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If we look at the various animal/bird vahanams of the Gods.. if we look at the stories like Sri Kala Hasti.. Yes they as good as Man spiritually..

On a different note.. it could well be that animals and birds are the original species that belong to Earth.. Man was implanted from outside.. even today animals and birds live naturally on earth.. while Man lives artificially by exploiting the surroundings.. Man just does not belong to earth naturally...
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IMO..soul is just a term to say one self...it can be anything from Ameeba to Obaama..
humans imagination is endless and thinking range is very high when compared to even most intelligent animals like pig,elephant, monkey etc..

Due to that nature..humans continue to explore things and understand what is being existed for zillion years or more or less...
humans who experiment and understand things with some logic and findings that makes sense to many other poeple are called as scientists..
humans who think or imagine or make/frame some set of rules(mostly good) to ease some restlessness of humans or conclude things by saying it all god.. are called religious people..ee god soul rebirth etc etc concepts humans ke..animals antha opika ledu..aa range kaadu..

Animals concept okkate...thinnaamaa...padukunaama..2 poyyaamaa..reproduce chesaama..chachaamaa..anthe...10000 yrs back avi alaane unnaayi..ippudu alaanae unnayi..
humans 10000 yrs back animals laaga unnaayi..ippudu internet lo DB forums lo discuss chekutunnaay..

Animals ki god..pray cheyytam..soul concept yemi ledhu..
ee thokkalo theory lu anni humans ke...religion helps human lead a peaceful..controlled..organized life..like traffic rules on road..without that its all chaos like jungle..

Chandamaama raave ani thalli biddalni good cause kosam yela mosam chesi pani kaanistundho..ee religion..soul etc concepts kooda humans ki help kosame peddollu frame chesaarr..again IMO

nothing is proved..how all this created in the first place is still unknown..if anyone wants to call it as god..I am ok
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To all those who contributed for this discussion. I thank you but I could not participate due to bad internet connection. After reading all the posts, my mind got struck as to where is this discussion leading... can anyone answer my questions:

1. Do animals pray ? who is their god ? Is their god and our god one and same ?
2. Do animals have soul ? Human beings are born from animals, so when human beings have soul why cant animals have it ?
3. If animals have soul then will that soul transfer from one birth to another after its death ? When a human beings soul be transferred and transformed to animals after death depending on their karma will the same logic apply to animals also ?
4. What is the duty of soul ? If intellect judges whats right or wrong then what is meant by "ATHMA VIMARSA" in english reality check (nothing but soul check)

According to me there is nothing called soul. Soul is the mirror image of your brain. What soul says is already there in your brain its just that man thinks that its his soul search. Soul is that impure, invisible,immaterial thing which we can never feel. there is no judgment done by soul. Spirituality is purification of brain and not soul.

Then comes the critical question what is "SOUL" these are various meanings in the dictionary
1.The animating and vital principle in humans, credited with the faculties of thought, action, and emotion and often conceived as an immaterial entity.
2. The spiritual nature of humans, regarded as immortal, separable from the body at death, and susceptible to happiness or misery in a future state.
3. The disembodied spirit of a dead human.
4. A human: "the homes of some nine hundred souls" (Garrison Keillor).
6. A person considered as the perfect embodiment of an intangible quality; a personification: I am the very soul of discretion.
9. A strong, deeply felt emotion conveyed by a speaker, a performer, or an artist.


Anan,Der, Ishan, Cocanada etc etc can you give answer to these please
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Soul is self goal by humans anukuntunnaa.
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Powerfull:

Soul is overrated




Animal soul or human soul ?
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Soul is overrated
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NTR, tamil nadu lo MGR, kushbu, mamatha kulakarni ki gudi kattaru ani eppudo chadiva. its my belief ani andariki gullu kadatharemo ani naa tension...




sorry. i take back my post. building a temple means organizing it. i nthink he is right. we should not organise it.
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Why ? Is this not the root of all religious wars - the collective ego of "my belief is better than yours" ?

Why do you need to tell people what to believe ? Give them the facts and hypotheses and let them decide what to believe

What's the harm you see with that ?



NTR, tamil nadu lo MGR, kushbu, mamatha kulakarni ki gudi kattaru ani eppudo chadiva. its my belief ani andariki gullu kadatharemo ani naa tension...
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Telugubabu:

I think we should organise belief.




Why ? Is this not the root of all religious wars - the collective ego of "my belief is better than yours" ?

