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Jambalahaart_raja
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Indiarocks:

The no of ppl dying on the roads would have increased twenty folds compared to the 1960s.




I brought legitimate statistics, bring the same before you make your claim!!!!
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Iamim:

I can very well imagine the wild basket ball fans of 1970s...




Dude this is the most disgusting comment I have seen in a public DB. Don't misuse the anonymity that the internet provides.
Make sure that you maintain a count on how many times you oppose PRP and TDP and Cong. Moodu countlu same avvali....TDP count taggithe nuvvu KAMMA...Cong count taggite nuvvu REDDY
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Anand_n:

We are talking to different ends - you are talking policing, I am talking responsibility and empowerment ...




Excellent -- One kid, one mom -- responsibility/empowerment/judgement everything is possible. Lakhs of rapists out there in the country, thousands of incidents and only hundreds are being reported......do you think anyone can go and bring that empowerment/judgement right away??

The analogy of the kid is to show that rapists lack the basic judgement qualities. And that's why they tend to commit crime. Elca annayi cheppinantha controlled mind-set unte assalu ye godavalu raavu!!!!
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Jambalahaart_raja:

Rape cases peruguthunnayi morrro ante, crime is purely intentional and definitely not provoked ante, inkem cheppaali???




The same thing applies here too if you go purely by statistics: The no of ppl dying on the roads would have increased twenty folds compared to the 1960s. So would your solution ban/restrict the use of motor vehicles?
Make sure that you maintain a count on how many times you oppose PRP and TDP and Cong. Moodu countlu same avvali....TDP count taggithe nuvvu KAMMA...Cong count taggite nuvvu REDDY
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Iamim:

I can very well imagine the wild basket ball fans of 1970s...




stop going personal!!!! Hit the ideology, not the person!!!!
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the analogy of a kid is to show that a criminal lacks the basic sense of judgement towards right and wrong, towards following what is postulated as good for him as against what can bring him into trouble.

If only every adult was as matured enough as you mentioned in your post, DB lo banda boothulu tittukuntu caste politics gurinchi heated discussions ye vundavu. Statiscally, in Jan 2008, the National Crime Report Bureau reported that Rape related crimes had risen 8 fold as against burglary, dacoity, murder and other criminal activities between 1971 to 2006. Ilaa enduku jaruguthundi?? Rape cases peruguthunnayi morrro ante, that crime is purely intentional and definitely not provoked ante, inkem cheppaali???
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City bus lo groping ki subject ayyedi , conventional ga unde valle ana chinna nijam ignore chestunnattu unnaru ...




Meeru 1970s lone chala unconventional ga.. langa voni pakkana petti.. basket ball gatra ade varu ani ee madhya chepperu kada...

These days even grandpas are becoming great fans of Tennis and Badminton.. thanks to Sania and Saina...

I can very well imagine the wild basket ball fans of 1970s...
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Proline:

hread summary antha meeru okka post lo chepparu..
super cheppar...


Thanks..
Make sure that you maintain a count on how many times you oppose PRP and TDP and Cong. Moodu countlu same avvali....TDP count taggithe nuvvu KAMMA...Cong count taggite nuvvu REDDY
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Jambalahaart_raja:

I am saying, your son knowing about the availability of the cake is wrong. Hiding the cake was the easiest option, rather serving a tiny piece could have been appropriate!!!!




I do not agree..

Availability of the cake does not excuse his behavior...If I condition him by hiding the cake, istead of exercising his judgement , it just gives him a cop-out...today its a regular cake

Next time it may be more crucial - a birthday cake for his sibling and stealing a piece may ruin his brother's day, but he will come back and say you left the cake in sight so I ate it...

If the responsibility /retribution is not pinned on the person, they just find excuses for their behavior...

We are talking to different ends - you are talking policing, I am talking responsibility and empowerment ... :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Indiarocks:




thread summary antha meeru okka post lo chepparu..
super cheppar...
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Jambalahaart_raja:

There's a wonderful chocolate cake in the kitchen and You tell your son not to eat it until 5 in the evening when there will be a birthday party. And yet, he sneaks for it. Is he wrong? or the presence of the cake is wrong? or you at fault??

I am saying, your son knowing about the availability of the cake is wrong. Hiding the cake was the easiest option, rather serving a tiny piece could have been appropriate!!!!

inthakante simplest analogy inka naa valla kaadu




There is a difference here, if the rapes were committed by a minor, not knowing the intensity of the crime, then this analogy applies.

