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     Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 203 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.168.36 Rating: N/A |
There is a good work by Travis Norsen at http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/quant-ph/pdf/0607/0607057v2.pdf on realism -- see how some apparently obvious concepts and statements even from scientists make little sense. | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 202 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.168.36 Rating: N/A |
I guess there is significant amount of firmware preinstalled  or much of the functions( systems software or meta software) that write software later is hardwired I guess it is not the question of primacy may be it can be to know the predisposition before taking up anything | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 201 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.168.36 Rating: N/A |
I agree that behavior and intelligence is function both nature and nurture. but my guess is nature has upper hand. nurtures decides what one takes up or up to but how one does is predominantly decided by nature. | ||
| Truelies Side Hero Username: Truelies Post Number: 2922 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 170.35.208.23 Rating: N/A |
aalasyam amrutham visham nidanamE pradhanamu www.prajarajyam.org - syntax error, unexpected | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4928 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
How about a simplistic analogy - nature provides the hardware and the operating system , nurture the software you build on top Can one be productive without the other - no...h/w is a pre-requisite for the s/w to be built. But s/w is a pre-requisite for the h/w to be productively used . Is one more important than the other - this can only be judged relative to the use the complete system is put to - i.e whether the h/w or s/w has maxed out its potential aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Redplanet Side Hero Username: Redplanet Post Number: 4390 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 24.91.69.137 Rating: N/A |
Pandita putra parama sunta (No offense to anybody) Puli kadupuna chali cheema puttadu kada. Ee rendu opposite and quite famous sayings. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4926 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
The age old nature versus nurture debate My take... Nature may define a lot of things including the number of synapses, both free-floating and pre-wired... Nurture definitely defines perception and basically the learned behavior templates that we use to process information and respond to Intelligence, as I understand it, is a function of both...and nurture takes a bigger role as we start looking at the Emotional intelligence aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 200 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 123.237.216.184 Rating: N/A |
plausible. so do you agree that intelligence,richness of experience and other traits depend on the number open synapses and hence the primacy of nature over nurture. I understand the way they are connected may depend on nurture but while conditions the are same it all depends on nature? | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4925 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Yes - the ability ,the instinct ,and the urge for creation/creativity - the ultimate expression of ego You take the basic principles available, add your imagination to it and create something new that is totally your own... On a physical level , I believe we are born with a number of floating synapses in the brain..these synapses connect as we are exposed to different patterns of cause/effect, perceptions etc...though majority of the synapses connect in the first 12 years (forming the templates I mentioned) , there are still enough free floaters to keep that process going and thus expanding the brain's ability to make sense of new information as well as revisit conclusions made earlier based on a smaller set of templates/patterns aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 175 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 125.16.23.2 Rating: N/A |
tajmaham sobha kee, peda vaadi prema kee chaavu pallaki | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 174 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 125.16.23.2 Rating: N/A |
bhuuta preta pisaacha bhetaala maare jambham jabham jam bham | ||
| Apsrtc Side Hero Username: Apsrtc Post Number: 3217 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 76.104.45.54 Rating: N/A |
boys movie lo AM Ratnam lyrics katthi kataar.. Girl friend song lo. YSR the future of Haritha Andhra Pradesh! | ||
| Apsrtc Side Hero Username: Apsrtc Post Number: 3216 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 76.104.45.54 Rating: N/A |
typo absurb *absurd YSR the future of Haritha Andhra Pradesh! | ||
| Apsrtc Side Hero Username: Apsrtc Post Number: 3215 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 76.104.45.54 Rating: N/A |
wrath: your correlation of the above statement to women sex/intercourse is absurb. tanikella uses that phrase to express the tears in pure happiness and extreme sorrow. When we laugh with extreme happiness and content, our eyes are filled with tears that resemble happiness. Same way when you are in extreme sorrow you end up with tears in your eyes to vent your sorrowness. He said that a true artists work can be measured when someone " Navvina Yedchina Kannille ".. This is true with some Telugu Comedians! YSR the future of Haritha Andhra Pradesh! | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 199 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.168.35 Rating: N/A |
I was not talking about the meaningless sounds used for rhythm and are appealed to our raw senses. I was talking about more about the semantic and higher level of meaning that language can purport. My guess is we can find nonsense in this level . | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 198 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.168.37 Rating: N/A |
