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     Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1607 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 75.139.54.111 Rating: N/A |
anand garu, yes, you are correct there are different schools of thought, I thought of mentioning these in my earlier post too, but did not include different schools of thought. when I said "The primary difference in the views here is, according to Hindu's "Everything is God", I was referring to the two views I considered as examples in the paragraph above it. I did not intend to say that there is only one school of thought in hinduism. I should have made that clear.
though you cited it in a lighter note, it does have a good point, definetly, according to the view where "Everything is God", every body is a part of the supreme soul, which include Muhammad, and any other being. but, here the issue is whether he is an avatar of vishnu according to hindu scriptures qouted. this brings up another interesting argument I had with a christian friend of mine. i will post the details at a later time. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4824 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Could simply be imagination or visions - or artist representation of a concept 
Meditation does not have to be on God, the more common meditation is on Self.. Shiva is the mahayogi and the ishtadaivam for those yearning Self-Realization
Moral of the story : People in glasshouses should not throw stones at others windows  Everyone finds a justification for the "unacceptable" facts in their own faiths so why bother arguing about one is better than the other in mythology
Not necessarily .. the concept of God is different within various schools of Hinduism Advaita - lo meeru cheppina concept correct, but Dvaita and Vishista Advaita have different concepts featuring a creationist Supreme God similar to Abrahamic religions Then there is the sakara, nirakara , saguna, nirguna concepts too ... So to attribute one concept of God to Hinduism may be incorrect On a lighter note, since we say "everything is God" this guy is saying Mohammed is your God aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1601 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 75.139.54.111 Rating: N/A |
lets move back a bit, and see what "God" means here? If we chose to analyze anatomically, the meaning god has alot of variations, across hindu scriptures, and this is different to what/who is considered "God" in middle eastern abrahimic religions. To Hindus, the word "God" is applied to anything physical, meta-physical, mythical entities, where as "God" in middle eastern abrahimic religions is the supreme lord, the supreme ruler of this universe. The primary difference in the view stems from what the basic myth about what/who "God" is. If we use the basic myth that "God" is in nature, not a seperate entity that governs/rules nature, and allow our decisions based on this myth, it makes us believe that a prayer offered to any thing that is part of nature as valid, as ultimately everything is god, as god is everywhere and is in everything, including humans, and other living beings. If we use the basic myth that "God" is an entity seperate from the universe, and is the ruler of the universe, the prayers offered to anything but this seperate entity appears stupid, and if we take it extreme as blashpemous. The primary difference in the views here is, according to Hindu's "Everything is God", and other abrahimic religions is "Evertying is God's". this basic difference opens up a wide range of "Do's" and "Dont's" surrounding "GOD". For instance "Guru Brahma, Guru Vishnu, Guru Maheshwara" is saying Guru is equal to the "trinity", making him equal to God. this does not appear wrong to hindus, but it will appear blasphemous to people who believe "God" is supreme ruler. no human can be equal to "God", according to this idea, infact a statement "Guru is Jesus" will be a blasphemy, but "Jesus is the Guru" is appropriate according to this idea. apart from this basic difference in the idea of "God" there are many other basic definitions that vary across these religions which are the reason for the most deductive "Do's" and "Dont's". Coming back to your questions, >>Did the Vedas or any holy scriptures mention anywhere the form or image of God ? This is not a simple question, as what "God" is in reference here. If we are considering the supreme soul(Brahman) here, the Rig Veda does give a a definition which essentially tells that is ultimately indescribable in a language. there is "Shakthi", which is in essence an energy that is the giver of live, which also does not have a shape/image. Now the images are usually considered manifestations of this inexplicable "Supreme Soul", and this like you said are creations of impressions of an artist. offering prayers to these images is in accordance with the basic myth that the supreme soul is transient, and essentially he is everywhere, as is also supported by stories like prahlada, who worships vishnu with no imagery and eventually vishnu appears out of a pillar in the form of "Narasimha". well, there are other "Gods" too, they are essentially are referred to as "Deva's", who are more like manifestations of the supreme soul in the form of entities, for various causes. here is where i fail to contemplate as to what the role of these "Gods" are. nevertheless they all pray to the adhi shakthi, or the brahman(like you have asked why does shiva meditate to the supreme god, why does he have to?). is there a necessity to pray to these gods, instead of the supreme soul? this is where the trouble starts
I would say a debate based of such arguments would be futile, as we are basing our deductions based of what is right and what is wrong. right/wrong is usually a perception based on various beliefs you already carry. before anyone can carry a meaningful discussion on these issues, there should be a common ground from where a debate is started. in arguments such as above, there cannot be a common ground from where we can understand the views of the others. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 65 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 76.107.202.241 Rating: N/A |
