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     Der_schuler Comedian Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 1313 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 198.135.110.2 Rating: N/A |
then why don't u apply the same premise to Astrology and other so called metaphysical branches of inductive reason....what you exhibit is a different kind of blind faith only that its focus is science.....AS YOU UNDERSTAND | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 2438 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.118 Rating: N/A |
Sorry for being a pest, but that still doesn't prove that he conceded defeat. He was disappointed because, he or someone else couldn't prove it during his life time. How could you decipher "defeat and end of physics" from that article? As he said, "science snatched victory from the jaws of defeat". And it happened many a times in the past. So even if there is no visible path in that direction today someone might open a new door tomorrow and prove that Stephen was wrong. Who knows? Btw, Good that they couldn't come close to prove GUT. If they did, "essence" of living life would have been lost. Perception is immune to Intellectual Correction ... | ||
| Der_schuler Comedian Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 1311 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.45.75.188 Rating: N/A |
The point is that we are now referring to a tautological state, if indeterminacy is a given and the observer can't delineate himself from the observed with out fundamentally changing its state, the chance of not realising god can also be tautologically implied by the above. In that light, we now come to the core issue, if this indeterminacy were to be a de facto, why should it start and stop at a certain physical scale i.e the Quantum level??? By the statement of an interconnected system, you raise a very interesting domain. Is interconnectedness a spatial description or temporal or both??? I never ADVOCATED astrology. My stance is that if something like weather forecasting can be deemed as a science then astrology also qualifies to be a science on the back of actually same qualitative unreliability. All that you had posited has one intrinsic assumption that determinism is free of scale!!!!! You some how or the other want to ascribe determinism at the scale of human life too while precluding the necessity of God. The strange case of humans is that we are a superposition of classical states of existence i.e mass at a scale of classical particle and quantum nature of consciousness. This is unique to us animals and that makes life very very intricate....which set of determinism have you seen explaining such a admixture?????? Why is that such a huge issue if the determinism that we are seeking exists at a scale where one wants to experience God which, in a regressive manner, defines the indeterminacy at all lower scales of reality??? | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 162 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 134.159.99.123 Rating: N/A |
books, articles chaduvuthuntey teliyani words chala thagulthay. konchem interest tho gurthupettukodaniki try chesthey konni gurthuntay konni marchipotham. naku antha writing skills levu. intermediate varaku telugu medium. Iamim , Der_schuler ,Nihil et al ..villa english baguntundi. | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 161 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 134.159.99.123 Rating: N/A |
The universe might be indeterminate...All the phenomena might not be explicable in terms of physical structures....experience might be irreducible.....but yet there is no room for God -- the God in traditional sense, the God people believe in, the God personified, The God who can be prayed/lured/mended. your prayers,rituals do not make sense in view of omniscient,omnipotent,omnipresent God. God cannot be skewed reality. indeterminacy of a system need not entail a super agent with exclusive causal efficacy. in an interconnected closed system a disturbance at a particular place can cause remote changes. measurements are not possible without disturbing the state of the system. I do not see any supernatural agent's role in this. if the quantum sates are not known until observed or observer inevitably meddle with the state of the system in question...the same line of thinking can be projected to broader levels. your reality is what your experiencing physical structures offer you. the blueness in blue for you can possibly be redness for others ....there is no way of knowing it. they can be extended to forms or the whole qualia. what is the form of your reality unless you observe it!? where is the objective reality? this is the hard problem of consciousness that David Chalmers pointed out. this cannot be resolved because this is the very nature of finite consciousness or human experience and it needs to be that way. any system may not be able to represent itself in terms of its own constructs.consciousness may never understand itself ( as consequence of Godels work.....what ever understanding means other than understanding the underlying structures from which it emerges). I do not understand how all this vouches for God in traditional sense. I don't understand how rituals/prayers are justified unless they are for personal placebo effects. you advocate astrology while denying determinacy and exact physical laws.I know you are too intelligent to not realize this contradiction. how do you explain your position? | ||
| Der_schuler Comedian Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 1310 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.45.75.188 Rating: N/A |
pew...Hawking was a proponent of GUT which proffered an explanation that the evolution of cosmos can be mapped on to a deterministic set of rules...once such set is found, everything else including human life can be predicted,depicted deterministically. He was a very staunch believer of the existence of GUT...and the so called enthusiasts of the theory of everything rooted for this success for decades and lent religion a blind eye.... Its is a sort of endorsement of metaphysics and its principles that universe is intrinsically irreducible at the level of quantum gravity | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 2433 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.118 Rating: N/A |
Ippude chadivaa. Aa article lo meeru cheppe meaning ekkada vundo naaku ayithe ardham kaaledu. He only said, the quest for truth might never end. Perception is immune to Intellectual Correction ... | ||
| Der_schuler Comedian Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 1308 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 198.135.110.2 Rating: N/A |
Did u read what he spoke in that article...the article itself shud answer a lot of Q's | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 2420 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.118 Rating: N/A |
Mari DER meaning enti? stephen hawking finally conceded his defeat ani annaru? Did he mean anything else? Btw, meeru tantamount ante ... adi yes or no teliyaka dictionary vetakalsi vachindi  mee andariki inta vocabulary elaa possible?Perception is immune to Intellectual Correction ... | ||
| 2cool Junior Artist Username: 2cool Post Number: 478 Registered: 05-2009 Posted From: 64.34.205.33 Rating: N/A |
Mee iddharu kooda narakaniki pothaaru  | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 160 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 123.237.221.43 Rating: N/A |
idi kuda annadu. which is tantamount to No God. | ||
| Cocanada Side Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 8190 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.17 Rating: N/A |
Der annai interesting motham chadivi repu response post chesta | ||
| Kdnumber1 Junior Artist Username: Kdnumber1 Post Number: 578 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 65.120.124.222 Rating: N/A |
Inko 2yrs lo...2012 ki The end of World antunte...nuvvu The end of Physics antaventi...comdy ga | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 2418 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.118 Rating: |
He never said that. I hope you still remember the disco where you screamed your lungs out about the importance of "Tentative" word. Ikkada kuda Stephen Hawking "MAY" ane word use chesaadu. "I'm not religious in the normal sense. I believe the Universe is governed by the laws of science. The laws may have been decreed by God, but God does not intervene to break the laws" Perception is immune to Intellectual Correction ... | ||
| Der_schuler Comedian Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 1304 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 198.135.110.2 Rating: N/A |
the commentary from stephen hawking....link choodandi...makes a lot of sense | ||
| Dhaarkaar Hero Username: Dhaarkaar Post Number: 14701 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 198.204.133.208 Rating: N/A |
examples..?? | ||
| Der_schuler Comedian Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 1303 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 198.135.110.2 Rating: |
http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/strings02/dirac/hawking/ chilakki chepinnatu cheppa podhunna Nisarga ane vyakthi ki LWA ki 1 month nunchi... Stephen Hawking ( I dont consider him as a path breaking scientist) but he is smart physicist......A celebrity.....A stunch defender of GUT(grand unified theory)......at the last concedes defeat... IT IS AFTER THIS SPEECH HE FAMOUSLY QUOTED: "THERE IS GOD and LAWS OF PHYSICS. I WISH HE NEVER BREAKS THE LAWS OF PHYSICS" It is a bitter truth that in the last 30 years science has run out of steam in its quest for Fundamental laws!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