right. that's y i say poetry is open to interpretation. but even then I would believe that there is no/less meaning or there is no coherence in what poetry refers. it might look ok if we just see language syntax and lower level semantics. but if we really go deep down analysing it may not make much sense. like i said in my example.... "navvina yedchina kannelle"....it may make sense only when it talks of kanneellu but it may not make much sense if used in conjunction with other sentences. for me more interesting thing worth considering is the ability/lack of it of human mind to come up with this kind of stuff. mind is essentially incomplete i guess... meaning it is open and can fabricate yet another concept beyond whatever the highest number of concepts you can list down. | ||
| Truelies Side Hero Username: Truelies Post Number: 2848 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 170.35.208.23 Rating: N/A |
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| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 202 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.96.252 Rating: N/A |
TL brother, that post was on lighter vein...I was not intending to criticize veturi...I am a big fan of him my self. Nenu bhi telugu medium and I know what shardulam, theethuvu pitta and thaataki mean...overall ga, chaduvuthe and vintunte those lyrics sound funny anduke postaaa anthe... I watched Geethanjali at least 100 times...not only for the greatest music by ilayaraaja but for the superb lyrics of veturi in songs like Oh papa lali, amani padave, jallantha etc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k7U3OPlREI  | ||
| Truelies Side Hero Username: Truelies Post Number: 2845 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 170.35.208.23 Rating: N/A |
meeru theleeka annarO, thelisi annarO naaku theleedu, but its true...meeru ee cinema chusi unte meeku ee sandeham vachedi kaau... ikkada context oka ammayi deyyalu laga vesham vesukoni hero ani scare cheyyali ani (aata pattinchalani) pata paduthundi..daniki mana hero bhayapadakunda reverse lo aame ni scare cheyyadaniki ee pata paduthadu.. adi perfect lyrics for that situation by veturi garu... Thataki is the name of one female rakshasi in puranas. theethuvu pitta = one type of bird last line lo "masajasa thathaga sardula" anEdi telugu grammer. telugu poetry lo utpalama champakamal sardulamu mathebhamu ani four types. indulo sardulamu ane type padyaniki ganalu will be always "ma, sa, ja, sa, ta, ta, ga" for all the four lines. veetitho veturi garu konchem chakku kosam patalo pettaru...anthey... | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 200 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.96.252 Rating: |
 Meeru deenike intha pareshan ayithe, try this. Ddakini dakka mukkala chekka… dambho thinipisthaan… Thataki kanipisthe… thaatalu valichesthaan… Guntari nakka dokkalo chokka… ambho anipisthaan… Nakkanu thokkisthaan… chukkalu thaggisthaan… Rakkisa mattaa… thokkisa gutta pambhe dhulipesthaan… Theethuvu pitta aayuvu chittaa nede thiragesthaan… Rakkasi mattaa… thokkisa gutta pambhe dhulipesthaan… Theethuvu pitta aayuvu chittaa nede thiragesthaan… Vasthaaya phat phat phat phat … Vasthaaya jhat jhat jhat… phat … Kopaala masajasa thathagaa… saarthulaa… Anthaaa raakshasa bhaasha laaga undi...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k7U3OPlREI | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1810 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
I hope i can get to this thread, I have some meaningless rants to share on this subject. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Risingstar Hero Username: Risingstar Post Number: 10073 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 98.225.200.77 Rating: N/A |
idhantha mee own english eena? ekkadinunchi ayuna ^C^P aa  Now everybody using Colour Paper & Colour TV in the House  | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4921 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Meaningfully meaningless antaru  aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Film_fan Side Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 6234 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
anand rasindhi chaduvuthoontey.....ardham ayinaettey undhi......kaani yemi ardharm ayyindhi antey chepalenu..... anthaa mitya....... "Any one who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new" - Einstein | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4920 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Poetry/art relies a lot on metaphors and analogies to express the creators thought.. If you do not understand the metaphor in the same way as the artist - you interpret the piece very differently - what is meaningful to the artist will be uttely meaningless to you Or worse, convey a totally different meaning to you ... are we stepping into subjective perception land here again ? Just like the question above - Aakasam lo sagam - unless we know what the poet means by aakasam , we do not know his intent in saying half of that Navvina edchina kanneelle - could imply like others in the thread said - similar results to different actions, could refer to the limitation of the body to express emotions or even more abstractly the futility of chasing happiness
True - but it makes sense out of unfamiliar stuff by overlaying it on old patterns formed in the brain by past experiences/learning... Hence interpretation/understanding of a new thing is subject to the templates we have in our brain already The ability to find meaning in something depends on how much it fits in with the set of templates we have and how much we can bend/alter or add to those templates So meaning is very subjective to the person processing the information aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Truelies Side Hero Username: Truelies Post Number: 2815 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 170.35.208.23 Rating: N/A |
rendu paraspara viruddha charyala valla oke phalitham (same result) vahche sandarbhallo use chestharu anukonta. Navvu - edupu rendu complete opposite acts, but the result is same. | ||
| Proline Side Hero Username: Proline Post Number: 3393 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 69.250.69.37 Rating: N/A |
which movie? mana lyricists burralu museum lo pethochu..... | ||
| Truelies Side Hero Username: Truelies Post Number: 2814 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 170.35.208.23 Rating: N/A |
Akasam = whole universe..probably means referring to total populatioin, and andulo sagam women.