anand garu, 1. How did this image of GOD come in first? Did the Vedas or any holy scriptures mention anywhere the form or image of God ? I think that these were the imaginations of the scholars based on what is written in vedas or any other holy scriptures? ex. In Bhagavd Gita Krishna comes to his complete form before Arjuna with 10 hands and arms in them, based on this saying or verse on Bhagavad Gita, the painters, sculptures imagined them and drew or carved them. The gods what we have in our Puja Mandir is the imagination of the painter and not necessarily the true form? What is the point in praying to the imagination of the painter? I think we are praying the God through the painters imagination ? Today we see different beautiful images of gods...these are nothing but the imagination of painter and we are praying the painters imagination and making him a prophet ? From where did this image of God come from ? All these images are stored in our subconscious mind that we cannot ignore them. In one way it’s very good as Idol worship or image worship has created an impact in our mind sub consciously and I see it as a benefit. 2. We know that Lord Shiva was a great meditator. According to our puranas, we learnt that he used to go to Himalayas and do tapasya. Lord Shiva went to Himalayas to meditate GOD. Does that imply that he is not god? If Shiva went to meditate to pray god logically he is not god? We can’t claim that a God went to meditate for another God? So is the case with many other gods in Hinduism who themselves meditated for the true god and hence we should pray that true and only god and not the gods who meditate to see real god. 3. When I want to argue with Muslims one of the common point raised by Hindus is that Prophet Mohammad married a nine year old girl and so we claim that how can a prophet of a religion marry a nine year old girl and if he does, how can he be prophet? The immediate answer by Muslims would be that Krishna romanced with 16000 gopikas, had 8 wives and he preached bhagavad gita which is the holy scripture to Hindus so why cant prophet Mohammad marry a nine year old girl? To add further spice they say that Draupadi who is sister of lord Krishna had five husbands ? How de we answer this complex situation? Hindus and Jews will rule the world | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4819 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Another representation of Shiva and Sakti - Siva is the Sun and Parvati is the Moon .. also representative of day and night aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 115 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.238.50 Rating: N/A |
Anni baagunnayi kaani ee Sun-Moon duality concept entandi? | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4813 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
That too : ) It represents all duality.. Purusa-prakriti Atma - Paramatma Consciousness - Intellect Sun - Moon Male - Female aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4811 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Buddha was accepted as an avatar - Hindus have not mass converted to Buddhism aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 114 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.238.50 Rating: N/A |
I thought its the merger of Purusha and Prakrithi. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4810 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
DEC 21, 2012 as per Ashton aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 113 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.238.50 Rating: N/A |
10 avtars is according to Garuda purana and 25 avatars is according to Bhagavatha purana. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4809 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
OK let me answer the Ayyappa portion first .. the story goes that when Shiva was pursued by Bhasmasura, Vishnu came to the rescue byt taking the form of Mohini to distract and fool Bhasmasura into annihilating himself. Shiva then got entranced by Mohini and Ayyappa is their son - hence Harihara roopa HariHara is I think just an effort to bring the two sects who exclusively view either Vishnu or Shiva as Supreme , together and show them as parts/ forms of the same Supreme Lord ... there is no particular legend that I am aware of ... Ardhanareeswara is a very profound concept of merger of the Atman with the Brahman aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Lionswalkalone Side Hero Username: Lionswalkalone Post Number: 2894 Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 75.209.91.57 Rating: N/A |
Exactly; That's the point... As per Islam, there can never be another messenger of god, as Muhammad is the last one.. Now, by equating Muhammad with Kalki, they are trying to propagate that Hindus should essentially take up Islam and they don't have a choice.... | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 63 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 76.107.202.241 Rating: N/A |
MS garu, you mentioned 25 avatars instead of 10. Which one is correct 10 or 25 ? Do you believe that the 25th avatar which is Kalki is Prophet Mohammad ? Hindus and Jews will rule the world | ||
| Telugu_times Hero Username: Telugu_times Post Number: 14166 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.240.222.129 Rating: N/A |
Why should there be the last messenger of god, to begin with? The world is not ending so soon, why cant we have some more messengers of god? the ahmediya muslims in pak have their own messenger. that is why, they are persecuted there. It was more under zia and continuing. | ||
| Telugu_times Hero Username: Telugu_times Post Number: 14165 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.240.222.129 Rating: N/A |
several years ago, i read many articles of a pakistani muslim guy, (who lives in UK). his name is anwar sheik or something like that. Ofcourse, kurrodiki death penalty esthey, underground lo undayvaadu. He wrote many such things with examples in his writings. | ||
| Lionswalkalone Side Hero Username: Lionswalkalone Post Number: 2891 Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 75.209.91.57 Rating: N/A |
Well, I'm not very sure, but as far as I know, he considered himself as a messenger of God and never equated himself with God. | ||
| Lionswalkalone Side Hero Username: Lionswalkalone Post Number: 2890 Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 75.209.91.57 Rating: N/A |
Yes, but Islam does not believe in the existence of a human form of god...as a matter of fact any form of god... Muhammad is a messenger, nothing more. He is not "Allah" or his Avatar... It would be interesting to hear what Zakir Naik has to say regarding this.. | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 62 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 76.107.202.241 Rating: N/A |
True. Prophet Mohammad is only a messenger of God and he is a human being. Same is the case with avatar. avatar is humanly form of god that came to earth to establish DHARMA may be through non violence or violence. Prophet Mohammad established the so called the righteousness (which they claim as "ISLAM") through wars and spread it across. Hindus and Jews will rule the world | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 111 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.238.50 Rating: N/A |
I never heard of any god called harihara! please educate me. I only heard about ayyappa being called as harihara roopa but I think he was not literally half shiva and half vishnu. Arthanareeshwara is an amazing concept though. | ||
| Telugu_times Hero Username: Telugu_times Post Number: 14163 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.240.222.129 Rating: N/A |
There are instances in their book, where he put himself above the god. | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 110 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.238.50 Rating: N/A |
