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Crunk
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he wants to be understood by us, his equally conscious, living parts.


Wow so Hlatky says God has issues and needs ppl to understand God ... lol jkin! I was imagining God with a psychiatrist ... a session between em where God says to the shrink how much ppl do not understand God lol n the shrink tryin his best to help God out. Funny though. Nice read.
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Heteroclite
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bump for who created god initiator
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Heteroclite
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Give a thought about this

http://www.reality.org.uk/TheBook/

For Hlatky, a proper understanding of our own lives is possible only when we have a proper understanding of reality, and a proper understanding of reality is possible only when we have a proper understanding of the original cause* and meaning* of reality. On the basis of the axiom* that activity* can be caused only by a conscious*, living being, Hlatky argues that the original cause of our everyday reality - a reality that we know to be pure activity - must be a single, conscious, living being. Traditionally, the name that has been given to the concept of a conscious, living original cause is 'God' or some equivalent. Hlatky follows theological tradition - Judaism, Christianity and Islam - in using that name too, but he parts ways from theology on major points.
For example, most theories of creation* and of God the creator see God as separate from his creation. Hlatky's hypothesis is based on the idea that God is the invisible original whole* of which we are the original parts*. In this hypothesis, God must create within himself - since if there were something outside him, he would not be the whole.

Hlatky views God - this invisible, original whole with its original parts - as the invisible, omnipresent reality behind creation. On the basis of the axiom that every conscious, living being has the need to be understood as like* and thereby to be loved, he argues that God, as a conscious, living being, must also have that need. It is this need that motivates God to give out creation: he wants to be understood by us, his equally conscious, living parts. This is the meaning and purpose of creation, viewed from God's perspective.

As the whole, God cannot show himself directly to his parts, but he lets us know about himself indirectly through the activity that is creation. He does this by giving us experiences that can lead us to infer his and our own original existence*, as well as to understand him, which means to understand his purpose with creation.

In Hlatky's view, God does not create us. Each of us is a non-created, unchangeable, conscious, living part of God's original reality - this original reality being traditionally called the Being*. This part becomes connected to a human body that is created along with the rest of creation by God. Hlatky argues that in the original situation in the Being, the conscious parts* have virtually no experience, hence God's purpose in creating creation: so that we can have experience of each other, indirectly through our created bodies, and also of him, indirectly through the whole creation. If we infer God's purpose with his creation, we can start to experience love*: first in relation to God, and then, consequently, also in relation to each other. In this way God's need for love can be satisfied, and ours too. [This central idea is broached in several places. See, for example, Dialogue 1, 'The need for mutual love'.]

So creation is where we can come to an understanding of our original relationship to God and to each other, with huge consequences for the way we lead our lives. Hlatky believes that unless we are conscious of these relationships, it will be impossible for us to escape a feeling of alienation: from the world around us and from each other.

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