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Sarvasanga_parithyagi
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Unknown:August lo puttininavaadiki leadership qualities koncham yekkuva yendhuku kanapadathaayi??
ee anniyya seppanivanni baaney vunnayi kaani.....ee mukka endhi comedy gaa vundhi........August lo puttina oka megaaaaa anniyya ki ee quality baagaa thakkuvani janaala vuvaachaaa......
If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.
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2cool
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Ishan:
annai db kosam antha range lona..ayina em prove chesina em labham..andaru mallee jaathakam zindabad antaaru..mindset alaa ayipoyindi already..$$$ ekkuva involve ayite emanna chance vundi |
Woodpecker
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astrology/predictions antha permutations and combinations anukuntunna
bill gates puttina time/date ki saala mandi putte untaru, vallandaru bill gates avvaled ga |
Ishan
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2cool:jyothisham ledhu bondam bajji ledhu..anni vadili denkithe jyothisham BS ani one minute lo prove cheyyochhu oka khatrnak prof killer gadini pattukelli
The question is would you really be able to do that?
As MS said, scientific evidence is needed to disapprove or approve any theory. |
Mental_sachinodu
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2cool:jyothisham ledhu bondam bajji ledhu..anni vadili denkithe jyothisham BS ani one minute lo prove cheyyochhu oka khatrnak prof killer gadini pattukelli
2cool garu,
i am happy either way, i do not believe in astrology, if some one astrology does not work based on it principles, i will be more than glad to read about it. in the realm of science everything needs atleast an axiomatic approach either to prove or disprove something.
lets take this argument of mine, If i argue that "this entire universe, including you, me and everyone else were created five minutes earlier, and everything you remember, everything you know, everything everyone knows is pre programmed, even the fossils of beings of the bygone era were placed exactly the way they are to be found."
none will be able to disprove it scientifically, but my argument will not qualified as a truth since nobody disproved it. same goes with astrology or any other concept.
same goes with the arguments that astrology is nothing but BS. it cannot be accepted as a truth, until some one proves it is not a truth.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada |
2cool
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jyothisham ledhu bondam bajji ledhu..anni vadili denkithe jyothisham BS ani one minute lo prove cheyyochhu oka khatrnak prof killer gadini pattukelli |
Ishan
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Mental_sachinodu:the above observation is accurate with todays scientific analysis, but i do not know, how did the early astrologists deduct this.
Isn't it amazing that predictions of vedic astrologists matches with modern mathematical findings! Its a shame that we dont know their methodologies though.
Mental_sachinodu:Now the vedic system believes that we(living systems) are part of nature, and at a bigger picture we are a part of the cosmos, and in cosmos the influence of celestial bodies on another is approved by modern science too, but how far these celestial bodies effect living beings is a point of contention. i guess that is the whole argument about.
Here is an interesting essay I found. I particularly like the Solar wind concept and electromagnetism theory.
For those who understand astrology, there remains little doubt to its validity. Although there’s no conclusive scientific evidence that adequately explains why astrology works, there are some scientific theories that abound indicating why it can work. There have been many intellectuals, including Sir Isaac Newton and Carl Jung, who have believed in the validity of astrology.
A Cosmic Pattern
Carl Jung best explained the idea of the cosmic clock by stating that time is not a linear phenomenon. What happens at one moment will influence what happens at another moment in time. In other words, things happen because they are related and correspond to each other. Everything is connected. At a given time, the sun, moon and planets are all in a specified position in the sky. Their movements are given and precise. The astrologer has learned through the years to interpret what meanings these positions have on a variety of events. By knowing the precise time of one’s birth, an astrologer can tell what tendencies and characteristics this person possesses from the positions of the planets at that given time.
The Solar Wind
The solar wind is the stream of energy particles from the corona of the sun. The events of the sun affects the earth, since we’re in its magnetic field. Maurice Cotterell, an independent scientist, proposed theories about the solar wind that lends credence to the validity of astrology in a published work called The Mayan Prophecies. In the book, Mr. Cotterell theorized that the effect of the solar wind varies according to what area in space one is positioned. It has been scientifically proved that DNA, which influences a being's physical appearance and personality, is affected by the earth’s electromagnetism, which in turn is affected by the solar wind. So as the earth orbits the sun through different regions of space, our DNA becomes affected and shaped by the earth’s position in relation to the sun, creating the different personalities according to its zodiacal position at that time.
Resonance
Dr Percy Seymour took the idea of how electromagnetism affects personality one step further. In his book The Scientific Basis of Astrology, he explains that we, as electromagnetic beings, are resonating this energy via the earth’s magnetic field. The electromagnetic influences of the earth help shape the embryo so that at the time of birth, each individual has a specific electromagnetic field. This field remains with us throughout our life. One’s lifetime experiences relates to the interplay of our birth time electromagnetic programming with the ongoing positions and electromagnetic influences of the planets throughout the years.
As mentioned, there is no conclusive scientific explanation for astrology. However, many renowned scientists have accepted the validity of astrology. Through scientific inferences, one can conclude that there is sufficient evidence that it does work and that we are part of a greater all-encompassing, interconnecting universal reality.
Source: http://astrology.suite101.com/article.cfm/how_astrology_work s#ixzz0LAKOnKel&C |
Mental_sachinodu
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Ishan:I actually doubt if astrology can be considered as science because science relies on analysis of observations made after experimental testing of an hypothesis which is formulated based upon the interpretations of previous findings or observations. What observations does astrology interpret? Can you apply scientific method to astrology?
Ishan garu,
Astrology is a very broad term to be used, which part of astrology are you referring to. If you are referring to the part of astrology that relates to the depicting the course of heavenly bodies, it can be considered a science. Like you have mentioned, these principles are based on deductions from observation. The reason the astrologists have selected Dhruva, as the fixated nakshathra, and calculated taking earth as the relative center for the heavenly bodies, makes me think that their deductions are based on observations carried at night, and in the day time, we can hardly see anything in the skies.
Now if anyone asks me what are the results of observations, I do not know. That is one of the main weak points of the most indian ancient studies, the actual analysis is missing to study. But if we go by the results astrologists can predict the location of various stars and other planets over varied periods.
lets take a deduction about the sidereal times used by astrologists,
"The earth rotates around its axis in 24 hours, in what may be termed a mean solar day. In other words, the mean solar day is a function of earth's rotation in relation to the Sun. Considered with reference to any fixed star in the zodiac, the earth completes its one rotation in approximately 23 hours and 56 minutes (23 hours, 56 minutes, 4.09 seconds, to be precise). One rotation of the earth in relation to a fixed star is called a sidereal day. Said in another manner, a sidereal day is the time interval between two successive transits of a fixed star over the meridian of a place. A sidereal day is 3 minutes and 56 seconds (or roughly 4 minutes) shorter than the mean solar day.
A sidereal day consists of 24 sidereal hours. Time reckoned according to this method is called the sidereal time .Since the sidereal time considers the angular rotation of the earth in relation to the fixed stars of the zodiac, the earth will attain the same position with reference to the zodiac every day at the same sidereal time. In other words, for any location, for the same sidereal time, the disposition of the signs of the zodiac (including the rising sign, the setting sign, the tenth house, the 4th house, etc.) will be the same. This is the reason why it is essential to obtain the correct sidereal time for the purposes of erecting an astrological chart for any given moment of mean solar time as provided by the watch.
Why is the mean solar day longer than the sidereal day? By the time the earth rotates once, with reference to a fixed star, i.e., in one sidereal day, the Sun has moved by approximately 1° thereby consuming approximately 4 additional minutes each day."
the above observation is accurate with todays scientific analysis, but i do not know, how did the early astrologists deduct this.
Ishan:Having said that, as an offshoot of my strong belief in advaitha-vedantha, I tend to believe that everything in this universe is interconnected. We think we are different and cant be influenced by a celestial body a million light years away from us, but my strong belief is that could be.
