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     Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 170 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.199.90 Rating: N/A |
I Agree..caste created social leadership.... whenever political leadership failed or defeated by enemiesnew leadership came from the ranks of social leadership..thats how our civilization survived even after continuous and barbari assaults for a long period | ||
| Kamal Junior Artist Username: Kamal Post Number: 918 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 98.212.183.18 Rating: N/A |
anduke maa GuluG caste is mother ani seppio  naruDi bratuku naTana eeshwaruDi talapu ghaTana aarEnTi naTTa naDuma neekEndukinta tapana | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 2113 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 118.94.229.143 Rating: N/A |
I think the inspiration for this is the six million Jewish holocaust.. original hit.. idi fut.. Anyway.. its more like 2500 year bravery against all odds.. survival of the fittest.. right from Buddhism.. Jainism.. Xianity.. Islam.. Sikhism.. Colonialism.. Thanks to Caste.. Hinduism weathered and survived all sorts of onslaughts.. the day Caste dies.. Hinduism dies... | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 3647 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
Brother -
Mama.. nuvvu ee madhya kalam lo indian media ni chusi evo conclude chesukuntunnav.. DD is classic example nee theory wrong anataniki. Oka zamana lo Bharath Ek khoj serial ochedi - serial title song tho saha hindu culture and history gurinche. Between the serial was based on book by Pandit Nehru.. hehe. Alntivi enno prgrams ochevi.. prasthutham unna commerical media ni drushtilo petkuni divisive ga alochisthe kashtam - Indian private media worst in the world. | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 12387 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
Some "liberals" are afraid to speak up because they might hurt some sections of the society Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5764 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
And monna evaro muslim propose chesadu Mohammad is Kalki ani...taravata RSS emo Ram, Krishna Quran lo cheppina prophets anukondi annaru  It is all one, big happy family Kaani Kurukshetra yudham ki ceasefire eppudu anedi kochen aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 3644 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
christians and Muslims ni unite cheyataniki - Abraham is common ancestor of both of you ante ee godavalu kuda unadavugaa ..appudu lokam vasudaika kutumbham. | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 148 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
me too.. | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 3643 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
Sure.. as long as the program has viewership,sponsorship and ratings. infact not for profit media lo chalane chusanu alanti programs.. | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 147 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
I am not talking about indic relgions with their roots in india, religions with roots outside geographical india sikhs also used to refer themselves as hindus before british | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 146 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
I think there are similarities to visista adavitam, it means God is one and simultaneously different form the seeker | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 12383 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
You are right. But what can aptly describe our ancient culture? "Vedic" ? Old India means India+Pakistan+Afghanistan+ some more countries I guess In my opinion, even Pakistan should be proud of its vedic past. They should be more proud because they are still living in Indus valley If you think like me, the term is hindu is unifying two countries. Not dividing people within India Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1925 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
i feel very comfortable with this doctrine. I have always searched for something that would explain alot of my questions, and I found most of the answers with this school of thought. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 12382 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
Can you please explain further? Is it like vishishta adviatam Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5762 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Agree - but is not a part of that based on the fact that we identify our religion as hindu ?
A sikh will call himself an Indian, he will not call himself a Hindu. Same with a Buddhist, jain, christian, parsi or muslim I think you understand what I am saying Ledu it has to be my way or highway ante - it will likely be the highway .
This is what others called us ani monna meere cheppinattu unnaru So why so attached to a Persian name given by outsiders Anyway you guys fight it out A little compromse goes a long way in these things anedi na opinionaa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 12380 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
Yes. That is why he is respected by everyone. Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 145 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
i like 'achintya bheda abheda' of chaitanya it's between dvaita and advaita. | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 144 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
i Agree, unless they are like abdul kalam | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 12377 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
Hindu - Sanskrit - Vedas - Indian these words are inseparable Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 2315 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 198.135.110.2 Rating: N/A |
Yes and No....I used to be a staunch beleiver of Dvaitha but then later influences of Advaith and Vishishtha Dwaitha made me question lot of things around me....You can call me a Advaitha practitioner with an erroneous swivel pattern towards Dvaitha too | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1922 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
oh sorry, i am not sure how i missed that. you guys carry on. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 12373 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
I quoted Getafix. Didnt I? Question is pointed at people who are afraid of even exploring the option that indians were ahead of other cultures Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1921 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
i am just wondering who are these questions pointed at? the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 12371 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
Yes. I will accept it. . Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 12370 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
What about literature from vedic society? If you run a TV, would you agree to broadcast such a program which praises our ancient culture? or will you discard it saying "it is in sanskrit. hence religious " Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1920 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
so if i say you are wrong would you accept it. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 3639 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
i would say - tolerant to other's views.. for a true liberal it doesnt matter if it is called hindu literarure or indian literature..also secular and liberal not necessarily go hand in hand.. America ne teesuko - they aint secular but they are tolerant. | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 12367 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: |
I dont think many muslims will be happy when they see 'Indians invented zero and decimal number system' Please correct me if I am wrong . Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 142 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.199.90 Rating: N/A |
It is our indetity wether we call ourselves hindu or sanatana dharma or whatever it may be. So if we use any other word (say Indian) will the divisons cease to exist in the minds of other religions. | ||
| Ipc302 Side Hero Username: Ipc302 Post Number: 3572 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 129.62.81.129 Rating: N/A |
vedic ani word use sesevaru emo... of course ancient islamic,jewish, christian ani vaadi nappudu ancient hindu is not a taboo word bottomline enti ante hindu, vedic, indian emi unna sare they will be subject to either ridicule or discarded....somehow we were never able to convince the present society unlike christian, islamic or jewish cultures which emphasize that their philosophical or religious rules framed are unquestionable | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 12362 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
Who ever came with the idea of partition will be proud of himself if he/she reads this post Mission accomplished for him/herTry try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 12361 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
To me, it means people who do not hate anyone, respect everyone Pseudo-liberalism is treating minorities like guests. We should never hurt their feelings by saying "We are proud of our culture" Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 12360 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
Thats what we were called back then. Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Basky_indya Hero Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 17317 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 208.11.223.20 Rating: N/A |
