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Anand_n
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Ishan:

So you agree there is a truth to seek?




I know people who have suddenly seen the light one day without trying at all - and people who have spent all their lives treading prescribed paths without seeing it :-)

So seeking, paths are all moot to my mind :-)

Like the Zen quote I gave - everything falls into place when you are ready :-)

Inka intiki veltunna :-) Happy seeking :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Cocanada:

Does "time" make sense with out "memory' ?




time is necessary for ordering memory. But ur perception is not necessary to define time....Time is not a scale who measure you are seeking...Time just dictates the direction of the evolute called Universe..since human minds is finite state machine,it cant keep track of the tiny scales of fluctuation of this evolute. So we take a gross change and then say what is the difference between the previous state to the current state...along with some knowledge of the previous state....

Mathematically, our memories are Semi Martingales......so to speak
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Cocanada:



Thoughts/Observations/Experience is reaction/reflection from memory


not necessarily. If you go to see a new place, you observe that place to form a new memory, and its not a reflection of past memory...
All generalizations have exceptions, including this one
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YES they do!
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Cocanada:

If you say inaction is also an action, and not seeking something itself is seeking something, I give up




wrong. All I was saying is that when there is nothing to seek, there is no choice between action and inaction everything collapses into nothingness....the collapse of choice is what people call statelessness...Our philosophy preaches ways to reach there whereas JK uses it to support its existence!!!! kiki ardham ayyindha
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Ishan:

If you are talking about my perception of time, yes memory is needed.




Thoughts/Observations/Experience is reaction/reflection from memory

to some external event

(annai...i am not discussing...just sharing my thought process)
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Anand_n:

the day you are able to remove all filters the truth will be available to you


So you agree there is a truth to seek?

Anand_n:

filter information by and as a result your perceptive abilities by


then there is a way to remove those filters.
All generalizations have exceptions, including this one
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Ishan:

about what truth you are talking exactly?



What you call Realization :-)


Ishan:

and what are the filters?




Everything you judge and filter information by and as a result your perceptive abilities by :-)

Konni chepte ardham avvatam kashtam - experience cheyyali :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Der_schuler:

Nenu ivala ee DB ki coke ni GnanaBheebatsa ga declare chesthunna




Der -> Coke : "Madhya taragati yadava naa yaalaa"
Coke -> "Maha prabho..meeru nannu thittaaraa"

(Suthiveerabaddarrao and BRahmi from 'Vivaha bhojanambu')


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Cocanada:

nee UG major enti?




Dual degree Aero and Physics
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Der_schuler:

..anna pan nenu ivalti nunchi....


too late annai...nenu veera AC ni eppatnuncho...
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Anand_n:

Our thinking puts a filters that prevents you from seeing the whole picture - the day you are able to remove all filters the truth will be available to you in all its glory


about what truth you are talking exactly? and what are the filters?
All generalizations have exceptions, including this one
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Cocanada:


Does "time" make sense with out "memory' ?


Why not? time was always there irrespective of your existence or memory. If you are talking about my perception of time, yes memory is needed.
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Der_schuler:

Nenu I picked it up in UG..through books




nee UG major enti?
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Ishan:

how can you realize it with out path?




From one of my initial posts in this thread...


Anand_n:

Write this down somewhere - the day you are able to observe without judging, your self and others, you will find the end of your spiritual pursuit




Our thinking puts a filters that prevents you from seeing the whole picture - the day you are able to remove all filters the truth will be available to you in all its glory :-)

All the rituals/practices/ yoga are tools to help that happen - but like I keep saying , not the only tools :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Nenu ivala ee DB ki coke ni GnanaBheebatsa ga declare chesthunna and ayan inti bayata nenu hundi peduthunna kabardhar...anna pan nenu ivalti nunchi....
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Cocanada:

.Turing machines gurinchi chadivi chala rojulu ayyindi. oka sari refresh cheskovaali




Nuvvu comp sci kadha finite state machines and automata theory neeku teliyali anukuntunna.....Nenu I picked it up in UG..through books
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Anand_n:

all you have to do is realize it


how can you realize it with out path?
All generalizations have exceptions, including this one
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ee DB lo..nenu tappa andaruu hindusim experts lane vunnaru...emi matladutunnaroo okka mukka ekkatledu..



coke annaay...politics, cinemas, ammayilu, technology, religion, sanyasam, hinduism.. neku asalu teliyanivi emanna vunte cheppu pls..
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Anand_n:

everything around you is it :-)




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Ishan:

Ignorance is bliss anaa deeni artham nataraja?




Kadu - mee advaitic explanation apply cheyyandi - you are part of the whole - always in it and part of it ... all you have to do is realize it :-)There is no path to go anywhere because you and everything around you is it :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Neel:

aa roju nundi parties ki temple ki pattu chira kattukunnappudalla enni pattu purugula pranalu poyayo ani alochistunta




jeans eskuni ellu akka

best
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em jarugutondhi ee thread lo
posts chadavaledu chadivithe totally vegetarian or sanyasin ayipothamemo ani

okasari Lemont Temple lo devudi ki kattina pattu vastralau kondamani choostunte
one lady said I dont want to kill pattu purugulu so I gave up wearing kanchi silk sarees annaru

aa roju nundi parties ki temple ki pattu chira kattukunnappudalla enni pattu purugula pranalu poyayo ani alochistunta
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Ishan:

Ignorance is bliss anaa deeni artham nataraja?




Ok. boledu thoughts thannukuntu ostunnnayi. Will try to channelise

Does "time" make sense with out "memory' ?


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Der_schuler:

We are finite state turing complete computing ensembles. We are freaking inferior mate.....we are nuthing but herds and we need a shepherd to look after




Very interested in knowing further. Neeku opika unte

btw..Turing machines gurinchi chadivi chala rojulu ayyindi. oka sari refresh cheskovaali
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Der,

forgot to respond to your question yesterday......you wanna know more about GS and US financial systems/companies, read www.zerohedge.com........true nature of these vampires will blow the minds out for anyone and anybody....

keep reading it for a while and you will know why LLoyd tendered an apology yesterday....
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Der_schuler:

U go no where brother...U go no where




Why the frenetic chase and why the need to realize self thru other's philosophies ?

Stop looking outward, start looking inward and you may start understanding more easily :-)

All the knowledge you need to realize self is within you...the aatma guru , your consciousness will open the doors as you get ready for the next step :-)Innallu anni try chesaru - idi kuda try chesi chudandi :-)

Meeru pattinchukoru ani telusu ayina cheppali anipinchi cheppanu :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Cocanada:

All these made you smarter




kiki made me a freaking anti social...kiki....either they can't stand my presence or I can't stand their ...kiki
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Cocanada:


Path less land implies that there is no destination. There is nothing to seek.
When we stop seeking and our mind is so still that we see things as is.


Ignorance is bliss anaa deeni artham nataraja?
All generalizations have exceptions, including this one
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Cocanada:

when did you convert ?




Did I say my sheperd...likes saffron....kiki
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Der_schuler:

we need a shepherd


when did you convert ?

calling Kamal urgently

:D
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I stay in Etobicoke too.....

CineJeevi,

if you want soulful animal you may have to eat it with dettol, phosphorus and magnesium.......or else you can eat it normally........if you marinate an already soulful animal in the above chemicals, it might probably be double soulful.......I dunno anymore.....Im done and gone for today...
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Der_schuler:

7 years of intense struggle....100's of peoples opinions......several tens of books




All these made you smarter


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Cocanada:

I saw this coming :-)

If you say inaction is also an action, and not seeking something itself is seeking something, I give up

Calling for





Final ga naku emi teleedhu sharanu sharanu ani anukovatame real original path
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Cocanada:

By pointing at religion, he has created a religion of his own?