I feel that your idea of influence of one body over the other is a hidden cause in astrology. We all know seasons vary on earth mainly due it is position during various months around the year, in a way speaking the planetary motion influences the weather on earth, scientists have theorized that moon plays a major role in balancing the weather on earth, and they consider the position of moon in forecasting weather, is it not similar to astrology!!?
Now the vedic system believes that we(living systems) are part of nature, and at a bigger picture we are a part of the cosmos, and in cosmos the influence of celestial bodies on another is approved by modern science too, but how far these celestial bodies effect living beings is a point of contention. i guess that is the whole argument about.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada |
Ishan
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Mental_sachinodu:The cause and effect phenomenon: In my view physical sciences depend upon a cause and effect relationship, which astrology apparently seems lacking, but consider this, In physical sciences, there may be a gross cause or a subtle cause, producing a physically visible or gross effect. Gravitation, which is a subtle cause, produces a gross effect of attracting a physical body towards the earth. In the case of astrology, the cause is always subtle while the effect can be appreciable and predictable according to rules. The subtle cause in case of astrology is the cosmic force represented by the disposition of the various heavenly bodies.
I actually doubt if astrology can be considered as science because science relies on analysis of observations made after experimental testing of an hypothesis which is formulated based upon the interpretations of previous findings or observations. What observations does astrology interpret? Can you apply scientific method to astrology?
Having said that, as an offshoot of my strong belief in advaitha-vedantha, I tend to believe that everything in this universe is interconnected. We think we are different and cant be influenced by a celestial body a million light years away from us, but my strong belief is that could be.
Gravity is perhaps the most influential fundamental physical force guiding this universe. Gravity keeps solar systems in tact, blackholes do their work, responsible for the shape,size and movement of galaxies. How can we rule out the gravitational effect of Jupiter on Earth? Gravitational effects alter weather on earth eventually altering the lifestyles of human beings and finally leading to change their behaviours. If moon didnt exist, life doest exist on earth! thats gravity.
The question is on what basis astrology could predict these changes? |
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Siloan:e lopala ikkada huntingg...
Ok ok all the best |
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Kadapanagfan:Howdy Mam!!!India velta annnavu velllava leka still in usa ney naaaa
hello mam's...India next month anukuntunna....e lopala ikkada huntingg...
idly babai korika meraku... |
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Siloan:
May be he looked at Chiru's chart as a long fan of his movie idol
Howdy Mam!!!India velta annnavu velllava leka still in usa ney naaaa |
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Rajusk:Siloan,
His prediction aside he is one of the most reverred astrologer in today's world... A great human being..
May be he looked at Chiru's chart as a long fan of his movie idol
I know raju bedar....website cheppandi...nenu marichitini
idly babai korika meraku... |
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Siloan,
His prediction aside he is one of the most reverred astrologer in today's world... A great human being..
May be he looked at Chiru's chart as a long fan of his movie idol |
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Rajusk:There are 16 different charts each representing a different area of life...for example you can predict the color of the car someone will posess..I myself did it for my friend..he laughed when I told him that he might buy a white car...white car for a guy in the US aa ani? He still drives the same white car today
naa car color white kiki
అందమయిన జీవితము. అందమయిన ప్రపంచం. కొత్త బంగారు లొకము మాకు కావాలి సొంతము. |
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Rajusk:
rajue bedar ..appudeppudo meeru cheppina astrologer (link kooda ichharu...US lo settled anii) CHIRU CM ayye chances vunnayani predict chesinattu gurthu...
aa web site link vunte pettandi...
meeru cheppina CAR color prediction..nenu kooda vinnanu frnd valla uncle daggara...
idly babai korika meraku... |
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Lot of people have the misconception that Vedic Astrology does not talk about other planets apart from the 9 mentioned... In fact there are upa grahas who carry their sphere of influence...
Astrology is not the 2 charts that you see your Astrologer draws in India...
There are 16 different charts each representing a different area of life...for example you can predict the color of the car someone will posess..I myself did it for my friend..he laughed when I told him that he might buy a white car...white car for a guy in the US aa ani? He still drives the same white car today |
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Mental_sachinodu:
Jambalahaart_raja:
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Lionswalkalone:Is Astrology a science? or is it a divine / holy phenomenon? is it a language...or is it an art? what the heck is it?
Lionswalkalone garu,
before continuing our discussion further, I believe in study of every phenomenon, i believe in personal effort to deduce own opinions rather than taking /using others opinions to make my points. I know life is too short for everyone to study and understand everything. Here i am merely looking at astrology as a topic of discussion, what i know about it, what i understand about it.
raised intersting questions,
will debate along these lines. But before we proceed along these lines.
Is astrology a science?
i will discuss this in detail.
Lionswalkalone:Is it tentative?? ...does it admit that it may not be correct or may have to be revised from time to time...?...are changes made as new data is discovered???
yes, astology has been revised numerous times, when it was studies as a science itself in times bygone. i am sure it can still be revised if anyone interested in the subject has enough proficiency to do it. this is just not my opinion, but many astrologers i have asked this question have given the same opinion.
Lionswalkalone:Gurudu, sukrudu tho paatu "chandrudu" is listed as one of the planets....we all know now that moon is not a planet....Mari update chesaama?..Cheddaama..? vadda?
may be it's blasphemy...
brother,
i am not sure who have said they are planets, a definition of planet in modern science is not the same as "graham" in astrology. it is just merely our half baked deduction that moon is defined as a planet in out astrology. infact, moon is just one "graham: just like sun is a "graham"
Lionswalkalone:Is it empirically testable and falsifiable??... If so, How can we test it..?
sure you can test it brother. lets take the following instances.
astrology defines earth as spherical. which can be tested.
astrology defines the orbits of various grahams, which can be scientifically tested.
astrology defines the area of cirle, eclipse, and many other geometrical figures which can be tested. the value of pi was used extensively in astrology.
lets take this statement from aryabhatta
"One half of the ecliptic, running from the beginning of the sign Aries to the end of the sign Virgo, lies obliquely inclined
(to the equator) northwards. The remaining half (or the ecliptic)
running from the beginning of the sign Libra to the end of the sign Pisces, lies (equally inclined to the equator) southwards."
this has been scientifically verified.
Lionswalkalone:is it definitive?.. is it progressive...? what is it..? is it internally and externally consistent..?
we will discuss this as we move further along.
Lionswalkalone:How does jupiter effect my daily life or my future..? is it because of the gravitational pull it exerts on my mind..? or it some other force..?..if it is a different force, what is it..?
when a particular cosmic body moves in a particular way, does it effect the life of every human in one way or other..? or is it restricted to some..?
we will discuss this as we move along further.
Lionswalkalone:Can u apply astrology to animals?... do they have Jaatakam...
as far as i know the cause and effect principle which is the basic of any physical sciences is the major concept in astrology too, and to me i do not see any reason why it cant be applied to animals.
Lionswalkalone:Fxuckx, I guess I am just not qualified enuff to raise any of these questions..
annai,
i can see that there is a hint of sarcasm in it, but your initial post was no where as clear as what this post it. i do not judge whether you are qualified or not, but i will leave that for yourself.
Lionswalkalone:Medhavulu evaranna vuntey dobbul ettakunda koncham gnanodayam kaliginchi punyam kattukondi...mee runam vunchukonu!
medhavulu avasaram ledhu annai, interest unna vaalu evaraina study chesi thelusukovachu.
Lionswalkalone:Is Astrology a science? or is it a divine / holy phenomenon? is it a language...or is it an art? what the heck is it?
ok, back to main question
before continuing our discussion further, let me make myself clear, I believe in study of every phenomenon, i believe in personal effort to deduce own opinions rather than taking /using others opinions to make my points. I know life is too short for everyone to study and understand everything. Here i am merely looking at astrology as a topic of discussion, what i know about it, what i understand about it. I in no way endorse astrology, also i have never depended on astrology in any kind of decision making, so far in my life.
raised intersting questions,
will debate along these lines. But before we proceed along these lines.
