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     Idle_yzag Hero Username: Idle_yzag Post Number: 18200 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 24.218.228.156 Rating: N/A |
AP govt ippatiki yekkada yekkuv spend cheyledu projects until YSR came, Coastal geographical ga advantage ayii vachai anthe... anyayam ledu bongu ledu... meeru irrigation lo gola chesthunaru.. motham IT< phrma companies kani airport kani anni hyd ki poyayi, mem yem ayna annama? RahulGandhi/JP/Chiru | ||
| Judge Junior Artist Username: Judge Post Number: 895 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 72.208.165.32 Rating: N/A |
I am no irrigation expert but just have one question Why provide canal water to lands that already have a natural advantage ? Shouldn't more funds be spent on lift irrigation projects to regions at disadvantage ? JP opposed pranahita chevella project based on the cost per acre which would be 5 lakhs and a recurring cost of 50000 rs per year. That is a good point. But he didnt suggest to give up. He suggested smaller lift irrigation projects like he took up in prakasam district with a cost of 2000 rs per acre | ||
| Indiarocks Comedian Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 1919 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 24.117.236.160 Rating: N/A |
Yes it is amateurish in pieces. Written by a common man on his own research. But it has a point. leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 3511 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 98.212.183.18 Rating: N/A |
is this true? which district in AP has western ghats or are adjacent to western ghats .. I thought western ghats were along the Maharastra coastline (some 100-200 kms deeper range in coast)
whats his name .. and the rest of the article is good in pieces though amatuerish .. I doubt the veracity of claims regarding geographies .. but then I am no geography expert ! Garv se kaho - hum Hindu hain | ||
| Indiarocks Comedian Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 1918 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 24.117.236.160 Rating: N/A |
A good read on Telangana water problems, written by a Telanganite. Water flows downhill : Telangana water problems 1 ================================================= Water is one of the contentious issues in Telangana battle. I hear the arguments like Godavari and Krishna rivers flow through Telanagana but most irrigation projects are done in Coastal region. Before going to social and political reasons, I wanted to see physical reasons. What is typical land of a nation? It is simply collection of hills, valleys and plain areas. Hills typically lie inland. If there were hills at the edge of sea, they might have been eroded by sea over thousands of areas, they become plains. Plains mostly lie either at the seashore or on top of some wider hills or in place of some dried down rivers. Andhra Pradesh starts on edges of western ghats and extends to eastern ghats and some plains past eastern ghats. If we ignore small valleys, we call it part of plateau (deccan). You can see our state like triangle leaning towards bay of bengal from lowest zoom level. If you zoom it highest level, you see series of hills, valleys, plains and rivers and lakes between hills. Valleys are not suitable for living and so most likely they are either forests or places of anti social elements. Telangana lies between Godavari and Krishna rivers and on top of western ghats and some plateau. Coastal regions lie on eastern ghats and plains near the sea. Rayalaseema is similarly on hills and plateau bounded by Krishna and Kaveri rivers. This geography is also partial reason why those districts were under different administration boundaries or kingdoms. Where do rivers flow? Rivers originate in high altitude and flow down the land until they reach sea. Rivers always flow into sea. Suppose there was a river flowing to a valley between hills, it starts filling valley at which point it looks like a lake. If water source is perennial or some extensive rain fall hapens on regular basis, it will eventually erode the hills on down side. That is why we do not have any eastern ghats between Godavari and krishna rivers for some 500km. That was geographical evolution. Simply treat dam as wall to stop water. What is suitable place is to construct dam? * If the land is plain on a pleteu, you can not unless you can construct walls on all sides. Most likely rivers do not exist there. So only rain is source of water there. We do have such four walled irrigation projects called reservoirs. This is the case in lot of Telangana and Rayalaseema districts. Other solution is to construct canals from faraway dams. * If the land is up hill, you can not construct dams. We do not have lot of uphill area. * Even if the land is downhill, you can construct dams but only at suitable places like near hills or between hills. Remember the backflow water from dams because of floods and rain at Karnool recently. * If the land is plains between hills and sea, you can not construct