If ppl have to agree on your point of view, then why restrict it to just rapes? Why not to other crimes too? There is an increase in robberies because ppl are earning more and becoming rich. So it is better for ppl not to become rich. Road accidents are increasing coz more ppl are buying cars. Restrict ppl to bicycles only? where does this stop?
Make sure that you maintain a count on how many times you oppose PRP and TDP and Cong. Moodu countlu same avvali....TDP count taggithe nuvvu KAMMA...Cong count taggite nuvvu REDDY
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Jambalahaart_raja:

Hiding the cake was the easiest option, rather serving a tiny piece could have been appropriate!!!!





Now everybody using Colour Paper & Colour TV in the House
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Anand_n:

Are you saying that no one is telling them that rape is wrong ? IS the media saying assault is acceptable ?




There's a wonderful chocolate cake in the kitchen and You tell your son not to eat it until 5 in the evening when there will be a birthday party. And yet, he sneaks for it. Is he wrong? or the presence of the cake is wrong? or you at fault??

I am saying, your son knowing about the availability of the cake is wrong. Hiding the cake was the easiest option, rather serving a tiny piece could have been appropriate!!!!

inthakante simplest analogy inka naa valla kaadu
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assalu naaku artham kaanidhi okati.. ladies ki istam lekunda sex (rape???) elaa chestharu? is it possible?
Now everybody using Colour Paper & Colour TV in the House
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I read somewhere that in some countries female private parts are locked by some metalic locking system when men go out for work...adokkate soluation kanipisthundi ikkada
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Jambalahaart_raja:

root cause is definitely not the perpetrator as you claim.




I am sorry , but I think that is just a cop-out ... Are you saying that no one is telling them that rape is wrong ? IS the media saying assault is acceptable ?

Anyway , I am out of here - you guys find a solution :-)
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jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Anand_n:

Abuse, assault has to be inherent in their make-up... ,the more you pass the responsibility to something other than the perpetrator, the more acceptability assault gains




I kinda agree with RGV when he says, the Human mind is actually blank. Everything is actually fed into it. Rapists/criminals are not born, they are definitely made!!!! I am not sure if genetics play any role at all, but circumstances certainly do and so do one's decisiveness in reacting accordingly.

In a country like India, where circumstances for common-men are getting pathetic by day and decisiveness is reducing thanks to improper upbringing or lack of primary education to impart the basic minimum maturity of right and wrong, the assaults are already becoming a norm and the root cause is definitely not the perpetrator as you claim.
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Jambalahaart_raja:

It can undoubtedly corrupt minds of normal men and make them perverts.




Corrupt their minds yes, make them perverts, I don't think so ...

Abuse, assault has to be inherent in their make-up...

The point I do agree is the danger of assault becoming a norm...the more you pass the responsibility to something other than the perpetrator, the more acceptability assault gains, think about that :-)
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jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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City bus lo groping ki subject ayyedi , conventional ga unde valle ana chinna nijam ignore chestunnattu unnaru ...Age, looks, attire does not matter as long its a female body , is within reach with not a major risk of retaliation..




Different conventions for different people.. the very fact of a female venturing out may be unconventional...
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Anand_n:

I think your premise that it did not happen before the TV/movie onslaught is wrong...




I never said that it didn't exist. I am only comparing the numbers. society annaka crimes anevi jaragaka maanavu. but, look at the numbers now. I hope, you must have seen the timesofindia report from NCRB.

media is the only route for humans into the world beyond personal life - be it print, radio, TV or movies. It can undoubtedly corrupt minds of normal men and make them perverts.
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what is your point here?




There have been instances when people complained that they were actually dreaming of CCDB in their sleep..

If this is the case with a virtual DB where no one met no one.. no one seen no one..

One can very well imagine the minds of those Males and Females who are spending most of their active time in their active lives not with their wives and husbands but with strangers of opposite sex..

Those little talks.. those silly banters.. those sweet chatters.. those merry meetings.. that very physical presence.. that very stimulating scent of opposite sex.. will obviously linger on and on in the subconscious mind forever..

