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Guttonkay
Junior Artist Username: Guttonkay
Post Number: 995 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 148.87.67.135
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 06:42 pm: |
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sorry. didn't mean to make you feel bad. I was just double checking for my own sake :-) Still don't like the songs that bad, but like them better than last night :-) |
   
Humpty_dumpty
Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty
Post Number: 2515 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 72.75.81.78
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 06:40 pm: |
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Guttonkay:
I listened to the songs yamaho , ivvalay, maro maro, chamka chamka on audio a lot. VDO 2 times soosi unta...cinema sooda ledhandi inkaa Why so Serious? |
   
Guttonkay
Junior Artist Username: Guttonkay
Post Number: 994 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 148.87.67.135
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 06:32 pm: |
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After HD said he liked the songs in Chirutha, I listened to them again. 64 types of torture lo listening to these songs okati anipinchindi. More than the music - which actually sounds so much like Pokiri music - it's the male singer. evaru babu aa singer. RCT voice ki singer bongu voice ki emanna sambandham vunda!!!!!! female singer emo keechu gontu. Yamaho - Tippu gonthu naku nachaledu. ento song la vundi. ivvale - song bagundi. Music kooda bagundi Love you raa - okay song. pokiri gala gala song picturization la anipinchindi picturization maro maro - too loud, pakka mass song. pokiri lo choodaddanukunna song picturization anipinchindi. Poori is so out of ideas looks like. Yenduko - begining music inkekkado vinnatlu vundi. okay to good song. chamka chamka or is that champaka champaka - geeta madhuri gontu nacchaledu. I am tired of Mani sharma's salasa, hiphop bits. Time for more creativity. Song was ok. I will change my intial observation about the dances from him gyrations to hip gyrations and knee jerks :-) |
   
Kdnumber1
Junior Artist Username: Kdnumber1
Post Number: 823 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 65.120.124.222
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 11:53 am: |
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Getafix:Sorry for offtopic posts in this thread.those posts are totally unintentional and have no agenda..
Same Dialogue from me. |
   
Getafix
Side Hero Username: Getafix
Post Number: 2827 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 11:51 am: |
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Guttonkay:Guys, inka ee pregnant posts lu apndi. ee chiranjeevi faction, nandamuri faction kadu kani educated professional people ani kooda marchipoyi gabbu post lu veyyaddu please. Every thread edo rakam faction, caste, whose side are you on talk ayipotundi.
Gutti brother Sorry for offtopic posts in this thread.those posts are totally unintentional and have no agenda.. |
   
Humpty_dumpty
Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty
Post Number: 2492 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 11:41 am: |
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Powerfull:Chirutha music one of Manisharma's best. All time top 5 lo vuntadi if not top 3.
mama...I too like the music of chiruta... But manisharma music last 10 yrs nunchi same orchestra, same beats different tempo anthay ani naa ofinion...thing is people like it even though he does not create an new stuff...he is the one of the best "commercial" MDs we have in TFI but not creative anukuntunna Why so Serious? |
   
Powerfull
Side Hero Username: Powerfull
Post Number: 2496 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.130.2.52
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 11:36 am: |
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Chirutha music one of Manisharma's best. All time top 5 lo vuntadi if not top 3. |
   
Guttonkay
Junior Artist Username: Guttonkay
Post Number: 980 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 148.87.67.135
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 11:36 am: |
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Guys, inka ee pregnant posts lu apndi. ee chiranjeevi faction, nandamuri faction kadu kani educated professional people ani kooda marchipoyi gabbu post lu veyyaddu please. Every thread edo rakam faction, caste, whose side are you on talk ayipotundi. |
   
Kdnumber1
Junior Artist Username: Kdnumber1
Post Number: 820 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 66.155.211.158
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 11:34 am: |
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Getafix:seppalem thammudu.. kadupu seyataniki age okkate unte saripodu chala factors untai. both external and internal factors
Bomma aite janaiki inka baaga ardama avutundani |
   
