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Crunk
Junior Artist Username: Crunk
Post Number: 238 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 66.196.163.70
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 06:10 pm: |
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Mattiburra:one more question, some where I read/ heard that 2x2=4 but 2+2=3.9999.........
That is pretty interesting. Found this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.999...#Proofs "One of these days I gotta get myself organizized" - Robert De Niro in Taxi Driver. |
   
Der_schuler
Comedian Username: Der_schuler
Post Number: 1334 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 198.135.110.2
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 03:34 pm: |
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Mattiburra:is it our decisions that r paving way to the destiny decided by the God? Is God not involved in our lives afer v r born?
Yes our actions pave way for our destiny and God is involved in our lives afer v are born. |
   
Mattiburra
Junior Artist Username: Mattiburra
Post Number: 582 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 122.164.174.52
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 03:31 pm: |
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Der_schuler:Hmm..not sure what are u referring to.....I completely believe in fate and God. There is no other truth but his will and I am his slave. Whatever I know and don't know is his will and gratuity. My life is his gift and my only dharma is to follow the course of truth and knowledge as he has dictated and fulfill my karma
B4 a man is born his fate & destiny r decided by God, is it our decisions that r paving way to the destiny decided by the God? Is God not involved in our lives afer v r born? another Q: What is tha God exactly achieves once we fulfill our Karma? |
   
Der_schuler
Comedian Username: Der_schuler
Post Number: 1333 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 198.135.110.2
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 03:24 pm: |
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Mattiburra:how do u relate that to fate n destiny?
Hmm..not sure what are u referring to.....I completely believe in fate and God. There is no other truth but his will and I am his slave. Whatever I know and don't know is his will and gratuity. My life is his gift and my only dharma is to follow the course of truth and knowledge as he has dictated and fulfill my karma |
   
Mattiburra
Junior Artist Username: Mattiburra
Post Number: 580 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 122.164.174.52
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 03:19 pm: |
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Der_schuler:Nope. You are intrepreting it the wrong way. The standard notion of reality for the 19th centur classicists was the following: "reality is absolute irrespective of the act of observation. So was the concept of space. QM was laid out to answer the statistical indeterminacy of the aforementioned quantum system where casaulty is not discrete!!!"
oks I got u one more question if u plz dont mind Say I felt bored and took off from office and went to a movie, enjoyed a lot and spent lot of money for shopping (say 10k) Next day, due to some emergency I need 10k Had I not took the leave, had I not spent that much of money I'd hav had money enuf for my need. even a simple decision in our life has many consequences. how do u relate that to fate n destiny? |
   
Der_schuler
Comedian Username: Der_schuler
Post Number: 1332 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 198.135.110.2
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 03:06 pm: |
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Mattiburra:My question is if the cat is in the state of alive and dead can I restore the cat's state to either alive or dead?
Nope. You are intrepreting it the wrong way. The standard notion of reality for the 19th centur classicists was the following: "reality is absolute irrespective of the act of observation. So was the concept of space. QM was laid out to answer the statistical indeterminacy of the aforementioned quantum system where casaulty is not discrete!!!" |
   
Der_schuler
Comedian Username: Der_schuler
Post Number: 1331 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 198.135.110.2
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 03:01 pm: |
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Proline:
sure. thanks for correcting |
   
Der_schuler
Comedian Username: Der_schuler
Post Number: 1330 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 198.135.110.2
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 02:59 pm: |
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Mattiburra:2x2=4 but 2+2=3.9999.........
Don't know. Depends on the definition of addition of entities I guess. These can always be posed like some zeno's paradox.... |
   
Proline
Side Hero Username: Proline
Post Number: 3226 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 170.22.76.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 02:58 pm: |
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Der_schuler:position and momentum of a classical particle
heisenberg uncertainty principle: you can't exactly predict the mass and momentum of a quantum particle. ... |
   
Mattiburra
Junior Artist Username: Mattiburra
Post Number: 579 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 122.164.174.52
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 02:57 pm: |
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Der_schuler:None. A layman. Schrodinger's PDE has nuthing more to it than to establish a mathematical relationship between the Quantum potential function in terms of the position and momentum of a classical particle
one more question, some where I read/ heard that 2x2=4 but 2+2=3.9999......... am not sure abt who proposed this theory. do u hav any idea on this? plz throw some light when ur free |
   
Der_schuler
Comedian Username: Der_schuler
Post Number: 1329 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 198.135.110.2
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 02:52 pm: |
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Mattiburra:outta my curiosity, r u a physicst or philosopher?
None. A layman. Schrodinger's PDE has nuthing more to it than to establish a mathematical relationship between the Quantum potential function in terms of the position and momentum of a classical particle |
   
