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Soniafan
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Mrhyderabad:

Stephen Hawking's quote "If time travel were possible, we'd be inundated with tourists from the future."




He also told.....there is also a chance......like... nothing is important or significant in our generation for future travels.........in that case....we cannot see tourists from the future
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Soniafan:

we cannot say time travel is not possible......




Stephen Hawking's quote "If time travel were possible, we'd be inundated with tourists from the future."
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Soniafan:


I am not sure about this.....but i believe time machine will be definetly invented by our future generations.......

Mana.....Adity369 movie type lo......time travel is very thrilling..


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Ramk:



Saughmraat:

let the time now is t0.

assume that light particle (say p1) and some other faster particle (Say p2 ) are at the origin. They are moving along the positive X-axis. (Ignoring the light's curved path)

after some time dt(dt > 0), the time now is t1 = t0 + dt, p1 is present at x1, p2 is present at x2.

now, if x2 > x1, how can we say that t1 < t0?





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Mental_sachinodu:

if it is a measure of state change, are we saying that there was a time before which there was no "time", meaning to support the ex-nihilo concept.




I do not know ex-nihilo concept. but what i can understand is time does not make any sense when there is no state change.
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Mental_sachinodu:

also matter infinite avvatam ante enti? einstien's equation suggests that matter as a mathematic entity becomes infinite, but as a physical entity what does that mean, does it mean it transforms in to another physical entity, or does it mean that matter is simply destroyed? if it transforms into another physical entiy, can it be transformed back ?




it is beyond my intuition how mass becomes infinite at light speed. I am not sure if it is experimentally proved that mass really increases( at least to a measurable amount) at higher speeds.

time dilation is experimentally tested found to be accordance with STR & GTR. I have no clue how speed affects rate of change.

frequency of oscillations of subatomic particles might reduce at light speed. i can theorize it like...matter oscillates at light speed at rest and frequency slows down with motion and no oscillations and hence no time at light speed :-). there is something that is conserved!!. but how the machanical oscillations(not internal oscillations) get slowed down?? what cuases it? is there really something like time which affects all the events!!? difficult to understand time it seems.
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Mrhyderabad:

Time travel is not possible. Period.




we cannot say time travel is not possible......see this below video....if u want more information

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X02WMNoHSm8
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I want to meet my grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand son. he will bring some space cookies for me. :-) :-)

Maybe UFO that are recorded on TV are perhaps humans from the future..... possible
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when we see stars in the sky were actually looking into the past....most stars we see are long gone but the light takes time to reach us which is time travel.
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Nisarga:

time is not like space to move to and fro. it is measure of state change.




if it is a measure of state change, are we saying that there was a time before which there was no "time", meaning to support the ex-nihilo concept.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Saughmraat:

baagaaaa sppeed gaa pargedite... yekkuva kaalam jeevinchadam gurinchi :D j/k




time dilation is a tested phenominon. clock tick less and radio active decay gets delayed in high speed motion. this is experimentally tested. you really age slowly if you travel at very high speed.
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Mental_sachinodu:

but there is my second question do we have to travel at the speed of light for time travel?




time travel requires projection of current state of the entire universe into the future to travel into future. to travel into past the whole state should be reversed.

for example you reached office at 9am. if you want to see the future at 5pm you should be able to exactly see how the whole universe will look at 5pm. either it should be simulated( then the universe needs to be deterministic) ...it will be virtual or the whole universe should really change the state that of 5pm. I don't think this is possible. the same with traveling into past. time is not like space to move to and fro. it is measure of state change.
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Mrhyderabad:

Yes, unless you want to pursue wormholes or cosmic string theories.

Am i wrong?