They may sleep with their wives and husbands physically.. but who can stop their mental excursions.. who can stop their dreamy picnics...
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And the other thing is responsibility of women....Desham is highly diversified .... u have metros where the golbal influence on fashion is high n increasing awareness to physic...to look good...so people r hitting gyms n people try to follow the modern trends in accordance with world fashion....so we get to see flat abs n cleavages n this n dat....so no issues...
Now in the same desham we have people who live in jungle raaj(like up n bihar n etc etc)...they rarely see a gorgeous chikni in their places ....so when people like dat come to work in metros as taxi drivers they do get disturbed...and if one of them is a psycho and reatred not to understand the pain n humilitaion a women undergoes when she is raped...he might turn to a rapist(one set of rapists...not everyone come from similar bg)....So women just need to be careful....take responsibility for their life style...they r the weaker sex so they get raped n abused all the time....not cause they have cleavage n butt.....so there should be awareness among them...how to protect themselves from these animals...they should include this class from school itself....Like how to attack the balls of the guy who is trying to rape her...Like how to kick them so that they will be motion less for 10mins and she can escape....u know skills like dat...n how to use pepper sprays...they should be taught everything....
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Iamim:

Males have the right to pick and choose which Females.. What kind of Females.. to respect and worship.. Respect is contingent on the conventional behaviour..




City bus lo groping ki subject ayyedi , conventional ga unde valle ana chinna nijam ignore chestunnattu unnaru ...Age, looks, attire does not matter as long its a female body , is within reach with not a major risk of retaliation..

Its a fact. May be difficult to digest cos it does not match with the idea of blaming the victim or easier still blame westernization...

JH,
I think your premise that it did not happen before the TV/movie onslaught is wrong...the only answer is to equip the womenfolk to protect themselves:-)
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You have to open up the society....as long as we have these stupid rules of censor ship and mindless ethics where sex is portrayed as taboo n even smooching is considered a big deal n is being attributed as one of the reaon why people r getting raped then something wrong with the maturity anukuntunna....asleelatha anedhi subjective....oka heroine ni nilabeeti perverted ga boddu pina drakshalu ...pine apples esi honey posesi racha seyytam for me is in bad taste...but many people hail KRR as artistic....thats their taste.......so u cant tell someone to wear this or wear that....nacchakapothey mooskuni kookovala....
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Elcaminocapastrino:

....i dont think gropin is percieved as rape...




See, now I can't define what extent of groping could be rape. One things for sure, need not necessarily be an intercourse. Any kind of advancement related to genitals without the victim's consent is sufficient, I guess. A significant amount of struggle and bruises thereby, I believe, are the only evidences considered in most of the cases.
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Bushu:

annai, where do you draw the line? who decides? what is provoking for you may be completely normal to others.




Neither have the patience or time to answer this. This is not even what I claim to raise.


Bushu:

if it goes down from 100 to 10, are you fine with that? dont you want to condemn the basic act itself?




First bring it down to 10 and then you can condemn the act easily. If it keeps going from 100 to a 1000, I see that just because people can't help it, they might even enjoy it!!!!
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Jambalahaart_raja:

I don't refute but am only reminding, women should equally stop provoking




annai, where do you draw the line? who decides? what is provoking for you may be completely normal to others. nee prakaram pai ninchi kindhi dhaaka burqa eskuni koochunna, rape chese kaamandhulu unnaru. is your aim to bring down the number of rapes ONLY? if it goes down from 100 to 10, are you fine with that? dont you want to condemn the basic act itself?

a mix of strong law and order & free sexual discourse after an age is the only solution.
why? yes saar
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Jambalahaart_raja:

you are going by the rule in the book, I don't think even the courts do that. Sexual Offense or humiliating attempts at work-places are treated as rape cases only. You don't have to really have an inter-course for the case to be treated as a rape. Intentional groping without the victim's consent should be sufficient for such a case. And I am not sure, if a vaseline test is conducted as well.


groping doesnt come under rape....its molestation....harassment....i dont think gropin is percieved as rape...
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Elcaminocapastrino:

....they wont get raped just by touching....




you are going by the rule in the book, I don't think even the courts do that. Sexual Offense or humiliating attempts at work-places are treated as rape cases only. You don't have to really have an inter-course for the case to be treated as a rape. Intentional groping without the victim's consent should be sufficient for such a case. And I am not sure, if a vaseline test is conducted as well.
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what is your point here?




The body is but a reflection of mind..

The mind is but a reflection of perception..

Perception is but a reflection of Proximity..
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Everyone has their way of life, some are gay, some are pedophilic - all through their lives, but as long as it doesn't harm, it should be OK!!!!


yeah...the thing about pedophile they like to do with kids...I mean how can u say it doesnt harm???...just like a pedophile a rapist also had an orientation already of his mind..to rape ....no matter even if u parade a woman wearing a burkha b4 him he is going to rape....
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....and I like the way u accept ur limitations...