Anand garu, HINDU word is a urdu/persian word anukunta. Gigantic Techno fuctional Mega Blockbuster Magnum Opus BOMMA | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5761 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
And you think it does not signify division in the minds of other religions in the country ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 137 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.199.90 Rating: |
Unfortunately 'Hindu' word signifies division in hindu liberal minds only, but that should not be the reason to abandon the word. we have abandoned so many things in the fear of division. the trend won't stop until we positively affirm ourselves | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5759 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Since the day partition happened on hindu-muslim lines the words have been associated with division ..its a fact of life - like it or not. If you want to unite you cannot do it using a word that signifies division The sooner people accept it and work with an acceptable alternative the more chance of success they will have aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Kamal Junior Artist Username: Kamal Post Number: 834 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.139 Rating: N/A |
they are somewhat related anukunta kada .. Indian/Hindu context lo .. in any case .. whats wrong with the name "Hindu" .. antha chedu aipoyinda adi janalaki? Arthamanartham Bhavaya Nithyam - Naasthi Thatha Sukalesa Sathyam, Puthraadhapi Dhana Bhaajam Bheethi - Sarvathraisha Vihithaareethi. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5758 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Who's talking about marketing religion/philosophy - we were discussing ancient sciences and literature And by the way, Hindu-rose, Indian-cactus - analogy nachaledu  aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 740 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234 Rating: |
So is mine. All generalizations have exceptions, including this one | ||
| Kamal Junior Artist Username: Kamal Post Number: 833 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.139 Rating: N/A |
I believe, you do not have to hide the truth to attract somebody or market religion/philosophy like a commodity .. because to me, truth in whatever form wins hands down .. btw ... rose, jasmine example ni baaga use chesukunnaru i just probably not have used jasmine and used cactus my brain works slow !Arthamanartham Bhavaya Nithyam - Naasthi Thatha Sukalesa Sathyam, Puthraadhapi Dhana Bhaajam Bheethi - Sarvathraisha Vihithaareethi. | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 3630 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
alright didnot read full thread but wanted to ask you a question.. What does "Liberal" mean to you.. I often find the term liberal is skewed in interpretation in this db. I just want to know what does liberal means in this DB. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5757 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
My opinion is always definite to me till I change it aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 739 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234 Rating: N/A |
That is what exactly I said and you said it in your way. I called it indirect because the god you worship is not coming to you and give salvation. By concentrating on the diety, you are disconnecting your association with ego and find the oneness. We both are in the same page. All generalizations have exceptions, including this one | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5756 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
The difference is meeru rose ante mullu untayi ani janalu deggiraki kuda raru Jasmine ante kaneesam vaasana choosi - idi baagundi ani ardham chesukunnaka rose ani telisina - no amount of thorns will keep them away cos they see the value aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 738 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.107.38 Rating: N/A |
Oh really? if you write a sentence that is your opinion/perspective and if others write it, it is a definite statement? Answer to your question is in the quote. Ok Kamal, earth always changes. Its always changed and will continue to do. Greenland was once green with pastures, now its covered with ice. Earth has its own atmospheric/weather cycle. Warming and cooling is part of its cycle. Ice age was such a change. How did man contribute to that change? If temperatures are raising and rivers are drying, humans have very little to do with it. Yes, the local weathers in the city changes momentarily because of pollution, but not on global scale. Google for the opinions of Harvard Astrophysicist Dr.Sallie Baliunas and Dr. John Christy, professor of Atmospheric Science at the University of Alabama at Huntsville on this subject. Twenty-five billion dollars in government funding has been spent since 1990 to research global warming. If scientists and researchers were coming out releasing reports that global warming has little to do with man, and most to do with just how the planet works, there wouldn't be as much money to study it. All generalizations have exceptions, including this one | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 135 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.199.90 Rating: N/A |
we should try both ways | ||
| Kamal Junior Artist Username: Kamal Post Number: 827 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.139 Rating: N/A |
A rose is a rose by any name, but why call rose a jasmine to appease some one is my question? Priority is to get it 'all' right. Arthamanartham Bhavaya Nithyam - Naasthi Thatha Sukalesa Sathyam, Puthraadhapi Dhana Bhaajam Bheethi - Sarvathraisha Vihithaareethi. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5755 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
LOL - you can call it Hindu with its religious connotation , keep your hindu pride and not have penetratration in the public or you can call it Indian , get the knowledge across to the people and help them understand the greatness of the literature without the initial resistance ... To me getting the knowledge transferred is more important than keeping my religious pride Depends on your priorities, I guessaa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 134 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.199.90 Rating: N/A |
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| Kamal Junior Artist Username: Kamal Post Number: 822 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.139 Rating: N/A |
Why should you change its name when your motives are correct? What is your problem calling it Hindu .. because it is a Hindu land - beyond the river Sindhu! Arthamanartham Bhavaya Nithyam - Naasthi Thatha Sukalesa Sathyam, Puthraadhapi Dhana Bhaajam Bheethi - Sarvathraisha Vihithaareethi. | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 132 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.199.90 Rating: N/A |
navaraku ayte Bakhthi is both ends and means of self realization. The Original self(real ego) longs for association, no matter how much we self negate that longing won't go and directing that longing towards the supreme is the only way we can quench that thirst for association | ||
| Kamal Junior Artist Username: Kamal Post Number: 821 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.139 Rating: N/A |
Arthamanartham Bhavaya Nithyam - Naasthi Thatha Sukalesa Sathyam, Puthraadhapi Dhana Bhaajam Bheethi - Sarvathraisha Vihithaareethi. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5754 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
LOL - so is there a need to call it ancient Hindu literature - why can't you call it Ancient Indian literature if the motive is to disseminate knowledge ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5753 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
I have a slightly different perspective.. I think the next few generations across the world are going to be rootless and mobile in general - they are going to be global citizens with access to unimaginably diverse sources of information from many cultures ... Trying to get them rooted is going to be pointless - because as you rightly said this will be the floating populations taking what they like from various cultures and discarding what they don't. So the effort should be to make all scriptures available in a format conducive to comparative discussion and evaluation is critical...and I think that is going to happen soon with the media and internet explosion Maybe that amalgamation of best practises from many religions and cultures will be the one world religion Ashton keeps threatening us with aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 12358 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: |
The problem is if you see an advertisement with title 'Ancient hindu math/sceince' you will think its not secular. Your liberal mind will immediately discard it. Unless we succeed in making the term 'Hindu' relate to Indians and not confine it to people going to temples, mainstream media will not publicize such things Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Kamal Junior Artist Username: Kamal Post Number: 820 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.139 Rating: N/A |
When astrology was introduced as a course/degree in universities in BJP era .. all the left wingers who were ruling the roost till then, cried foul that it was indoctrination of superstitions into society and right wing hindu ideology into education .. sadly, when the UPA govt took oath .. it was one of the first reverses they did .. I do not know why they have that much aversion to such kind of traditions ! Btw .. Manmohan Singh took oath as per a "muhurtam" decided by pandits ! LOL .. an example of hypocrisy !