Is astrology a science?
Yes, webster defines science as "knowledge attained through study or practice," . going by this definition astrology is a science. remember it is the study carried on by an era before us. Astrology includes today's astronomy, today's mathematics and many other branches of science like metallurgy.
The cause and effect phenomenon: In my view physical sciences depend upon a cause and effect relationship, which astrology apparently seems lacking, but consider this, In physical sciences, there may be a gross cause or a subtle cause, producing a physically visible or gross effect. Gravitation, which is a subtle cause, produces a gross effect of attracting a physical body towards the earth. In the case of astrology, the cause is always subtle while the effect can be appreciable and predictable according to rules. The subtle cause in case of astrology is the cosmic force represented by the disposition of the various heavenly bodies.
It may be noted, however, that astrology deals with a multitude of phenomena on the earth. This being so, there are numerous parameters and a methodology more elaborate than we usually intend to consider.
Lets take a look from a higher level and see what discplines fall under the category of astrology.
(1) Samhita : This deals with collectivity or multitudes. It encompasses such varied areas as weather forecasts, agricultural produce, natural disasters, floods, famines, wars, earthquakes, cyclones, market trends, changes in government, national and international events, and virtually anything that influences the masses. The annual world predictions which are generally based either on Hindu New Year commencing on the Chaitra Shukla Pratipada, or on the solar Ingress into Mesha, fall under the Samhita astrology.
(2) Siddhanta or Tantra or Ganita : This deals with the mathematical aspects of astrology. There are several treatises on Siddhanta Astrology but five among them are considered as particularly important. They are :
(a) Surya Siddhanta
(b) Paulisha Siddhanta
(c) Romaka Siddhanta
(d) Vasishtha Siddhanta
(e) Paitamaha Siddhanta
(3) Hora : It deals with :
(a) Individual horoscopes, or Jataka, or natal charts of a person.
(b) Muhurta or electional Astrology, which concerns itself with the election of favourable planetary dispositions to achieve specific accomplishments in day-to-day life.
Now, lets dig a bit more deep into what actually the basic elements of astrology are,
why vedic astrology chose earth as the center?
Astrologers were aware that nothing in the universe was stationary. Infact, astrology defines universe as infinite(which no other science until recently has acknowledged). It was, therefore, irrelevant to attempt to pick up a fixed point in the sky, and consider the movements of earth and other heavenly bodies in relation to such a point. they therefore, considered the position and movement of all heavenly bodies in relation to the earth itself. It is no wonder then that Indian astronomy and astrology consider the earth as the centre, and all other heavenly bodies moving around it in one manner or the other. The Indian astronomy is thus geocentric. Also astrologers, do appreciate the Sun to be the centre of the solar system, but he also appreciates that the Sun, the solar system, as well as the stars are all moving. Hence he considered the pole star Dhruva as the point of relative fixity at the centre of heavenly bodies in the galaxy. With such profound appreciation of astronomy, one can'ts attribute ignorance of the earthly movements to the ancient Indian astronomer.
Zodiac
Imagine a belt or a path in the sky, some 18 degrees of arc in width, running around the earth in an east-west direction. Groups of stars, to all appearance fixed, are studded along this imaginary belt. Twenty seven (or twenty eight!) such groups of stars are recognised in Vedic astrology. Because of lack of apparent motion, these are called as Nakshatras. This imaginary belt, with nakshatras studded on it, is called the zodiac. The zodiac forms the reference point for fixing up the position of any planet or star in the sky. Since it encircles the earth, it is comprised of 360 degrees. The twenty-seven nakshatras being evenly placed on it each have a span of 13'20' arc. The various nakshatras are numbered from one to twenty-seven.
The zodiac is a 18 deg wide band placed obliquely to the equator.It is divided in 12 rashis and 27 nakshatras.
In contrast to the fixed nakshatras, there are the moving heavenly bodies called the Grahas. These move along the zodiac from the west to the east. They derive their name from the fact that, while moving against the background of the nakshatras, they appear to get hold of one nakshatra after the other (graha = to catch hold of). Vedic astrology recognises nine grahas. They are the Sun, the Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, Satrun, Rahu and Ketu. Of these, the Sun is a star, the Moon is a satellite of the earth, Rahu and Ketu are mere mathematical points on the zodiac, while the remaining ones are planets. For the sake of descriptive convenience, we shall refer to all of these as 'planets'. These planets (appear to) revolve around the earth while staying within the limits of the zodiac. The apparent path of the Sun along the zodiac is known as the ecliptic. The ecliptic passes through the centre of the zodiac. It is inclined at an angle of 23'28' to the plane of the equator. The extra-Saturnine planets, called Uranus, Neptune and Pluto has not been considered deliberately as they do not form a part of Vedic astrology.
now if we consider these basic elements, these all can be scientifically verified.
In my next post i will try to give details as to how time is divided according to astrology.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada |
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Anand_n:Now you are thinking progressively
I don't remember, how far you remember our discussions over the previous few months but, I have always questioned certain aspects.......Why the all pervasive brahman concept/aspect at all?? Agreed it exists, why not stable and constant through out?? so much more questioning............the answers to which........
Anand_n:If you do not question, you do not grow
Anand_n:Why are you going to scientology for answers ?
I must admit, no offense taken please, throughout our entire discussion, my prime focus was to explain to you, THERE ARE NO ABSOLUTE ANSWERS!!!! But, that point never gets driven, despite sincere attempts with several analogies, prolonged explanations, case-studies and what not....... The ABSOLUTE is out there, we must be able to comprehend it, understand it, appreciate it and most importantly seek it. We may either think all by ourselves for the answers, but the answers we would find will be according to our own beliefs based on our HALF-BAKED KNOWLEDGE. We may or else, seek answers from other LEARNED men -- by learned, I don't mean educated and literates like you and me and instead, people who have achieved certain levels of divinity - someone in the lines of Shirdi Sai Baba or Swami Vivekananda, or Mata Amritaanandamayee or Puttaparthi Sai Baba.......depends on believing whole-heartedly again.
I must narrate this story of a friend of mine. He pursued his +1 and +2 from Puttaparthi arsham school and their daily routine were prayers in the evenings sometime after 5. All the students and staff would assemble in a huge ground with several aisle spaces in between. My friend, one particular day, happenned to be immediately next to an aisle, along which Baba were very certainly not going to pass through. My friend, felt the urge to test if Baba was truly telepathic and so he closed his eyes and concentrated deeply that Baba should come closer to him along the aisle, infact, that did happen. Baba, came to my friend on that very day, offered his blessings and left, with no particular reason. My friend, since then, became a staunch devotee.
In the modern age of FREEDOM and QUESTIONING, you and I with our limited knowledge and comprehension of the TRUTH/FACTS, how many questions can we raise having considered a very specific premise and jotted down in particular the very specifics of the boundaries of the topics? And how many answers would we be able to give each other that could satisfy the thirst to seek more knowledge?? Though we were born as plain white pages, our intellect, comprehension everything has already been blinded by the circumstances we have faced until date, our reactions to them, our genes that demonstrate our specific reactions and the repurcussions of the reactions that have already occurred. As I mentioned in another post of mine, are we even able to put each other in one another's shoes to facilitate a perfectly free exchange of ideas??
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Jambalahaart_raja:Scientology gives all the answers. Replace God with Energy and everything that is attributable to God becomes self-explanatory.
Why are you going to scientology for answers ? I have not read scientology but from what you said it is the same as Advaita Vedanta philosophy of the Upanishads The all pervasive,all inclusive, "non-interfering" Isvara/Brahman concept is the essence of Advaita ..and that is what works for me - like Cocanada said the other day all these are different religions under the philosophy of hinduism
Jambalahaart_raja:Most popular religious text Bhagavad Gita loney oka serious flaw undi,
Now you are thinking progressively 
Jambalahaart_raja: "Athaha Brahma Jignyasa!!!" which means, "Therefore, one must enquire Lord Brahma".
