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Crunk
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Mattiburra:

one more question, some where I read/ heard that
2x2=4 but 2+2=3.9999.........




That is pretty interesting.

Found this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.999...#Proofs
"One of these days I gotta get myself organizized" - Robert De Niro in Taxi Driver.
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Der_schuler
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Mattiburra:

is it our decisions that r paving way to the destiny decided by the God?

Is God not involved in our lives afer v r born?




Yes our actions pave way for our destiny and God is involved in our lives afer v are born.
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Der_schuler:

Hmm..not sure what are u referring to.....I completely believe in fate and God. There is no other truth but his will and I am his slave. Whatever I know and don't know is his will and gratuity.

My life is his gift and my only dharma is to follow the course of truth and knowledge as he has dictated and fulfill my karma




B4 a man is born his fate & destiny r decided by God, is it our decisions that r paving way to the destiny decided by the God?

Is God not involved in our lives afer v r born?

another Q:
What is tha God exactly achieves once we fulfill our Karma?
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Mattiburra:

how do u relate that to fate n destiny?




Hmm..not sure what are u referring to.....I completely believe in fate and God. There is no other truth but his will and I am his slave. Whatever I know and don't know is his will and gratuity.

My life is his gift and my only dharma is to follow the course of truth and knowledge as he has dictated and fulfill my karma
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Der_schuler:

Nope. You are intrepreting it the wrong way. The standard notion of reality for the 19th centur classicists was the following:

"reality is absolute irrespective of the act of observation. So was the concept of space. QM was laid out to answer the statistical indeterminacy of the aforementioned quantum system where casaulty is not discrete!!!"



oks I got u

one more question if u plz dont mind

Say I felt bored and took off from office and went to a movie, enjoyed a lot and spent lot of money for shopping (say 10k)
Next day, due to some emergency I need 10k

Had I not took the leave, had I not spent that much of money I'd hav had money enuf for my need.

even a simple decision in our life has many consequences.

how do u relate that to fate n destiny?
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Mattiburra:

My question is if the cat is in the state of alive and dead can I restore the cat's state to either alive or dead?




Nope. You are intrepreting it the wrong way. The standard notion of reality for the 19th centur classicists was the following:

"reality is absolute irrespective of the act of observation. So was the concept of space. QM was laid out to answer the statistical indeterminacy of the aforementioned quantum system where casaulty is not discrete!!!"
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Proline:




sure. thanks for correcting
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Mattiburra:

2x2=4 but 2+2=3.9999.........




Don't know. Depends on the definition of addition of entities I guess. These can always be posed like some zeno's paradox....
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Der_schuler:

position and momentum of a classical particle



heisenberg uncertainty principle: you can't exactly predict the mass and momentum of a quantum particle.
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Der_schuler:

None. A layman. Schrodinger's PDE has nuthing more to it than to establish a mathematical relationship between the Quantum potential function in terms of the position and momentum of a classical particle


:-)

one more question, some where I read/ heard that
2x2=4 but 2+2=3.9999.........

am not sure abt who proposed this theory.

do u hav any idea on this? plz throw some light when ur free
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Mattiburra:

outta my curiosity, r u a physicst or philosopher?




None. A layman. Schrodinger's PDE has nuthing more to it than to establish a mathematical relationship between the Quantum potential function in terms of the position and momentum of a classical particle
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Mattiburra:

r u a physicst or philosopher?


physicist ok, philosopher aa
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The cat experiment is not a counter to Copenhagen intrepratation!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It casts the same problem as a paradox.......
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Der_schuler:



let me understand Schrodinger's PDE *|& then i vl get back to u

outta my curiosity, r u a physicst or philosopher?
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Rush:

was just kidding bro... "matti burra" ni leg pulling


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Mattiburra:




Ok if u have studied ur intermediate nuclear physics, u might heard the name decay constant right. A nuclear decay is not a discrete process...i.e a heavy nucleus can decay at ANY moment with a predefined probability. i.e if you wait for a billion years with out observing a say U238 nucleus, the probability of it not splitting up itself is minimal yet non zero.

Schrodinger's cat is a gedanken where a cat until observed in a quantum superposed state of either being dead or alive , by virtue of the neuclide's disintegration.

No body knew till schrodinger devised his famous schrodinger PDE, the method to address this indeterminacy. hence the name
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Proline:

"Particle In a Box" ani oka quant theory untadi....predicting particle's behavior and uncertainty...so according to that the cat is alive and dead.




My question is if the cat is in the state of alive and dead can I restore the cat's state to either alive or dead?

if the state of cat can be moved from alive to alive and dead then there shld b a possibility of moving to either state of being alive or being dead.
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Mrhyderabad:

That is as per the Copenhagen's interpretation. And Schrödinger proposed this experiment to counter that interpretation.




Yes.
I was just kidding bro... "matti burra" ni leg pulling
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"Particle In a Box" ani oka quant theory untadi....predicting particle's behavior and uncertainty...so according to that the cat is alive and dead.
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Rush:

The cat is both alive and dead at any given point in time



I understodd dat. Look at this

One can even set up quite ridiculous cases. A cat is penned up in a steel chamber, along with the following device (which must be secured against direct interference by the cat): in a Geiger counter, there is a tiny bit of radioactive substance, so small that perhaps in the course of the hour, one of the atoms decays, but also, with equal probability, perhaps none; if it happens, the counter tube discharges, and through a relay releases a hammer that shatters a small flask of hydrocyanic acid. If one has left this entire system to itself for an hour, one would say that the cat still lives if meanwhile no atom has decayed. The psi-function of the entire system would express this by having in it the living and dead cat (pardon the expression) mixed or smeared out in equal parts.

It is typical of these cases that an indeterminacy originally restricted to the atomic domain becomes transformed into macroscopic indeterminacy, which can then be resolved by direct observation. That prevents us from so naively accepting as valid a "blurred model" for representing reality. In itself, it would not embody anything unclear or contradictory. There is a difference between a shaky or out-of-focus photograph and a snapshot of clouds and fog banks
cant get the one in bold
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Rush:

The cat is both alive and dead at any given point in time


That is as per the Copenhagen's interpretation. And Schrödinger proposed this experiment to counter that interpretation.
If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you
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Mattiburra:

vl some1 explaing this in latheman's terms?




The cat is both alive and dead at any given point in time
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat
vl some1 explaing this in latheman's terms?

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