho sambandham ledu ani sweeping statement isthe aa question adiaganu | ||
| Galaxy Junior Artist Username: Galaxy Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 192.128.166.68 Rating: N/A |
Thank you Anand That's why I said these are considered very personal matters for many people, no offense to anyone
I started my homework recently ... still trying to find out the timelines of different Hindu literature ... but I think pure Hinduism includes nothing other than Vedas, God is treated as one supreme being without any form, everything written after Ramayan was not meant to be part of core of Hinduism ... just my opinion | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6406 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
ananlogy - Radioactive decay does not need a will but action happens right ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 4397 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.120 Rating: N/A |
 If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6405 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
And you cannot exist in the form of a creation even in that instant of time ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 4396 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.120 Rating: N/A |
Anta kopam enduku bro... He clearly started his post with a disclaimer. Everyone is entitled to his opinion as long as he/she is not rubbing it on others forcibly.
If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6404 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
That's the point - different schools of thought view it differently - everyone has equal probability of being right or wrong ... Reading and understanding different schools of thought is fine - but for practise best to go with whatever you are comfortable with ... aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 928 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
tana personal opinion cheppochu andi..asalu hinduism ante idolatory kadhu ani ante...tirumala lo vunnadhi stone ante...mari stone ayyithe anta mandhi prominent people enduku velatharu...ISRO vallu rocket launch mundhu velli poojalu endukhu chestaru...mari vallandaru hindus kaadha...evari personal opinion valladhi kadantaledu..hindusism lo idolatoryki sthanam ledu ante aa question adiganu | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 14315 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
no....somehow i feel it is axiomatic . Chiru/Lagadapati/OT | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1205 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 208.54.4.44 Rating: N/A |
You don't 'see' anything. You will realize that you were the creation and you were the creator all along. You will also realize that you were the only one ever existed, none else. Its a state of existence. All generalizations have exceptions, including this one | ||
| Galaxy Junior Artist Username: Galaxy Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 192.128.166.68 Rating: N/A |
If a soul is indestructible, it just goes through the cycles of birth, death, heave/hell, and rebirth – this means at any given time there are fixed number of souls in the universe. Net number of souls entering/leaving earth is exactly equal to net souls entering/leaving heaven and hell – this is “the law of conservation souls†If the population is exploding on earth in the last 100 years, things must be going excellent in hell or terribly wrong in heaven Just a joke | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 2026 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
merging too many schools of thought into one argument. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6402 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
What will you see ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1204 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 208.54.4.44 Rating: N/A |
This creation as we see now is the interpretation of mind based on its limited perception. When those limitations are overcame, you will realize there is no creation at all. All generalizations have exceptions, including this one | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6400 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
This is uncalled for - Galaxy's posts stated personal opinion and practise.. aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6399 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Is that not an assumption ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 14313 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
If there is no will, there will be no activity anywhere . Chiru/Lagadapati/OT | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 927 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
without these there is no hinduism
As far as i know swami vivekananda never criticized Idolatry...he might have criticized blind faith...Do you think people who see god in temples are fools? During vigraha prana pratishta god is requested to reside in the vigraha..and with daily archana and worship it becomes a place of interaction with divinity | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 74 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 71.202.202.75 Rating: N/A |
Hello Ishan, Since all the creation is by the creator so we think that creator and creation are same. But as your question, how did this creation come into existence? If there is no creation then how did all the living/non living things come into being ? Hindus and Jews will rule the world | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6393 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
How do you know there is a will ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6392 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
anta mithya anukoni Hawai enduku andi - aa tickets evo maku iste memu ellevallam kada  aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 14312 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
think of it this way. something existed always and there is consciousness that is running things Things kept on changing. there was no earth. a piece broke off from a star and it became earth. what caused this change of state of the universe? Will of the universal consciousness. . Chiru/Lagadapati/OT | ||
| Ishan Comedian Username: Ishan Post Number: 1200 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 208.54.4.44 Rating: N/A |