There you go!!!!!!!!!!!!

Human minds cant handle referential logic....We are finite state turing complete computing ensembles. We are freaking inferior mate.....we are nuthing but herds and we need a shepherd to look after
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Cocanada:

I saw this coming

If you say inaction is also an action, and not seeking something itself is seeking something, I give up

Calling for




Hmm...7 years of my life were spent on these bloody philosophies......7 years of intense struggle....100's of peoples opinions......several tens of books.....U go no where brother...U go no where
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Der_schuler:

When there is nothing to seek, where does the concept of learning and unlearning come into the frame??




Ok. I see what you are saying. By pointing at religion, he has created a religion of his own?

Negating something does not bring you to zero but to -(what you are negating)

?

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Cocanada:

Path less land implies that there is no destination. There is nothing to seek.
When we stop seeking and our mind is so still that we see things as is.




Baaga chepparu :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
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Sachin thammudu...esei...cheptha.....nannu mathram oggei...nalugu hate posts veskuntu woh moola bathukutha......pratodu.....vo dance kadatandhu dance....vokademo....Nihilism antadu..okademo.....JK antadu.....chasthunnam ehe

madhyalo pplsuck idhariki melika vestadhu
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Der_schuler:

When there is nothing to seek, that should include the stillness he is talking abt...kiki.....




I saw this coming :-)

If you say inaction is also an action, and not seeking something itself is seeking something, I give up

Calling for
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Pplsuck:

its so funny....you quoted my animal incest statements to ask me where I stay?




kiki....I stay very close to that china town down King or Bay, I dont remember. Also etobicoke.
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Pplsuck:

how do you know whether it incested (probably a new word) or not?......if incested, then its no kosher for Soul


well.....if u marinate the hen with dettol water n magnesium n phosporous then even the incest hen souls will be redeemed ani darren cheppad....he is the resident expert in incest topics...so i trust him....
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niyyyamkamma.inkosaaari itttanti ardham kaani threads esaarante mothyaanni bansesi dobbuthaaa.....daily oka 4-5 threads ethanaru itantivi.....deenemma roju rojuki manaki theliyani vishayaalu inni unnayaaa ani siraaku dobbesthaandi....
Don't blame others If you don't have f'ing guts to support your statements...
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Cocanada:

We need to unlearn.




When there is nothing to seek, where does the concept of learning and unlearning come into the frame??
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its so funny....you quoted my animal incest statements to ask me where I stay?
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Cocanada:

Path less land implies that there is no destination. There is nothing to seek




When there is nothing to seek, that should include the stillness he is talking abt...kiki.....
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Near Mississauga.....
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what the heck? I don't agree.....how do you know whether it incested (probably a new word) or not?......if incested, then its no kosher for Soul........is this a good business opportunity to farm non-incestual soulful animals for your eating pleasure?.....I dunno....you guys think about it...




U stay @downtown or missisuaga??
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Telugubabu:

statement like sun use to rotate around earth.




But for many centuries people did believe that to be the truth too :-) SO if you asked someone in those days they would confidently say truth is the sun goes round the earth :-)

This debate can go on endlessly - all I know is there are many many facets to this - and what I see maybe only one or few of them :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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I think it is different from saying "There is no path to the truth"

Path less land implies that there is no destination. There is nothing to seek.
When we stop seeking and our mind is so still that we see things as is.

Between event and experience, there is our memory. All the experiences we have are reflection of that even from our memory. So we can not see things clearly if we learn something. We need to unlearn.

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Cocanada:

All he said is we need de-condition ourselves so we can see things as is




If all paths lead it one, there is no intrinsic need to de condition!!!!! These are the pitfalls of human mind. we are an inferior species and that is the truth. I believe we can be programmed, enslaved and categorized and that with in itself gives solace to the confusion borne out of the feeling of irrelevance.
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>>>>>>
It depends on how u eat it??? inti backyard open air lo grill chesthey soul evaporate ipoddhi....adhey closed container lo boil chesthey soul will be preserved....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

what the heck? I don't agree.....how do you know whether it incested (probably a new word) or not?......if incested, then its no kosher for Soul........is this a good business opportunity to farm non-incestual soulful animals for your eating pleasure?.....I dunno....you guys think about it...
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Cocanada:

You can not follow anyone's footsteps to realize the truth


why?
All generalizations have exceptions, including this one
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Cocanada:





means he won't get it....
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Ishan:

Naaku intha varaki ee statement artham kaale...




It means...You can not follow anyone's footsteps to realize the truth.
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Cocanada:

You are DBing like regular folks. Are you enjoying it? or Is it to prove a point?




I disagree to ur intrepretation. Everyone here wants to prove a point and therein lies the answer to ur question of different paths to truth.....

This was the Aha moment for me:

"Yes lets see semantically what this statement means. Truth is absolute and all paths lead to it. Fine. Lets take it as starting point. If truth is absolute and each of us are keyed to recognize that it is so, let us introduce the next dimension to it. All paths lead to it. OK.

Lets look at that. If all points lead to the truth and if truth itself is absolute, the very existence of this philosophy depends on the fact that none of us need to assert our path and discuss it as a way of truth cuz logically its implied.

The very fact that I want my path to be recognized as opposed to others sets up a relativistic metric. Then I come in and say: Listen coke. Digital Bolls to ur path. I am going to kill you cuz my path tells me that killing u is en route my destination. Logically, I stand unchallenged and hence we start of this domino game."
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Der_schuler:

When physicists eventually hit the bottle neck ( I would say they actually never moved from the inception), they started asking the question that if deductive apparatus of life and associative phenomenon are not possible then we can relegate it to complexity and randomness as the reason and then still live under the shadow of nihilism.




I think all western philosophies and ideals which are based on rationalism (including physics to some extent) are on death bed...this failure will unshackle west's iron hold on the oriental mind
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Der_schuler:

Good. I heard it. Dont believe it anymore. I was drawn to it once




Whats wrong with that statement? All he said is we need de-condition ourselves so we can see things as is

Thoughts/Experiences are nothing but reflections of memory.
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Soul sangati telyadu kani animals super
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Anand_n:

That's what I understood UG said - that there is no absolute, unchanging truth - it is always relative



ok if you are looking for unchanging truth here you go
"earth rotates around the sun"
now don't say it may change in future or it was not like that billion years back. statement like sun use to rotate around earth.
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Cocanada:

Truth is a pathless land


Naaku intha varaki ee statement artham kaale...
All generalizations have exceptions, including this one
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Cocanada:

You are DBing like regular folks




this is too much.. reg folks ante evaru.. enduku anta sarcastic
ga regular ani annavu..

Der enduku reg kadu.. emaina problem aa Der ki..

bottomline ..regular ayina irregular ayina.. andaru regula ga
db lone kada untunnaru..inka enduku ee differentiation ..

chussss..I hueted..
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Vjavasi:

shastralanu follow avakunda iccha vartanamu ga pravartinchevadu paramapadamu pondhajaladu)...


I agree.
All generalizations have exceptions, including this one
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Cocanada:

"Truth is a pathless land" speech of J Krishnamurti. I still believe what he says is true.




Good. I heard it. Dont believe it anymore. I was drawn to it once.
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but later realised it leads no where...