Why do you need to tell people what to believe ? Give them the facts and hypotheses and let them decide what to believe :-)

What's the harm you see with that ?
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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A belief is purely an individual matter, and you cannot and must not organise it. If you do, it becomes dead, crystallised; it becomes a creed, a sect, a religion, to be imposed on others. - JK

I disagree with JK. I think we should organise belief.
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Nenu Jump Jilani from this thread...too long...taking forever to load.
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Cinejeevi:

thx. naa thx message vere edo thread lo cheppa. thx again




welcome annai .. oops .. ee roju DB pedda follow avvaledu annai .. so ekkado miss ayyunta !
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kamal
thx. naa thx message vere edo thread lo cheppa. thx again
endarO mahaanubhaavulu.. andarikee vandanaalu!!!
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Cinejeevi:

orinee ee thread inka saagadeestunnaraa?

intaki emi telcharu?




saagadeeyadanike adigaaru kada meeru kooda? :D

btw .. ninna ratri mee ammayi videos choosa annai .. baaga padindi tanu .. telugu kooda chala baga matladutondi .. without any accent .. nenu choosina vaallalo mee ammayi de best telugu .. mee influence ee anukuntunna :D
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orinee ee thread inka saagadeestunnaraa?

intaki emi telcharu?
endarO mahaanubhaavulu.. andarikee vandanaalu!!!
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Kamal:

edo comedy cheddam ani vesa ..




Anukunna - but nijamga teliyakapote feel avutaru emo ani answering :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Kamal:

vaddulendi .. vaallu papam .. serious ga discuss chesukuntunnaru .. manam madhya lo ee icons enduku .. nenu kaasepu comedy cheddam ani DB ki vacha .. vere thread choosukundaam randi ..




:-) its good to have comedy so we do not take ourselves too seriously :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Anand_n:



UG Krishnamurthi and Jiddu Krishnamurthi




apologies .. naaku telusandi .. edo comedy cheddam ani vesa ..
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Ishan:

I think both statements 'there is no truth' and 'it is pathless' are incorrect.




:-) I think they saw something I did not - hence their perspective is different from mine and each other's :-)

Truth is pathless makes complete sense to me from an Advaitic point of view as I explained earlier :-)

UG takes it a little further and says there is no truth- If I look at truth as an entity external to me - does such a separate, non-relative entity exist ? Who knows? What I see is totally my perception - my truth may be different from yours - so what is the Absolute Truth ?



Kamal:

veelleddaru evaru andi .. UKG students aa?




UG Krishnamurthi and Jiddu Krishnamurthi :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
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vaddulendi .. vaallu papam .. serious ga discuss chesukuntunnaru .. manam madhya lo ee icons enduku .. nenu kaasepu comedy cheddam ani DB ki vacha .. vere thread choosukundaam randi ..
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Anand_n:

Philosophies mix chesi confuse avutunnaru :-) Edo oka thread follow avute plausible gane untundi :-)


I wasn't confused. You agreed to one of Coke's posts that says there is no truth. I didn't care whether it was UG or JK. I think both statements 'there is no truth' and 'it is pathless' are incorrect.
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Anand_n:

JK said there is Truth but it is pathless
UG said there is no Truth




veelleddaru evaru andi .. UKG students aa? :D
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Ishan:

Ok, but they still were after some truth right? then how can the statement there is no truth be correct?




Philosophies mix chesi confuse avutunnaru :-) Edo oka thread follow avute plausible gane untundi :-)

JK said there is Truth but it is pathless
UG said there is no Truth
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Ishan:

COPPER BOLLS TO YOU!




thx .. am I allowed to sell them, quantity enta? shipment number cheppandi? tracking number unda? :D

copper pure ga undalamma :D

(malliswari lo sunil - cool drink challa ga undalamma type lo chaduvukondi )
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Kamal:

aapandehe .. mathu mandu teesukuni padukunte enti .. natural nidra aithe enti .. teda ani kottukuntarenti .. edaina mundu aavalintha lu common ee ga .. ala common point edo choosukuni shake hands ichukuni photo teesukuni frame kattinchukondi .. inka ekkuva argue chesukoddu .. ikkade nidra pothaaru .. btw .. ye mattress baguntundi .. sleepwell aa .. kozylon aa?