To me, not .. You can already see the effects of global warming .. glaciers melting down, sea levels rising .. and one more thing .. by 2050 .. if this trend continues .. Yamuna will go dry and Ganga will not be even half of what it is today ! so for me, Global warming is a reality ! Arthamanartham Bhavaya Nithyam - Naasthi Thatha Sukalesa Sathyam, Puthraadhapi Dhana Bhaajam Bheethi - Sarvathraisha Vihithaareethi. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5752 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Recipe for confusion - to what extent is skepticism good ? Chala definite statements istunnaru aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5750 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Strongly disagree
Problem is dissemination to the common man in a consumable format Meeku naku interest undi , avakasam undi, we took the trouble to find out anukondi where does the common populace have the time or the inclination... Inka timekeeping antara -the ancients got it right whether ours or the very advanced Mayan calendar aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 737 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234 Rating: N/A |
Skepticism to an extent is good. One must always look at the other side of the coin in any pursuit. But, If you become too skeptical, you will end up in a dark planet, believing in absurd philosophies with perennial confusion. All generalizations have exceptions, including this one | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 12357 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
Blind submission will get rid of doubt (which is the root for inquiry and also falling off the track) If you donot have doubt, life is easier and you can achieve more Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 736 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234 Rating: N/A |
Global warming is a myth. That is the propaganda of this Al gore and his affiliates. Earth is lot more self-sustaining than we think. All generalizations have exceptions, including this one | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 130 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
I agree, last konni years nunchi alternative media perigi society different opinions ki expose avutundhi. I feel rootless macalayites are fighting their last battle. another thing india is more exposed to west now and number of middle class have first hand direct contact with west because of their professional engagements. They know what is good in west and what is bad also. I think this in the long run will positively influence indian society | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 735 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234 Rating: N/A |
Good point. But Bhakthi in itself can not give self-realization. Indirectly, by devoting yourself to the personal god, you forget your natural individuality arising from ego and reach higher states. Thus you can reach that oneness you have always been aspiring for. The whole point of any yoga is self-abnegation. All generalizations have exceptions, including this one | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 12356 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
Anand garu There was a commission to publish ancient indian mathematics and technology in 18 volumes Delhi lo there is a institution headed by CK ....(i forgot his name) They proved that we are following the wrong clock. We are running one day backward because of wrong time keeping. btw...Jyotishya doesn't mean astrology. It means "time keeping" because of wrong clock, there are many miscalculations going on Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 12355 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
 Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5747 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Not many people know MaxMuellar was commissioned by Macaulay...And I cut and pasted a quote from MaxMuellar's letter as to the intent of his translation of the Vedas ... But all this is history ... What's the point of crying over spilt milk...The way I look at it , you can look back forever and keep blaming the invaders of the past or you can look forward and fix things ... Where is the conscious effort to reverse the trend and educate common people on the ancient scriptures for people to understand the value of their heritage ? I am hoping it will happen thru the media revolutions from the TV gurus...for e.g.Baba Ramdev has started a movement called Bharat Swabhimaan through yog ...these will be the gamechangers anukuntunnanu
This I totally agree with aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 126 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
Bhakthi ni simple philosophy ani andaru anukuntaru, In my opinion it can be simple for a layman and it can also appeal to the thinkers of high order. Infact it can be the mens to give final blow to the ego nenu patanjali yoga sastras chadivinappudu anni sutras describe chesina taruvata patanjali chivara sutramulo ..all the above can be achieved from devotion to ishwara ani antadu.. | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 12347 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
yeah ORGANIC is something implicit and goes with out saying  Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Kamal Junior Artist Username: Kamal Post Number: 815 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.139 Rating: N/A |
nuvvu .. sunday surch ki velli pather ki seppukuni .. after life - pardon policy ki apply sesukovali .. atleast .. river of blood lo sikshalu avoid seyyachu anukuntunna !
My intention was not to tell that we abused nature like what we are witnessing today. We had the largest ship-building industry, but still there were no metals used .. meaning .. nature was not disturbed .. same way .. automation lo .. we weaved clothes/silks using "maggalu" which are manufactured using wooden frames - no literal abuse of nature .. and then we conserved nature like no one did, literally worshipped the elements of nature like air, water, fire! Today .. it is greed .. the industrial revolution was short sighted .. it encouraged people to literally rob Mother Earth of whatever they needed without a semblance of what the future would be .. after nearly 150 years of such abuse, we today are facing one of the biggest challenges in the form of "global warming" threatening to change the face of Earth for ever ! Arthamanartham Bhavaya Nithyam - Naasthi Thatha Sukalesa Sathyam, Puthraadhapi Dhana Bhaajam Bheethi - Sarvathraisha Vihithaareethi. | ||
| Kamal Junior Artist Username: Kamal Post Number: 814 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.139 Rating: N/A |
Arthamanartham Bhavaya Nithyam - Naasthi Thatha Sukalesa Sathyam, Puthraadhapi Dhana Bhaajam Bheethi - Sarvathraisha Vihithaareethi. | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 123 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: |
The technology we are seeing today is born out of greed of money and it is not complete. It's roots are in market economy,consumerism and ego of man. It is being used for rape of nature The technology that ancient societies used might be based on completely different pardigm and laws of nature. my strong belief is they were wholesome and holistic in harmony with nature. i would call them spiritual technologies. I won't compare them with any of today's sciences. Only maths is somewhat original | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 12341 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
 ippudu nenu em cheyaali?Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Kamal Junior Artist Username: Kamal Post Number: 813 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.139 Rating: N/A |
annai .. ninnu baaga gamanistunna .. nuvvu monotheists ni baaga fingering sestunnav .. ee patike list lo mundu undi untaav .. eppudo ninnu crusade lo bali sestaru !!! tasmaath jagratta  Arthamanartham Bhavaya Nithyam - Naasthi Thatha Sukalesa Sathyam, Puthraadhapi Dhana Bhaajam Bheethi - Sarvathraisha Vihithaareethi. | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 12340 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
not even dualism. Their concepts are so shallow......one life....and then eternal after life. choose heaven or hell. if you choose hell, we will show you hell right away. Thank god our Bhakti movement was not sooooo shallow with an eternal afterlife offer. Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 733 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.44.243 Rating: N/A |
You said it right. Dualism is always simple to understand. What is easier than to say that whatever you do is god's will and pray to him if you want success in your life. And if you fail, blame god instead of your lack of efforts. All generalizations have exceptions, including this one | ||
| Kamal Junior Artist Username: Kamal Post Number: 812 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.139 Rating: N/A |
Unfortunately .. I learnt the facts/stats from a white man .. that is what happens when you have so much of misinformation fed into the system .. nenu Masters lo unnappudu .. my prof was an admirer of India .. he told me that automation/robotics happened first in two distant lands .. India and then Greece ! I was surprised ... he, a well read person, explained where they were used and all .. how India totally excelled in every field .. be it math/science/biology/social administration/navigation/trade/military/culture .. etc .. appati varaku .. I knew we had a great past .. but I did not know that it is India that made the world learn a way to live .. ! Arthamanartham Bhavaya Nithyam - Naasthi Thatha Sukalesa Sathyam, Puthraadhapi Dhana Bhaajam Bheethi - Sarvathraisha Vihithaareethi. | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 12337 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
Yes. I think no country exported as much as India did It was everyone's dream to come to India . Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Kamal Junior Artist Username: Kamal Post Number: 810 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.139 Rating: N/A |
no .. no .. I do not think .. I put my point well across !