Finally someone comes to the gist of it all If you do not question, you do not grow
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Basky_indya:
millions worship MJ, but akkada puttaparthi lo MJ velli mokkuthadu... kiki
puttaparti MJ vellada..? Koddiga video vunte supettu annai....edava reasons seppamaka... |
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Anand_n:but adi kuda mana scripture lone chepparu ani meeru science antaru
Indaake cheppanu, that is because different preachers preached it differently. Most popular religious text Bhagavad Gita loney oka serious flaw undi, puttina vaallu gittaka tappadu, gittina vaallu puttaka tappadu ante, latest era lo world-wide population growth elaa ayyindi?? yekkada nunchi vachhaaru yee latest count anthaa?? vaari karma philosophy enti mari???
Scientology gives all the answers. Replace God with Energy and everything that is attributable to God becomes self-explanatory. Anuvanuvunaa, akhanda brahmandamuna........anthataa Energy nindi undi.....Every soul, every matter, everything is energy and fate of anything is the path along which this energy flows -- because it's very nature is instability, seeking equilibrium. Only it is aware of what is next. Mana Hindu mythology prakaaram, be it Lord Vishnu, Lord Shiva and Goddess Shakthi, yelaa represent chesinaa, the idea is the same. You can't control this energy, but it is the same thing inside you, inside me, inside Inguva seeds and inside chicken nuggets!!!!! |
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except jambal no one in this thread is debating (counter). rest are only saying not to bash without knowing it 100% antunnaru anthe...
i too did not debate...
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Anand_n:Isn't this based just on belief ? So many perhaps' ...
So many perhaps valla meeru alaa aalochisthey, we have to part ways only. I can't peel up the banana anymore.
Anand_n:I will let our scientists or/and veda pandits revive, interpret and validate the relevance of everything
Vedas, though they are considered the most valued source of knowledge, are completely lost right now. Please mark my words again - COMPLETELY LOST. So what modern intellect is doing is re-evaluating what surrounds us, Science/Facts. Until, the 1900s, biological cell was considered the smallest element, then it was composed of molecules, then atom was the smallest and then nucleus has even smaller particles with immense amount of energy. The quest goes on....
Induke, the very first Rig Veda starts with a conclusion - "Athaha Brahma Jignyasa!!!" which means, "Therefore, one must enquire Lord Brahma". The beginning of seeking knowledge is the end itself.
Anand_n:Please give the same respect to people who do debate and do not try to tell them they are wrong in doing so...adi kuda nammakame
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Basky_indya:almost everytime you kind of people the so called progressive thinkers almost provoke/start making noise...
nammevadu eppudu thread eshi dabba kottatledugaa memu nammuthunnam.. ani
its everytime your take...
Eppudu nammani vade question chestadu..
Scripture ni question cheste why do you perceive it as a personal blow ?
Thinking and questioning e problem anukunte you could have simply declined to debate
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Jambalahaart_raja:That is life, and that is astrology.
If believing that works for you and helps you live a better life, more power to you
Jambalahaart_raja:mee bhaasha lo -- naaku idi dharmam anipinchadu.
Maybe it is not true - anduke nenu belief antanu - but adi kuda mana scripture lone chepparu ani meeru science antaru
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Anand_n:Please give the same respect to people who do debate and do not try to tell them
Afaik with due respects, this is not a 2 sided agreed debate.
almost everytime you kind of people the so called progressive thinkers almost provoke/start making noise...
nammevadu eppudu thread eshi dabba kottatledugaa memu nammuthunnam.. ani
its everytime your take...
reg science todays science is too little 100-200 yrs old just and not enough to decrypt the whole vedic science..
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Anand_n:MAri ee probablilities cheppi jatakam chepte baguntadi instead of misleading people...
Anand_n:So if the astrologer's intellect is flawed, should people be basing their lives on the perceptions of this flawed intellect ?
baagundi mee varasa..........Girls should cover up a bit ante, it is up to their will, it is their FREEDOM ani meeru antaaru, jaatakam chepte entha nammaali, entha nammakoodadu anedi free will kaadaa?? mislead chesinattaa!!!!!
Jaatakam cheppevaallu koodaa induke chaalaa jaagrattagaa chepthaaru. Their choice of words particularly are so refined, it's amusing to see how amazingly they convey their predictions. Anduloney telisipothundi, nammochho ledo. Attili chirabaraananda swamy peru cheppukuno......JC gaaru chepparano.......it is still free will. kaliyugam lo namminchevaadidi kante, namme vaadide tappu yekkuva - anduke meeru cheppina dharmam (ethics) vonti kaalu meeda nilapadindi.
Oka funny incident in my life -- when I was just 21, maa family anthaa regular gaa oka astrolger ni consult chesthu unde vaallam, every 6 months once. When I was 23, one fine day, the astrologer wasn't available and his son suggested my parents to get me married off at the earliest. 2 years varaku sariggaa sambandhaalu dorakatamledu, avathala maa mother peak frustration - I never understood why mom's get so panicked that there are no good brides, anyways, oka sambandham baane undi ani talks start chesaaka, 4 months taravatha fail avvatam start ayyindi. naaku ishtam, mom ki ishtam ledu........nene chaalaa saagadeesaa, last ki I succumbed to my mom's pressure and had to give it up. The marriage was called off and it's been an year since i stopped looking anymore, chiraakhu vesindi. But, the funny fact is, this was to happen, the break-up was to happen, might not have been perceived by the young-chap but everything rolled up to the incident. That is life, and that is astrology.
Anand_n:So you are saying karma siddhanta is false
This will be an entirely different debate. Never understood it completely.
17 years gaa lokam teliyani oka young fellow, at the max ye sharpner, rubber, pencil, pen, paper, notebook, exam-pad, chalks, duster laantivi dobbesi undina pilladu, yeppudaina vayasu prabhaavam toh pakka bench lo koorchunna ammayiki line veyatam tappithey rapes, murders laantivi cheyani oka pilladu........vaadi family ki pedda dikku ayina vaalla father, yedo state government department lo yevado chesina fraud case lo irukkuni Charlapalli central jail lo padi unte, yelaa vidipinchukovaalo koodaa sarigga avagaahana leni pilladu........vaadi jeevitham lo vachhina atuvanti kashtakaalaaniki ye karma valla punishment -- your Honor!!!!!
6 year old little girl, aaduthu paaduthu school ki velli chaduvukuntu, rhymes nerchukuni, allari chesthu, varsham padina evening pakodeelu tinaalsina bujji paapaayi, oka nirupeda kutumbam lo putti, pootaki gathileka amma rojanthaa kashtapadi mesthri pani chesthu tattalu buttalu yetthi naalugu raallu sampaadisthey, 2 yr old little brother ni chankana vesukuni oka pakka vaadini aadisthu, inko pakka daaham vesthunna pani vaallaki neellu andisthu.......puttinappati nunchi ye paapam chesindi ani aa nirupeda kutumbam lo aa paapa alaanti brathuku jeevisthondi -- your honor???
mee answer naaku telsu........every janma or life is like a bank account, when the account if full or empty, at any rate, after a stipulated time, the balance is transferred over into a new account. mee bhaasha lo -- naaku idi dharmam anipinchadu. |
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Jambalahaart_raja: Vedic scriptures lo science, perhaps and possibly, beyond normal human comprehension. Perhaps they were scripted by scientists much much greater than Einstein, perhaps they very well were aware of the entire DNA modeling of the Universe, of Destinies, perhaps they knew the Equation of the Universe.
Isn't this based just on belief ? So many perhaps' ...
Jambalahaart_raja:Anduke, they were valued so much, and we have lost all that knowledge completely, with some of it only revived in a very minimal level.