dams as well. If they are near by rivers, new canals will be constructed like Telugu ganga from rivers. If they are farther to rivers, they are purely rain dependent just like plateue people. That is why some coastal regions far away from rivers like Vijayanagaram or Nellore have irrigation problems and are purely rain dependent. However monsoons and rain is more common near sea, it is less of problem compared to Rayalaseema and Telangana. * It is easy to construct dams at 300m altitude compared to 500m altitude because of gravity. It may also mean more height of dam at 500m altitude. Totally there are three types of irrigation projects, canals, reservoirs and dams. So when some irrigation project is proposed or when some one asks why there is no irrigation project in some district, first thing to think of is its geography. This is also one of the reasons why lot of projects proposed for political gains were never implemented. However corrupt the government is, it also needs returns on investment to run for five years or ten years. When Y.S. Rajasekhar Reddy proposed Chevella Pranahita project to assuage Telangana voters, Lok Satta party president Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan opposed saying that cost is more than benefit because of the height and location. One can plan for thousands of reservoir and agriculture modernization projects with that money in same Telanagana. However dam is more visible to common electorate but a drain on money! leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Judge Junior Artist Username: Judge Post Number: 886 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 72.208.165.32 Rating: N/A |
SRC is the way to go. 2nd SRC is coming and Telangana will separate definitely with it but the problem is it might take another 20 years the way anything in govt works | ||
| Basky_indya Hero Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 18923 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 75.185.19.223 Rating: N/A |
a split demanding party always knows that they will looose bargaining power 'collectively' , they also knnow the immediate disadvtantages, but attidude is 'we wont be under somebody;s upper hand ani'. recent ga hyd exp, okappudu, konchem cash rich ,posh ni choosi 'konchem respect ekkuva undedi'.. now everyone has money, dobbey antunnadu... money leni vaadu kooda, lite teeskuntunnaru. Gigantic Techno fuctional Mega Blockbuster Magnum Opus BOMMA | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6283 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Analogy continue cheyyandi - split ayyaru and they progressed - now they want to split again...repu telengana lo oka side prosper avute the other region will want a split again  aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Basky_indya Hero Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 18922 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 75.185.19.223 Rating: N/A |
vaala demand DEV issue or ATMA GAURAVA samasyaa... DEV issue Main aithe it can be sorted out.... AATMA gaurava issue aithe, eppatikayina, its a problem Gigantic Techno fuctional Mega Blockbuster Magnum Opus BOMMA | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6282 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Saurashtra separate state eppudu istunnaru ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Basky_indya Hero Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 18921 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 75.185.19.223 Rating: N/A |
anand garu gujarat is the best example. they went separated and still they came to top the india list .... guj is contuining and will continue to flourish for the next generations.. hard working people.. Gigantic Techno fuctional Mega Blockbuster Magnum Opus BOMMA | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6281 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Cha typos ekkuva ayipotunnai - read that as "common men, kind of like the "foreign hand " aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6280 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: |
Misuse of funds is a next tier problems and that is true in a lot of states today as well. But atleast if you get the funds there is hope that some percent will go to the right causes - if you don't get them in the first place then you have a bigger problem.
What is the feasibility of that happening ? As to your point about mistrust and prejudice - these are the easy bogeymen shown by politicians to the common me , kind of like the "foreing hand" to cover their own ineptitude - now they say AP MLA's did not let them develop tomorrow they will blame someone else... aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Indiarocks Comedian Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 1913 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 24.117.236.160 Rating: N/A |
How many ppl are there in this DB? Don't give me individual examples. And if there has been a history of mistrust, why are we seeing the hate messages only for the past few days.