Getafix
Side Hero Username: Getafix
Post Number: 2825 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 11:28 am: |
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Simhadri:20 ayithe kadupu cheyaleda annai..just doubt anthe...
seppalem thammudu.. kadupu seyataniki age okkate unte saripodu chala factors untai. both external and internal factors |
   
Cylonesubbarao
Hero Username: Cylonesubbarao
Post Number: 10680 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 170.61.20.228
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 11:27 am: |
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Guttonkay:Music baga ledu.
 You must be the change you wish to see in the world
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Simhadri
Side Hero Username: Simhadri
Post Number: 3470 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 74.232.12.21
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 11:25 am: |
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Guttonkay:simhadri garu, were you talking like this the other day when they were talking about Jr and his drinking video? Just wondering :-)
Nope..I am a Jr Fan...nenu neutarl ani seppatledu... Ntr_Fan - pandu Simhadri - Laddu |
   
Simhadri
Side Hero Username: Simhadri
Post Number: 3469 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 74.232.12.21
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 11:23 am: |
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Der_schuler:he is freaking 20 man.....and she might be even younger.....appude KADUPULU daaka blog chese vallaki siggulekapothe...adhi chadivi mana vignatha pradarsinchakapothe...nee naa chaduvuki.....ardham ledhu
20 ayithe kadupu cheyaleda annai..just doubt anthe... Ntr_Fan - pandu Simhadri - Laddu |
   
Guttonkay
Junior Artist Username: Guttonkay
Post Number: 979 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 148.87.67.135
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 11:19 am: |
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ghajani lo finger edadhamante aamir kurrod allu kurrod ki elu edathadani bhayapadi odhilesaad...cut sesthe akkada super eit ------------------------------------------------------------ --------- Ghajini bandal cinema. adi etla hit ayyindo naakayite artham kala. Asin+director==arava kampu & OA. |
   
Getafix
Side Hero Username: Getafix
Post Number: 2824 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 11:16 am: |
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moral science classes pakkanetti .. heroine ki kadupu sesadu ane range rumours ochayi ante heroine lo entho vishayam unnate.. hence heroine is kasak ani proved. long live kasak heroines. |
   
Pavala
Side Hero Username: Pavala
Post Number: 6727 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 193.47.71.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 11:15 am: |
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sirutha movie is a bandaal movie...puri kurrod ni side sesi allu kurrod finger esaad...as usual masi ayindhi bomma...ghajani lo finger edadhamante aamir kurrod allu kurrod ki elu edathadani bhayapadi odhilesaad...cut sesthe akkada super eit bomma...bottomline allu kurrod is 2bad2worst ever happened to siruox anukuntunna... K.A.PAUL - 2050 |
   
Guttonkay
Junior Artist Username: Guttonkay
Post Number: 978 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 148.87.67.135
Rating:  Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 11:14 am: |
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enduku annai koppadutunavu...avi emi DB lo puttiyyaledu kada..evo blogs lo vachayi...tanu rumors putiste tappu kani..ala talk avchindi anet tappemduni? ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------ simhadri garu, were you talking like this the other day when they were talking about Jr and his drinking video? Just wondering :-) |
   
Bunty717
Comedian Username: Bunty717
Post Number: 1308 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 161.185.151.155
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 11:05 am: |
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Guttonkay:I hate Lawrence choreography any day. Talentless fellow. Luck ekkuva, talent takkuva Lawrence ki.
naa opinion kuda ade.. |
   
Telugufan
Junior Artist Username: Telugufan
Post Number: 611 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 12.13.141.101
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 11:04 am: |
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Der_schuler:he is freaking 20 man
ento ne gola, arthi agarval ki tharun ki kuda arthi 18 years lone jarigindhi, 18 ki enthuku chesavu ani arthi ni adugutha enti |
   