Ante hindu religious concepts anevi are the eternal truths of cosmos kada and all those truths are written in vedas. I meant to say that all those truths were there even before earth formed. The spiritual aspirants and all those great rishis might have realized those truths through yoga and wrote them in vedas. Anduke alaa anna. Ofcourse human contribution anedi kooda vunde untundi especially in later vedas. But mythology is pure story creation. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4808 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Agree logically And yeah somewhere in this thread we were earlier wondering why Venkanna, Satyanarayana swami, Mohini do not make the cut as the primary avataras .. So what is the criteria - the duration of that form, the purpose or just someone selected a set of stories that appealed to them to carry forward That is how most scriptures evolve The more interesting one is Hari Hara - half Vishnu, half Shiva Different representations of Duality Purusa- Prakriti Vaishnavism lo Nara Narayana Shiva/shakti mythology lo Ardhanareeswara Very abstract concepts explained using imagery aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1599 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 75.139.54.111 Rating: N/A |
lwa brother, it gets tricky, an avathara does not have to mean that its a direct descent. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4806 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
I agree with you on this but not on the following statement
I think these were created by humans too aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1598 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 75.139.54.111 Rating: N/A |
Anand garu, I am not sure if i am missing anything, but this does not mean that there should not be incarnations other wise right? whenever there is adharma, there will be an avatar of vishnu to eliminate the evil, but does it also mean there will be no incarnations otherwise? also to my understand the dasavathara are merely ranked by disciples, or is it presaid some where in the puranas that there is a limit to the number of avataras. as far as i know these are the various avataras. here are some of them, Catursana (the four Kumaras, sons of Brahma Sanaka, Sanatana, Sanandana and Sanatkumara.) Narada Varaha Matsya Yajna Nara-Narayana Kapila Dattatreya Hayasirsa Hamsa Prasnigarbha Rishabha Prithu Narasimha Kurma Dhanvantari Mohini Vamana Parasurama Raghavendra Vyasa Balarama Krishna Buddha Kalki usually the avataras are categorised as primary, secondary, and this was vehemently opposed by madhavacharya and his disciples, but nonetheless they are still categorized in these ways. there is also another type of category, purnavathara - direct discent amsarupa avathara - only partial manifestation (like parasurama) parasurama is the only amsarupa avathara considered a primary avathar. there are again two categories in amsarupa avathara, one where he enters the soul of another body(parasurama), and the other where he does not enter the body, but transfers his powers(vedavyasa). the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 109 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.238.50 Rating: N/A |
I think Rama and Krishna were probably great kings of vedic times. They might have done some great things for the upliftment of their society and might have brought some order to the society and propounded some dharmic principles to the people. In later generations, their ardent fans might have deified them (which happens in our society frequently...look some other threads in this DB ). Same goes with other sages like vishwamitra etc. As each century passed by the greatness of these gods and sages has gotten accumulated and now they are considered as gods. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4805 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
I know many devout Hindus who do not do ritualistic idol worship.. Does not mean they will not pay respects if they go to a temple or another's house or spurn idols but they see God in themselves and people around them ..and only dhyanam chesukuntaru DB lo I recall Iamim mentioned he only does the Gayatri mantra dhyanam aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Lionswalkalone Side Hero Username: Lionswalkalone Post Number: 2883 Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 75.209.91.57 Rating: N/A |
Muslims do not consider Muhammad as God...He is just a messenger of good..Even quran advocates the same, I believe.. How does that explain Muhammad being the 10th avatar of Lord Vishnu? | ||
| Lionswalkalone Side Hero Username: Lionswalkalone Post Number: 2882 Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 75.209.91.57 Rating: N/A |
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| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 61 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 76.107.202.241 Rating: N/A |
Ishan, the reason I believe that Ramayana and Mahabharata are true is because if there was no Mahabharata where and how did bhagavad gita come from ? if there was no ramayana where and how did the Gayatri Mantra come from ? Gayatri Mantra was preached by Vishwamitra who belonged to the age of Rama (Correct me if I am wrong) so naturally I think these are not just fairy tales but they were true. If these were false then what is the point in going to Bhadrachalam for sri rama navami when there is no Rama at first ? If these were false then why would there be temples in Ayodhya, Dwaraka, Bhadrachalam etc etc.... Hindus and Jews will rule the world | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 60 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 76.107.202.241 Rating: N/A |
To all who read this Discussion Thread, Is there any Hindu in this discussion board who does not do "IDOL WORSHIP". or Is there any Hindu who has reached a stage where he worships without idols ? or have you met anyone in your life a Hindu who does not do idol worship other than the people affiliated to Brahmo Samaj or Arya Samaj ? I would like to know his way of worshiping god ? Hindus and Jews will rule the world | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 108 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.238.50 Rating: N/A |
I don't see anything wrong in idol worship. It has several advantages. 1. It is very difficult to worship almighty with out a form. When you close your eyes and want to pray to god, your mind needs an image. Even for yoga and meditation we need a symbol like Om. 2. It is a very effective way of communicating to god. When you want to say something to god, you can look at the idol talk to him/her straight. It might not respond, but the silece gives a hope that the god will respond soon. 3. Idol worship helps you focus and channelize enrgies properly. 4. Puranas say even gods worship other gods through idols such as Rama worshipping shiva linga etc.
I dont know, I am 50-50 on this one. But there are some positives in both stories. But I never liked the character of Rama. Mahabharatha is better because of geetha and some extraordinary characters like bheeshma. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4804 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Not just Islam, Christianity, Judaism and Sikhism too Shaivism/Sakthism too goes to nirguna, nirakara Brahma concept They start with form and go to formless once all fear and illusion is stripped off aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 59 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 76.107.202.241 Rating: N/A |
Hello Ishan, Isn't this what Islam preaches ?? Swami Vivekananda mentions about the God as formless too. But Hindus worship god through Idols. We worship formless through the form.