meeru patani break chesi ee okkaline concentrate chesinattu unnaru.. charanam complete ga chadavandi... Sound gurinchi chadivaamu heartbeat ento teliyaledu light gurinchi chadivamu nee kalla rays ento teliyaledu magnetics chadivamu aakarshanento teliyaledu vidyut gurinchi chadivamu Aavesam ento teliyaledu physics mottam chadivina ardham kaani vishayaalanni nee physic choosina ventane ardham aipoyaaye hopefully it makes somesense now... and last but not least...ippudu vasthunna telugu patallo sahitya viluvala gurinchi ekkuva think cheyyakandi...manasu padavuddi...  | ||
| Film_fan Side Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 6225 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
idhi MARANA MRUDANGAM lo song. muzic by Ilaiyaraja. -- thelusu sir....idhi varlo nacchina paatey..... malle latest ga kooda nacchindhi.....lyrics param ga choodaledhu ani example seppa....anthey..... cinema songs anne super kadha... "Any one who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new" - Einstein | ||
| Basky_indya Hero Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 17158 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 75.185.64.101 Rating: N/A |
idhi MARANA MRUDANGAM lo song. muzic by Ilaiyaraja. Gigantic Techno fuctional Mega Blockbuster Magnum Opus BOMMA | ||
| Film_fan Side Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 6223 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
Actually I wanted talk about our mind in general i guess. I used examples to make the point clear. not sure if i succeeded in that though --- idhi baganey undhi kaani..... ---- How do people really enjoy/appreciate this senselessness or limited sense!? a ---- idhi bagoledhu.....explain cheyyatam kastam......manaki baaga sensible anipinchedhi....avatala vallaki.....shit anipinchocchu kadha......choice antey...... "Any one who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new" - Einstein | ||
| Film_fan Side Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 6222 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
navvina edchina kannilley.... antey ananda bashpaalu link anukunna.....kaadha? akasam lo sagam nenu vinaledhu... ika....physique....physics.....ivanni prasa kosam....instant kick icchey maatalu thappa....andulo.....ardhaalu vetakalem..... monna chiru puttina rojuna....radio lo song vacchindhi.....old song ye.....thega enjoy chesa......lyrics....ki no meaning.... sarigama padainisa....rasa rasa.....idhi kani vini yerugani gusa gusa.... muddu pettu muddu pettu........ila velthundhi song... melody meedha vinna.....orchestra meedha vinna......lyrics vethakoodadhu...ani naa feeling..... "Any one who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new" - Einstein | ||
| Wrathchild Side Hero Username: Wrathchild Post Number: 7426 Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 192.146.101.24 Rating: |
Nisarga, this makes sense..this analogy may be harsh,but it correctly fits in here. Whether a woman willingly participates in intercourse/enjoys pleasure or gets raped, the result is same..she gets pregnant(take other factors as granted)..So it means, two different acts can produce the same result. What is the complete dialogue for akasam lo sagam? | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 173 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 125.16.23.2 Rating: N/A |
may be he was referring to aanandaasruvulu
eee line ki mundu, magnetism, electric shock antuu lines vostaayi. May be he was referring to the attraction between opposite poles | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 196 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.168.36 Rating: N/A |
Actually I wanted talk about our mind in general i guess. I used examples to make the point clear. not sure if i succeeded in that though. | ||
| Diviseema Side Hero Username: Diviseema Post Number: 2399 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 218.248.69.8 Rating: N/A |
//Actually my idea was to touch upon the things like the fluidity with which our mind works...the intentionality of our thought process.... in many cases our intention/extension different from the actually verbalization. there is every chance that our apparently sound logic can actually be false.// Not all the time. Te person who writes this will belive what they right. thats how artists work. when they perform an art , they belive they are doing the best at that time. and they actually wont think beyond that. later they may find its not up to the mark or its real blunder what they did. This happenes very often to every artist, and everytime for RGV. DIviseema Sky gari FAN | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 195 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.168.36 Rating: N/A |
no no. just question adiganu. sometimes manaku konni vishayalu ala leelaga artham authay kani clearga explain cheyyalemu. kadaa? | ||
