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Anand_n
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Kamal:

first chadivi .. positive sense lo unna poem anukunna .. intha meaning unda !




The obvious answer may not always be the right answer :-) Poetry is a risk ani evaro signature chusanu poddunna:-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Kamal
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Anand_n:




first chadivi .. positive sense lo unna poem anukunna .. intha meaning unda !
Arthamanartham Bhavaya Nithyam - Naasthi Thatha Sukalesa Sathyam,
Puthraadhapi Dhana Bhaajam Bheethi - Sarvathraisha Vihithaareethi.
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Kamal:

never knew crafty fox antaru ani ..




http://www.thefreedictionary.com/craft

1. Skill in doing or making something, as in the arts; proficiency. See Synonyms at art1.
2. Skill in evasion or deception; guile.


Second meaning ikkada :-)

Ambition kuda middle english lo negative connotation...


am·bi·tion (m-bshn)
[Middle English ambicioun, excessive desire for honor, power, or wealth, from Old French ambition,

aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Kamal
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Anand_n:

Craftiness - is definitely considered negative - crafty fox antaru kada




emo .. cricketing parlance lo .. crafty batsman ani antaru, which I meant is very positive in meaning .. and when praising artistic excellence - crafty use chestaru anukunna .. never knew crafty fox antaru ani .. cunning fox or clever fox antaru ani chadiva ..

Anand_n:

material ambition negative, spiritual ambition positive anevallu untaru , asalu desire/ambition e negative ane spiritualists unnaru ...




no no .. material/non-material/spiritual pursuits gurinchi kaadu andi matter .. ruthless ambition ante .. at any cost saadhinchaali ane feeling kada .. which can is negative.

As Amitabh once famously said .. English is a funny language !
Arthamanartham Bhavaya Nithyam - Naasthi Thatha Sukalesa Sathyam,
Puthraadhapi Dhana Bhaajam Bheethi - Sarvathraisha Vihithaareethi.
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Kamal:


Idi negative trait ee na andi .. confirm?




Depends on perception - material ambition negative, spiritual ambition positive anevallu untaru , asalu desire/ambition e negative ane spiritualists unnaru ...

But the way I understood that poem, I thought the poet implied it was negative...

Craftiness - is definitely considered negative - crafty fox antaru kada :-)

Spite - petty desire to put down someone or get back at someone general usage lo meaning :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Lionswalkalone:



Anand_n:




Mee kaal mokkutha baanchan
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Kamal
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Anand_n:

Ruthless ambition




Idi negative trait ee na andi .. confirm?

Anand_n:

Craftiness




idi negative aa .. surprising !

Spite ante .. ? I do not know the meaning for the word!
Arthamanartham Bhavaya Nithyam - Naasthi Thatha Sukalesa Sathyam,
Puthraadhapi Dhana Bhaajam Bheethi - Sarvathraisha Vihithaareethi.
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Lionswalkalone:



Try try try .... you will succeed
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Bushu:

asathoma sadgamaya ki twist ichinatlunnadu




Kadu - it is the total opposite meaning ...

That when put thru the mechanics of "reason" even a weakness can be perceived/projected as a strength :-)

Craftiness, Ruthless ambition, Spite are all considered negative traits but if you put them thorough enough reasoning they can be sugarcoated to look positive :-)

Hence the "night" of "Reason" :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Lionswalkalone:

Lewis Carroll




asathoma sadgamaya ki twist ichinatlunnadu
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Lionswalkalone:


Yes...even Spite..




Morality is rarely absolute...hence anything can be reasoned :-)

Which is why people have to define core values they consider inviolate...these are totally dependent on personal inclinations and when people have vastly different circumferences of those inviolate values you have interpersonal conflict :-)

Then you have religions trying to enforce their circle of core inviolate values and then the conflict between religions starts....and so it grows...facts of life :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Anand_n:

anything can be justifie and reasoned ..




Yes...even Spite..
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Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 11:28 pm:   Insert Quote Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

who's the poet ?///

Lewis Carroll
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Anand_n
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:-)very insightful - anything can be justifie and reasoned ..

who's the poet ?
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 09:41 pm:   Insert Quote Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Let craft, ambition, spite,
Be quenched in Reason's night,
Till weakness turn to might,
Till what is dark be light,
Till what is wrong be right!

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