Ishan, Do you personally believe that Mahabharata and Ramayana ever happened in the history ?? I believe they happened. Hindus and Jews will rule the world | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4803 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Nah, I am least concerned about Mohammad - we have the homegrown Kalki Bhagavan I asked cos I have had this same question in my mind for a long time about Balarama/Buddha... Yada yada hi dharmasya glanirbhavati Bharatha Abhyuthanam adharmasya tadathmanam srijamyaham Parithranaya sadhunam vinashayacha dushkritham Dharma samsthapanarthaya sambhavami yuge yuge This is the trigger for the avataras kada So what is the raison d'etre for Balarama to coexist with Krishna in the same area when Krishna was already there to take care of Dharma ? Another contradiction- I have heard a theory that Rama and PArashurama coexisted hence, neither was fully aware of being Vishnu, but Krishna is a complete/solo avatara and was fully cognizant of being Vishnu If it is Buddha , what was the adharma/evil he removed? He went against ritualistic Vedic practices and a creationist God - the cornerstones of Vaishnavism kada aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 58 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 76.107.202.241 Rating: N/A |
May be every avatar has a function or a duty to be performed. Like Rama to give able administration to his country men, have one wife, be a noble king and kill ravana. Krishna avatar has some functions/duties to be performed. similarly, Kalki duty is to vanquish evil and vanquishing of evil need not be a mandatory quality of every avatar. Hindus and Jews will rule the world | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1577 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
Infact, I posed it as a question rather than a statement that disproves the claim of Muhammad being Kalki. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1576 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
Anand garu, I did not imply vanquishing evil is a necessary qualification for an avatar. In the url New_user_for_Iamim has posted, there was a reference to scriptures, which stated that this avatar is going to destroy the evil, which I used in the case of Muhammad. Balarama, Buddha is an intersting discussion, I will try to do some research on it. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 107 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.96.252 Rating: N/A |
Good question | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4802 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
By this token , how do either Balrama or Buddha qualify ? Did Balarama vanquish any great evil and what evil did Buddha root out ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 105 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.96.252 Rating: N/A |
If you cant differentiate Mythology from the religion, then confusion generates. Mythology is a human creation where as religious principles are created by a non-human power. Mythology was created based on the religious principles to make people understand those principles.
Mythology is Myth. Dont ask for proofs for that. The sole purpose of avatars is to tell people that god comes down to earth to show the right path to humans and reaffirm his supremacy. It just ends there. You dont have to worship Rama or Krishna if you dont like them, You dont even have to worship any god for the matter of fact. You can just worship the nirakaara Brahman in its pure formless existence.
Any human being who attained Moksha can be classified as an avatar of god. Moksha it self means he/she have broken all the bondages of this world and became one with the ultimate. If mohammed attained Moksha (which I really doubt), then yes he could be an avatar of the ultimate as well.
Many of them are. But that blindness exists in all religions.
Why should everybody pray to god in the same manner? Thats the beauty of hinduism. Thats the liberty given by vedas. The whole purpose of hinduism is unity in diversity. The idea is to see god in everything around us. Everything is god - mother, father, a guest, a monkey, a pig, a rat, an elephant, a bird, a rock, a lion, a tiger, a baby, a cow, a bull, a peacock, a beggar, a scavenger, a king, a priest, a casanova, a thief etc. Isnt it wonderful that such freedom exists in a religion. Isnt that the reason why India existed as ONE country for centuries despite of the presence of so many religions and cultures? Compare with other countries and civilizations, you will realize. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4799 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Yeah - I've stopped going into that discussion of common roots in DB because that opens the whole other can of worms - of location/chronology of composition of Vedas/Gathas , boundaries of erstwhile Bharatvarsha , even the polar disposition of the earth in that periodaa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4798 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
No, I think it is because various faiths/religions that evolved separately were later packaged together as one religion and called Hinduism Not all these faiths blend seamlessly , so bridges and similarities either evolved or were deliberately put in place...e.g. dasa mahavidyas / dasavataras 2. Most of the hinduism is just like fairy tale stories ? Are these all true ? or should we just blindly follow them.. Like the avatars of Vishnu ? Do we have any proofs for all these theories ? Religion is propagated via mythology ... and mythology is usually a little history with a lot of aggrandisement, distortion and exaggeration to attribute divinity and super powers based on the social situation of the time.. so I look at them as moral science stories more than history. Proof unte fact avutundi kada , theory enduku antamu 3. Today most of hindus pray shirdi Sai Baba but he is not any avatar of any of our gods although some say that he is the avatar of Datthatreya.. Perfect example of evolution of Gods Every new significant "divine" entity is and will will be absorbed / included into existing structure to reduce conflict in the followers minds Chritianity lo sainthoods , manamu direct ga Godhood istamu Just like Buddha and Sai Baba , all the avataras could have been compiled similarly - though people later found parallels with evolution - I also read a piece that said the chronology of the avataras is not the same 4. Are hindus blind believers and blind followers ? Aren't all religious believers/followers blind ? We don't see God but we believe I don't think there is any difference between religions on that front 5. No two families pray god in the same way though they worship in a similar way ?? too much of liberty in praying to god.though we say that we pray different gods at the end we claim that "God is One" Hinduism has the concept of personal God /ishtadaivam ...everyone sees God the way that appeals to them The idea was that everyone pick one God and follow thru faithfully - but the fickle human nature makes people flit from one God to other - or to be on the safe side and pray to all Swarna kamalam cinemalo joke gurtu vachindi - "andaru devudlaki mokkute , prati devudu na party kadu ani vadilestaru " aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1575 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