This is what I wanted to say .. The kind of misinformation that kids are fed even to this day, it makes no difference if we have british govt or our own "elected Indian" govts ..tamper with the truth .. all you find a mention in the history books is .. how golden the period of Mauryas (though portraying them as expansionist and imperial in nature is done with fine subtle-ness) and Gupta period and then jump to the great famines, where crores of people died and how India was a land of the miserable and then how the so-called Muslim rulers gave India art, technology and induced religious tolerance (this is a sham) and glorify British saying .. it is British that gave us the "English" etc .. totally ignoring how till British entered India, India had a staggering 25% of the world's total GDP .. as late as the 1800s .. inspite of all the wealth looted by rulers from Central Asia, Persia and Arabs .. LOL .. they literally are feeding janta absolute BS .. that India was backward all the while ! Arthamanartham Bhavaya Nithyam - Naasthi Thatha Sukalesa Sathyam, Puthraadhapi Dhana Bhaajam Bheethi - Sarvathraisha Vihithaareethi. | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 12335 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
babu alaa pakkaki elli aadukondamma . Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 12334 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
One thing I liked about the article - Valid reason for emergence of Bhakti movement. I think indians realized that these new simple philosophies (though shallow) have capacity to attract people with their after life deals So, some seers came up with simple bhakti movement with out dismissing the vedas so that simple minds can stick to their religion What say ? Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Vjavasi Junior Artist Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 109 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.199.90 Rating: N/A |
Thanks for every one who appreciated the article In my opinion before british muslim rule was never a pan indian thing, there was alaways resistance in some part of the country, they could only administer in and around their forts,military baracks and the cities they built..rural india was almost free with each village behaving like an independent entity to itself. These places became fertile grounds for new leaders (both warriors and spiritual leaders).. As the author rightly mentioned british took india from hindus (it was the defeat of marathas that consolidated their position in India) not from muslims. after taking over india what they first did is they made possestion of weapons as illegal especially after 1857(to kill marital spirit).They systematically shifted center of power from villages (centralization). They were hugely successful with their education system introduced by Macaulay..through their education system they developed inferiority and guilt complex among the influential sections of the society. they showed their technological achievements as a proof that they are superior (white man's burden). Except few indians like Dayananda, vivekananda, aurobindoo.. other english educated indians succumbed to their tactics and became rootless. Nehru is best example of this section who are indian by birth but british in their thinking and culture. Please go through the following link. sita ram goel so eloquently describes this section of people.. their habits, their thinking..their attitude. This is must for people who want to understand Macaulayism http://voiceofdharma.org/books/hsus/ch4.htm | ||
| Goonda Hero Username: Goonda Post Number: 12336 Registered: 02-2007 Posted From: 174.50.22.82 Rating: N/A |
Thanks bro, will contact you if have any more doubts. | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1918 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 75.139.43.192 Rating: N/A |
there is no hard and fast rule on the number of miles you need to run in a day or a week, it really depends on how much you can. if you are running 3 miles a day, slowly increase the distance and observe how your body is reacting to it. but you should also make sure that you are not over stressing your body. it is kind of difficult as you will not see/feel any problems immediatly. so if you are comfortable with the distance increase half a mile on alternate days and give it couple of weeks before increasing the half mile each day. lower back pain could be due to many issues. the main issue you should be concerned is body posture, if your sitting posture does not give the pain, your posture should be fine. sitting puts more pressure on lower back than walking. over pronation could also be a reason, use the right shoe, it has a very good effect on lower back and shin muscles. work on your back muscles, get them stronger. do ab crunches, wall squats and such other back excercies and also improve your muscle. make sure that you are not running alot on uneven surfaces. this has very bad effect on the back. also during regular practice runs, do not run a lot of uphill.
go with interval training, you need to increase the pace for a certain intervals of your run, and get the pace back to normal or slower than normal. observe the response of this pattern, if its becoming difficult for you to run your regular distance in this way it usually means that you need to get more training at your current speed. once you are getting with the smaller intervals, increase the length of each interval, you might have increase the time between intervals too.
following good diet is always important. eat good amount of fibre and protien, and decent dosage of carbs. your muscle tissues needs to be taken care of so protien in take needs to be good. also try to increase muscle training. you need to build lean muscle for speed.
i would suggest to get good shoe, but hey if you are comfortable with the shoe you are using, dont worry abt it right at this moment. shin pains usually means that your leg muscles are strained. and in many cases having a good shoe helps lower the stress on shin muscles while running.