Discussion beginning lo cheppanu gaa..........I can feel the difference, Tolerance undi anukuntunna!!!! Every discussion has specific premises, we have to know the boundaries of what we are discussing, only then it'll make some sense.
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Rape is a big deal...its not like groping..I mean u have to force urself ....its like a 10 to 15 min process or more I donno..U got to be posessed all that time n ignore the cries of the victim in pain n her suffering....so I donno how if heroines say no to smooching to emraan hasmi is going to change the behavious of those maniacs....totally irrelevant....
If a normal sex depraved person gets it on when he sees a scantily dressed woman....he tries to grope at most...I dont think he will goto an extent of rape....they wont get raped just by touching....its tough and someone is going all the way means he needs help....not the woman who got raped....
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You are telling exactly what is mentioned in ISLAM ? that is the only religion that does not permit intermingling of sexes ? So do you think ISLAM gave an answer to this problem ?




One is Sociology.. One is Theology..
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Today a Male spends more active time with females in his office than with his own wife..

Today a Female spends more active time with Males in her office than with her own husband..




what is your point here?
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If you say there has been no difference between the 50's-60's and now between the 90's and 2K10, women have been the same - this discussion can be closed right away!!!!




All the hell broke loose with Females stepping out of homes..

Today a Male spends more active time with females in his office than with his own wife..

Today a Female spends more active time with Males in her office than with her own husband..

Who is life partner to whom..
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Jambalahaart_raja:

1) I am not being a male chauvinist.
2) Reformations for women is a very healthy thing to happen for the entire society.
3) Wrathchild cheppinattu, asabhyata and asleelatha taggithey manchidi ani women activists cheppinatte chepthunnanu.
4) I don't encourage Taliban as well, I see their intentions are good but the way they do implement it is actually bad - with regards to women.
5) Men will always fight with other men and women are always the most precious thing that can be damaged. To dominate, in order to protect, is not a bad thing to do.




I second all your points....and I like the way u accept ur limitations...neelo humility ki naa tala vonchutunnanu....I wish people understood that when U dont know waht u are talking about...it should be the first thing that should be put on the table than opinions based on complete ignorance and fashionable viewpoints
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Iamim:

The only way to stop rapes is through gender distance.. no co-ed schooling.. no playing with opposite gender.. marry before 20.. no gender mixing at work places.. else just enjoy the rapes and extra marital affairs and relax...




You are telling exactly what is mentioned in ISLAM ? that is the only religion that does not permit intermingling of sexes ? So do you think ISLAM gave an answer to this problem ?
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ur so called great west thought about itself and the rest of the world


ee thread lo west is gr8 ani nenu ekkada cheppano oka saari point cheyyi...
Liberty is too great a virtue to be buried in books
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Anand_n:

Do you have statistics to back that ?




Article from 6 Jan, 2008.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Rape-cases-in-India -jump-678-since-1971-NCRB/articleshow/2678015.cms

http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/762338.c ms

Article from Dec 2008, just 7 months ago.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/its-official-india-3rd-wor st-offender-in-ra/396269/

1) I am not being a male chauvinist.
2) Reformations for women is a very healthy thing to happen for the entire society.
3) Wrathchild cheppinattu, asabhyata and asleelatha taggithey manchidi ani women activists cheppinatte chepthunnanu.
4) I don't encourage Taliban as well, I see their intentions are good but the way they do implement it is actually bad - with regards to women.
5) Men will always fight with other men and women are always the most precious thing that can be damaged. To dominate, in order to protect, is not a bad thing to do.
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Someone who talks gloriously about personal faith etc on the back of absolutely zero understanding of scriptures..in this thread quoted...

"USA has the muscle and power and people bend to power".......

now the same half heads come back and preach about Indian men dont respect women...really what happened to the power of the strongest argument......

ento evi teliyani vaaditho matladachu.....telisina vall deggara nunchi telusukovachu......ani oorke anala pedhalu......
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Humpty_dumpty:

my point was not to contend when India has evolved , before this or after that...




which post of mine spoke about india's evolution and its timeline.....I gave you first hand references about what ur so called great west thought about itself and the rest of the world.......its ur prerogative to take it or not....my point is that when u want to contend a FACT be ready to present an refuting one or else ur point of view is almost worthless as it can be brushed off as a point of view and the world never ran on point of views.....

left to themselves, humans will put thousand point of views on the table and lead to a lawless society.......Ethics guide which point of views are braodly acceptable.....anedhe naa argument.....
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I was a teenager in late 70's and early eighties - the behavior of the "women worhipping Indians" without the provocation of western media back then in public transport - crowded buses from Delhi, hyd, VJA ,Vizag , Blore was disgustingly same - what OT described...this is not a new phenomenon caused by media ...