my post was on a lighter note, but yes muhammad's parents were not jews(by race), or christians by choice. muhammad's parents were actually idol worshippers. there is a belief that though the preaching of abraham(and co) has reached middle east by then, muhammad's parents still continued idol worhips, that qualifies them as pagans. most islamic scholars believe he is from qurieshi family, and there is some debate he might be belonging to wood family. the qurieshi's were in some way attributed to hindu tribes in middle east(most of it is speculation though) coming back to who were hindu's in middle east, it is highly debatable, as there is no clear distinction of what hindu tribes are and what are not hindu tribes. mostly those days tribes where geographical based, rather than grouping them as belonging to a particular religion. religion is a relatively newer concept. to me there is one fundamental flaw in the theory, hindu scriptures proclaiming muhammad as avatar, the avatar should be a warrior(which muhammad was), but which evil did he destroy? are the description of the evil in the scriptures and the enemies of muhammad same? muhammad fought his wars mostly against jewish tribes, and to think that he defeated evil is not right, as jews still hold jerusalem. so he did not defeat the devil(if jews are the devil). infact according to islam jews are not evil,they are the chosen ones, but they diverted from gods word. to me apart from he being a warrior, and excellent horse rider, and many other deductions there is no other reason to believe they are the same. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 57 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 76.107.202.241 Rating: N/A |
MS garu, Is it because, there was no Islam before him ? But he could be a Parsi also if not hindu ? He could be a Jew or a Christian ? I have read somewhere that there were some tribes in middle east before Islam came into existence. Were they belonging to Hinduism ? Kalki Purana says that "the Hindu text of Kalki Purana comprises of 6100 verses describing the birth, marriage, battles and the death of Kalki, who is considered the last Avtar or incarnation of Vishnu or the Supreme Being, who will establish the Age of Truth or Age of Purity on Earth. The text is essentially a spiritual text, although the verses described here are primarily concerned with the wars and various events in the life of Kalki. As agreed by all the religious prophecies, the Awaited One will not be a man of peace like Jesus Christ or Buddha, but a man of war who will destroy evil and establish righteousness on the earth." So according to Kalski Purana the last avatar of Vishnu was Prophet Mohammad only because he was the one who fought and spread Islam by winning wars. Hindus and Jews will rule the world | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1569 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
just adding more to this confusion founders of middle eastern religions abraham, sarah(also known as sarai), are too close to Brahma and sarayu(Saraswati devi) to be considered as coincidences. abraham and sarah were half sibling, the relation between brahma and saraswati is also is similar but there are differences in the way relations are described. ila choosukuntu pothu, you will find lots of similarities.but why care, we live in a world of myths, and truth is a perspective. if you really want to understand the evolution of religions, i would bet that the best way to do it is follow the linguistic evolution. in my view language is the key entity that propagated the myths and ideas among various people. if we can understand how each language has created, propogated we can follow how ideas(and myths) propagated. for every new idea we come up with, we use an existing idea however remotely they might be connected. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1568 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
idhi zakir naik kaadhu first cheppindhi Guru Nanak, the founder of Sikhism, viewed Muhammad as an agent of the Hindu supreme being Brahman. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1566 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
prophet mohammad comes from a hindu family  the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Voldemort Junior Artist Username: Voldemort Post Number: 171 Registered: 07-2009 Posted From: 65.184.24.119 Rating: N/A |
first of all Hinduism is not RELIGION, it's a way of LIVING adi telusukuntee nee question/doubts ki answer dorukutundhi | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 56 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 76.107.202.241 Rating: |
Anand Garu, 1. Hinduism is the most confusion religion on the earth ? I think due to this confusion many people converted to other religions.. 2. Most of the hinduism is just like fairy tale stories ? Are these all true ? or should we just blindly follow them.. Like the avatars of Vishnu ? Do we have any proofs for all these theories ? 3. Today most of hindus pray shirdi Sai Baba but he is not any avatar of any of our gods although some say that he is the avatar of Datthatreya.. 4. Are hindus blind believers and blind followers ? 5. No two families pray god in the same way though they worship in a similar way ?? too much of liberty in praying to god.though we say that we pray different gods at the end we claim that "God is One" Hindus and Jews will rule the world | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 103 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.89.191.79 Rating: N/A |
Again many theories exist here. Shaivites claim that SHiva took the form of Sharabha (looks like a mixture of bird snake and other animals) and actually killed Narasimha when he refused to pacify. Ika chenchulaxmi movie lo chenchulaxmi (ofcourse a form of laxmi) calms him down by falling in love with him. | ||
| Voldemort Junior Artist Username: Voldemort Post Number: 161 Registered: 07-2009 Posted From: 65.184.24.119 Rating: N/A |