That is his point - that there is no where to go, nothing to pursue ...
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Telugubabu:

truth is also relative to time.




That's what I understood UG said - that there is no absolute, unchanging truth - it is always relative :-)

Whether he is right or wrong anedi telidu but the premise seems plausible enough :-)
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pondhajaladu


anagaa emi?
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Thanks for your opinions...nenu first ayana videos chusinappudu kochem shock ayya andharini titaadu (Buddha, jesus,shankara..)..kochem out of box anipinchindhi...but later realised it leads no where...ghantasala bhagavat gita lo oka vakyam gurthuku vachindhi(shastralanu follow avakunda iccha vartanamu ga pravartinchevadu paramapadamu pondhajaladu)...
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late enduku...adugu


You are DBing like regular folks. Are you enjoying it? or Is it to prove a point?
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Anand_n:

I thought you said "id is Anand_n" is the truth .So what is the truth here in this example ...

All that can be definitively said is at this point of time , my id was/is Anand_n..this is a logically ascertained premise isn't it ?




"its not at this point of time". everything is relative. truth is also relative to time.
for example ..
yesterday i ate chicken biryani. today i ate pototo curry. tomorrow I will eat fish curry. they are just statements with different time frames. there is a truth in every statement.
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Ishan:



Der_schuler:




Nenu teenage lo Vivekananda books chadivevaadini. It instilled some confidence, patriotism and some pride in me.

Then I was into ISKCON in early 20s. I was very attracted to Krishna paintings and music and dancing

What cleared my mind is "Truth is a pathless land" speech of J Krishnamurti. I still believe what he says is true.

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Cocanada:

Der annai. Naaku oka doubt.




late enduku...adugu
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Telugubabu:

if you change your Ids, I have to change statements. statements change but not the truth.




I thought you said "id is Anand_n" is the truth .So what is the truth here in this example ...

All that can be definitively said is at this point of time , my id was/is Anand_n..this is a logically ascertained premise isn't it ?
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I agree. Confused minds with confused philosophies avanni ani naa opinion.
All generalizations have exceptions, including this one
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kiki




Der annai. Naaku oka doubt.

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Anand_n:

So you changed the statement - will you change it everyday ? Then how is it an absolute unchanging truth ?



if you change your Ids, I have to change statements. statements change but not the truth.
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Telugubabu:

NO. "yesterday your id was Anand_n". still there is a truth.




So you changed the statement - will you change it everyday ? Then how is it an absolute unchanging truth ?
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jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Anand_n:

Tomorrow if I change my id it will be a lie kada



NO. "yesterday your id was Anand_n". still there is a truth.
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Anand_n:




i still need to go through everyhting, some posts random gaa chadivithe aa thought process and presentation ki applaud cheyali anipinchindi
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Telugubabu:

when i say your id is Anand_n, isn't it the truth ?




Tomorrow if I change my id it will be a lie kada :-)
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Nihilism works for people who actually see moral code as an encumbrance. These are people are fashionably called realists. Nihilism drew strength from post modern explosion of what people call relativism and scientism.

There was a window of 20 years when the invention of atomic bomb and the computer spawned a whole school of physicists who promulgated and accelerated the growth of nihilism on the back of a short lived success really.

When physicists eventually hit the bottle neck ( I would say they actually never moved from the inception), they started asking the question that if deductive apparatus of life and associative phenomenon are not possible then we can relegate it to complexity and randomness as the reason and then still live under the shadow of nihilism.

Then came the era of complexity estimation of natural processes. Computers quickly became the nemesis of their dreams. People like john conway invented Game of life paradigm where complexity was ushered in with systems of dimensionality as small as 3.

That was actually the death blow to the logic of randomness and the associated escapade of nihilist thinkers who took shelter in that
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Anand_n:

Makes sense to me



when i say your id is Anand_n, isn't it the truth ? so in what context he says there is no truth. to me logically there is a truth.
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Annavaram:

everyone




Emiti appude clapping - burra tinnadi chalu inka curtain veyyamana ? :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Telugubabu:

There is no such thing as truth. The only thing that is actually there is your 'logically' ascertained premise, which you call truth.




Makes sense to me :-)
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jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Cinejeevi:


kodi ni kosuku tinTe daani body tinnatta?? soul tinnattaa??



Elcaminocapastrino:

It depends on how u eat it??? inti backyard open air lo grill chesthey soul evaporate ipoddhi....adhey closed container lo boil chesthey soul will be preserved....





aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Cocanada:

there is no truth ante

the logical conclusion of that statement is "we all should shut up"

Endukante...."there is no truth" anedi oka statement. if we apply this philosophy to the same statement, the statement is not true.




yeah he literally means it. UG oka mental. JK ante eeyanaki jealousy.

his quote
There is no such thing as truth. The only thing that is actually there is your 'logically' ascertained premise, which you call truth.
http://praveennv.blogspot.com/2007/10/ug-krishnamurti-quotes .html
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Vjavasi:

meeru U.G krishnamurthy peru vine vuntaru kadha ...ayana mida mee opinions cheppandi




Both UG and JK are both variants of existentialistic thinkers. JK is more of the school of Søren Kierkegaard who was steeply entrenched in the belief of existential philosophy where as UG is a more radical form of existentialism which is existentialist nihilism (moral nihilism to be more pointed in direction).

I have read some JK and some UG. Was very influenced by JK when I was 20 and that was the period around which objectivism was introduced to me as a fasionable fad to flash around the campus of my school. It took me 6 months of intense introspective struggle to break free from the clutches of either forms of thought after realizing their complete worthlessness.

Objectivism strictly speaking is not even a philosophy. It is a strain of existentialism.
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Cinejeevi:

kodi ni kosuku tinTe daani body tinnatta?? soul tinnattaa??


It depends on how u eat it??? inti backyard open air lo grill chesthey soul evaporate ipoddhi....adhey closed container lo boil chesthey soul will be preserved....
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intaki emi telcharu final gaa?

kodi ni kosuku tinTe daani body tinnatta?? soul tinnattaa??

kluptamgaa telugu lo ardhamayyela seppanDi.
last min lo pottu lEdanaTam debba esindi. ayina parledu we will wait.
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Telugubabu:

UG emi chebthadu ante there is no truth. antha trash antadu. ekkuva vaadisthe ninnu boothulu thidathadu.


there is no truth ante

the logical conclusion of that statement is "we all should shut up"

Endukante...."there is no truth" anedi oka statement. if we apply this philosophy to the same statement, the statement is not true.

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Vjavasi:

meeru U.G krishnamurthy peru vine vuntaru kadha ...ayana mida mee opinions cheppandi



UG emi chebthadu ante there is no truth. antha trash antadu. ekkuva vaadisthe ninnu boothulu thidathadu.
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Vjavasi:

meeru U.G krishnamurthy peru vine vuntaru kadha ...ayana mida mee opinions cheppandi




Delivery nachadu so oka filter/block automatic set avutundi mind lo.. Also his body language does not make me feel he is at peace with himself..so another filter in perception...

But despite that , some things he says do hit home ... ekkuva videos chudaledu because of the above reasons :-)
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Elcaminocapastrino:


needi mamulu burra kaadu

Circus lo jantuvulaki unde soul and wild animals ki unde soul okate naa kaada disco chestaar ippudu
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Vjavasi:

meeru U.G krishnamurthy peru vine vuntaru kadha ...ayana mida mee opinions cheppandi




nenu pedda chadavaledu.
eeyana elli Jiddu Krishnamurti to godava eskunnadu oka meeting lo.
andukani slight ga -ve impression .