Kdnumber1
Junior Artist Username: Kdnumber1
Post Number: 816 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 66.155.211.158
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 11:04 am: |
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Der_schuler:he is freaking 20 man.....and she might be even younger.....appude KADUPULU daaka blog chese vallaki siggulekapothe...adhi chadivi mana vignatha pradarsinchakapothe...nee naa chaduvuki.....ardham ledhu
Tammudu emi GK no emito... 20 yrs man ki kadupu cheyyatam raaada !!!!! |
   
Eluri_kurradu
Side Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu
Post Number: 5760 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.182.1.4
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 11:03 am: |
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Der_schuler:
tammudu valliddaru lechi poyi pelli cheskunnatlu varthalu vachayi TV9 lo kooda chepparu.. Ekkado munigi ikkada tela |
   
2cool
Junior Artist Username: 2cool
Post Number: 612 Registered: 05-2009 Posted From: 64.34.205.33
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 11:03 am: |
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Der_schuler:u are sick..
mana coca statements matram sammaga vuntaya annai neeku |
   
Der_schuler
Comedian Username: Der_schuler
Post Number: 1363 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 198.135.110.2
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 11:02 am: |
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Simhadri:evo blogs lo vachayi...tanu rumors putiste tappu kani..ala talk avchindi anet tappemduni?
he is freaking 20 man.....and she might be even younger.....appude KADUPULU daaka blog chese vallaki siggulekapothe...adhi chadivi mana vignatha pradarsinchakapothe...nee naa chaduvuki.....ardham ledhu |
   
Kdnumber1
Junior Artist Username: Kdnumber1
Post Number: 815 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 155.212.15.94
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 11:02 am: |
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Der_schuler:u need a break....u are sick
hahhah...pachakamerlu emanna vachya emiti....nenu sick ga kanapadutunnanu Please Take a Break. |
   
Simhadri
Side Hero Username: Simhadri
Post Number: 3467 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 74.232.12.21
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 11:00 am: |
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Der_schuler:man ...u need a break....u are sick.....he is just a kid......thana meedha kooda personality vilification ah.....kadupulu...kaalu jaaratalu....podhunna lesthe ivena nuvvu alochinchedhi
enduku annai koppadutunavu...avi emi DB lo puttiyyaledu kada..evo blogs lo vachayi...tanu rumors putiste tappu kani..ala talk avchindi anet tappemduni? Ntr_Fan - pandu Simhadri - Laddu |
   
Der_schuler
Comedian Username: Der_schuler
Post Number: 1362 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 198.135.110.2
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 10:59 am: |
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Kdnumber1:Hero Padi povatam kaadu.... Stomach Kuda Chesaaasdu ani public Talk
man ...u need a break....u are sick.....he is just a kid......thana meedha kooda personality vilification ah.....kadupulu...kaalu jaaratalu....podhunna lesthe ivena nuvvu alochinchedhi |
   
Kdnumber1
Junior Artist Username: Kdnumber1
Post Number: 811 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 65.120.124.222
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 10:36 am: |
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Guttonkay:Hero modatlone padipoyadu kada eemani choosi. veedi taste enti babu intha chandalam ga vundi, ee pillani choosi padipoyada anukuni vuntaru viewers.
Hero Padi povatam kaadu.... Stomach Kuda Chesaaasdu ani public Talk |
   
Humpty_dumpty
Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty
Post Number: 2491 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 10:32 am: |
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Guttonkay:veedi taste enti babu intha chandalam ga vundi, ee pillani choosi padipoyada anukuni vuntaru viewers.
anni years jail lo untay taste yela untaadhi andi...telugu fillum lo logics undavu ...for logic see VVarma... Why so Serious? |
   
Humpty_dumpty
Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty
Post Number: 2490 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 10:31 am: |
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Getafix:Drohi ane class film untadi annai ashish vidyarthi di
Drohkaal anukuntaa hindi lo...it shot him into lime light...he won an award anukuntaa... telugu/tamil lo nazar tho cheyyinchaaru Why so Serious? |
   