I never said its not. And I am proposing that something like a division is going to change it. You are the one doing it. So you are the one to support your cause. leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Judge Junior Artist Username: Judge Post Number: 885 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 72.208.165.32 Rating: N/A |
Isnt the case right now with united AP ? | ||
| Judge Junior Artist Username: Judge Post Number: 884 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 72.208.165.32 Rating: N/A |
have you seen the db in the past few days ? i try to stay unprejudiced but i was tempted to give in and respond to the hate messages that have been posted here. everything has been said here including T has no culture and they are beggars and A people are thieves. What other mistrust are you waiting for | ||
| Indiarocks Comedian Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 1912 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 24.117.236.160 Rating: N/A |
Without the right leadership what good is done even after getting funds from the center? Talking about T state getting funds is too early, we are talking about a movement with no genuine representation, without a face that is accepted by the supporters of the movement itself, as their leader. leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Indiarocks Comedian Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 1911 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 24.117.236.160 Rating: N/A |
Can't compare other states. The state capital was not involved in other states, and even if we ignore the assembly resolution, they AT LEAST had a genuine representation for their cause. Ok, at the least I am asking you give me somebody's name who raised the point that there is mistrust among Andhra, and Telangana ppl. Not the TRS clan, since they r not genuine. Not your friends. States are not formed on the opinions of a small group. leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Judge Junior Artist Username: Judge Post Number: 882 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 72.208.165.32 Rating: N/A |
I dont know how we ended up with a system where a state's function is to get funds from the center. Isnt it supposed to work the other way around ? I would think a better way to reallocate water resources is through tribunals rather than strength in parliament | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6277 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
But if you do not have the right leadership a small state will have more difficulty getting funds and projects from the centre - you have to account for that as well. aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Judge Junior Artist Username: Judge Post Number: 880 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 72.208.165.32 Rating: N/A |
I think | ||
| Judge Junior Artist Username: Judge Post Number: 879 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 72.208.165.32 Rating: N/A |
disputes between states can be settled in court. disparities among MLAs of the same state end up with majority winning. During the division i think the center decides who gets what. Relatively impartial. I dont think the transition has been smooth mostly in case of other states formation. I might be wrong. But when I talk to my friends from T I havent come across anyone who is against separate state. It may not be strong but if given a yes or no option i think majority would choose yes. There are reps. I just dont like them. | ||
| Indiarocks Comedian Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 1910 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 24.117.236.160 Rating: N/A |
Why won't there be mistrust? What makes you think so? Will there not be new controversies on water sharing, resource sharing, and everything that gets divided among two states. What makes you think that there will be no finger pointing, when the separation is being done on mistrust?
Where are the ppl you are talking to? Seriously. Who are they, and where r they? There is not even one person whom you can claim to be a genuine rep of the movement, and you say that the movement is strong enough to divide the state? leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Judge Junior Artist Username: Judge Post Number: 874 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 72.208.165.32 Rating: N/A |
I dont think the political situation will change. But the opportunity for mistrust based on regions wont be there. The mistrust we have is because of historic reasons more than doubts over someone's character. There are always flag bearers to a movement. Usually the flag bearers show up to take advantage of the movement. KCR didnt start he movement. He is taking advantage of it. If they are not honest don't blame the people or ask them to give up. Unfortunately he is using the vehicle of hatred instead of awareness. I posted asking people to reject him as their representative and continue the fight for separation | ||
| Indiarocks Comedian Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 1907 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 24.117.236.160 Rating: N/A |
Answer to the point. I asked - Will the situation change in a separate state? If yes, how? If you say, you are hoping it will, again what is the base for that hope?
All over India gurinchi enduku. If situation in the new state is going to be exactly the same as it was yesterday, what is the point of forming it? You say that separate T movement is strong, and genuine. You again say that KCR, Nayani, or TRS does not represent it. If they are not the true reps of the movement, I asked you show me a true rep. You do not have a name to say who represents the movement, but the movement is strong enough to declare the state. So, you either accept KCR as the true face of the T movement, or accept that the movement as it is today, is not strong enough even to have a genuine leader. leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Judge Junior Artist Username: Judge Post Number: 871 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 72.208.165.32 Rating: N/A |
i was talking about state legislation. you are saying more number of MPs means more strength in parliament. i am saying what is happening locally is more important than in center.