| Diviseema Side Hero Username: Diviseema Post Number: 2398 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 218.248.69.8 Rating: N/A |
//antey meaning lolona leelaga untunda !!?// thittara. nanem sesanu. DIviseema Sky gari FAN | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 194 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.168.36 Rating: N/A |
Actually my idea was to touch upon the things like the fluidity with which our mind works...the intentionality of our thought process.... in many cases our intention/extension different from the actually verbalization. there is every chance that our apparently sound logic can actually be false. | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 193 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.168.36 Rating: N/A |
good interpretation . kannillu others ka. so kavitvam antha ila open for interpretation and no definite meaning annamata....antey meaning lolona leelaga untunda !!? | ||
| Diviseema Side Hero Username: Diviseema Post Number: 2397 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 218.248.69.8 Rating: N/A |
//Navvina Yedchina Kannille // //Akashamlo sagam // //AAkasaniki Akarshana Sakthi vundhi ani thelusukuni vuntadu.// Ala Akasam lo sangam ayina Ammayi Navvina , Edchina akariki Kanneellu matram manake ani kavi bhavam. DIviseema Sky gari FAN | ||
| Diviseema Side Hero Username: Diviseema Post Number: 2396 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 218.248.69.8 Rating: N/A |
//Akashamlo sagam // //AAkasaniki Akarshana Sakthi vundhi ani thelusukuni vuntadu.// but it works only with woman before ani thelusukoni. AAkasam lo sagam AAdadhi anivuntadu. DIviseema Sky gari FAN | ||
| Diviseema Side Hero Username: Diviseema Post Number: 2395 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 218.248.69.8 Rating: N/A |
//physics motham chadivina artham kani vishayalu nee physique chudaganey artham ayyaye// AAkasaniki Akarshana Sakthi vundhi ani thelusukuni vuntadu. DIviseema Sky gari FAN | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 192 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.168.36 Rating: |
human mind is amazing,fluid,eccentric in expressing its content,making out meaning of the things..situations... I would like to discuss the lack of meaning.....limited meaning..allusions in our daily talk and our literature. lets analyze the following sentences that i came across in tv interviews and lyrics: 1) Navvina Yedchina Kannille I hear Tanikella Bharani say this in a TV interview followed some blah blah. I have no clue as to what does this statement mean? How is it used in conjunction with something !!? does it talk about tears literally? No i guess. Does it talk about any common outcome of different activities and hence can be a conjunction to the sentence it is followed by? i don't find its meaning in anyway. it does not make sense to me. 2) Akashamlo sagam -- referring to the female community. does it make sense? it may make some sense if the sky is used as simile for the whole population. but somehow i feel it is unnatural comparison. I have listened to a Telugu song recently...the lyric goes like this... "physics motham chadivina artham kani vishayalu nee physique chudaganey artham ayyaye" -- what is he talking about ! does it make any sense? what is it that he did understand upon seeing her physique!! ok lets not take it literally. lets say he is talking about the greatness of her physique...how on the earth a great physique can help understand the stuff that could not be understood by physics. does the comparison make sense at all? to elevate something he makes strange comparisons which have no meaning at all. Try to find the meaning and the real dormant intentions/extensions in the talk of our TV anchors or in our daily talk ..it would be fun. I guess most of the literature(poetry in particular) has this meaninglessness..or limited/improper meaning or allusions which make less or no sense. more so with film songs. they are funny...they don't make much sense at all. I have lost interest and respect for poetry. i used to read atmasraya or bhava kavitvam of telugu poets like Aphsar,Mo( vegunta mohana prasad), shivareddy, tripuraneni srinivas and many more... but now I cannot enjoy or apriciate poetry itself anymore. it does not make much sense to me. Ok...now the question is why/how does our brain/mind come up with that nonsense or limited sense? I guess it is due to the very property of intentionality of our thought process... meaning thought cannot play with and connect the abstract concepts. the connections..or of that mental content may not actually refer to anything in real. How do people really enjoy/appreciate this senselessness or limited sense!? a interested parties are welcome to discuss. |