Lot of things lose value over time... I will let our scientists or/and veda pandits revive, interpret and validate the relevance of everything , before claiming them to be the perfect and complete science
Jambalahaart_raja:Sagam telisi vaadisthey elaa untado alaa undi ee debate........anduke yevari nammakaalaki vaallani vadileyatam manchidi!!!!!
Anta teliste debate ki avasaram e ledu - it is only because there is a quest to learn that debate happens... That's the way I think ...
It is your choice to debate or not...
Please give the same respect to people who do debate and do not try to tell them they are wrong in doing so...adi kuda nammakame
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Anand_n:cheppi jatakam chepte baguntadi instead of misleading people...
misleading celebrities ani kooda ante baguntadi.
millions worship MJ, but akkada puttaparthi lo MJ velli mokkuthadu... kiki
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Anand_n:Science ante scientific ga analyse cheyyamantunna
nimitha maathrulam, analyze chesentha science meeku raadu naaku raadu.
In this context, I remember a very interesting fact about Albert Einstein. Did you know his last interest around the 1950's was deducing the equation of the Universe? He firmly believed that there can be two beliefs philosophically - either the Universe is a miracle, just like what religions preach or that Everything has a plan -- which decades later, appears to be much like my analogy on DNA. He questioned the Newton's models and Kepler's laws of Planetary motion, and demanded questions on how could the 9 planets be placed exactly at those locations, in those orbits, revolving around only one star, the sun, the moons revolving around the planets, the asteroid belts, and how could exactly the same model be mimicked in an atom. Schrodinger, Heisenberg, Neils Bohr.......everybody presented their scientific postulates but the common thing was, it's all the same!!!!! So Einstein challenged to sit down and devise one single equation that explains the balance of energy throughout the universe. Unfortunately, he passed away leaving for us only a blank sheet of paper.
Knowledge, Truth, Science is out there. It exists flawlessly. It is up to us to be able to even comprehend it. Vedic scriptures lo science, perhaps and possibly, beyond normal human comprehension. Perhaps they were scripted by scientists much much greater than Einstein, perhaps they very well were aware of the entire DNA modeling of the Universe, of Destinies, perhaps they knew the Equation of the Universe. Anduke, they were valued so much, and we have lost all that knowledge completely, with some of it only revived in a very minimal level. Sagam telisi vaadisthey elaa untado alaa undi ee debate........anduke yevari nammakaalaki vaallani vadileyatam manchidi!!!!! |
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Jambalahaart_raja:Infact, I personally believe, the best anybody could score is not more than 20, not even pass-mark 35. Right answer ki deduced answer ki nakkaki naagalokaaniki unnatha tedaa untundi, atleast pattern of getting to there somewhere goes right.
MAri ee probablilities cheppi jatakam chepte baguntadi instead of misleading people...
Jambalahaart_raja:Science exists flawless, it is our intellect, how we perceive it.
So if the astrologer's intellect is flawed, should people be basing their lives on the perceptions of this flawed intellect ?
Jambalahaart_raja:Dharma/dharmam is always meant to be duty of one's life, fulfillment of one's purpose. Meeru adiginadi nyaayam gurinchi, dharmam aney question andulo ledu.
Dharmam to me is ethics - taking responsibility and consequences for my actions - your definition seems to be different..
Jambalahaart_raja:And the common thing is that, life is not what you think or do gets back, there is always something beyond your control. Believe It, fear It, praise It, appease It, for it is always the other end of this tunnel of life.
So you are saying karma siddhanta is false
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Basky_indya:verevalllu aithe out of ignarance... aaah....
Nenu evarini follow avvaddu ani cheppalede ? Belief system ayite no question..
Science ante scientific ga analyse cheyyamantunna
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meee inti mundhu rangoli esthe, aesthetic designnnn that too choice...
eduru inti vaadu roju mugggu lesthe, palletooori bythulu ...
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Anand_n:You tell me - how many astrologers constitute a valid sample ?
You tell me - how many world renowned mathematicians could solve all the problems perfectly in a world maths olympiad paper?
You tell me - how many scientists in the world can dabble with each and every scientific theory, definition or atleast the essence of the postulates, any given moment of time.
You tell me - who is a non-error prone perfect human, group, race, country, continent???
Every birth-chart is like a maths question paper, previous paper lo 100 vachhaayi ani anni papers lo continously 100 koodaa yevvaru score cheyaleru. Infact, I personally believe, the best anybody could score is not more than 20, not even pass-mark 35. Right answer ki deduced answer ki nakkaki naagalokaaniki unnatha tedaa untundi, atleast pattern of getting to there somewhere goes right.
Anand_n:by the clout of my money
meere answer chepparu. let's dissect your answer chronologically. tilaadaanam start ayina time lo, appatlo.......dabbu unna chota power untundi. power unna chota paripaalana untundi. paripaalinchaalsina vaallu sani valla bad effects unte, adi vaallake kaadu, raajyam lo prajalandariki haanikarame. so, dabbu ichhhi, sani transfer chesukovataaniki yevaraina ready aa ani choosi undevaaru. Ippudu, along time-lines choosthey........dabbu common. Economic disparities have reduced greatly among various castes, chatur-varnas, however we might want to call it. but sentiment is the same, sani naakoddu, tilaadaanam puchhukuni sani transfer chesukune vaallavu kaavali, alaa korukuni, financially demand ni meet avvagala stomatha unnavaallu ekkuva ayyaaru anthey.........
Ippudu tilaadaanam puchhukunnavaallu em chesthaaru anedi question. They needed money, but they have the time and resources to perform poojas every day, for their own graha santhi. Naa intlo naa satyanarayana vratham nenu cheskovachhhu, naaku manthraalu raaka kada brahmin ni appoint chesukunedi. alaane, naa graha santhi nenu chesukovachhu, time and resources undaali anthey. Naaku lekapote, there is always an option of delegating it over to someone else.
Anand_n:astrology based on your horoscope at birth is just that- guesswork ...
ante manishe wrong, not the science associated. Science exists flawless, it is our intellect, how we perceive it.
Anand_n:idi ekkadi dharmam ?
Dharma/dharmam is always meant to be duty of one's life, fulfillment of one's purpose. Meeru adiginadi nyaayam gurinchi, dharmam aney question andulo ledu.
Anand_n:why is it that they invalidate each other ?
Only because, different preachers have preached the same thing differently. What is preached is not what is important, what is the common thing is what that is important. And the common thing is that, life is not what you think or do gets back, there is always something beyond your control. Believe It, fear It, praise It, appease It, for it is always the other end of this tunnel of life. Religion is about blindly believing in it, Science is about enquiring it - like a penance. Both lead to the same, only the paths are different. |
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meeru follow aithe out of choice,
verevalllu aithe out of ignarance... aaah....
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Basky_indya:andarooooo bachelor ship teeskuntaara ani aduguthunna....
Personal choice and free will antanu
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scientifically + financially if i can prove that single life is more easy, more to save, much to enjoy, no frills life ani prove chesthey
andarooooo bachelor ship teeskuntaara ani aduguthunna....
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Basky_indya:I will say ITS AS LONG AS VALID UNTIL DISPROVED.
after 100 years, NEWTON 3rd LAW MAY BECOME A JOKE. appudu koooda mana next gem ilage manalni kindal chestharu..
You are going off on tangent from the discussion...
If you are right and the 3rd law is disproved in my lifetime, you will not find me trying to still hang on to it saying my ancestors believed it scientifically so it is valid for all time even if it is disproved
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Anand_n:
I can show you many brahmacharis who did not marry like famous scientists, vajpayee PM etc etc..
mari PELLI enduku... when its sceintifically proved or unproved that it wont change in anyway the health hazards or his fate..
for everything there should be set a framework and within that scope you have analyse it or see it..