Political corruption is deamon that whole India has to face. Not just T . I listed T leaders because I am addressing T people. Then why point out just KCR? Who is a good leader in state ? Just because someone can manipulate and hold power does not make him a great leader. May be for the party. Not for the country. Should we stop the functioning of state government until we find a genuine leader? The CM we have is not even elected. We are not even using the best of options we have. What did we do with JP ? Leadership crisis okka telangana ke ledhu. Andhra and All over India ki undhi. | ||
| Judge Junior Artist Username: Judge Post Number: 870 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 72.208.165.32 Rating: N/A |
brother. sorry for using the term in generic sense. i am not calling for segregation of non locals. i just mean people who have suffered there for hundreds of years. if you want a technical definition i think anybody who is eligible to vote in telangana is appropriate | ||
| Indiarocks Comedian Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 1906 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 24.117.236.160 Rating: N/A |
Adi asalu T state ki legislation. bureaucracy lo say lekapothe correct. Here you are totally contradicting your first post. Same leaders combined state lo honest gaa valla voice vinipisthe vallaki say untundi. Same leaders sep state lo valla voice vinipinchaka pothe valla say undadu. Just like what we are seeing in Railway budgets etc.
Separate T state lo same corrupt leaders unte future lo change vachestunda?
Did I mention CBN, Jagan? Did I? I said genuine representation of Telangana movement. period. It is pathetic that you do not even have a person to mention that he represents the genuine T movement. leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| New_user Side Hero Username: New_user Post Number: 7486 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 193.200.150.152 Rating: N/A |
Judge brother What is your definition of a Telanganite? Akkada 30 years nundi T lo untunna vallu qualify avuthara? Lekapothe akkada pudithe saripothunda? Ponee second generation ayithe saripothunda? Prastuthaniki KCR undatam varaku permission ichcharu, ade padivelu. T state form ayithe, Telanganite, non Telanganites ani rules frame chestaru, like non T vadiki jobs ivvakudadu, illu undakoodadu ani. Intha mudda unte eyyammo, Soniammoo .... | ||
| Judge Junior Artist Username: Judge Post Number: 868 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 72.208.165.32 Rating: N/A |
yes. looking forward it is not important. we cant change what has happened. the legislation and bureaucracy will be catering to one region. not multiple regions. HC got no say in allocation of state govt resources hahaha reject KCR does not mean accept CBN or Jagan. They are all the same breed. I mentioned KCR and Nayini because they pretend like they represent Telangana. dont humor yourself thinking andhra leaders are better | ||
| Indiarocks Comedian Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 1905 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 24.117.236.160 Rating: N/A |
Not important ani nuvvu anukunte saripotunda.
Mari separate state vaste sadhinchedi enti? Lobbying for funds undada? Enduku undadu? Already cheppanu TDP, Cong Govts vasthe same situation ani. HC em chepthe adey antaru.
