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Indiarocks:


Why not we have the same opinion about OYC?




He is good in his own way protecting the interests of those who look up to him. The system/society is dealing him in its own way.
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Shawshank:

Very true. Let the people concerned decide !




Why not we have the same opinion about OYC? He thinks allowing Taslima, or some other law was not good. He has his way of "thrashing" it. Why why be concerned when he wields a gun openly, or physically attacks somebody.

And yet, the people concerned, are deciding to send him to the House every 5yrs.
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Indiarocks:

And the way of fighting is very important if you are a political party.




Very true. Let the people concerned decide !
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Shawshank:

No, What is greater good is important here. You may chose to obey a shittier law and be a "Gandhian" or thrash the trash and be a "rebel". So, its choice, not hypocrisy.




You need not obey a law. But there is a way to fight it out. Do not compare struggle pre-independence with the one post independence. Both are very different. And the way of fighting is very important if you are a political party.
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Indiarocks:

Is it not outright hypocrisy?




No, What is greater good is important here. You may chose to obey a shittier law and be a "Gandhian" or thrash the trash and be a "rebel". So, its choice, not hypocrisy.
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Shawshank:

Rules (laws) are meant to be broken/changed/updated/removed. It is a continuous process, you do not see them as discrete acts. So, it certainly depends on how you want to see history.




Yes, rules are meant to be changed. In a democracy there is a way to do that. What is the point of calling our's a civilized society when we approach a problem in the same way a wild animal does?

For eg: we see politicians breaking all codes of conduct, laws etc in election campaigns. The irony is that they are actually in the process of getting elected to protect/safegaurd/change the same law.

So you say that it is ok to break a law when you don't like it. But if you come into power you are its protector, and you expect ppl to abide by it. Is it not outright hypocrisy?
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There is a difference. Gandhi's law was set by a foreigner. We are no more ruled by a foreigner. We are ruled by ourselves, and are electing the law makers.




LOL .. you would be astonished to know that 60% of the laws are still foreign. What laws are still in place is absolutely shameful to even discuss. We even elected law makers in 1940s (pre-independence) .. why did we fight for independence?

Indiarocks:

So in the name of changing the system it is ok to break a law when you are in the opposition. But, by chance, if they come into power, they themselves claim to be the protectors of the same law.




Rules (laws) are meant to be broken/changed/updated/removed. It is a continuous process, you do not see them as discrete acts. So, it certainly depends on how you want to see history.
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Shawshank:

For you Gandhi lifting a handful of salt crystals might be "breaking the law", to me it is struggle !




There is a difference. Gandhi's law was set by a foreigner. We are no more ruled by a foreigner. We are ruled by ourselves, and are electing the law makers.

So in the name of changing the system it is ok to break a law when you are in the opposition. But, by chance, if they come into power, they themselves claim to be the protectors of the same law.
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Indiarocks:

Ok, probably more than 50% of the crimes committed by prisoners in jails currently are impulsive reactions to some kind of actions.




You also have to distinguish between individuals and society as a whole !

Indiarocks:


I am not talking about the constitution. I am talking about the law.



Laws flow out of constitution.

Indiarocks:

So you are ok with somebody breaking the law in the name of changing the system.




well laws are bound by time and place and perception. You are perceiving somebody trying to change the system as somebody breaking the law. For you Gandhi lifting a handful of salt crystals might be "breaking the law", to me it is struggle !
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Shawshank:

you need to change the system and for that you have to fight your way out!




So you are ok with somebody breaking the law in the name of changing the system.
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Shawshank:

there would be many ways for many things. The reaction depends on the kind of action.




Ok, probably more than 50% of the crimes committed by prisoners in jails currently are impulsive reactions to some kind of actions.

Shawshank:

Not everybody in politics have to obey to bullshit in the name of constitution etc, you need to change the system and for that you have to fight your way out!




I am not talking about the constitution. I am talking about the law. If there is something that ppl do not agree with the constitution, there is a way to change it in our democracy.
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Indiarocks:

Do you support an org breaking the law in the name of protecting a religion, or bringing justice to ppl?




Will not be beating around the bush. I support it, if I feel it is valid and purposeful. I also look at history to decide what is justice, not simply wake up and pronounce a judgement !

Indiarocks:


Do you say that is the only way to get justice in India?




there would be many ways for many things. The reaction depends on the kind of action.

Indiarocks:

Being in politics, and contesting in elections, are they not vying to be the protectors of law, themselves?


Not everybody in politics have to obey to bullshit in the name of constitution etc, you need to change the system and for that you have to fight your way out!

Indiarocks:

If yes, what is the use of such an org to be in politics?


People who use the org can tell that to you.
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Bro I have a question for you, not related to this news. Do you support an org breaking the law in the name of protecting a religion, or bringing justice to ppl?

Do you say that is the only way to get justice in India? If yes, what is the use of such an org to be in politics? Being in politics, and contesting in elections, are they not vying to be the protectors of law, themselves?
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In a relief to former Lieutenant Colonel Prasad Purohit and Sadhvi Pragya Thakur, the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) has given these Malegaon blast accused a clean chit in the Nanded case which the investigative agency is probing again.

A CBI officer on Monday revealed that the agency filed a supplementary chargesheet in the Nanded case last month, but only against Punebased antique arms dealer, Rakesh Dhawade.

The CBI had re-opened the Nanded case in December 2008 after the Maharashtra Anti- Terrorism Squad (ATS) arrested 11 persons, including Dhawade, Purohit and Pragya, for the Malegaon blasts and revealed a link between the Malegaon and Nanded incidents.

The ATS submitted its Malegaon chargesheet in January, implicating Dhawade for the Nanded blasts as well. Dhawade has also been charge-sheeted by the ATS for bomb blasts in the Purna mosque in Purna (Parbhani), Qadriya mosque in Jalna and the Mohammediya mosque in Parbhani.

While it took the CBI eight more months to reconfirm Dhawade's link with the Nanded case, the agency has let Purohit and Pragya go free.

This, despite the ATS chargesheet in the Malegaon case calling Dhawade the "main member of the organised crime syndicate involving all the Malegaon accused". "Dhawade was present at the oath- taking ceremony of members of Abhinav Bharat at Raigad fort in 2006 - attended by Purohit, Ajay Rahirkar , and others," reads the ATS chargesheet.

Courtesy: Mail Today




http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/63968/LATEST%20NEWS/ CBI+gives+clean+chit+to+Pragya+and+Purohit+in+Nanded+case.ht ml

I am very sure that most of you have not noticed this news. As such, it is not your fault as well, the secularist media loves to paint the saffron organizations and people associated with it as fundamentalists, orthodox and extremists. But a fair media would have reported that the people over which India has debated that RSS, VHP, BJP, BD are all extremist organizations, now what does it say? The people have got a clean chit from CBI under "Congress rule".

Come Pseudo-Sickularists, speak out !
"Dharma" is that which upholds, nourishes or supports the stability of the society, maintains the social order and secures the general well-being and progress of man-kind. - Supreme Court of India

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