YOU BELEIVED IN NEWTON 3rd LAW. I will say ITS AS LONG AS VALID UNTIL DISPROVED.
after 100 years, NEWTON 3rd LAW MAY BECOME A JOKE. appudu koooda mana next gem ilage manalni kindal chestharu..
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Oops wrong quote - the second one is my post
Wrathchild:one more thing..observing jambals case..may be graha santi etc cheste..effect untundo ledo kaani, what if it makes a person more confident..if it atleast helps in that way, its still a good thing to have..its a simple thing that ppl dont think of god usually when everything is going smooth,and pray more seriously when into problems..may be its the same case with astrology as well..
My first post in this thread
Anand: Cannot say there is no benefit ...However, I think the benefit is more psychological than actually influencing events in life...
Kind of like the placebo effect - people feel the problem has been resolved with a nivarana and handle their life with the conviction that the problem is solved - that in itself can make a difference on the results
So for people who believe it does work to some extent or atleast they perceive it to work Just like when someone tells you something is a bad omen, you will attribute every bad event to that , when you do a nivarana you will attribute everything positive to the nivarana
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Wrathchild:one more thing..observing jambals case..may be graha santi etc cheste..effect untundo ledo kaani, what if it makes a person more confident..if it atleast helps in that way, its still a good thing to have..its a simple thing that ppl dont think of god usually when everything is going smooth,and pray more seriously when into problems..may be its the same case with astrology as well..
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Wrathchild: Cannot say there is no benefit ...However, I think the benefit is more psychological than actually influencing events in life...
Kind of like the placebo effect - people feel the problem has been resolved with a nivarana and handle their life with the conviction that the problem is solved - that in itself can make a difference on the results
So for people who believe it does work to some extent or atleast they perceive it to work Just like when someone tells you something is a bad omen, you will attribute every bad event to that , when you do a nivarana you will attribute everything positive to the nivarana
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Basky_indya:i think your are trying to cross check the facts.
Yes - I am...
Cross checking one scientific theory against another...that is how science works does it not ? If a new scientific law is proposed, you verify if it holds true against other accepted/proven scientific laws...
You misunderstood my question about the job - I meant your recent job issues..
But let it go - because it will need too much detail on a public forum ...
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one more thing..observing jambals case..may be graha santi etc cheste..effect untundo ledo kaani, what if it makes a person more confident..if it atleast helps in that way, its still a good thing to have..its a simple thing that ppl dont think of god usually when everything is going smooth,and pray more seriously when into problems..may be its the same case with astrology as well.. |
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Anand_n:
i think your are trying to cross check the facts.
1st of all, astrology does not tell u exact reason. ee reason valla job pothadi ani atla ekkada chepparu.. but based on its causes/effects cheppi untai...
like this period vadu dudukulu untai, this time manassanthi karuvu autundi,
this time money problems untai etc ani...
general ga usa lo naaku ashadam ending 2 years ninchi problems vasthunnai...
july end/aug 1st period.
oka year valuables/suitcases/documents poinai, oka year job poyyindhi.. and that too by the vendor due to revenge as we are asking him the money he should pass on. client ki problem ledu ,naaku ledu, ayinaa chooosara job futtt mari overnite ela dobbesindho...
coming to ur jobless Q, yes nenu cbit lo chadivaa, many companies campus came,
class motham below avg, failed kooda selected. I was generally 5th,6th in rank
raledu.. everyone was surprised as to only this guy is not getting ani..
study avvagane bayatiki vacchi chinnna startup lo dorkindhi. I started with 5,000 per month, rest class mates were earning 15k,25k per month in tcs,cmc etc
jathakam lo clear ga cheppi unnindhi.. however I dont want to repeal the exact words on public forum
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Jambalahaart_raja:100 members choosinaa kanapadani vishayam jaathakam lo undi antaaraa ledantaaraa??? choosina vaallu inefficient or asalu choosina vaallu anthaa perfect to the core and jaathakam is trash???
You tell me - how many astrologers constitute a valid sample ?
If it is so prone to misinterpretation and error, can it or should it really be used as a reliable indicator ?
Jambalahaart_raja:they can only guess. Same goes with jaathakam also.
Perfect...just like a doctor predicting your health issues based on DNA without taking your lifestyle and current health profile into account, is guesswork, astrology based on your horoscope at birth is just that- guesswork ...
Inka graha santi, nivaranas naaku assalu nammakam ledu - you believe strongly in them so lets not get into that debate...
I have an ethical problem with things like tiladanams...tiladanam evaru ishtam ga teesukoru - sani transfer avutundi, ichi venakki tirigi valla moham chudakunda ravali antaru..So na past actions batti naaku sani aspects unte, by the clout of my money I force a less fortunate person to accept the sani and treat him like dirt...idi ekkadi dharmam ?
Not astrology's problem , but like I said earlier, it contradicts my other core values again coming from traditional scriptures...
If all these scriptures are scientific -why is it that they invalidate each other ?
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Anand_n:Jatakam lo ledu, palmistry prakaram chetilo ledu aa meteoric rise, but sadhinchadu
mee example baagundi. 100 members choosinaa kanapadani vishayam jaathakam lo undi antaaraa ledantaaraa??? choosina vaallu inefficient or asalu choosina vaallu anthaa perfect to the core and jaathakam is trash???
the best analogy I could give is jaathakam anedi DNA laantidi. DNA has only four proteins and only two possible reversible bondings in the double stranded helix structure but look at the differences it can bring among so many human races. Biologists ki inkaa what combinations lead to what characteristics anedi complete gaa teliyadu, if they are meant to predict, they can only guess. Same goes with jaathakam also.
Charts, palmistry, everything is science and calculations and finally speculations. Sensex or DOW Jones rise avuthundaa......low avuthundaa......mahaa mahule market sentiments batti predict chesinaa tedaa paduthundi.........calculations by humans that are erroneous by their very nature is bound to go wrong, may be even always. I personally believe, jaathakam exists, external influences lenide asalu life ye ledu.........and graha santhi does work atleast for me.
Monnatiki monna 4.5 months bench meeda unnaa!!!! Sani-graha santhi cheyisthey manchidi annaaru. I strongly believe, Interview day naadi ayithe interviewer will ask me my father's and my name and if the day isn't mine, he will obviously ask me his father's and his name. All interviews were bad-days, clearly not meant for me experiences. I was just helpless, oka saari ayithe wrong interview ki push chesaaru, the position and my resume and experience don't even match and the interviewer apologized to me.........literally, APOLOGIZED......intha viddooram ekkadaina choosthaaraa??? Sani-graha santhi complete ayyindi, Columbus lo interview was just a cake-walk. Adenti ante, adi anthey!!!!! |
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Wrathchild: the above may be mutually exclusive..but its only from the individuals point of view..Does astrology speak about karma siddhanta? does it say u r responsible for ur own actions? i guess it will not..it says its grahas that force ur actions with out ur knowledge(its a diff thing if that statement is true or not)..Your points a view point of a person as he thinks,not astrology.Astrology also says its not only god,but actually many(grahas) and gives them same status as god.. it just says..graha santhi first and then general belief in god as second thing..
Agree with what you said on astrology ...
The questions I raised are because all these siddhantas/shastras are part of the scriptural texts ...
These many principles/sciences espoused under the hinduism umbrella however contradict each other ...
If someone picks one belief system and follows it thru - it is consistent ... if you try to superimpose these systems that do not interlock seamlessly - all we get is confusion
Basky:
I understand the way astrology is supposed to work- I studied for some time and learnt the basics .. I strongly believe in freewill and karma - so astrology chadivina koddi nammakam taggindi in the finality of the horoscope..
Per my horoscope I should have gone back and settled down in India 5 years ago...we made a conscious decision to settle here and am still here
Ninne ma mother cheptunnaru - chinnappudu mom's student - chadive vadu kadu..my mother and his mother are friends and both big astrology fans - they showed his horoscope to dozens of astrologers aunty tension ki - andaru paraledu he will have an ok life..valla father public sector lo senior manager - anta manchi post lekapoina he will manage ani console chesaru ...