in my experience the stiffness does not go away so easily. your body needs to become more flexible, and that happens over a period of time. keep doing the stretches, it helps partly. you will have to rest plenty. dont think twice to take a day off for every two days. these rest days help the body to recuperate. The most important thing is you should be the best judge of your body, you should understand how your body is reacting to the pressures you are putting on it. things that worked for somebody might not be good enough for you, so be attentive and listen to your body. dont force yourself too much. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Goonda Hero Username: Goonda Post Number: 12335 Registered: 02-2007 Posted From: 174.50.22.82 Rating: N/A |
I am preparting for half marathon. i found several links regarding the preparation schedule. But i have my doubts and i want to hear from some one who has experience. I am in range of novice-medium runner. I can confortably run 5 miles at a strech. Here are questions. 1)In a week, how many mile you have to run?. I can confortably do 16-18 miles. but after that i start getting pain in lower back. How to avoid this? 2)How to increase the pace? currently my pace is 10 min per mile. I want to improve and get it down to 8-8.30 mins. 3) Do you follow any diet for these kind of programmes? if so, could you please suggest. 3)Regarding running posture: Did you get any ideas/tips from any one? I heard abt chi running. i haven't followed yet. 4)Regarding Shoes: Do get the special shoes from fleetfoot kind of stores for over pronation? Currently i dont use any special shoe, i go with regular new balance shoe, its not creating any problems. But i do get shin pains. 4) even though i do lot of stretching before-after the running, when i wake up in the morning i have same kind of stiffness in my foot and shins. How do i overcome it? Will post some more.. | ||
| Thunder Side Hero Username: Thunder Post Number: 9434 Registered: 05-2007 Posted From: 211.27.70.39 Rating: N/A |
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| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1917 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 75.139.43.192 Rating: N/A |
oh great song, thanks for posting here.
i am not running now brother, i was supposed to be preparing for a run/bike marathon, but due to some issues i put a stop to it. i will try answer if you post the questions. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1916 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 75.139.43.192 Rating: N/A |
the question that needs some thought, are we slaves today, if so who is our master? the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Goonda Hero Username: Goonda Post Number: 12334 Registered: 02-2007 Posted From: 174.50.22.82 Rating: N/A |
bro, neeku veelu eppudu kudurutundhi. i want to discuss some thing with you regarding running. Raju bhai told you are fully into this. let me a good time & date. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5746 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Thanks - love that song aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ipc302 Side Hero Username: Ipc302 Post Number: 3562 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 24.167.20.113 Rating: N/A |
NCERT sylabbus andi...mostly propaganda anukondi... close example that comes into mind is when taliban was in power in afghanistan.....the country was actually being ruled by warlords like dostum and masoood and others in ceratin areas but it was propagted that taliban controlled 95% of afghanistan to give them credibility
makes no sense to me....do u think the other parts of india were poor.... delhi and its surrounding places were in no place to compete with the other rajput or kingdoms down south...only after the mughal dynasty was in ascension did they start their dominence....as i said earlier it is the perception that is foisted upon us | ||
| Goonda Hero Username: Goonda Post Number: 12333 Registered: 02-2007 Posted From: 174.50.22.82 Rating: N/A |
Anand garu, Off the topic, I was searching for this song from long time, finally found. I though you might intrested to listen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmD6GfZgKX8&feature=related | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 732 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.44.243 Rating: N/A |
I think actual slavery part had come after British conquest, not Islamic Invasion. All generalizations have exceptions, including this one | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1913 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 75.139.43.192 Rating: N/A |
disco chese opika ledhannai..just time pass chesthunna the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1912 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 75.139.43.192 Rating: N/A |
good article . the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Side Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 7040 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.19.86.81 Rating: N/A |
endi tammudu disco cheyyi Icons tho war ante kashtam nee comments gurinchi eiting ikkada Ekkado munigi ikkada tela | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1911 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 75.139.43.192 Rating: N/A |
 the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Kamal Junior Artist Username: Kamal Post Number: 808 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 98.212.183.18 Rating: N/A |
nenu padukunta .. too sleepy .. Good night every one .. Vjavasi annai, Thanks a lot for the article .. had a feeling of pride when I was reading that .. 5 stars for the article .. Arthamanartham Bhavaya Nithyam - Naasthi Thatha Sukalesa Sathyam, Puthraadhapi Dhana Bhaajam Bheethi - Sarvathraisha Vihithaareethi. | ||
| Kamal Junior Artist Username: Kamal Post Number: 807 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 98.212.183.18 Rating: N/A |
To my mind, only one logical answer comes up .. You guys did not have a spine then, you do have it now ! Even today, any thing foreign is treated with respect/awe in India, may for this fake reason ! Arthamanartham Bhavaya Nithyam - Naasthi Thatha Sukalesa Sathyam, Puthraadhapi Dhana Bhaajam Bheethi - Sarvathraisha Vihithaareethi. | ||
| Kamal Junior Artist Username: Kamal Post Number: 806 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 98.212.183.18 Rating: N/A |
I do not deny .. and that is so because .. the Gangetic plains were fertile and economically sound .. makes sense to me .. South India lo .. Bahmanis started as early as 1350 .. right? which is even before Mughals came ! Though we were subjected to less misrule, I must confess ! Arthamanartham Bhavaya Nithyam - Naasthi Thatha Sukalesa Sathyam, Puthraadhapi Dhana Bhaajam Bheethi - Sarvathraisha Vihithaareethi. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5744 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
My question is why is that myth still being propagated ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ipc302 Side Hero Username: Ipc302 Post Number: 3561 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 24.167.20.113 Rating: N/A |
well right from ghazni's and ghori's the main thrust of the islamic rule was towards the northern part of india...from the early 1000's upto akbar's rule the islamic rule was mostly concentrated around delhi...the southern part was mostly insualted from the islamic rule...a big misconception that the seat of power lies in delhi was propogated to justify their dominance...even after the death of aurangazeb the mughal dynasty was shown to be the rulers of india though their power waned and in 1857 bahadur shah zafa was spearheaded to be the power behind the 1857 rule | ||
| Kamal Junior Artist Username: Kamal Post Number: 805 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 98.212.183.18 Rating: N/A |
well .. nenu undivided Hindustan gurinchi matladutunna andi .. 1000 AD .. fall of Multan, todays pak .. Arthamanartham Bhavaya Nithyam - Naasthi Thatha Sukalesa Sathyam, Puthraadhapi Dhana Bhaajam Bheethi - Sarvathraisha Vihithaareethi. | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Side Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 7039 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.19.86.81 Rating: N/A |