:-(
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Cocanada:


Naa polika neeku kothaga anipinchindaa....chatha gaa anipinchindaa


funny ga anipinchindi...
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Neel:

have a question for you off topic
calling thread vesta chusi reply ivvandi
regarding kids Circus show


kids circus lo animals untai....ikkada kooda animals gurinchey disco....so off topic kadhanukunta....ee thread loney meeru adagocchu if pazibul
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kids Circus show


naaku chala ishtam. nenu kuda ostaa thed ki
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Ishan:



Cocanada:



Anand_n:



Der_schuler:




meeru U.G krishnamurthy peru vine vuntaru kadha ...ayana mida mee opinions cheppandi
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Ishan:


What happens to electricity when you pull the plug?

nee kyamedy thagaleyya...




Naa polika neeku kothaga anipinchindaa....chatha gaa anipinchindaa
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Anand_n:




I have a question for you off topic
calling thread vesta chusi reply ivvandi
regarding kids Circus show
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Telugubabu:


what happens to soul after we die ?


If you have lead a life of desires, then your soul gets attached to the karma phalam. Those karmas form a layer called lesya around the soul. In that case, when you die, your subtle body "Sukshma sharira" drags all the senses towards it along with prana and prajna (experiences in that life) and leaves the body from the tip of your heart and goes to devayana.

The nature of the next birth of a man is determined by the nature of pleasurable or painful experiences that have been made ready for
him by his maturing actions of this life.

If the experiences determined for him by his action are such that they are possible to be realized in the life of a goat, the man will die and be born as a goat. As there is no ultimate beginning in time of this world process, so there is no time at which any person first began his actions or experiences.

Man has had an infinite number of past lives of the most varied nature, and the instincts of each kind of life exist dormant in the life of every individual, and thus whenever he has any particular birth as this or that animal or man, the special instincts of that life (technically called vasana) come forth.

In accordance with these vasanas the person passes through the painful or pleasurable experiences as determined for him by his action. The length of life is also determined by the number and duration of experiences as preordained by the fructifying actions of his past life.

However, if you perform actions with out karma phala (in case of salvation), your soul is liberated without any attachments and will merge with the infinite.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis

The Gaia hypothesis is an ecological hypothesis proposing that the biosphere and the physical components of the Earth (atmosphere, cryosphere, hydrosphere and lithosphere) are closely integrated to form a complex interacting system that maintains the climatic and biogeochemical conditions on Earth in a preferred homeostasis. Originally proposed by James Lovelock as the earth feedback hypothesis,[1] it was named the Gaia Hypothesis after the Greek supreme goddess of Earth.[2] The hypothesis is frequently described as viewing the Earth as a single organism. Lovelock and other supporters of the idea now call it Gaia theory, regarding it as a scientific theory and not mere hypothesis, since they believe it has passed predictive tests.[3]
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Vjavasi:

andulo tappu emanna vunte cheppandi...sarididukuntamu




mee post lo tappufu vethike scene ledu mastaaru....i am a bachhaa
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Vjavasi:

mana bhudevi ni vadilesaru




Vadala ledu - I like to cross reference philosophies and ideas across cultures - find the commonality very interesting and intriguing :-)
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Anand_n:

Depends on school of thought - in one soul is distinct from God , in another after some births and getting rid of its karmic baggage it merges with God, in another it goes to heaven or hell based on your deeds, and in yet another it just exists as part of the whole and gets re-purposed as needed

These are all beliefs - cut and dried answer evari deggira ledu




one more belief. human being soul leaves its body and may pass into an animal. or animal soul pass through human being.
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Cocanada:

one more candidate

inka nenu thattukolenu




andulo tappu emanna vunte cheppandi...sarididukuntamu..
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Parthasaradhi:

bottom line is reading too much makes you confused.




Don't worry - there is a Zen saying ...

"when the student is ready, the teacher will appear "

you wwill find the answers and understand them when you are ready - appativaraku- be happy :-)
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Cocanada:



What happens to electricity when you pull the plug?


nee kyamedy thagaleyya...
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Anand_n:

I am saying that there could be more possibilities and more means to do it out there that we do not know about :-)


I don't think so.
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baboy. inka nenu tattukolenu. bottom line is reading too much makes you confused. You in turn will make others confused with that knowledge.

nenu jump.
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Vjavasi:

I mean to say that infinite consciousness is not the same althrough it has unique gradation infinitesimmally


achinthya bheda abheda school aa meeru?...yes it seems more easier way to explain advaitha. But still I am prone to absolute advaitha.
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Ishan:

There is no other way of realizing the ultimate than this.




I am saying that there could be more possibilities and more means to do it out there that we do not know about :-)
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Bunty717:

intaki emi decide cheseru humans ki souls and animala ki soles anaa..




Consensus so far : Andariki anni untayi - but animals have more soles and humans have more soul

Cocanada:

do they have concept of collective consciousness?




Not sure but they have the earth as an organism :-)
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Telugubabu:

ok got it.


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Cocanada:

What happens to electricity when you pull the plug?




electricity will pass through bala krishna in okka mogadu. so you mean after soul dies it goes to bala. bala becomes deyyam. ok got it.
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Vjavasi:

it has unique gradation infinitesimmally


one more candidate

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Anand_n:

What makes you think Yoga is the only way to realize the soul ? what if they have their own mechanisms - why are you precluding the possibility ?


Yoga is defined as "chitta vritthi nirodha:" where you are essentially controlling your chittha and going beyond it to realize the ultimate. They translate it to self-abnegation/self-renunciation/self-sacrifice where in self is equalized with ego. There is no other way of realizing the ultimate than this. Anduke alaa anna.

Cocanada:

I believe earth is a conscious living thing. we are like cells of the earth. Earthquakes, weather etc are bodily processes of the earth


Yes, samkhya clearly says this. Universe has intelligence.
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Anand_n:

That is the Gaia hypothesis Gaia - the greek goddess earth




mana bhudevi ni vadilesaru
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Telugubabu:

what happens to soul after we die ?




Depends on school of thought - in one soul is distinct from God , in another after some births and getting rid of its karmic baggage it merges with God, in another it goes to heaven or hell based on your deeds, and in yet another it just exists as part of the whole and gets re-purposed as needed:-)

These are all beliefs - cut and dried answer evari deggira ledu :-)
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Ishan:

how can an infinite be restricted to individual consciousness? or how can one infinite entity can have two existences at the same time?




I mean to say that infinite consciousness is not the same althrough it has unique gradation infinitesimmally
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Telugubabu:

what happens to soul after we die ?




What happens to electricity when you pull the plug?

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Anand_n:

That is the Gaia hypothesis:-) Gaia - the greek goddess earth :-)




do they have concept of collective consciousness?

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intaki emi decide cheseru humans ki souls and animala ki soles anaa..
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Telugubabu:

body cells don't have soul anukunta. only brain neural cells got soul or sollu. the moment brain dies soul dies. kiki serious ga theesukokandi.




nenu cheppindi correct anukunta. inthakee soul ante enti ? evarina cheppandi.
according to marriam webster
soul is a moral and emotional nature of human beings.

what happens to soul after we die ?
a moving spirit after death ? DEYYAM ?
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Vjavasi:

I Agree...that means they have their own identity which is part of collective identity




I agree with that too :-) Finally seem to be arriving at a consensus here :-)
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Cocanada:

I believe earth is a conscious living thing. we are like cells of the earth. Earthquakes, weather etc are bodily processes of the earth




That is the Gaia hypothesis:-) Gaia - the greek goddess earth :-)
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Cocanada:

I believe earth is a conscious living thing. we are like cells of the earth. Earthquakes, weather etc are bodily processes of the earth

Mana body lo cells kuda manaki jwaram ochinappudu G-20 summit pettukuntaayemo. To save us.




