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     Chivuks Side Hero Username: Chivuks Post Number: 3059 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 59.92.150.140 Rating: N/A |
raju annaiah .. naaku unna limited knowledge ki .. arms deal ante vegetable markets lo beram adi konnattu konatam kudardu .. lot of under-table deals seyalsi untadi, to avoid the international pressure and scrutiny ... u or rather most of us will never know the complete details .. gunship that we bought from russia under King is Singh captaincy, is the best example ... we never know why are we buying that, people say for that much of money we get a brand new one .. we still use the Sukhoi's though they come crashing very frequently ... with out spareparts available ... wild guess, field test lo pass ainda leda ani chustaru .. ayane unte mangali enduku ani .. antha field test specialists, technicians unte .. maname inhouse manufacturing seskunetollam, in partnership with russia/israel or what ever ... ranking ichentha turum khans manaki leru ... mumbai attacks lo AK-56 lu pak factory lo tayar chesaru ani labels chusi chepparu manollu .... manam inka 1947 rifles kalam lone unnam .. scene entha bad ante, until military deployed, not even ATS chief has assault rifle ... guards, constables emantaro telidu ... .303 na .. aa rifles tho returned fire anta ... bofors gun is a big buy for us .. naa understanding prakaram | ||
| Rajusk Side Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 8521 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 206.53.153.35 Rating: N/A |
Thammud Chivuks, Do you know that Bofors was not the first choice of the technicians..it was the 3rd choice.why it was picked..is everyone's guess.. Idi inside kaadu..guess kaadu..naa MBA class mate was an expert on Bofors gun..he was a colonel in the army..and one of the first few experts on operating Bofors gun | ||
| Chivuks Side Hero Username: Chivuks Post Number: 3058 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 59.92.150.140 Rating: N/A |
With my limited understanding of defense deals, I give margin of doubt to rajeev. As in international defense exports/imports, under the guise lot of crude manipulations we have to do to procure arms ... bofors gun is successful in its introduction to the warfare and is acknowledged by the army/polity ... George does not have any justification what so ever, if he swindled money by doing business on coffins ...
Will post tomorrow quoting how Musharaff summarized the kargil adventure and how he concluded if nawaz sheriff did not run to US how much of advantageous position they were enjoying .. tomorrow!! we will continue from there ... BTW, one of my maternal uncle is my town BJP incharge ... and during congress regime, he used to tear apart one minister in J&K saying he is a pakistan to whom J&K govt issued indian passport and he became a minister in J&K who is a blot on national integrity .. in vajapayee cabinet, he became some minister of state or something as part of NDA ... Any idea who this is?? I will get back with that information. | ||
| Shawshank Side Hero Username: Shawshank Post Number: 4501 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 173.95.184.250 Rating: N/A |
Ask the so-called King why he is playing into the hands of opponents ! "Dharma" is that which upholds, nourishes or supports the stability of the society, maintains the social order and secures the general well-being and progress of man-kind. - Supreme Court of India | ||
| Shawshank Side Hero Username: Shawshank Post Number: 4500 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 173.95.184.250 Rating: N/A |
I think, you know that Vajpayee is not a techie to come up with some terms or manipulate numbers. Now if he says the yield was 50 MT, then I am sure, some techie must have said that. I am also not claiming that Atal ji is always correct. It must have been a cover-up in the international arena for the honor of India. It would be in our interests not to blow the lid and take out skeletons from the closet.
Frankly, I admit that Advani lied for saving his face in public.
Mind you, firstly the only thing that is today in doubt is the H-bomb. The remaining nuclear bombs are not being doubted. Secondly, Vajpayee did not take credit for the development of the nuclear bomb. It is a known fact that he claimed credit for giving green signal to perform the tests. He dared the world to apply economic sanctions and technological sanctions against India, which the PM of yesteryear PVNR or the then Leader of Opposition and today's PM Manmohan Singh said India, if it tests the nuclear bomb, said India will crumble under the economic sanctions. But the vajpayee govt proved otherwise. It infact managed to convince president Clinton that India will not sign CTBT or NPT. Also they aggresively dealt with diplomatic sanctions against India and managed to keep the flag flying high. What more do you expect? If you do not give credit for all this, I am sure you are not able to differentiate and appreciate the progress in the 1998-2004 regime.
Very true, like Rajiv carried the Bofors thing to this grave!
Says who??? Even Mian Musharraf accepted defeat. Now if the party concerned has no qualms accepting defeat, the great analysts are surely aiming for some brownie points !