PS: I know that you are testing me..




testing antha ledhu annai, just understanding your statements. I believe there are many theories including warm holes, and space time geometric plane mainpulation. space travel to distant places using space bend, similar to bending time planes concept ila chalane unaayi kadha.

also matter infinite avvatam ante enti? einstien's equation suggests that matter as a mathematic entity becomes infinite, but as a physical entity what does that mean, does it mean it transforms in to another physical entity, or does it mean that matter is simply destroyed? if it transforms into another physical entiy, can it be transformed back ?
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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time yedo antunnaru... so konni movies lo yedo Quantum Tunneling etc ani undi ex: The One, Dejavu..etc

Yevaraina choosara bommal...andulo cheppey reason yemaina arthan ayinda...(at least makes sense??)
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Mental_sachinodu:

but there is my second question do we have to travel at the speed of light for time travel?


Yes, unless you want to pursue wormholes or cosmic string theories.

Am i wrong?

PS: I know that you are testing me..
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Mrhyderabad:

anyway attaining light speed
does not seem possible as the mass becomes infinite.




but there is my second question do we have to travel at the speed of light for time travel?
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Mental_sachinodu:

can you elaborate on this.



Nisarga:

anyway attaining light speed does not seem possible as the mass becomes infinite.



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Mrhyderabad:

Time travel is not possible. Period.




can you elaborate on this.


Mrhyderabad:

at least, as per today's physics... We can't attain light speed as long as E=MC square is valid.




do we have to travel at light speed for time travel?
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Soniafan:

but i believe time machine will be definetly invented by our future generations.......


Time travel is not possible. Period.


Nisarga:

if at all light speed is possible


at least, as per today's physics... We can't attain light speed as long as E=MC square is valid.
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Time slowdown is something is similar to negative 0 and positive.

assume -4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4

Here if you are able to travel at the speed of lite then you may reach to the 0 point of the time where you will never feel the time running. If you can travel faster then the light then you may get into the past like -5 millisecond.. and so on. Then i which direction you travel to get into past or future? This is where scientist are breaking their head.

Sodi theories chebutharu viti mida.. nothing is proved. Inko Mc square theory introduce cheyyali dinimida..

Naku antha time ledu.. so i let other scientist do this..
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Jalsa:

time slows down,




can u define the process of "Time slowing down" please??
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Nisarga:

t is detectable at higher speeds. close to light speed it is significant i guess.



The other day, Nat Geo were showing this. As we get closer to light speed, time slows down, and if we near lightspeed, time will come to a standstill.

I think this has lot to do with the relative distances that one can travel at lightspeed.

Timemachine concept lo future ki "velladam" possible anipisthundhi. Velladam antey, if you travel at such a highspeed into space and comeback, time would have flown by on Earth. Or may be I am not able to put it clearly.
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Lovetilludie:

deni gurinchi




baagaaaa sppeed gaa pargedite... yekkuva kaalam jeevinchadam gurinchi :D j/k

total topic gurinchi adigaavaa?

leka naa specific post gurinchaa?

(by the way.. my DOB is 13th dec 1984. Max naakannaa peddollee eeda vuntaaru)
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Saughmraat:




annai meeru deni gurinchi matladukuntunaru plz chepu
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Nisarga:

done




naaku kuuda fleeze

saughmraat @ gmail
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Soniafan:

Time Travel In Einstein's Universe aney book avaru ayina chadivaraa




nenu chadavaledu
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Nisarga:

forgive me about the spelling




gave gave ...

take take
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Soniafan:

If possible meeru oka test email evandi naku, i will contact u




done
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Soniafan:

Time Travel In Einstein's Universe aney book avaru ayina chadivaraa





Einstein, newton etc names vunna books chuuste chaalu naaku...




ANSWER: NO
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Soniafan:

oka test email evandi




done
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Time Travel In Einstein's Universe aney book avaru ayina chadivaraa
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Nisarga:

as the speed increases time slows down..




given a distance, as the speed reaches infinity, the time reaches zero.