If you really mean it, stop talking about sep T state, till there is a genuine leadership to lead it. Not KCR. T vache varaku KCR, KCR ani taruvatha corrupt ante vadileyataniki KCR pichodu kadu. leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Judge Junior Artist Username: Judge Post Number: 864 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 72.208.165.32 Rating: N/A |
it avoids the unnecessary lobbying for fair share for both sides and misunderstandings from both sides | ||
| Judge Junior Artist Username: Judge Post Number: 863 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 72.208.165.32 Rating: |
500 years nundi unnaara meeru. enduku anavasaranga bhujaalu tadumuntaru
That is not true and not important. I already explained it is our fault. That is again not true and not important. Whatever investment was made in Hyd is to catch up with the rising demand because of population influx. Like all cities, not enough was spent on Hyd also. | ||
| Chiru_fan Side Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 9671 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 71.248.39.11 Rating: N/A |
Political leaders from T are the real enemies of T people! CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Rumpelstiltskin Junior Artist Username: Rumpelstiltskin Post Number: 47 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 66.197.225.85 Rating: |
Telangana people need to know that the enemy is within; not else where... They are fighting with the wrong enemy now...In fact, they are fighting an unknown enemy.. Even if they have Telangana all for themselves, they will not do any better unless they start having self-actualization and fight their own inner demons. | ||
| New_user Side Hero Username: New_user Post Number: 7485 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 193.200.150.152 Rating: |
Meekemanna anyayam chesthe, Nizam, Razakars, Doralu chesi undali. Andhra lo kalavyaadam valla ayyindi anadam thappu. Budget allocations lo kani, inke administrative matter lo ayina major share Telangana meede spend chesaru. Migilina cities ni vadilesi, Hyderabad lo posaru funds annee. Anyayam jarigindi, Andhras ki. Mee area nundi PVNR, Channa, Anjayya lanti vallu CMs ayyaru, kendra mantrulu ayyaru. Inka discrimination emundi? Edo Cotton dora valla coastal lo 4 districts konchem bagu paddayi, adi kooda pre independence time lo. Anthe kani koththaga vachchindi emi ledu. Ika Telangana ki geographical disadvantages undatam, Andhra valla kutra anukunte, ika emi cheppalemu. Intha mudda unte eyyammo, Soniammoo .... | ||
| Judge Junior Artist Username: Judge Post Number: 862 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 72.208.165.32 Rating: N/A |
I think you should. If you knew what was wrong with it you would have pointed out. | ||
| New_user Side Hero Username: New_user Post Number: 7484 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 193.200.150.152 Rating: N/A |
"Endurance, Suffering, Discriminatiom ........" Telanganites ivannee face chesara? Okasari dictionary refer cheyyi.  Intha mudda unte eyyammo, Soniammoo .... | ||
| Judge Junior Artist Username: Judge Post Number: 861 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 72.208.165.32 Rating: N/A |
that is no reason to support corrupt leaders. We are afraid that if we speak against our own leaders we will be giving ammunition to opposite groups. We must understand that they are in the same place. They are not ignorant of the corruption in their parties. If we come out they will also stop being so defensive about their corrupt leaders | ||
| Ford Junior Artist Username: Ford Post Number: 392 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 24.34.31.10 Rating: N/A |
Politicians never represent India people. Inkoti.. every party ditched Telangana people They sold Telangana feelings for their political gain. If not now . we will never be recognized. Papayya | ||
| Judge Junior Artist Username: Judge Post Number: 860 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 72.208.165.32 Rating: N/A |
They are agitating for separate state but they do not represent T culture and sentiments. True T has endured great suffering in past 500 years everything from Muslim invasions to famine and drought. In the contemporary times the biggest reason for our poverty is political ignorance. Unfortunately because of untied Andhra we faced a loss because some politicians like Kasu Brahmananda Reddy and bureaucrats like K.L.Rao felt it is justified to favor one region over another. But what did our MLAs and MPs do ? We elected the same people repeatedly but they didnt do anything to represent the problems of people. We had leaders like Chenna Reddy who hurt Telangana sentiment more than any Andhrite can do. How did we punish him ? By making his son a sitting MLA! Let us not blame the visionary leaders like PV for not doing favors to his region over another. Let us blame ourselves that we do not have more leaders like that. Agitating for T does not make KCR and Nayini better than CBN or YSR. They are the wrong messengers with right message. Even the message is not right because they propagate hatred instead of spreading awareness. They will continue to do what previous CMs and Govts have been doing. They will continue the practice of political corruption and promoting lobbyists and coteries and earn thousands of crores of easy money. Whether we get telangana now or not we will continue remembering that we are a region oppressed by discrimination and the whole and sole responsibility for that is ourselves. They did only half the crime. The other half we have done by not resisting right when the crime was initiated. 50 years ago we were not as educated or politically aware but we dont have that problem now. If we want a future for Telangana let us reject leaders like KCR, Nayini and Vijaya Shanti who are no better than other political leaders who have been ruling us. |