I Agree...that means they have their own identity which is part of collective identity
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Forgot to add the main point. We have our own consciousness. Earth has its own comsciousness which is a collective consciousness of all life on earth.
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Vjavasi:

i feel it is both infinite as a whole and at the same time infinitesimal as a individual consciousness..


This is going to be off topic discussion, but don't you think that sentence is contradictory? how can an infinite be restricted to individual consciousness? or how can one infinite entity can have two existences at the same time? Isn't the second one restricting the other? then that will be finite. The moment you say there is something else, the singularity of the infinite is gone.
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Anand_n:



Ishan:




I believe earth is a conscious living thing. we are like cells of the earth. Earthquakes, weather etc are bodily processes of the earth

Mana body lo cells kuda manaki jwaram ochinappudu G-20 summit pettukuntaayemo. To save us. :D
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Ishan:

ante if you can talk to animals and explain yoga, they can realize the soul too?




What makes you think Yoga is the only way to realize the soul ? what if they have their own mechanisms - why are you precluding the possibility ?
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Cocanada:


That is because we are able to communicate only with humans


Naaku artham kaale thammi...ante if you can talk to animals and explain yoga, they can realize the soul too? Idi theoretically possible ee...but 99.9% human beings ke artham kaadu ee concept...inka animals ki emi nerpisthav cheppu...

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Cocanada:

That is because we are able to communicate only with humans




Bingo :-) Our knowledge is bound by our limitations to comprehend :-)
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Ishan:

contradiction of what you know is the beginning of your growth




Way to go :-)


Ishan:

Not only cells, every thing sentient and non-sentient things is nothing but the reflection of the soul.




Scientology lo all is energy antaru anukunta deenine :-) But reflection anagane you have created another entity so maybe better to use a different word - more like a subset/part :-)
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my mind somehow doesn't agree with this continuity of consciousness without any diffrence..i feel it is both infinite as a whole and at the same time infinitesimal as a individual consciousness..just as light can be explained both as a continuous wave and as individual quantum packets of energy
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Ishan:

However, only humans have the ability to realize it.




That is because we are able to communicate only with humans

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Parthasaradhi:


off topic. i think your sig is contradictory in itself.


Anduke naaku nachindi...contradiction of what you know is the beginning of your growth.
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Ishan:

All generalizations have exceptions, including this one




off topic. i think your sig is contradictory in itself.
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Vjavasi:

medhavulaki chinna question....biology prakaramu body lo each cell living kinda lekke kada..mari each cell lonu soul vuntunda..mee opinions cheppandi


Nenu medhavi ni kaanu, but I will share what I know. According to advaitha, soul is all pervading singularity. There are no individual souls. Everything we see is the manifestation of that soul. We see different things when we see them through a filter of illusion. So the question is not whether cell has soul, but whether cell IS the soul? (or strictly whether there is a cell?) and the answer is yes. Not only cells, every thing sentient and non-sentient things is nothing but the reflection of the soul. However, only humans have the ability to realize it.
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Vjavasi:

medhavulaki chinna question....biology prakaramu body lo each cell living kinda lekke kada..mari each cell lonu soul vuntunda..mee opinions cheppandi



body cells don't have soul anukunta. only brain neural cells got soul or sollu. the moment brain dies soul dies. kiki serious ga theesukokandi.
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Vjavasi:

medhavulaki chinna question....biology prakaramu body lo each cell living kinda lekke kada..mari each cell lonu soul vuntunda..mee opinions cheppandi




Tamud...Please read between the lines..

In my prior post, I have refuted the very existence of anything called "soul"..

Inthakante ekkuva matladakudadu ilanti threads lo, ani decided eppudooo...:-)
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pure truth??? truth lo malli pure truth untundaa?
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Vjavasi:

medhavulaki chinna question....biology prakaramu body lo each cell living kinda lekke kada..mari each cell lonu soul vuntunda..mee opinions cheppandi




Champesaavu annai... keka question

There is something called collective consciousness.

You can override the decision of body cells. Some times you can not.

This is what it is said in Isopanishad. Concsiousness is full and infinite.

You take infinite from infinite and infinite still remains

Life/Consciousness gives birth to another consciousness and still remains.



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Initiator antha authoritative response kavalante ikkada enduku post chestadu? Qualified person ni adagali india ki poyi. yadha raja tadha praja.

naa mata vini meeru kooda eko okadi rayandi. lekapothe feel avutadu. kikiik




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Takeitez:

hindusim gurinchi naalugu maatalu matladukunte neeku chana kashtam kadha




mattadutunnatu undha ekkadanna ee thread lo kikiki........

Statement1: This is the truth coz my mind doesnt reconcile with unification of soul with so called casings.....

Me ask: OK. Philosophical reference...no...OK....any ontological basis for refute that will answer existing problems that current theological setups dont solve....

Answer: Another rant...kiki.....

I cant understand circular or referential logic....I am stumped along the dimension of such faculties....
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kiki...initiator post lo Hinduism experts annadu...goodness intha mandhi experts unnara hinduism meedha..




Initiator antha authoritative response kavalante ikkada enduku post chestadu? Qualified person ni adagali india ki poyi. yadha raja tadha praja.

naa mata vini meeru kooda eko okadi rayandi. lekapothe feel avutadu. kikiik
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Lionswalkalone:





sorry, na last post meeku matrame kadu...it was a mistake
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anduke manam ee thread just chadivings.




good atleast neeku artham ayina avotondi.. naku artham kuda avadam ledu

ee thrde lo matter.. malli malli chaduvutunna.. epatikaina artham
avutundemo ane aasa tho..
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tammud, ninnu torture ettatam ez anukuntunna.. hindusim gurinchi naalugu maatalu matladukunte neeku chana kashtam kadha ( saradaaga teesko naa post )
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medhavulaki chinna question....biology prakaramu body lo each cell living kinda lekke kada..mari each cell lonu soul vuntunda..mee opinions cheppandi
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Animals do not have intellect to distinguish between good and bad. Animals take life as per their previous life's bad deeds and experience them. They can not go to temple and elevate themselves. they just do not have that faculties in them.

Since they dont have intellect, they also dont have concept of sin. For whatever animal does in its life, it cannot get any sins from that life. If some mad guy rapes a girl, do courts put him in jail. No. Instead he will be sent to mental hospital. Likewise, God does not punish animals for their actions in their life.

Animals do not pray. Animals only know food, sleep and sex. It is the nature that forces these things on animals. They do not do actions by knowing it is good or bad. They feel angry and search for food. thats all
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Deyyam soul endhuku adigindi bedazzeld cinema lo seppandi konchem
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Lionswalkalone:

Anything else is our brain's reception, reaction and wonderful imagination..




tammudu eti ee Buddha avataram..
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kiki...initiator post lo Hinduism experts annadu...goodness intha mandhi experts unnara hinduism meedha...


anduke manam ee thread just chadivings.....amusing I say
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Cocanada:

Bacteria ki kuda manasu untundi
aa manasu lo okadini korukuntundi
evadu padite aadu gokkodadehe


amoeba self reproductory asexually....dhaniki thodu akkarledhu anukunta....pandhulu gumpuluga osthai...amoeba single ga osthadhi....
so told by some road side goin.....Thats dad
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selfless




Did I say selfless anywhere ? All emotion is selfish :-) I am just saying remove everyone else but yourself fromt he picture - look inward to your emotions and feelings.. what you feel is pure emotion ...what you do is baggage to that emotion:-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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There is human body which is controlled by Human brain which again is an organ in the human body..