Getafix
Side Hero Username: Getafix
Post Number: 2823 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 10:20 am: |
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Ranga:Asish Vidyarthi Pokiri lo baane chesaadu. Migathaa movies anni bandal.
Drohi ane class film untadi annai ashish vidyarthi di.. adi sudu baa sesadu. Neeku Pokiri chusake Ashish vidhyarthi ane actor okadu unnadu ani telsindhi ante nen inka emi maatladalenu.. |
   
Guttonkay
Junior Artist Username: Guttonkay
Post Number: 977 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 148.87.67.133
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 10:20 am: |
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seduce the hero which she did as best as she can. ------------------------------------------------------------ ---- yeah, I guess that's about all she had to do. However, there was no seducing needed. Hero modatlone padipoyadu kada eemani choosi. veedi taste enti babu intha chandalam ga vundi, ee pillani choosi padipoyada anukuni vuntaru viewers. |
   
Getafix
Side Hero Username: Getafix
Post Number: 2822 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 10:17 am: |
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2cool:Adi neeku Poori cinema la vunda annai
puri chesina konni cinemalu inchuminchu ide type lo untayi annai.. kitchidi mix types..so definite ga puri ye direct sesadu anukuntunna |
   
Getafix
Side Hero Username: Getafix
Post Number: 2821 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 10:15 am: |
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Getafix:puted lips
read it as pouted lips |
   
Getafix
Side Hero Username: Getafix
Post Number: 2820 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 10:15 am: |
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Guttonkay:Heroine lo cute factor ledu, pretty factor ledu. hero pakkana balekunda vunde ammayi kavali ani eemani hire chesukuni vuntaru.
She has got puted lips dusky complexion and seducing eyes .. what more you want in telugu heroine - its not like she is there to act anyway ..all she did was to do dance in songs and seduce the hero which she did as best as she can. |
   
Kdnumber1
Junior Artist Username: Kdnumber1
Post Number: 807 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 65.120.124.222
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 10:05 am: |
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Guttonkay:I hate Lawrence choreography any day. Talentless fellow. Luck ekkuva, talent takkuva Lawrence ki.
Ee maata pedda ga anaku, Chiru HURT avutaadu... Mutamesthri lo venaka ekkado 3 rd line lo vunte Talent ni pasikatti career lo Break ichadu ani andaru cheputaaru. |
   
Guttonkay
Junior Artist Username: Guttonkay
Post Number: 976 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 148.87.67.133
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 10:01 am: |
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Music naku nijam ga nachaledu. Heroine chandalam ga vundi. ekkadnunchi pattukostaru vellani anipistundi. Slum dweller anakoodadu. akkada inka chala bagunde vallu vuntaru :-) Heroine lo cute factor ledu, pretty factor ledu. hero pakkana balekunda vunde ammayi kavali ani eemani hire chesukuni vuntaru. I can sit there and watch the songs only one more time (have to put mute on, most songs are bad), but I felt the dances have mostly hip movements more than anything else. I hate Lawrence choreography any day. Talentless fellow. Luck ekkuva, talent takkuva Lawrence ki. |
   
Ranga
Junior Artist Username: Ranga
Post Number: 72 Registered: 07-2009 Posted From: 65.208.22.26
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 09:56 am: |
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Music baaledaa. Dances routinaa? Bomma aa maathram aadindante music & dances valle anukuntaa. Introduction song & Chamka Chamka songs ayithe keka. Slum dwellers antha cute gaa vuntaaraa? Heroine baagaa dance vesindi. Asish Vidyarthi Pokiri lo baane chesaadu. Migathaa movies anni bandal. naa rating koodaa 3/5 |
   
Kdnumber1
Junior Artist Username: Kdnumber1
Post Number: 805 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 66.155.211.158
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 09:55 am: |
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2cool:Adi neeku Poori cinema la vunda annai?
kompa teesi PURI peru seppi ALLU sirish directionaaaaaaaa emiti !!!!??? |
   