right after Narasimha avataram satyanaraya swami avataram an chadivinatu gurthu , when Prahallad try to please ugra narasimha , ugra narasimha swamy in shantimpacheyadniki devatalu prahalladudin ni koratharu appudu sri maha vishnu satya narayana swamy avataram etutharu ani chadivanu | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4794 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Correction 9th avatara not 8th. aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4793 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Venkanna, Mohini,Satyanarayana swami.. veellanta dasavatarala lekka loki raru , enduko telidu aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Voldemort Junior Artist Username: Voldemort Post Number: 160 Registered: 07-2009 Posted From: 65.184.24.119 Rating: N/A |
Tappu tappu Tappu buddha , balarama are not avatars of sri maha vishnu , evariki tochindhi vallu rasukuntunaru maa venkanna sangathi emiti ?? ekkadaaa rayaledu emiti | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4791 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
http://www.templenet.com/beliefs/dasavatar.htm Buddha/Balarama are the two variations of the 8th avatara aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Voldemort Junior Artist Username: Voldemort Post Number: 159 Registered: 07-2009 Posted From: 65.184.24.119 Rating: N/A |
peddaa buss idi akkada venkanna edi ??? buddha vishu eti , balarama vishnu enti balarama is the seshu the snake kadaaa ??? Laxman lagaa tammudi laa putadu Rama Avataram lo ani kavalani balaramudini anna laa putistadu kadaa sri maha vishnu | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4790 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
TT, For you http://www.adishakti.org/subtle_system/agnya_chakra.htm aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4789 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Don't worry soon both will be absorbed as avataras of Vishnu Sometime back I was reading up on Chakra theory and came across a site of a famous guru who decided to make the theory more marketable by putting Christ as the lord of the Ajna chakra(consciousness) in place of Shiva aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Telugu_times Hero Username: Telugu_times Post Number: 14158 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.240.222.129 Rating: N/A |
christ 2000 yrs ago prof mohd 1400 yrs ago | ||
| Indian Junior Artist Username: Indian Post Number: 746 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 99.177.92.251 Rating: N/A |
Prophet Mohd time was just a few centuries before birth of Christ/// wrong ..not before Christ, it is after | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4787 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Yeah , there is a lot of literature on the evolution of theology If you dig a little deeper and look at the way the scriptures and the mythology evolved , you can see the subtle powerplay between the various sects..had it not been for latter day saints like Sankaracharya , all these would have gone their own separate ways But for the purposes of spirituality, Siva-sakti mythology and its explanation of purusa-prakriti interplay, has the most beautiful allegorical references Vaishnav mythology in my mind does not come close to the sublime imagery of the Shiva-Sakti concept aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 102 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.89.191.79 Rating: N/A |
Here is some more info from Encyclopedia Britannica The history of Hinduism » Early Hinduism (2nd century bce–4th century ce) » The rise of the major sects: Vaishnavism, Shaivism, and Shaktism The Vedic god Rudra gained importance from the end of the Rigvedic period. In the Svetashvatara Upanishad, Rudra is for the first time called Shiva and is described as the creator, preserver, and destroyer of the universe. His followers are called on to worship him with devotion (bhakti). The tendency for the laity to form themselves into religious guilds or societies—evident in the case of the yaksha cults, Buddhism, and Jainism—promoted the growth of devotional Vaishnavism and Shaivism. These local associations of worshipers appear to have been a principal factor in the spread of the new cults. Theistic ascetics are less in evidence at this time, though a community of Shaivite monks, the Pashupatas, existed by the 2nd or 3rd century ce. The period between the fall of the Mauryan empire (c. 185 bce) and the rise of the Gupta dynasty (c. 320 ce) was one of great change, including the conquest of most of the area of Pakistan and parts of western India by a succession of invaders. India was opened to influence from the West as never before, not only by invaders but also through flourishing maritime trade with the Roman Empire. The effects of the new contacts were most obvious in art and architecture. The oldest freestanding stone temple in the subcontinent has been excavated at Taxila, near Rawalpindi, Pak. During the 1st century bce the Gandhara school of sculpture arose in the same region and made use of Hellenistic and Roman prototypes, mainly in the service of Buddhism. Hindu temples of the period probably were made of wood, because no remains of them have survived; however, literary evidence shows that they must have existed. By the time of the early Gupta empire the new theism had been harmonized with the old Vedic religion, and two of the main branches of Hinduism were fully recognized. The Vaishnavas had the support of the Gupta emperors, who took the title paramabhagavata (“supreme devotee of Vishnuâ€). Vishnu temples were numerous, and the doctrine of Vishnu’s avatars (incarnations) was widely accepted. Of the 10 incarnations of later Vaishnavism, however, only two seem to have been much worshipped in the Gupta period (4th–6th century). These were Krishna, the hero of the Mahabharata, who also begins to appear in his pastoral aspect as the cowherd and flute player, and Varaha, the divine boar, of whom several impressive images survive from the Gupta period. The Shaivites were also a growing force in the religious life of India. The sect of Pashupata ascetics, founded by Lakulisha (or Nahulisha), who lived in the 2nd century ce, is attested by inscriptions from the 5th century; it is among the earliest of the sectarian religious orders of Hinduism. Representations of the son of Shiva, Skanda (also called Karttikeya, the war god), appeared as early as 100 bce on coins from the Kushan dynasty, which ruled northern India, Afghanistan, and Central Asia in the first three centuries of the Common Era. Shiva’s other son, the elephant-headed Ganesha, patron deity of commercial and literary enterprises, did not appear until the 5th century. Very important in this period was Surya, the sun god, in whose honour temples were built, though in modern times he is little regarded by most Hindus. The solar cult had Vedic roots but later may have expanded under Iranian influence. Vishnu with his consort Lakshmi, from the temple dedicated to Parsvanatha in the eastern temple … [Credits : © Anthony Cassidy]Several goddesses gained importance in this period. Although goddesses had always been worshipped in local and popular cults, they play comparatively minor roles in Vedic religion. Lakshmi, or Shri, goddess of fortune and consort of Vishnu, was worshipped before the beginning of the Common Era, and several lesser goddesses are attested from the Gupta period. But the cult of Durga, the consort of Shiva, began to gain importance only in the 4th century, and the large-scale development of Shaktism (devotion to the active, creative principle personified as the mother goddess) did not take place until medieval times. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4786 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
That is what I think too - even that they developed individually in probably disparate geographic locations and then over a period there was a concerted effort to put all of them together Its interesting to look at scripture from a history perspective aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 101 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.89.191.79 Rating: N/A |
Shaktism seems to be the oldest, then came shaivism and then vaishnavism. This is an excerpt from wikipedia. The roots of Shaktism penetrate deep into India's prehistory. From the Goddess's earliest known appearance in Indian paleolithic settlements more than 22,000 years ago, through the refinement of her cult in the Indus Valley Civilization, her partial eclipse during the Vedic period, and her subsequent resurfacing and expansion in the classical Sanskrit tradition, it has been suggested that, in many ways, "the history of the Hindu tradition can be seen as a reemergence of the feminine. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4785 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
And then there is an interpretation that correlates of Rudra to Shiva, and Brahmanaspati to Ganesha aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4784 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
That is what I meant - Vishnu does not make the top tier .. I have heard different combinations of Indra, Agni, Rudra, Brahmanaspati, Varuna, Mitra mentioned in the top rung but not Vishnu ... I have also heard an explanation that Savitr/Sun is interchangeable with Vishnu which is also inconsistent.. because there are separate mentions of both. aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ustad Comedian Username: Ustad Post Number: 1952 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 67.163.198.130 Rating: N/A |
This is good....all muslims can convert and become Hindus  Struggle is nature's way of strengthening | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 100 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.89.191.79 Rating: N/A |
Thats not correct anand. Vishnu was mentioned in Rig veda. But apparently agni and indra were the chief gods. The chief gods of the Rig-Veda are Agni, the sacrificial fire, Indra, a heroic god that is praised for having slain his enemy Vrtra, and Soma, the sacred potion, or the plant it is made from. Other prominent gods are Mitra, Varuna and Ushas (the dawn). Also invoked are Savitar, Vishnu, Rudra, Pushan, Brhaspati, Brahmanaspati, Dyaus Pita (the sky), Prithivi (the earth), Surya (the sun), Savitar, Vayu (the wind), the Maruts, the Asvins, the Adityas, the Rbhus, the Vishvadevas (the all-gods) as well as various further minor gods, persons, concepts, phenomena and items. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4783 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Yes,it is very interesting as you dig deeper into mythology and chronology I am inclined to think declaring Buddha as a Vishnu Avatar was a later day political move to stop the attrition from Hinduism...After all Buddhism started to break away from the prevalent Hindu/Vedic practises... Coming to Ishan's post on Krishna being the Supreme /not Vishnu... interestingly Rig Veda does not feature either as one of the five foremost Gods ... I have also read that the Bhakti movement originated in the Ganga belt with Radha..Krishna... So could this have been a later merger of two schools of thought ? Another parallel track is the Siva-Sakthi lore... for each avatara of vishnu there is an equivalent Saktiroopa - the Dasa Mahavidyas...with Kali being the equivalent of Krishna Chaduvutunte chala interesting ga untundi - why different deities and then trying to correlate these ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 99 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.89.191.79 Rating: N/A |
Found this info in some article. Its kind of interesting how balarama is conceived as an avatar of vishnu. Isnt he supposed to be an avatar of sheshnagu (the one who incarnated as lakshman?) Its also interesting that some consider krishna as the original and vishnu as an avatar! There are many incarnations of Vishnu of which the Dasavatar or the ten incarnations are the most well known. In the Southern tradition they are: matsya (fish), koorma (tortoise), varaha (boar), Narasimha (the man-lion), Vamana (the dwarf) Parasurama (the angry prince), Rama (the perfect human), Balarama, his younger brother Krishna (the divine statesman) and Kalki (the redeemer of righteousness in the kali yuga, who is yet to appear). In the Northern tradition Balarama is replaced by Buddha who appears as the ninth avatar after Krishna, his mission being to purify Hinduism. Srimad Bhagavatam (circa 900 AD, according to Farquhar) takes the stand that Krishna is the original form of Vishnu and the incarnations were all his. In its list of Dasavatar, which many consider as the most authentic, both Baladeva (or Balarama) and Buddha appear. Krishna is not mentioned because he is the original god. The Dasavatara Stotra of Jayadev (12th century), parts of which are included in Adi Guru Granth compiled by Guru Arjun Singh, follows the list of Bhagavatam. In this scheme, Buddhism was like the reformation movement of Martin Luther in Christianity. Once Buddha himself became an incarnation of Vishnu there was no need for the religion to exist separately in this country. | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 55 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 76.107.202.241 Rating: N/A |