It is the lens with which you view. Fortunately, for me, I think I have given you enough information of what I perceive is "zameen-aasman farak" of difference in governance of Cong-BJP. "Dharma" is that which upholds, nourishes or supports the stability of the society, maintains the social order and secures the general well-being and progress of man-kind. - Supreme Court of India | ||
| Chivuks Side Hero Username: Chivuks Post Number: 3057 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 59.92.150.140 Rating: N/A |
i will read and respond tomorrow .. but ironically it seems like we ended up not having ANY nuclear deterrent!!!!! and it reports were to be belived singh is king is a few discrete steps away from signing CTBT, NPT and what not ... | ||
| Chivuks Side Hero Username: Chivuks Post Number: 3056 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 59.92.150.140 Rating: N/A |
I just can not comprehend how Vajpayeed declared success in such scenario, if not here in some other article it clearly said that vajpayee talked euphorically about 50MT yield of the bomb ... and at that time only American defense research institutes negated the claim saying that they did not record as much of seismic activity in that geography as what stated in the yield of the bomb, and cold sholdered the claim, and trashed it as not a explosion but a mini flash ... The reason why i asked BJP supporter specifically is because of this, first jaswant said advani was very much aware and part of the decision taking body for release of terrorists ... which is contradicting what advani said all the while ... now this contradicts what vajpayee has been crediting to his own party that nuclear explosions have been very successful and thwarted external threats in a big way.. guess some of these scientists involved were give premium awards ... and kalam was elevated to president only becoz of this credential .. now this seems to be in doubt ... George fernandez always carried the blot of caskets gate during kargil war .. even kargil war victories were dubious is what some defense analysts claim .. of course, we would never come to know about them, as most of these are classified in one or the other way ... so many questions about BJP which was supposed to have a clean image!!!! | ||
| Shawshank Side Hero Username: Shawshank Post Number: 4498 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 173.95.184.250 Rating: N/A |
http://chellaney.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!4913C7C8A2EA4A30!1079.entry Brahma Chellaney post - Why India must build a credible nuclear deterrent Come back to comment plzz .. "Dharma" is that which upholds, nourishes or supports the stability of the society, maintains the social order and secures the general well-being and progress of man-kind. - Supreme Court of India | ||
| Shawshank Side Hero Username: Shawshank Post Number: 4493 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 173.95.184.250 Rating: N/A |
ok .. as an engineer, all I can say is, it is quite possible that it failed.
enni cheyyadam enti ? BJP vallu emanna scientists ni koorchopetti design cheyinchaara? The nuclear program was actually designed in the time of PV saab. He told Atal ji that they need to be tested. Atal ji after coming to power, immediately arranged for a test. In the aftermath, may be due to the outpour of critism from the world, they have put a moratorium on further tests but did not sign CTBT or NPT which will rule out the possibility of further tests.
There are several versions going out. Anil Kakodkar who is the Atomic Energy Commission head told that the tests were successful. The entire top brass of the defense forces of the day claimed victory. The so called Santanam could have come out in public in the last 11 years to counter the claims of the govt of India ( or BJP as you put/portray it). And regarding the IA hijack, before a decision was made, the govt asked all the elected representatives (MPs from Congress, Samajwadi, CPI, CPM etc) if they have any other option in mind other than the release of the 3 dreaded evil men. They did not have any other suggestions other than saying that they support the govt's decision in the best interests of the nation. Regarding the parliament attack, yes, that was a security failure, but they learned from it and put in place an establishment which dealt with the terror later on. They did acknowledge the menace was fomenting trouble in India. They devised tougher laws to arm Police with the investigation of the cases in the form of POTA. POTA was supposed to act as a pre-emptive action. But it was later repealed as you know. And infact, Afzal, in parliament attack case was brought to the book through the same law and in fact the Supreme Court confirmed his death sentence in early 2004. He is not hanged till day citing his petition for mercy. Here is General Ved Prakash Malik, the army head at the time of Kargil specifically talking on the same issue of H-bomb. Look at what he says. I do not know what made you specifically ask for a clarification from a BJP supporter, if not a prejudice. http://ibnlive.in.com/news/need-reassurance-on-nuclear-deter rence-exarmy-chief/100800-3.html "Dharma" is that which upholds, nourishes or supports the stability of the society, maintains the social order and secures the general well-being and progress of man-kind. - Supreme Court of India | ||
| Chivuks Side Hero Username: Chivuks Post Number: 3043 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 59.92.150.140 Rating: N/A |
Santhanam went public first on August 26, saying that the yield from the test was far lower than what prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee's government claimed. Another former AEC chief, P K Iyengar said, ``The government should undertake an active investigation immediately following the statements made by Santhanam in the article. I am feeling really ashamed.'' Regarding a revelation in Santhanam's article that the thermonuclear device had not yet been weaponised like the fission devices, he said: ``How will they do it if they are doubtful about the yield? This itself is a clear indication that the test was not a complete success.'' Both Iyengar and Prasad said the disclosures by Santhanam, that there was no disturbance to the shafts at ground zero, was also proof that the test was unsuccessful. ============================== thermo nuclear device flop, inka ippatiki kuda weaponize avaledanta ... pak used the oppurtunity to go ahead and buy all tech from china BJP vollu enni chesaru ittantivi, pokhran, IA aircraft hijack, parliament attack ....  |