Anything else is our brain's reception, reaction and wonderful imagination..
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parents luv for kids can it be called selfless n insulate to reciprocations???
they luv them cause they were born to them....the objective of this affection is stemming from that bond kadhaa.... am i missin something....
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Getafix:

I mean how many dads will think objectively when his kid goes out and gets drunk... i mean is there any dad (prakash raj being an exception) who will objectively think it as random teenage act.. or dispassionate ga why such thing happened ani think chesthada.. or will the dad trust his son going forward..




None of these prevent the dad from feeling the love for his son kada :-) The emotion is still love for the child.A better example is probably love for God - devudu enni kashtalu ichina oka sincere God-lover ki devudi meda prema taggadu :-) That is the emotion without the baggage :-)


Getafix:

the point i want to say here is - he bettered society by not doing wrongdoings..




So he is at the same position as someone who lives in society without wrongdoing and does not make any "soul" progress as far as benefit to society is concerned , right ?
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Anand_n:

Love for someone without any dependency on their reciprocation - like your kids - you will love them no matter what



selfless love ki most skewed example idi anukunta nen.. elementary school nunchi parents expectations ane baggage place chestahru kids shoulders meeda..
for example-
I mean how many dads will think objectively when his kid goes out and gets drunk... i mean is there any dad (prakash raj being an exception) who will objectively think it as random teenage act.. or dispassionate ga why such thing happened ani think chesthada.. or will the dad trust his son going forward..

Anand_n:

But only if he takes the action of delivering that knowledge back to society kada



the knowlegde gained is custom - i mean whatever the person goes thru while doing penance are his own experiences or self reflections...Whatever I gained as knowledge is centric to my experiences.. there is no point in teaching somebody else what i learnt as their circumstances are different from my own.. the point i want to say here is - he bettered society by not doing wrongdoings..by doing penance he bettered his soul thereby improving society.
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Cocanada:

manasu, gokichukovadam
that dialog is from Sontam




:-) mee creativity anukunna ...anyway just kidding - don't take it to heart ...
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Anand_n:

Chudaledu - emi emanna vishadakaramaina love history unda cinema ki associated ?:-)




manasu, gokichukovadam
that dialog is from Sontam
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Cocanada:

meeru 'Sontham' cinema chudaledaa?




Chudaledu - emi emanna vishadakaramaina love history unda cinema ki associated ?:-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Anand_n:

rgent ga pelli cheyyamani cheppandi intlo :-)


\

meeru 'Sontham' cinema chudaledaa?

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Cocanada:

SOUL IS ELECTRICITY




Polarity teda vaste circuit fried :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Pplsuck:

Even if I know hindi, my understanding of statements is always need based.....:-)




Yep -that's how I thought it worked

Der_schuler:




meeru na posts chadivi anavasaramaina tala noppilu techukovatam avasarama antara :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Cocanada:

Body is hardware
Mind is software

Heart is the power box
Brain is Processor

SOUL IS ELECTRICITY



All generalizations have exceptions, including this one
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>>>>>
if you understand hindi
>>>>>>>>>>>

Even if I know hindi, my understanding of statements is always need based.....:-)

I understand as needed....this situation doesn't warrant any......
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Body is hardware
Mind is software

Heart is the power box
Brain is Processor

SOUL IS ELECTRICITY

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Cocanada:

Bacteria ki kuda manasu untundi
aa manasu lo okadini korukuntundi
evadu padite aadu gokkodadehe




urgent ga pelli cheyyamani cheppandi intlo :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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>>>>>>
Yo seriously u are one heck of an interesting character........I want to meet u one day....I am going to be in toronto for thanksgiving....may be then if you intend to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I ain't such a nice host these days with 2 kids at home.....and the general rule is I meet guys only for a mandu sitting.......and as far as I know, you don't drink.....

alaa evening times oka cafe lo kalisi, oka nice coffee taagi "hi-bye" lu cheppukodam laanti formal meetings lo I suck big time.......unless it is a business meeting, I don't put a formal make-up anytime normally.......

under the above ( wow...."under the above") circumstances, how do you think is the best way for this meeting to happen?
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Getafix:

oka example ivvandi.. pure love being an emotion without baggage anedaniki.




Love for someone without any dependency on their reciprocation - like your kids - you will love them no matter what :-)


Getafix:

simple he improves society by imposing self - restrain. Penance kuda oka learning/growing process ye kada.




But only if he takes the action of delivering that knowledge back to society kada :-)

Parthasaradhi:

Basically you are saying soul is life. So if life is lost there will be no soul. So according to you, dead (without life) dont have soul.
anthe kadaa meru cheppedi.




Yes - without soul the body has no life :-)

I think I understand your confusion - soul is the energy , body is the matter anukondi - rendu kalisi unanantha kalam life as we know it - when they separate this existence/janma dies.

Neither the matter nor the energy ceases to exist - they just morph into another form anukuntunna :-)

Next janma is a new combination of soul(energy) and body(matter) ... does that make sense ?
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Cocanada:




nuvvu manasu nu koodaa techi inka pedda problem chestunnavu.
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Bacteria ki kuda manasu untundi
aa manasu lo okadini korukuntundi
evadu padite aadu gokkodadehe

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Yo seriously u are one heck of an interesting character........I want to meet u one day....I am going to be in toronto for thanksgiving....may be then if you intend to
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Anand_n:

Pure love annadi just emotion without its baggage - at an emotional level - love is not pure or impure - it just is love


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Anand_n:

Define who is "dead" here and then it will make sense




You defined soul as divine spark of life blah blah blah
Basically you are saying soul is life. So if life is lost there will be no soul. So according to you, dead (without life) dont have soul.
anthe kadaa meru cheppedi.
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Anand_n:

Pure love annadi just emotion without its baggage - at an emotional level - love is not pure or impure - it just is love



oka example ivvandi.. pure love being an emotion without baggage anedaniki.


Anand_n:

How does a sage who renounces the world to go do penance in a cave improve his own soul improve society ?




simple he improves society by imposing self - restrain. Penance kuda oka learning/growing process ye kada.
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Just Now Finished 1 right Leg Breaaaaaaaav

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Getafix:

by saying pure love arent we judging it.. i mean we are bracketting love into pure and impure..if there purity or impurtiy doesnt fall into judging realm then what is pure love?




Pure love annadi just emotion without its baggage - at an emotional level - love is not pure or impure - it just is love :-)

Getafix:

better souls make up better society..




Better actions make better society :-)

How does a sage who renounces the world to go do penance in a cave improve his own soul improve society ?
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Pplsuck:

.......although I din't understand what you said,




Yeah, right :-) Baal dhoop me nahin safed kiyen hai - if you understand hindi :-)

Evari agenda vallu furthering
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
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Anand_n:

Think that thru ..who do you think needs that growth - the soul or the society ?



Both.. better souls make up better society.. so growth renditiki kavali. Society tissue ayithe soul cell that make sup that tissue anukuntunna.