Hello Anand garu, Ten avatars of Vishnu: http://hinduism.about.com/od/godsgoddesses/a/10avatars.htm As you rightly said, Buddha and Balaram are interchangeably used as the 9th avatar.......... From Wikipedia: "The Buddha in Hinduism is sometimes viewed as an Avatar of Vishnu. In the Puranic text Bhagavata Purana, he is the twenty-fourth of twenty-five avatars, prefiguring a forthcoming final incarnation" How come 24th avatar of Vishnu is Buddha ?? Is it contradictory that Vishnu has 10 avatars or 25 avatars ? Which one is correct ? Muslims claim that 24th avatar is Buddha and 25th avatar is Prophet Mohammed... Hindus and Jews will rule the world | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4782 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Vivekanandji, Buddha is listed in some versions as one of the dasavataras ..other versions have Balarama..I always find that interesting.. Any thoughts on how and when did Buddha get included as the ninth avatara ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Basky_indya Hero Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 16518 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 65.24.56.148 Rating: N/A |
hello uncle sam Gigantic Techno fuctional Mega Blockbuster Magnum Opus BOMMA | ||
| Telugu_times Hero Username: Telugu_times Post Number: 14152 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.240.222.129 Rating: N/A |
mari shirdi sai baba evaru? | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 54 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 76.107.202.241 Rating: N/A |
He sounds like a magician to me. a magician makes us believe what he does through the magic same is case with him, just by his words. But someone needs to be answer if what he says is true ? Hindus and Jews will rule the world | ||
| Vivekanandji Junior Artist Username: Vivekanandji Post Number: 398 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 67.159.45.24 Rating: |
Exact gaa cheppali antey Zakir Naik is like OT in this DB (no offense to OT). Anni thanaki advantage gaa maatladuthaadu. Oke oka agenda ni push cheyyadaaniki maatala gaaradi baagaa chesthaadu. Edhi right edhi wrong telusu but tries to deceive everyone to push his agenda into people. Andharuu Baagundaali. | ||
| Ipc302 Side Hero Username: Ipc302 Post Number: 2906 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 24.167.20.113 Rating: N/A |
sorry last prophet of god...yeah both religions have their roots in abraham and judaism | ||
| Vivekanandji Junior Artist Username: Vivekanandji Post Number: 397 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 67.159.45.24 Rating: N/A |
New brother, I've seen all Zakir Naik videos and also read his books when I was in Hyderabad long time back. He must either be a hypocrite or a deceiver. I'd say he is the latter. All he does is words gimmick. Andharuu Baagundaali. | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 53 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 76.107.202.241 Rating: N/A |
If I am not wrong muslims dont claim prophet mohammad as son of god. Only christians claim that Jesus is son of God...... and I think even that is debated today.... Hindus and Jews will rule the world | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 52 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 76.107.202.241 Rating: N/A |
Please see this below link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0MWfZ14mlA&feature=related Hindus and Jews will rule the world | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 2684 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
something I recollected from a long time back... Abraham who is considered the patriarch of Jews, Christians and Muslims...had two sons one through his wife - Issac and another through his maid(wife conceive awwatledhu ani ) Ishamel anukunta... aasthi tagaadha wastundani Ishamel and his mom are banished...affudu Abe septhaadu your son's lineage will lead another religion ani...aday lineage lo Prophet Mohd wachaadu ani konni scriptures lo undhi Why so Serious? | ||
| Ipc302 Side Hero Username: Ipc302 Post Number: 2905 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 24.167.20.113 Rating: N/A |
most religions have the concept of an avatar coming to signal the end the world or gods last birth for the redemption of men....its just people trying to combine two religions...earlier there were some theories implying that mohd is the last prophet according to old testament....both the quran and bible talk about gabriel and other prophets ....christians say jesus is the son of god whereas muslims say that mohd id the son of god | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 2683 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
thanks for correcting... Why so Serious? | ||
| Vivekanandji Junior Artist Username: Vivekanandji Post Number: 395 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 67.159.45.24 Rating: N/A |
Humpty Dumpty brother, Prophet Muhmd time is few centuries after Christ. Andharuu Baagundaali. | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 2682 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
hmmm interesting ...outright trash ani anukuntunaa... if I rem correctly, Prophet Mohd time was just a few centuries before birth of Christ...vedas were more of an earlier timeline anukuntunna...correct me if I am wrong Why so Serious? | ||
| Vivekanandji Junior Artist Username: Vivekanandji Post Number: 394 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 67.159.45.24 Rating: N/A |
That is all Islamic propoganda. Just tell that Muslim that the Vishnu Avatar is some Hindu God. Andharuu Baagundaali. | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 51 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 76.107.202.241 Rating: N/A |
Then how do we answer to someone who shows the vedas (as mentioned in the links) and claim that he is the last avatar of Vishnu ? Hindus and Jews will rule the world | ||
| Vivekanandji Junior Artist Username: Vivekanandji Post Number: 393 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 67.159.45.24 Rating: N/A |
No Andharuu Baagundaali. | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 50 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 76.107.202.241 Rating: N/A |
Is Prophet Mohammad mentioned in various hindu scriptures like Bhavishya Purana, Vedas and Upanishads ? Muslim scholars say "YES". They also claim that he is the Tenth Avatar of Vishnu. Below are the links that claim that Prophet Mohammad is mentioned in Hindu scriptures as the last avatar: http://www.themodernreligion.com/prophet/prophet-hindu.html http://www.islam101.com/religions/hinduism/Mhs.htm http://www.geocities.com/islamicmiracles/gita_last_prophet_p 4.htm Hinduism experts: Can you share your thoughts and opinions on this please ? Hindus and Jews will rule the world |