Woodpecker
Side Hero Username: Woodpecker
Post Number: 3160 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 199.198.251.106
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 09:54 am: |
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bomma only launchpad for rct to show dance/fight skills anukuntunna, forget abt story/script, puri 1 hr kaho na pyar hai episode, climax lifted from apocalypto heroine bad, of course not worser than karthika |
   
2cool
Junior Artist Username: 2cool
Post Number: 596 Registered: 05-2009 Posted From: 64.34.205.33
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 09:54 am: |
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Getafix:climax ki ochesariki Puri lo fuel out.
Adi neeku Poori cinema la vunda annai?  |
   
Tenali_rk
Junior Artist Username: Tenali_rk
Post Number: 473 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 96.231.58.104
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 09:53 am: |
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Dhaarkaar:
Yup...Puri gaadu cinemani ...... |
   
Kdnumber1
Junior Artist Username: Kdnumber1
Post Number: 803 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 65.120.124.222
Rating:  Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 09:52 am: |
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Guttonkay:Back to heroine. slum dweller la vundi.
Hero ki taggatlu gaane select chestaru Foducer n Director |
   
Getafix
Side Hero Username: Getafix
Post Number: 2819 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 09:51 am: |
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Dhaarkaar:Guttonkay brother..meeku mohamatam ekkuva..2/5 chaalu cinemaki..
climax ki ochesariki Puri lo fuel out.. apocalypto climax ettadu singapore nunchi advaloki teeskelli |
   
Dhaarkaar
Hero Username: Dhaarkaar
Post Number: 14989 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 198.204.133.208
Rating:  Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 09:50 am: |
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Guttonkay brother..meeku mohamatam ekkuva..2/5 chaalu cinemaki.. CHirutha - Chiru 'Tha'nayudu - rachal rachal hungama chesaar appatlo |
   
Guttonkay
Junior Artist Username: Guttonkay
Post Number: 975 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 148.87.67.133
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 09:44 am: |
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Magadheera release avutundi at least now I should watch Chiruta ani ninna rent chesa movie. Here's my so called review and thoughts on Ram Charan Teja The kid looks like a kid - 19 year old. Doesn't help that he is too short. May be same height as Jr. Voice is not as great as his dad's, but much better than Jr's and diction is not as awful as half our heros - Nagarjuna, Prabhas in some movies and so on. I do not like the portrayal of violence in Telugu movies these days. Too graphic and too descriptive. I do not like Asish Vidyarthi ever. He is the worst of the villain characters in Telugu field. I wish they hired Rahul Dev instead, guess he looks too young to have a son, a chota villain :-) Heroine hero ki akka la vundi. Where did they bring her from. In most shots she even looked taller than him, not that it's bad but we are used to seeing them as same height or she shorter than him thing. I guess I pay too much attention to height. Back to heroine. slum dweller la vundi. Looks too old, not pretty. noru, matladdam was serious slum dweller types. ati ga anipinchindi. Konchem Kaho Na Pyar hai type anipinchina, they took care to not make it all similar to Kaho Na Pyar hai. I think the photography was much better in KNPH. The island looked prettier in that movie. Music baga ledu. Only one or two songs were good. All those choreographers and only some dances were good. Most looked like same movements - hip gyrations. I thought the climax fight was done very differently, different locale and all that. And then they had to ruin my feeling by making the hero pop out of that mud bank. I mean comeOn. When did have time to kill the villain's son, drag his body and out of the blue hide in mud bank. That hole covered in mud and killing the villain was absolutely unnecessary I thought. The hiding in mud bank, covered in mud to kill the villain and the wearing the leopard or tiger or whatever that print undershirt in the last song were the most hilarious bits for me in the movie. Overall 3/5. Not too bad, not great. Could've made a better movie. |