 Ekkado munigi ikkada tela | ||
| Kamal Junior Artist Username: Kamal Post Number: 804 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 98.212.183.18 Rating: N/A |
 Arthamanartham Bhavaya Nithyam - Naasthi Thatha Sukalesa Sathyam, Puthraadhapi Dhana Bhaajam Bheethi - Sarvathraisha Vihithaareethi. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5743 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Lodis or Delhi Sultanate was in the 13th century - that was what I meant by early Mughals ... Khilji around the same time frame... before that was there a major seat of power ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1910 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 75.139.43.192 Rating: N/A |
 the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Kamal Junior Artist Username: Kamal Post Number: 803 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 98.212.183.18 Rating: N/A |
wow .. ante naa history parledu annamaata .. cool !! Arthamanartham Bhavaya Nithyam - Naasthi Thatha Sukalesa Sathyam, Puthraadhapi Dhana Bhaajam Bheethi - Sarvathraisha Vihithaareethi. | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Side Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 7038 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.19.86.81 Rating: N/A |
before moghals indialni muslim s rule chesaru slave dynasty undi ..Alla udhin khiljee razia sultana kuda unnaru Ekkado munigi ikkada tela | ||
| 7kondalu Junior Artist Username: 7kondalu Post Number: 324 Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 76.93.141.251 Rating: N/A |
wiki links for the same http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_rulers_in_India http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_invasions_of_India | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1908 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 75.139.43.192 Rating: N/A |
 the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Kamal Junior Artist Username: Kamal Post Number: 802 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 98.212.183.18 Rating: N/A |
bhale vaare meeru .. Ghazni .. 1000 AD .. next Lodis' ruled for 150 years with Delhi as seat .. though the grip they had might not have exceeded a circle of 100-200 miles from their seat of power .. and then we saw Khiljis .. next came mughals .. but as the author rightly pointed .. time and again .. it was only military defeats .. saving the society from crumbling down .. well, kaani Emperors like Shivaji and Krishnadeva Raya captured huge tracts in between .. alage Rajputana existed well .. kaani chala baga raasaru article matram .. this should be like a "national article" if there exists one ! Arthamanartham Bhavaya Nithyam - Naasthi Thatha Sukalesa Sathyam, Puthraadhapi Dhana Bhaajam Bheethi - Sarvathraisha Vihithaareethi. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5741 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
1000 years by whom ? Babur vachindi 15th century lo , earliest Mughals in 13th ? who invaded in 1000 AD ? have to refresh my history aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Kamal Junior Artist Username: Kamal Post Number: 801 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 98.212.183.18 Rating: N/A |
I happened to see that some time ago .. well, fact of the matter is we were ruled/exploited/looted economically/militarily for 1000 years .. but culturally .. NO .. they could not impose their religion/culture on us .. they only conquered kingdoms .. not people ! Arthamanartham Bhavaya Nithyam - Naasthi Thatha Sukalesa Sathyam, Puthraadhapi Dhana Bhaajam Bheethi - Sarvathraisha Vihithaareethi. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5740 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Idi telisinde kada - it was the british modus operandi to subvert India- there is a photocopy of Macaulay's letter in the british library saying words to the effect that the only way to conquer is to make people lose faith in their culture ... google cheste dorukutundi... The tragedy is people were so gullible and still are - recent ga evaro statement icharu annaru - was it Kalam or Jaswanth Singh -I forget -that India has been ruled by outsiders for over a 1000 years ani ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Kamal Junior Artist Username: Kamal Post Number: 800 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 98.212.183.18 Rating: N/A |
I though it start circa late 1800s around the time British introduced the you-guys-inferior concept in the minds of people .. just twisting facts here and there .. making India lose confidence .. part of the game you know .. ! Arthamanartham Bhavaya Nithyam - Naasthi Thatha Sukalesa Sathyam, Puthraadhapi Dhana Bhaajam Bheethi - Sarvathraisha Vihithaareethi. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5739 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Good article and a more genuine representation of history
I was always curious who started this claim of 1000 years of slavery ? Any idea? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| 7kondalu Junior Artist Username: 7kondalu Post Number: 323 Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 76.93.141.251 Rating: |
we cant attribute those things to the whole society. as per my knowledge, hindu kings lost because they were doing the dharma yuddham. sub-continent lo unna kings madhya eppudu jarigedi dharma yuddham, there are certain rules of war (like the Geneva Conventions) which both sides are abide to. but the people who came from outside followed no rules (like the extremists now), and eventually were able to weaken the local kings. | ||
| Kamal Junior Artist Username: Kamal Post Number: 796 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 98.212.183.18 Rating: N/A |
Very true. We might have lost kingdoms, wealth, but never lost culture, traditions, civilizations in its entirety. The max they could do was dilute our culture, but every time we found new ways to deal with it. Today there is conscious effort from people to distort these facts. They are trying to wipe out the blood stains of those massacres and doing great disservice to an entire nation.
Frankly this is the best article I read in times .. Naa chinnappudu .. Swami Dayananda ani maa family follow ayye Swami undevaaru .. when we were small kids, he used to make us sit around and tell us how the brave Hindus sacrificed their lives to save the nation from oppression, loot and tyranny. Jai Hind Arthamanartham Bhavaya Nithyam - Naasthi Thatha Sukalesa Sathyam, Puthraadhapi Dhana Bhaajam Bheethi - Sarvathraisha Vihithaareethi. | ||
| Basky_indya Hero Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 17305 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 75.185.19.223 Rating: N/A |
prema,vyamoham,AVASARAM atleast society point of view lo. so many wars lo mana allani easy ga konesi debba kottesaru. Gigantic Techno fuctional Mega Blockbuster Magnum Opus BOMMA | ||
| 7kondalu Junior Artist Username: 7kondalu Post Number: 322 Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 76.93.141.251 Rating: N/A |
ardham kaaledu babai, hindus ki money gold & women meeda prema ekkuava antunnara ? | ||
| Basky_indya Hero Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 17304 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 75.185.19.223 Rating: N/A |
HINDUS Society approach lo they r highly seductible to money,gold,women. Gigantic Techno fuctional Mega Blockbuster Magnum Opus BOMMA | ||
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M.V.R.Satri (Andhrabhoomi chief editor) articles raasaru on similar lines (edi charithra anukunta title), book kooda release ayinatlu undi. as far as I understand, starting from 700AD nundi jarigina attacks had weakened the rulers of India and made their job easier for later intruders. | ||
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Tammudu avanni valla personal views. Antha mathrana avi najam nuvvu cheppindi abdham ayipodu. Maree personalga teeskoku . Venjoy DB. Ippudu KKD vachi db is for sharing info &leg pulling and some times blood boiling antadu Guruji Vachichetan chen todanthon antadu ivanni avasarama? Ekkado munigi ikkada tela | ||