Also - by saying pure love arent we judging it.. i mean we are bracketting love into pure and impure..if there purity or impurtiy doesnt fall into judging realm then what is pure love?
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>>>>>>>
Got it backward anukunta :-) Think about it :-)

Chanti annaya presented only what he is - you interpreted it differently, I did differently, we delved into different sides ..the difference is in how we perceive not what is presented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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at least ippudainaa ardham chesuko.....get it right....don't understand it backwards....kikiki...........
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Maverick:

chantod is one example to say that what we present ourselves in db is not what actually we are..




:-) Got it backward anukunta :-) Think about it :-)

Chanti annaya presented only what he is - you interpreted it differently, I did differently, we delved into different sides ..the difference is in how we perceive not what is presented :-)
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jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Parthasaradhi:

That means dead dont have souls?




Define who is "dead" here and then it will make sense :-)
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Vjavasi:

I think soul can't be in peace for long...either it needs love, happiness ..or it needs lust, vengence...it can't be neutral for long




Agree - its like a compass needle that can be taken out of harmony by other influences... so you usually end up vacillating thru that sense of peace...to keep it fixed in harmony eternally you have to take away all extraneous pulls on it - hence renunciation :-)But that is not an option for most householders /and for me not even a desire ... so the best we can do is try to keep the deviation to a minimum by keeping the positve forces strong :-)

Don't know if that made sense or confused more :-)

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Initiator did a good Job Just 2 Posts Rest all Dommi

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Anand_n:

I agree - so first define "we" Are you associating that to the physical existence ? If yes - we die at death. If you are associating that to the soul - there is no death - so where is the contradiction ?





Anand_n:

Soul is the divine spark of life- the innermost core of existence :-) Intellect, mind, senses, physical attributes of breath, body are all external protective layers for that sensitive core - my take of their purpose being to to protect and sustain that core thru this life




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Annai nenu neeku fan ni ivalti nunchi.......sodhi lekunda clear ga...original ga cheppav



Der broder..

chantodannai typical style lo artham ayyi artham kaanatuga seppadu.. what did he say ..can you plz explain.

Nen inni rojulu - mind acts as a motor for senses anukunna.. santod annai total ga kindal chesadu naa thought process ni.

p.s- nen serious ga innocent ga aduguthunna explain cheyamani.. no agenda
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Anand_n:

I personally do not believe so - the only spiritual tendency I attribute to the soul is to feel at harmony or not - Love, happiness and other positive emotions leave the soul at peace, in harmony with the cosmic consciousness and the opposite emotions leave it disturbed, jarred and disoriented from the whole...




I think soul can't be in peace for long...either it needs love, happiness ..or it needs lust, vengence...it can't be neutral for long
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Chantodu:

Beyond the senses is the mind.. beyond the mind is the intellect.. higher than intellect is the Soul




chantod is one example to say that what we present ourselves in db is not what actually we are..
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When the soul is restricted in the realm of bodily desires/instincts, its called as mind.

When the soul is restricted in the realm of individuality, its called as ego.

When the soul is restricted in the realm of reason/cause and effect, its called as intelligence.

When the soul is restricted in the realm of primal nature, its called as mahat and prakrithi.

When the soul is un-restricted in the realm of anything, its pure consciousness.

All these restrctions are the results of Maya.

SOul/purusha is active- the force and the nature is inactive-the matter.

Mind and ego - Tamo guna (ego might come in rajo guna too)
Intellect and Mahat - Rajo guna
Pure soul - Sattva guna

Yes, animals do have souls.

Alaa ani Kapila muni cheppamannaru.
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somethings are done better fast......




I think I know what you are talking about.
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Anand_n:

Not if we are observing ourselves




how can we observe ourselves?...that means observer and observed is different
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Chantodu:

Beyond the senses is the mind.. beyond the mind is the intellect.. higher than intellect is the Soul





Annai nenu neeku fan ni ivalti nunchi.......sodhi lekunda clear ga...original ga cheppav
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Parthasaradhi:

Which scriptures? But in Gita, Lord Krishna says death is to the body only but not to the soul.




I agree - so first define "we" Are you associating that to the physical existence ? If yes - we die at death. If you are associating that to the soul - there is no death - so where is the contradiction ?
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Anand_n:

Parthasaradhi:

That means dead dont have souls? We loose our souls with this life and we get brand new soul for the next?



That is what scriptures say and I think that is right




Which scriptures? But in Gita, Lord Krishna says death is to the body only but not to the soul.

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Vjavasi:

but our material tendecies also have their base in those spiritual tendencies




I personally do not believe so - the only spiritual tendency I attribute to the soul is to feel at harmony or not - Love, happiness and other positive emotions leave the soul at peace, in harmony with the cosmic consciousness and the opposite emotions leave it disturbed, jarred and disoriented from the whole...

The rest is our interpretation of what we think will maximise chances of this harmony with the whole :-)
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Getafix:

if we dont measure our growth then we will not have to feel the need to grow kada..




Hit the nail on the head :-)Think that thru ..who do you think needs that growth - the soul or the society ?

Parthasaradhi:

is this what your understanding from hindu scriptures? or from something else?




Mostly experiential and self-inquiry, a little from talking /listening to people, a little from scriptures I reasearched to validate what I felt :-)These are my perceptions and what I understood :-)


Parthasaradhi:

That means dead dont have souls? We loose our souls with this life and we get brand new soul for the next?




That is what scriptures say and I think that is right :-) Protective sheaths /physical bodies are recyclable packaging for the core product :-)
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Anand_n:

I can tell you the way I see it - theoretically,scripturally validate with Chanti annayya




Is chanti annayya an expert in this stuff? Then calling Chantodu. naa id e chantodu ani pettukunna. naaku ivi anni ela telisi edustayi ani anavaddu. I need your help to understand what Anand is saying. That is so confusing.
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but our material tendecies also have their base in those spiritual tendencies
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Vjavasi:

when we are observing we are seeing something different from us that itself is judgement to me..




Not if we are observing ourselves :-)


Getafix:

Soul ki love ki link enti?




Love , happiness these are pure emotions that we feel - soul ki link undi anukuntunna... where intellect/mind comes in is in boxing these into categories - e.g. parental love, romantic love, devotional love etc..and defining socially appropriate ways of expressing these emotions and lo and behold we have morals - a need for civilised society's controlled procreation:-)
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Anand_n:

Soul is the divine spark of life- the innermost core of existence :-) Intellect, mind, senses, physical attributes of breath, body are all external protective layers for that sensitive core - my take of their purpose being to to protect and sustain that core thru this life




is this what your understanding from hindu scriptures? or from something else?
That means dead dont have souls? We loose our souls with this life and we get brand new soul for the next?
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Anand_n:

Define tendencies




scriptures say pure soul is sat chit ananada....these desciptions indicate soul has tendendencies, may be different from our material tendencies
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Anand_n:

No - the day we do not see the need to measure our growth



confuse avuthunna emi anukovaddu.. if we dont measure our growth then we will not have to feel the need to grow kada..
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>>>>>
you barely got started brother.. appude finished ante ela..hehehe..
>>>>>>>>>>>

somethings are done better fast......
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Anand_n:

.judgement is putting that feeling in the boxes of right / wrong / conditionally right or wrong





I am talking about judgement in broader sense not right and wrong..when we are observing we are seeing something different from us that itself is judgement to me..and i think that judgement has its base in soul..
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inka nenu jump.....way more than my daily quotaa.....meeru elaa decide chesinaa ok now....



you barely got started brother.. appude finished ante ela..hehehe..
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Getafix:

the day we stop growing intellectually is the day we reach our spiritual goal annatta




No - the day we do not see the need to measure our growth :-)
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Pplsuck:

just another thought that morals and ethics are not hard coded into nature......