Jp_rocks
Comedian Username: Jp_rocks
Post Number: 1076 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 155.94.62.222
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 02:51 pm: |
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Mattiburra:r u a physicst or philosopher?
physicist ok, philosopher aa  |
   
Der_schuler
Comedian Username: Der_schuler
Post Number: 1328 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 198.135.110.2
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 02:43 pm: |
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The cat experiment is not a counter to Copenhagen intrepratation!!!!!!!!!!!!! It casts the same problem as a paradox....... |
   
Mattiburra
Junior Artist Username: Mattiburra
Post Number: 577 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 122.164.174.52
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 02:43 pm: |
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Der_schuler:
let me understand Schrodinger's PDE *|& then i vl get back to u outta my curiosity, r u a physicst or philosopher? |
   
Mattiburra
Junior Artist Username: Mattiburra
Post Number: 576 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 122.164.174.52
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 02:38 pm: |
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Rush: was just kidding bro... "matti burra" ni leg pulling
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Der_schuler
Comedian Username: Der_schuler
Post Number: 1326 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 198.135.110.2
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 02:38 pm: |
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Mattiburra:
Ok if u have studied ur intermediate nuclear physics, u might heard the name decay constant right. A nuclear decay is not a discrete process...i.e a heavy nucleus can decay at ANY moment with a predefined probability. i.e if you wait for a billion years with out observing a say U238 nucleus, the probability of it not splitting up itself is minimal yet non zero. Schrodinger's cat is a gedanken where a cat until observed in a quantum superposed state of either being dead or alive , by virtue of the neuclide's disintegration. No body knew till schrodinger devised his famous schrodinger PDE, the method to address this indeterminacy. hence the name |
   
Mattiburra
Junior Artist Username: Mattiburra
Post Number: 575 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 122.164.174.52
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 02:36 pm: |
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Proline:"Particle In a Box" ani oka quant theory untadi....predicting particle's behavior and uncertainty...so according to that the cat is alive and dead.
My question is if the cat is in the state of alive and dead can I restore the cat's state to either alive or dead? if the state of cat can be moved from alive to alive and dead then there shld b a possibility of moving to either state of being alive or being dead. |
   
Rush
Junior Artist Username: Rush
Post Number: 235 Registered: 07-2009 Posted From: 75.208.56.170
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 02:34 pm: |
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Mrhyderabad:That is as per the Copenhagen's interpretation. And Schrödinger proposed this experiment to counter that interpretation.
Yes. I was just kidding bro... "matti burra" ni leg pulling |
   
Proline
Side Hero Username: Proline
Post Number: 3225 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 170.22.76.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 02:31 pm: |
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"Particle In a Box" ani oka quant theory untadi....predicting particle's behavior and uncertainty...so according to that the cat is alive and dead. ... |
   
Mattiburra
Junior Artist Username: Mattiburra
Post Number: 572 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 122.164.174.52
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 02:29 pm: |
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Rush:The cat is both alive and dead at any given point in time
I understodd dat. Look at this One can even set up quite ridiculous cases. A cat is penned up in a steel chamber, along with the following device (which must be secured against direct interference by the cat): in a Geiger counter, there is a tiny bit of radioactive substance, so small that perhaps in the course of the hour, one of the atoms decays, but also, with equal probability, perhaps none; if it happens, the counter tube discharges, and through a relay releases a hammer that shatters a small flask of hydrocyanic acid. If one has left this entire system to itself for an hour, one would say that the cat still lives if meanwhile no atom has decayed. The psi-function of the entire system would express this by having in it the living and dead cat (pardon the expression) mixed or smeared out in equal parts. It is typical of these cases that an indeterminacy originally restricted to the atomic domain becomes transformed into macroscopic indeterminacy, which can then be resolved by direct observation. That prevents us from so naively accepting as valid a "blurred model" for representing reality. In itself, it would not embody anything unclear or contradictory. There is a difference between a shaky or out-of-focus photograph and a snapshot of clouds and fog banks cant get the one in bold |
   
Mrhyderabad
Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad
Post Number: 2625 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.118
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 02:28 pm: |
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Rush:The cat is both alive and dead at any given point in time
That is as per the Copenhagen's interpretation. And Schrödinger proposed this experiment to counter that interpretation. If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you |
   
Rush
Junior Artist Username: Rush
Post Number: 234 Registered: 07-2009 Posted From: 75.208.56.170
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 02:25 pm: |
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Mattiburra:vl some1 explaing this in latheman's terms?
The cat is both alive and dead at any given point in time |
   
Mattiburra
Junior Artist Username: Mattiburra
Post Number: 570 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 122.164.174.52
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 02:14 pm: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat vl some1 explaing this in latheman's terms? |