It's something like, what should be x, to make 1/absolute_value(x) < 0 ?
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it seems it is 1/SQRT(1-v^2/c^2)
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Nisarga:




Saughmraat:




If possible meeru oka test email evandi naku, i will contact u

ra.ozzie@gmail.com

I work for my own company in usa...presently i am in my india trip now
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Nisarga:

Is my lorentz equation correct first off





I found something here. This link may help u...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_transformation
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Nisarga:

s my lorentz equation correct first off




what all i thought was ...as the speed increases time slows down... at the light speed it time stops...beyond light speed time reverses... ( this is my kind of deduction based on the rough look at the equation).

but my intuition says light speed is the boundary
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Nisarga:

Is my lorentz equation correct first off




manaki pichix antagaa raadu
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Soniafan:

meeru india lo vuntaraa




yes.

meeru(soniafan and nisarga)?
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Saughmraat:

Nope. It becomes just an imaginary value.




Is my lorentz equation correct first off :-) ?
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Soniafan:

meeru india lo vuntaraa




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Nisarga:




Saughmraat:




meeru india lo vuntaraa
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Nisarga:

how did they think time travel possible??




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Saughmraat:

Nope. It becomes just an imaginary value.




yes. thanks for pointing out. but how did they think time travel possible?? i am not sure.
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Nisarga:

but this will happen physically.




pls read it as but this will NOT happen physically.
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Nisarga:

then delta t would be negative




Nope. It becomes just an imaginary value.
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Nisarga:

but this will happen physically




let the time now is t0.

assume that light particle (say p1) and some other faster particle (Say p2 ) are at the origin. They are moving along the positive X-axis. (Ignoring the light's curved path)

after some time dt(dt > 0), the time now is t1 = t0 + dt, p1 is present at x1, p2 is present at x2.

now, if x2 > x1, how can we say that t1 < t0?
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Saughmraat:

when the depinichan aap sfeed itself eez based on the "delta TIME elapsed", how can sum1 think so ??




per laurentz( forgive me about the spelling) equation i .e delta t = SQRT(1-v^2/c^2).... if v > c ( c= light speed) then delta t would be negative. so time is in reverse direction.

but this will happen physically.
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Nisarga:

they might have thought that time might reverse if we can travel beyond light speed




speed = distance / time :D

when the depinichan aap sfeed itself eez based on the "delta TIME elapsed", how can sum1 think so ??
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Soniafan:

I am not sure about this.....but i believe time machine will be definetly invented by our future generations...




I don't think so. time travel is not possible. to me it seems like ...time is asymmetric. time is not a physical entity. they might have thought that time might reverse if we can travel beyond light speed. there will be no time at light speed and reversing does not make any sense to me.
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Soniafan:

it is possible to live longer by moving at higher speeds




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i think Einstein has told that.........Time Machine is possible case....

I am very interested in this subject.....




Nisarga:

it is possible to live longer by moving at higher speeds..close to light speed if possible




I am not sure about this.....but i believe time machine will be definetly invented by our future generations.......

Mana.....Adity369 movie type lo......time travel is very thrilling..
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Never payed close attention to this. it is very real it seems... and perplexing too.

to simply state....time dilates with the increase in the speed in motion.

delta t = sqrt(1 - v^2 / c^2 ). it seems that it is experimentally proved many times. for e.x resynchronization is required in GPS satellites it seems.

it is detectable at higher speeds. close to light speed it is significant i guess.

I wonder how speed affects matter at molecular level...biological level !!!!!

good and bad is that time(rate of change) is not absolute. even the space either.

I think there are many implications of time dilation:

1) there will be no time at all at light speed

2) it is possible to live longer by moving at higher speeds..close to light speed if possible

3) can study the changes of a longer period by sending people in space at higher speeds and bringing back after 100s of years

if at all light speed is possible there can be a lot of implications. one more thing i wonder is if we can send a space craft at light speed.... there is little fuel required because fuel is not utilized since there will be no time.

anyway attaining light speed does not seem possible as the mass becomes infinite. what amazes or perplexes me sometimes is speed affects the time(rate of change). age of universe..inanimate and animate matter is different in/for different reference frames based on their relative speed.

welcome interested people to post the affects or implications of time dilation. is there anything absolute apart from light speed!?

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