Totally agree with you there but like you said we like our high-horses :-)
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Anand_n:

the day you are able to observe without judging, your self and others, you will find the end of your spiritual pursuit



so that means, the day we stop growing intellectually is the day we reach our spiritual goal annatta
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inka nenu jump.....way more than my daily quotaa.....meeru elaa decide chesinaa ok now....
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>>>>>
higher than intellect is the Soul
>>>>>>>>>

ilaanti highest high of the high idelas ni lowest lower low levels tho bandinchatam em baaga ledu.......
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Vjavasi:

observation ki judging ki pedda difference ledu anukuntunna...




Zameen aasman ka farak :-) Observation is feeling/perception...judgement is putting that feeling in the boxes of right / wrong / conditionally right or wrong :-)


Vjavasi:

soul if at all it exists(i believe it exists) should have some inclinations and tendencies




Why ? Because our intellect cannot comprehend an existence without these attributes ?

Vjavasi:

my personal feeling is our tendencies does't end with mind,intellect or even EGO, they have their base in our soul..




Define tendencies :-) I think I understand where you are going with the question but want to be clear :-)


Parthasaradhi:

Soul ki intellect ki relation cheptaraa




I can tell you the way I see it - theoretically,scripturally validate with Chanti annayya :-)

Soul is the divine spark of life- the innermost core of existence :-) Intellect, mind, senses, physical attributes of breath, body are all external protective layers for that sensitive core - my take of their purpose being to to protect and sustain that core thru this life :-)


Mrhyderabad:

Problem is we are way too smart...




:-)
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>>>>>>
Enduku anta aavesam
>>>>>>>>>>>>>

satirical gaane cheppevaanni........edo paapam animals avi incest chesukuntuntey vaatini kooda vadalakundaa, enti ee moral gola in the disguise of soul??? meeru meeru humans kottukondi soul and stuff.....please don't make more animals social ani naa aavedana, aakrosam, aakrandana and blah blah blah.............we have too many of them already....and enough of the stench....

anyways, no aavesam.....I think I fought enough today for all my animal firends......just another thought that morals and ethics are not hard coded into nature......
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Do you have Soul ? Did you have Control on it over Sex & Sex related thoughts .....If so Which of your religion written a law about how to deal with it ??
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Do you have Soul ? Did you have Control on it over Sex & Sex related thoughts .....If so Which of your religion written a law about how to deal with it ??

Muslims and Christians ruling the World + Moon


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Chantodu:

Beyond the senses is the mind.. beyond the mind is the intellect.. higher than intellect is the Soul






annai satires aina .. spirituality aina .. santodni kottetodu ledu .. I mean it !

Mrhyderabad:

Problem is we are way too smart... so we can't stop judging people/things




My take on this, that is because, there are right/wrong ways of doing everything !
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Anand_n:

observe without judging




observation ki judging ki pedda difference ledu anukuntunna... soul if at all it exists(i believe it exists) should have some inclinations and tendencies
otherwise its existence is meaning less...my personal feeling is our tendencies does't end with mind,intellect or even EGO, they have their base in our soul..
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Beyond the senses is the mind.. beyond the mind is the intellect.. higher than intellect is the Soul
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Anand_n:

the day you are able to observe without judging, your self and others


Problem is we are way too smart... so we can't stop judging people/things
If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you
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Enduku anta aavesam :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Anand_n:


soul does not judge anything:-) Intellect and reason does




Soul ki intellect ki relation cheptaraa
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Vjavasi:

soul lo emi lekapothe...Intellect, reason purpose emiti..Intellect reason should atleast indicate souls inclinations or nature




Soul lo emi ledu analedu kada - soul does not judge annanu :-)

Write this down somewhere - the day you are able to observe without judging, your self and others, you will find the end of your spiritual pursuit :-)

Intellect/reason veetiki functions vere unnayi :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Elcaminocapastrino:

I know horses and bullocks have soles....not sure about other animals



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Humans are such great people...ain't we?.......don't really like the truth that we are products of thousands of years of incest if not many more.......I wish I can be part of this vanity....and it is still so prevalent in so many communities......menarikam and stuff.......and people love talking from pedestals all the time.....

yedo avasaraniki konni rules pettaaru......antha easy gaa teesukuntey mana goppadanam taggipotundi....prathi human ideal ki bangaaru pootha pooyaalsindey.....asaley gold rate perigindi...please be considerate....

yes yes yes...incest nasinchaali....aa incest valley animals lo soul lekundaa potondi....whatever the fucxk "soul" exactly means?
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tammul, ee soul ekkada vuntadi?
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Anand_n:

No - soul does not judge anything Intellect and reason does




soul lo emi lekapothe...Intellect, reason purpose emiti..Intellect reason should atleast indicate souls inclinations or nature
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Soul ki love ki link enti? asalu link undha or world marketing minds link create chesara?

one thing i observed - Soul in a business perspective is a cash cow
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My day is set...kikiki




Good - atleast I made someone's day :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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"No - soul does not judge anything Intellect and reason does "


chaalu ee thread ni 10 hrs nunchi observe chesthunna...I knew it was coming....My day is set...kikiki
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Once the soul started judging what is right and what is wrong, human beings started adopting whats good and framed a society that is generally acceptable to many. the origin for society or civilization is soul




No - soul does not judge anything:-) Intellect and reason does :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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I know horses and bullocks have soles....not sure about other animals
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yes
Success is measured in terms of you being happy and making ur people happy.
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Vjavasi:

virus and other micro organisms ki kooda soul vuntunda




samasta praana-koti ki untundi .. virus ki praanam unte - answer is untundi ..
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Humpty_dumpty:

total confusion


or should I say " A confused Soul" :-)
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in my view, humans developed the concept of soul which has given birth to concept of ethics, morals, society , religion etc...when this mental aspect of soul can be applied to us, why not to other living organisms. but now u see that every animal,plant has a soul, now what would you eat? you will have to sell your soul(an imaginary thing) to the devil( another imaginary thing) to eat them!!! total confusion!!!
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virus and other micro organisms ki kooda soul vuntunda
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If yes then why don't they distinguish between sister and mother when they have sex ? They have sex with anyone they like to. Their soul doesn't judge by relations and relationships.




Lack of soul is not a reason for this behavior. This behavior in humans is imposed by society and self consciousness. We have seen some news items where similar things happened in human race and such people are severely treated by society..that lacks in animals..

thye do have soul
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only diff between animal and man is lack of inteligence and they do have souls
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Basky_indya:

mankind is also prone to this.




but we have a concept of heaven and hell. But animals don't have hell or heaven ?


Basky_indya:

man is a social animal.




society came from soul. Once the soul started judging what is right and what is wrong, human beings started adopting whats good and framed a society that is generally acceptable to many. the origin for society or civilization is soul.
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mankind is also prone to this.

man is a social animal.
incest is not so uncommon.
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Can some answer if animals have souls just like human beings does ? If yes then why don't they distinguish between sister and mother when they have sex ? They have sex with anyone they like to. Their soul doesn't judge by relations and relationships.

According to me they don't have a soul. So animals don't have the concept of hell or heaven.

Do animals have a god ? Do animals pray ? If so who is their god ? Is their god same as our god ? Is their god similar to our gods?

Hindus pray animals while other faiths don't pray animals ? So whom do these animals pray ?
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