Your second sentence is contradicting the first. If creator is equal to creation, how can creation is a separate entity to creator? More important question is, is there a creation? All generalizations have exceptions, including this one | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6386 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
You can't prove anything one way or the other - see this is where I see the ideas of theists and atheists merge - if creator=creation - I firmly believe that - then the theist sees it as creator, the atheist sees only the creation - there is no conflict except in nomenclature aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 73 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 71.202.202.75 Rating: N/A |
Hi Anand, But how can we logically prove it? Hindus and Jews will rule the world | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6384 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
As far as I am concerned, wrong question - they did not come from him - they are part of him/her aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 71 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 71.202.202.75 Rating: N/A |
I think its completely okay to offer some kind of gratitude to the god. It may be in the form of milk/curd/honey or even meat as by bhaktha kannappa. Nothing prevents a person in showing gratitutde to god in which ever way he can. Hindus and Jews will rule the world | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 70 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 71.202.202.75 Rating: N/A |
Cocanada, So according to you: Creator = Creation. So if we go back to from where all this began: there was just a creator and nothing in the unvierse literally nothing (No air, no water, no planets, no stars) just vaccum. From that nothing everything is created by god so from where did all the universe and the living/non living things come ? should they come from him ? Hindus and Jews will rule the world | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 14307 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 98.250.133.195 Rating: N/A |
u are giving 2 names for the same thing and then you are asking some one else to prove that they are the same Chiru/Lagadapati/OT | ||
| Galaxy Junior Artist Username: Galaxy Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 24.187.37.135 Rating: N/A |
Religion and God, very personal things for many people, so please don't take my views expressed here as an offence against your beliefs, these are just my thoughts. My parents are very pious people and I was brought up the same way, I am a practicing Hindu, but recently I started giving a serious thought about the idolatry in Hinduism Now a days idolatry is not practiced in most of the modern religions, it is not allowed in Hinduism according to scholars like Swami Vivekananda and many others, simply idolatry is not accepted in Hinduism. We can use an idol as an object of concentration but we are not supposed to attribute any divinity or power to any particular stone or the place it is in. But if we look at the way idol worship is done in Hinduism today in private homes and in temples, it is pure idolatry, like the idolatry practiced in 2nd and 3rd century Greece, attributing divine power to that particular stone in Tirumala, that particular statue at our home, and being fearful, which is wrong as per Hinduism. When we pray we explain the list of things we are doing, and ask for success in those activities, which is totally wrong and not allowed as per Hinduism. We are not supposed to attribute divinity to any particular statue and place, it's only an object for concentration Recently hundreds of thousands of people suffered because of floods in AP, in the middle of all this, one guy donated 40 crore worth diamond crown, another guy 3 crore worth dhoti made of gold, yet another guy 3 crore worth bathing pail made of gold to Venkatesha in Tirumala, it made me think why are these people doing it? God would have appreciated it more if they bought food and clothes to suffering people instead of buying diamond and gold ornaments that are going sit on a stone statue. These people must be asking for a favor or payback time for a favor, with that particular stone, in that particular temple, which is totally wrong as per Hinduism, pure idolatry, which is not allowed in Hinduism. I am seriously thinking about changing the way I practice Hinduism 1. No idolatry which is nothing but Hinduism with No Ramayan No Mahabharath (obvuously no Bhagawadhgeeta) No Bhagawath (all mythology is purely for entertainment, never bowdown to them) 2. During the prayer stop telling God about things I am doing or the blessings I am seeking anything and everything I do is strictly my business and nothing to do with God 3. Use God only for moral guidance, and nothing more I think the way idolatry is practiced in Hinduism today is going to change drastically, I think we are going see India with no babas and very little idolatry in coming years I don’t want to elaborate anymore here but you get the idea where I am going with this no-idolatry in Hinduism arguement: cleaning the statues with curds, honey, milk, decorating them with flowers thinking God likes it, and later asking for favors, pure idolatry, which is wrong as per Hinduism That's why people like Vivekananda never cared about idol worship and they didn't do it either Again, this is very personal stuff for many people, please don’t take it as an offence. Of late I became less fearful for not following idolatry, I stopped doing lot of things. I am a practicing Hindu, and I seek God for moral guidance only, whether I fail or succeed in my endeavors is none of God's business, I stopped telling him | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 69 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 71.202.202.75 Rating: N/A |
I have a question. Hinduism says that Creator and Creation are one and the same and so we can pray the creation based on the logic that God is present every where and in every thing. My question is 1. Shouldn't we pray the creator who created everything instead of praying the creation ? Though every hindu says that he prays thr creator through the idols but in reality we are praying the creation only instead of the creator? 2. Is it true that all the creation is created by the creator. If so how did the creator create? Did all the creation come from creator only or is it by some kind of supernatural power that all the creation came into existence? How do we prove that CREATOR and CREATION are the same and if we pray the creation we are praying the Creator. Can anyone give me logical explanation to these questions. Hindus and Jews will rule the world |