Graduation chesi MBA chesadu..salesman job to start chesinavadu today he is at a top level position of a major corp in India while still in 30s and will become a CEO anta..none of the many gifted astrologers saw it coming
Jatakam lo ledu, palmistry prakaram chetilo ledu aa meteoric rise, but sadhinchadu
Just out of curiosity - personal anukunte answer cheyyakandi- did your horoscope predict the jobless time you went thru recently ?
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Kadapanagfan:
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Basky_indya:fulltime job trials entha daka vocchai.
Java nee kadhaa..??
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fulltime job trials entha daka vocchai.
Java nee kadhaa..??
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naaku jatakam cheppe aayana, nellore lo famous and top.
eesari india vellinappudu cheppincheddham needhi..
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Anand_n:
Anand, for your questions let me tell u some things very frankly....
I beleive in jatakams etc and its definitive ness throughout the life..
I am not the kind of person , to go and show my jatakam when something is wrong going in me at that time...
infact when I was born in 74, immd on the same day my entire jatakam with all the different stages have been written in chart.
karma siddanta, gods action reaction does not come into picture . it mostly takes into account the planetory motion influence and stars influence on your individual life.
I beleive in shantis, etc etc.. and also i beleive in DISTI.
most of the houses in south have disti bomma , even trucks, lorries etc have disti bomma.
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Anand_n:If you do a little analysis, you may find some of the above beliefs are mutually exclusive...
Anand, the above may be mutually exclusive..but its only from the individuals point of view..Does astrology speak about karma siddhanta? does it say u r responsible for ur own actions? i guess it will not..it says its grahas that force ur actions with out ur knowledge(its a diff thing if that statement is true or not)..Your points a view point of a person as he thinks,not astrology.Astrology also says its not only god,but actually many(grahas) and gives them same status as god.. it just says..graha santhi first and then general belief in god as second thing..I dont have that lineage,but just as per my understading..this is wat i feel |
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Astrology exponents/believers ...especially people who have studied astrology or come from a astrologer lineage like Basky ...can you please do this simple exercise to clarify ...
1.DO you believe in the finality of the horoscope..meaning is it definitive throughout your life ?
2.Do you believe in free will ?
3.Do you believe in karma siddhanta - that your life/lives are a result of your actions ? Corollary to 2.
4.Do you believe in an omnipotent God that can change your life at his/her will?
5.Do you believe in astrological nivarana- graha santi, pujas, tiladanams etc ...
If you do a little analysis, you may find some of the above beliefs are mutually exclusive...
If you do find a logic that can say yes to everything above and holds correct at all points in life I would like to understand it
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Vishvak:Medical Science inta develop ayina tarvata kooda why no doctor is able to say this surgery will be successful?
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Unknown:pelli manthraalu entha mandiki ardhamavuthaay...kaani ikkada unna okkadanna purohithudu lekunda pelli chesukunnaadaa???
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFMra1e6cL4
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Unknown:
pelli manthraalu entha mandiki ardhamavuthaay...kaani ikkada unna okkadanna purohithudu lekunda pelli chesukunnaadaa???
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Lionswalkalone:Is Astrology a science? or is it a divine / holy phenomenon? is it a language...or is it an art? what the heck is it?
If it is science, does it follow the tenets of science...
is it based on controlled and repeated experiments / observations that have yielded consistent results...??...if so, what are those results..?
Astrology is science plus art...
Before taking a patient to surgery docs take signature on a paper saying if the surgery fails it is not their responsibility... Endukala? Medical Science inta develop ayina tarvata kooda why no doctor is able to say this surgery will be successful?
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Powerfull:Electicity is REAL and PRACTICAL
Nenu chaala samvatsarala back oka Astrologer daggaraki vella... He is from WG Dist and very famous in both the Godavari dists... He asked me whether I believe in these things... I said I dont know because I never tried... Then he said... You are walking in night (means our lifes) and you dont know what is there in the way... Your path may have obstacles... Astrology is like a lamp and will help you in knowing what is coming... It wont remove those obstacles or change the path... You are the one who has to do it... If you want to throw the lamp itself away then that is your wish...
Electricity analogy enduku ante... Tappu lancham adiginavaadidi Electricity di kaadu ani cheppadaaniki...
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LWA..Also nee disco scope penchu..okkate try cheyyakunda.
Include disco on sun signs..moon signs..stuff like Linda goodman etc..variety penchu |
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Lionswalkalone:Is Astrology a science? or is it a divine / holy phenomenon? is it a language...or is it an art? what the heck is it?
Its a belief..Kind of a pattern science anuko...based on celestial bodies.Why do scientists study eclipses..planets etc..to determine their effect..in simple terms..effect of those masses on earth..Astrology brings it down to ppl..not just earth..It should apply to all living beings..
Do you believe in Navagrahalu? What came first..Hindu theory of navagrahalu or Scientific identification of planets
Lionswalkalone:
Gurudu, sukrudu tho paatu "chandrudu" is listed as one of the planets....we all know now that moon is not a planet....Mari update chesaama?..Cheddaama..? vadda?
may be it's blasphemy...
Its based on the original theory even science had..earth was center and all bodies including sun revolving around it..Grahalu==Planets kaadu anukunta..in literal terms.
Lionswalkalone:
How does jupiter effect my daily life or my future..? is it because of the gravitational pull it exerts on my mind..? or it some other force..?..if it is a different force, what is it..?
when a particular cosmic body moves in a particular way, does it effect the life of every human in one way or other..? or is it restricted to some..?
Jupiter doesn't effect your daily life or ur future..But do you believe in destiny? Fate? Did you see them physically? Its nothing but a belief..God is a belief and so are these stuff..You can accept them or ignore them.. |
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Unknown:pelli manthraalu entha mandiki ardhamavuthaay...kaani ikkada unna okkadanna purohithudu lekunda pelli chesukunnaadaa???
naa pelliki maa pujari mantralu meaning explaing chesi mari peli chesadu. |
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Unknown:pelli manthraalu entha mandiki ardhamavuthaay...kaani ikkada unna okkadanna purohithudu lekunda pelli chesukunnaadaa???
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Winter lo cold ga yendukuntundhi???
Fall lo tree aakulu raalchi winter ki prepare ayye behavious yenti???
Summer lo intha heat yenduku???
pourami naadu..alalu yenduku yegisi padathaayi???
August lo puttininavaadiki leadership qualities koncham yekkuva yendhuku kanapadathaayi??
Raayi yentha gattigaa paiki visirinaa adhi vacchi mana gundu meedhe yendhuku paduthundhi??? gaalili atuninchi atay povacchugaaa???
Annitiki answer okate...earth planetary postion...
Planetary posisitions control the behaviour of everything including species..
BUT BUT (misuse chesi janaala weakness ni exploit chese valla BUTT meeda kottandi)...ee theory ni apply chesi individuals daily behaviour ni...future jaatakam ni cheppagalige vaallevaru...I seriouly doubt if anyone can do this in the world...
vonge vaadu vunnantha kaalam vanga bette vaadu untaadu...
prathi vaadu chache dhaaka bathakaali...idhantha oka time pass lolli...okkati prove avvaledhu iffati varaku..
Creator gave more brains to humans compared to animals...we keep thinking about everything..nothing wrong in it..human journey break lekunda nadusttoney undi...fire daggaranunchi..wheel kanipettadam varaku...rail engine nucnchi..internet dhaaka it was great journey...
only things that never made any progress are...astrology...palmistry..vaastu..jatakam..yendhukantey.. .ivanni prove cheyatam antha eaasy kaadu...assalu possible ye kaadu...so big business scope for exploiters...yentha mandi vanga pedithey antha dabbu..kummude kummudu..
pelli manthraalu entha mandiki ardhamavuthaay...kaani ikkada unna okkadanna purohithudu lekunda pelli chesukunnaadaa???
yevadi picchi vaadikanandham...ee discos tho yemi raadu...light head ache thappa..