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Not his mistake .. an entire generation believed, fortunately, there are less such people now ! Dark era. Hope we will reverse these losses one day. Sacrifice .. the ultimate sacrifice. And sadly, we take that for granted ! Manishi roopam loni mrugam veedu .. veedini hero ane vaallu kooda same category lo ki vastaru .. Arthamanartham Bhavaya Nithyam - Naasthi Thatha Sukalesa Sathyam, Puthraadhapi Dhana Bhaajam Bheethi - Sarvathraisha Vihithaareethi. | ||
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ISKCON member? All generalizations have exceptions, including this one | ||
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intaka mundhu mee arguments chadivinnapudu meeru dwaita philosophy follow avutaru ani anipinchindhi. Am i right?. I like chaitanya maha prabhu's philosophy | ||
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Annai neeku moodindhe...ippudu okallu vastharu kasko....kaivalya====Howard roark so vedas are nothing but subsets of Objectivism antaru.....nuvvu out...aa sodhiki...aadhi antham moolam ledhu undadhu.....karma kaali inkodu vachadanuko...aadaithe....naa beamer lo highway meedha....philosophy chadiva antadu....be prepared | ||
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The myth of "1000 years of Hindu slavery" 08/11/2009 01:59:04 By M. R. Vaghela Hindu Voice UK One thousand years of slavery. Millennia of defeat and domination caused by a dogmatic adherence to the doctrine of ahimsa, preventing an effective resistance to foreign domination. This is what most Hindus are brought up to believe about their history. These and other such theories are happily put forward as history of Hindus for the past 14 centuries and postulated by self proclaimed scholars from both within and without the Hindu fold. It was something I have heard from my youth and accepted without question. However some thoughts rankled in my mind. If the Hindus were truly slaves for a thousand years plus, then how have we survived to this day with dignity and honour and with a spiritual tradition stretching back to the mists of time and beyond? Many other cultures, civilisations and spiritual traditions have been reduced to museum pieces, but the words of the Holy Vedas are recited in an identical fashion today as they were thousands of years ago when first revealed to the Rishis. This is no mean achievement. How did Hindus survive and manage to maintain a civilisational identity stretching into the dawn of human history? How was Sanatana Dharma kept alive as a living presence in the world, and indeed regenerated over time if the Hindus were slaves for so long? This impelled me to look for the truth myself, and undertake a study of the history of the Hindu people. The beginning of Hindusâ âthousand years of slaveryâ is supposed to have begun with the overrunning of India by Muslims of Arab and Turkish origin. It is popularly believed that Hindus put up a feeble defence and that the Islamic armies had a cake walk through India. If we examine at what actually happened, however, we see that Hindus put up a huge struggle, which was eventually victorious. Following the death of their founder, Muhammad we see the Arab Khilafat expand swiftly over the Middle and Near East, pouring over the deserts of North Africa and crossing the waters to begin a six century occupation of Spain and beyond. The combined might of Christian Europe struggled again and again to reclaim the âholy landsâ to end in bitter failure with the rise of the Ottoman Empire, who ruled over a large part of Eastern Europe for centuries. On the other side, the lands of Iran, home of the ancient and historical Persian civilisation fell to the yet undefeated Arab warriors and within a short period the indigenous culture becoming extinct or expelled, today being largely the confine of museums and relics. The Arab hordes then pushed into the Indian Subcontinent, land of the Hindus, overwhelming the small desert region of Sindh and then attempted to push and conquer the existing Hindu kingdoms. Here however their advance was stopped. With the inspiration of Sant Gorakhnath the warrior clans of the Rajputs united under their legendary king Bappa Rawal and in a series of Battles known collectively as the Battle of Rajashtan inflicted a heavy defeat on the Arab invaders in 738 CE. Any further advances by the Arabs were repelled, impelling the formation of large organised Hindu states in the centre and west of India. Frustrated by their failures in India the Arabs turned northwards shortly after defeating the Chinese Empire in the Battle of Talas in 751 CE opening the gate for the Islamisation of Central Asia. India remained unaffected for another three hundred years. (the âthousand years of slavery theoryâ was beginning to shake) The Islamisation of Central Asia began to grow apace and one by one the ancient Buddhist kingdoms began to totter and fall as tribe after tribe joined the ranks of the growing Muslim religion. The destruction of Buddhism and its centers in the region prompted an exodus towards India, and the conversion of the remaining clans to Islam. The Muslim armies were expanded, filled with the zeal and energy of new converts, who were sent spiraling towards the Middle East to fight the advancing Crusaders under the leadership of Saladin. Another wave of attacks poured towards India resulting in large scale damage and loot from the subcontinent under the leadership of Mahmud of Ghazni around 1000 CE. Two further centuries passed as further advances were resisted until a breakthrough around 1200 CE allowed the invaders access to the North Indian plains. The remaining Buddhists were slaughtered or converted in an unprecedented orgy of violence and horror. The majority Buddhist regions of Afghanistan, Kashmir and West Punjab joined the crescent banner of Islam. However the conversion of Hindus was slower and the resistance was more fierce. Hindu warrior clans kept up a relentless resistance fighting from the deserts, the mountains and the forests. The heavy cavalry of the Muslim Turks which had proved fatal to the Crusaders of Western Europe were victorious on the plains of North India but this did not prevent an endless cycle of attack and counter attack by the Hindus. It took nearly another hundred years under the leadership of the infamous Aladdin Khilji for the Muslims Empire firmly established itself in India. This mantle was inherited by the Tughlaqs only to lead to a revival from the Hindu population. The religious traditions of India had been severely mauled by the endless bloodletting over the past two centuries. Many important institutions and temples were destroyed. Prosperity suffered, as it tends to in times of continuous war. This created a certain weakening of Hindu society. Religion became preserved in rituals which were less and less understood. Sanskrit learning was on the decline. Caste became more rigid. However, a religious renewal took place in the form of the âBhakti movementâ. A simplified form of Hinduism particularly suitable to the times emerged. A new wave of spiritual teachers preaching that simple devotion and love of God and love of all people and creatures is the simplest root to salvation. A message of defiance and brotherhood from saints and rishis from all corners of India emerged. From Tukram and Namdev from the west of India, from Nanak in Punjab, from Chaitanya in the east and Kabir in the north plus many others, the message of dharma revived itself in the teeth of an implacable enemy. The fearless postulating of the brotherhood of all mankind defied the savagery raging around them as the Turks endeavoured to convert the entire subcontinent to Islam and the Hindus fighting tooth and nail to resist. The Muslim empire seemed to rest on specified military encampments and cities surrounded by a sea of hostile Hindus usually left to their own devices. Hundred of Rajahs and Maharajahs dotted the nation living in virtual independence from the central authorities in which