COPPER BOLLS TO YOU!
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Cocanada:



Nenu aadukodanike eltunna





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Nenu aadukodanike eltunna
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Kamal:

nee birthday roju blood donate cheddam anukuntunnam state antha .. mee permission isthe .. :D





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Cocanada:




enti .. appude na? mari mohamaata padutunnav .. daa .. kasepu aadukundaam (chinnappudu friends ni ilage pilichi home works chesukonivvakunda chesevaadini .. valla mothers nannu dobbevaaru .. maa vadni chaduvukonivvamma ani .. :D )

aadukundam da .. poddunnunchi saana pani chesesa ee roju .. da
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Cocanada:

schaumburg priya lo vankaya pakodi kura tinu...all set avutaavu




tindaam raa .. tintu saradaga nee fans association (nenu, ishan, der) activities gurinchi discuss chesukundam; nee birthday roju blood donate cheddam anukuntunnam state antha .. mee permission isthe .. :D
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Ee roju ki selavu teeskuni...repu kaluddam


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Cocanada:




aa look enti .. kummaddu ante vadilestana antava? leka ninnu kummadaniki neelo emundi ra antava? :D
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Kamal:

exactly he said this .. and then sent you down on the purpose :D




enti nee allari :D

schaumburg priya lo vankaya pakodi kura tinu...all set avutaavu
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Kamal:

pplsuck annai ni imitate cheyyali ani choosa .. teda ga feel aithe nannu kummaddu :D



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Cocanada:

then god said "let there be pain"




exactly he said this .. and then sent you down on the purpose :D

you HDD ! (Human on Divine Duty)
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Ishan:




Cocanada:




aapandehe .. mathu mandu teesukuni padukunte enti .. natural nidra aithe enti .. teda ani kottukuntarenti .. edaina mundu aavalintha lu common ee ga .. ala common point edo choosukuni shake hands ichukuni photo teesukuni frame kattinchukondi .. inka ekkuva argue chesukoddu .. ikkade nidra pothaaru .. btw .. ye mattress baguntundi .. sleepwell aa .. kozylon aa? :D

pplsuck annai ni imitate cheyyali ani choosa .. teda ga feel aithe nannu kummaddu :D
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Ishan:

Dead . correcte, asalu nuvvu cheppina state ki death ki kooda difference emi ledu kada




Ippude coke bhagavatam raasanu. idigo abstract

perfect still state lo undi, bore kotti, devudu manandarini create chesadu

after creating he said..lets all enjoy and be happy forever

then after some time we said

"god all fun is not so exciting. we want a sense of adventure."

then god said "let there be pain"

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Cocanada:

adey state lo undi poyi bayataku rakapote?


Dead . correcte, asalu nuvvu cheppina state ki death ki kooda difference emi ledu kada....
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adey state lo undi poyi bayataku rakapote?

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Cocanada:

achieved by consciously and the other can not


How you achieved annadi kaadu annayya...nidra poyyamaa ledaa...(pokiri style la chaduko)...nidra lo (dreamless nidra)unna state ki and the state you mentioned ki difference enti?
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In sleep, we can bend time.

How is the experience in dream different from experience in so called real world.
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Ishan:

deep sleep




susupti :-)

i think the difference is one can be achieved by consciously and the other can not
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Dead End


ok. so whats the difference between this state and deep sleep? Even in sleep you feel timelessness and the nothingness and thoughtlessness...
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Ishan:

yes there may be. Next?




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soul is sole...sole is soul..la la laaa.la laa

soul my soul....my sole
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Cocanada:


If we reach to a still state, like thoughtlessness, weightlessness, is there anything called timelessness?


yes there may be. Next?
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Ishan:

Ok I agree this point. Next step enti?




we agree that to experience time, we need memory
memory is the cloud which is not letting us see things as is

If we reach to a still state, like thoughtlessness, weightlessness, is there anything called timelessness?

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Cocanada:

the new place will seem different to me. we dont see it in the same way. because your state is different from mine

So, your reaction will be different from mine.

(Reaction is inevitable)


Ok I agree this point. Next step enti?


anand:

I know people who have suddenly seen the light one day without trying at all - and people who have spent all their lives treading prescribed paths without seeing it


Ok, but they still were after some truth right? then how can the statement there is no truth be correct?
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Der said:
Our philosophy preaches ways to reach there whereas JK uses it to support its existence!!!! kiki ardham ayyindha


JK also says we should meditate

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Ishan:

and its not a reflection of past memory...


the new place will seem different to me. we dont see it in the same way. because your state is different from mine

So, your reaction will be different from mine.

(Reaction is inevitable)
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