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Astrology is based on geometry and probability...degrees, angles, latitude and longitude anni untai. oka planet oka place lo unte ila behave cheyachu anna probability theories apply chesi analyze chestaru.
Same goes for vastu. the basic concept of vastu is that a house should have enough air and sunlight. varsham vachi bayata gloomy gaa unte manam dull ga untam whereas manchi sunlight unnappudu we feel a bit energetic. that is the basic premise of vastu...
like a very popular belief among many that astrology and vastu are domain of one community. there are lot of good astrologers across various communities. Guntur lo ramayya chowdary garu ani oka vyakti undevaru - one of the best astrologers known for his great analyzing skills. antenduku mana nbk former astrologer is from his own community ;)
Gowru tirupati reddy garu is an authority in vastu. his books on vastu are bible for various upcoming vastu enthusiasts.
Believing and non-believing is personal opinion. guddiga namme vallu unnantha kaalam guddi gaa nammiche vallu kooda untaru. rational ga alochinche vallani evadu mosam cheyaledu. |
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Lionswalkalone:Can u apply astrology to animals?... do they have Jaatakam...can u do a sani pooja for your pet...so that it will have a long and healthy life?
this is really a enlightening statement. hmm got me thinking? does the chicken I ate had some astrology effect on it and end endded in my tummy. |
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////Mental_sachinodu:
while your statement is true, and i myself believing in questioning everything that you see and believe, i also do believe that before you question something, you have to be prepared to be patient to understand and study the issue at question. how many people who question a certain issue, have a genuine interest to understand the issue. for instance, how many people questioning astrology understand what astrology is?////
Fair enough...
Is Astrology a science? or is it a divine / holy phenomenon? is it a language...or is it an art? what the heck is it?
If it is science, does it follow the tenets of science...
is it based on controlled and repeated experiments / observations that have yielded consistent results...??...if so, what are those results..?
Is it tentative?? ...does it admit that it may not be correct or may have to be revised from time to time...?...are changes made as new data is discovered???
Gurudu, sukrudu tho paatu "chandrudu" is listed as one of the planets....we all know now that moon is not a planet....Mari update chesaama?..Cheddaama..? vadda?
may be it's blasphemy...
Is it empirically testable and falsifiable??... If so, How can we test it..?
is it definitive?.. is it progressive...? what is it..? is it internally and externally consistent..?
How does jupiter effect my daily life or my future..? is it because of the gravitational pull it exerts on my mind..? or it some other force..?..if it is a different force, what is it..?
when a particular cosmic body moves in a particular way, does it effect the life of every human in one way or other..? or is it restricted to some..?
Can u apply astrology to animals?... do they have Jaatakam...can u do a sani pooja for your pet...so that it will have a long and healthy life?
Fxuckx, I guess I am just not qualified enuff to raise any of these questions..
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Indiarocks: Questioning the logic and validity is different from passing a verdict on something without having any knowledge on it. This is what is seen in this thread. I personally do not believe in astrology, but at the same time I don't say its all BS. I keep mum simply coz neither I have the time nor interest to spend more time on it.
I was not just talking about this thread when I made that statement but my take from the reactions I have seen in this DB especially in the last 6 months...
"Progressive thinkers" is used as an epithet by the learned people in this DB...so much for inquiry and thinking and respecting others opinions...
There is a difference between propagating something as a belief system and science...If something is claimed to be a science then it needs to be able to stand scrutiny as to whether it conforms to the established laws of nature...
If we see educated parents with a sick child say they will go to a a quack instead of a doctor - the first reaction for most of us will be similar to the inital post in this thread...because we pick proven science over "belief" when the stakes are high ...
I have in my own extended family seen the blind dependence on astrology cause major problems in their lives...so I will caution people...
Using it a tool to help how they handle life is okay but letting an astrologer drive their lives can be very detrimental Rest your nammakams
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Gotcha:i said jatakam is bullshit not hinduism. aa lekkana sati kuda support cheyala?
Sati start ayinapudu I think there was a reason. Turak gallu etthukupoye vallu anukunta alaanti women ni, instead of that chaavu better ani start ayinatundi. When there was no need, sathi ne nirumuliddham ante FUNDAMENTALISTS addam padi part of hindusim ani rabhasa ayyi reformers ki kashtam ayyindi.
Athesim, astrology, reform ki brahmin/caste topic tho include avvakapote manchiga disco cheyyochhu. Just mana TELUGU lone 19 th centrury reformer Kandukuri garu, ippudu 21st century atheist Samram garu kooda brahmins. So Caste ni ee thread bayata pettandi. |
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Gotcha:i said jatakam is bullshit not hinduism. aa lekkana sati kuda support cheyala? u dont need to support every aspect of hinduism as someof them dont make sense and are archaic.
LOL...Agreed 100%... but u r still a brahmin hater..kiki |
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Lionswalkalone:
i said jatakam is bullshit not hinduism. aa lekkana sati kuda support cheyala? u dont need to support every aspect of hinduism as someof them dont make sense and are archaic. |
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Gotcha:jaatakam is bullshit.
U brahmin hater!! |
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jaatakam is bullshit.
what irritates me most is when people start looking jatakam as the first thing for marriage. i am talking about usa matches not ignorant indian rustic people. ee jatakam picchi sambar gallaki baga ekkuvu anukuna untill i saw this process for matchmaking for one of our relatives. mana telugu chaduvukuna valaki kuda baga ekkuve. |
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Basky:cold ki caugh ki,daggu ki, noppi ki ,inkaa big problems annitiki MANDULU unnnayi gaa....
mari prevention thokka tholu esukuni body ni kapadatam enduku..!!
Brother, like I said before, don't get restless.
Why are the belivers giving examples that support our logic? Cough, cold vachhinapudu devudi pooja chesukoka or jathakam kanukkoka Doctor daggara ki enduku vellatam
Wrathchild:Idi correcte, but there are many other countries and religions that still believe in such kind of stuff...even communist dominated chinese have tarot cards and vastu related stuff....roman culture lo kooda unnatu gurtu..i dont remember exactyl..inta enduku in addition to god there are many things that are beliefs. US lo touch wood laanti beliefs leva? nenu jatakalani nammakapoina, namme vallani geli cheyannu..if they are happy with their belief..let them me..who are we to question them
I am not making fun of anybody. I am just saying LOGICALLY they dont make sense for ME antunna. I argue the same with my wife and elderly relatives, I don't make fun of them . But question cheste tappu emundi. DB vundi anduke kada
Megapowerstar:disclaimer - spread across various communities...naaku telisina iddaru friends ee madhyane poti padi mari cheseru and okadi lastname lo neni ani vastundi inkodi peru lo reddy untundi.
Some people are thinking this is a attack on brahmins or 1 community. There are believers in EVERY community, I know that.
Mental_sachinodu:while your statement is true, and i myself believing in questioning everything that you see and believe, i also do believe that before you question something, you have to be prepared to be patient to understand and study the issue at question. how many people who question a certain issue, have a genuine interest to understand the issue. for instance, how many people questioning astrology understand what astrology is?
I will listen brother, meeku logical ga how does jaathakam and astrology makes sense anpichindo cheppandi if you don't mind. |
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Mari Answer cheyyatam ishtam leni vaadivi neeku enduku discussion...ishtam vunnodey disco chestaadu...nenemi ninnu bottu petti pilavaledu ga...vachi disco cheyyamani...thread padagaane oopukunta vachi bootula post vesaav... ippudu malli panga bongu ani raasav.....bootulu lekunda post veyyagalava asalu??
personal abuse nuvvey start chesav...kavalantey malli chaduvko...
rest NPS ki nee poojalu, haaratulu |
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