traditions of culture and religion were maintained unchanged through the centuries. Other larger organised resistance emerged in the Vijaynagara Empire of South India around 1336 CE which consolidated Hindu resistance for over two centuries. In the north the revival of the Rajput kingdoms and the defiance of kings like those of Orissa under the Gajapati Kings, the hills of Punjab under Jasrath Khokhar and the rise of neo Hindu kingdoms in the north east of India along with the entire hill region signaled the revival of Hindu rule over vast tracts of India. A steady period of Hindu growth then ensued until by the dawn of the 1500âs the southern region of India was dominated by the mighty king of the Vijaynagara Empire, Krishnadevarya and the north by the revival of the valiant Rajputs under the charismatic leadership of Rana Sanga (grandfather of the equally illustrious Rana Pratap). The tides of history however turned again â with the influx of cannons and other artillery utilised by Babur the Mughal entered into the Indian subcontinent against which the wild charges of the Rajputs and Pathans had no answer. The reckless disregard of their own lives in the defence of dharma saw a series of battles in which the Hindu forces fought quite literally to the last man woman and child, most famously the siege of Chhitor in 1567. The utter refusal of the Hindus to surrender in the century old tussle with Islam for political control over the subcontinent was a lesson not lost by the new Emperor Akbar. He instead moved away from the tenets of Islam to a new faith of the Din i Ilahi. By following the age old traditions of religious toleration in India he endeared himself to the majority population and through a period of compromise and alliance brought a brief period of peace to the troubled land. This tenuous alliance was shattered by his descendant Aurangzeb who in his zeal for the establishment of an Islamic state caused an upheaval which left the Mughal Empire fall beyond all hope of repair. The renewal of the civilisational Hindu-Islam conflict saw the rise of a generation of Sants and holy men inspiring the people for the defence of dharma which saw the might of the Mughals humbled by Rajputs, Marathas, Jats, Satnamis, Ahoms, Sikhs, Bundelas and others. In a cataclysmic wave of defiance the Mughal Empire lay broken and on its ruins rose a number of Hindu states competing for space in the subcontinent. The inspirational rise of the Maratha king Shivaji and his bold defiance of the Mughal empire in the noontide of its realm is an apt example. Who did the British wrest control of India from? When the British came on the Indian scene, it is thought or assumed by many people that he British took control of India from the Mughals. This is not true. In fact, by the time that the British emerged as a major force in India, the Muslim political power in the subcontinent had been virtually cast down. The situation is best defined by a British author, H.G.Keene The idea, however, that the British have wrested the Empire from the Mohamadans is a mistake. The Mohamadans were beaten down â almost everywhere except in Bengal â before the British appeared upon the scene; Bengal they would not have been able to hold, and the name of the "Mahratta Ditch" of Calcutta shows how near even the British there were to extirpation by India's new masters. Had the British not won the battles of Plassey and Buxar, the whole Empire would ere now have become the fighting ground of Sikhs, Rajputs, and Mahrattas and others. Except the Nizam of the Deccan there was not a vigorous Musalman ruler in India after the firman of Farokhsiar in 1716; the Nizam owed his power to the British after the battle of Kurdla in 1795), and it was chiefly British support that maintained the feeble shadow of the Moghul Empire, from the death of Alamgir II. to the retirement of Mr. Hastings. Not only Haidarabad but all the other existing Musalman principalities of modern India owe their existence, directly, or indirectly, to the British intervention. The march of western civilisation ended the Hindu revival at a time when Hindus exercised control over almost the entire subcontinent. But it took Three wars with the Marathas, Two wars with the Sikhs, two wars with the Gurkhas, war with the Jaats, also smaller ranging wars with the Santhals, Sanyasis and many others â all Hindu rebellions. Hindus unwillingness to surrender culminated in the huge uprising from the predominantly Hindu sepoys in 1857 which almost brought the British Indian Empire to a swift conclusion being the largest anti colonial uprising in history. The end result was 90 years of imperialist rule. This was matched by a concerted disarming of the population by the British rulers, leaving only select regions free from the disarming which were perceived as loyal to the British under the flawed marital race theory. This theory propagated by the forerunners of the concepts of eugenics and Nazism believed the Indian races could not match the British combination of physical and mental facilities. Thus a large percentage of Hindu population, despite holding sway of almost all of the Indian subcontinent were delegated into the non martial section by the British. Other sections believed to be of sufficient physical abilities (but not mental development) were delegated by the Imperialists as âmartial racesâ This flawed theory was propagated as an absolute truth (still followed by some) and together with the disarming of the population led to the diminishing of the martial spirit amongst Hindus. However the theories propagated by the British found challengers from the Hindus. Spurred by a revaluation of their history and the knowledge of western theories a new revival began to take fruit. From the universal preaching of Swami Vivekananda to the guns of the Anushilan Samiti the Hindus were at the forefront of a growing anti colonial challenge to the most powerful empire in the world. Finally finding control of the subcontinent untenable in the teeth of endless opposition the British Indian Empire collapsed in a wave of unprecedented bloodshed which has seen a slow and steady spread and reach of the Hindu world. So again, I was stumped by this âthousand years of slaveryâ theory. I was even more surprised to find this postulated by otherwise very earnest Hindus in the mistaken belief of their own history. When examining our history I saw a spirit of defiance stretching over a thousand years in the face of implacable and merciless enemies, who put an end to many other cultures and civilisations. The same forces which had overcome virtually every indigenous civilisation in the world had thrown their entire might against India â and failed. Attack after attack was defeated. Horrific massacres did not force the people to abandon their religion and identity. The destruction of holy places did not see dharma die but rise again and overcome their opponents with the power of truth. The banner of freedom was raised generation after generation despite the best attempts of some vested parties to blur the truths and sacrifices made again and again. So 150 years of effective rule by the Muhamadans and 90 years of British rule was suddenly expanded into âone thousand years of slaveryâ an utterly absurd contention is being bandied about like an absolute truth but has failed to hide the facts that remain unaltered in history. Ancient faiths like Buddhism and Zoroasterism were almost obliterated from the Middle East, Central Asia and India but the Hindus rose in defiance to emerge even stronger at the end of the blood soaked millennia. Even well wishers of Hindus, lost in their Victorian outlook on India have propagated the same absurdities in total insult of the enduring Hindu spirit. The spirit is best exemplified by the renowned historian Sir Jadunath Sarkar when talking of the legendary Maratha king Shivaji: He [Shivaji] has proved that the Hindus can still produce not only clerks and soldiers but rulers of men. (â¦) Shivaji proved that the tree of Hinduism is not really dead â that it rose from the seemingly crushing load of centuries of attack and put forth new leaves and lifted its head to the skies. |