Males have the right to pick and choose which Females.. What kind of Females.. to respect and worship.. Respect is contingent on the conventional behaviour.. not all Females were respected even in ancient times.. infact Rama.. Lakshmana.. Krishna.. Hanuman.. themselves actually killed Females.. coz of depraved behaviour.. kind of honour killing...
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sama drishti ne tirishina tyagi para stri je ne maat re
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baabu...ee material sounds very good and makes me, you and every1 feel very proud...

my point was not to contend when India has evolved , before this or after that...
Liberty is too great a virtue to be buried in books
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u didn't answer my question...enduku jarigindi ani adiga..tharvatha vallaki ye gathi pattindi nenu adagaledu..morover ippudu kuda aa rape chesina vallani bayatiki velthe ummestharu...scoeity lo heenam ga chustharu....thappu eppudu jarigina thappe




I did and u chose not to look for an answer coz U already framed what is acceptable per your mind.....

Ravana was a rakshasha...and Indra was devaganyudu...the point of my post IF U CARED TO READ below was that.....people who lust will always exist and the only way to curtail them is to have a sound ethical and cultural upbringing.....Woman's so called sexual liberty is no different from that of men.....

Do u rip ur shirt when u see a pretty girl....if u do so...then that sort of men are called disordered.....same goes with women......again....using ur body to state ur state of mind is the idea that people with complete ignorance of intellect will resort to...be it men or women
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ahalya ni indrudu enduku cherichado




correctey!!! wife sachi devi undi, rambha, urvasi, menaka and thilottama laanti cabaret dancers unnaru, ayinaa most beautiful woman of all, Ahalya kaavaalsi vachhindi. idey perversion ante. otherside, naraka loka paalakudu yamudu dharmaaniki prateeti!!!! Indra is a classic example of today's politicians to that sense. Post and seat kaapaadukovataaniki enthati pani ayinaa chesthaadu. Only reason he must have been feared was because of his possession of the Vajra-aayudha - The Thunder Bolt!!!!


Analog:

ravanudu seethani enduku ethukellado



Utter humiliation and wanted a pay-back on Rama. Incidentally, he never molested or misbehaved with Sita. He made her live in Asoka vana (just as her promise to sincerely accompany her Divine husband to the forests according to His father's wish!!!)

Excepting for the Mahabharata sequence, I don't remember any sequence of a woman pleading for mercy while a male character mercilessly pouncing onto her. Atleast, most of our scriptures never spoke of rapes/molestation. Provocative women like Soorpanaka were punished while men who intended like Keechaka were demolished before even they dared!!!!
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Humpty_dumpty:

since you still stick to your point that increase in "rapes" is reflective of increase in modern Indian woman's sexual liberties, I don't want to tread further anymore.




U can choose ur extent of venture....but the fact is that...U have no facts to refute my claim....I have references not written by Indians....to support mine....and that too renowned authorities in their fields.....

Ur depiction of liberty can only stand te test of ur conscience and not that of an universal framework and when that happens it is called a personal opinion..

if personal opinions were to be ascribed all the importance we would be living in a lawless society and for good measure's sake that is exactly why we still have a ethical frame work
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u didn't answer my question...enduku jarigindi ani adiga..tharvatha vallaki ye gathi pattindi nenu adagaledu..morover ippudu kuda aa rape chesina vallani bayatiki velthe ummestharu...scoeity lo heenam ga chustharu....thappu eppudu jarigina thappe
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so before 90s anthgaa emi jaragaledhu, edo kocnham koncham lite gaa jarigaayi antaaru...

since you still stick to your point that increase in "rapes" is reflective of increase in modern Indian woman's sexual liberties, I don't want to tread further anymore.
Liberty is too great a virtue to be buried in books
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Jambalahaart_raja:

All of the 80's and 70's, our mom's graduated, got married and found jobs, settled in life. Anything provocative in the society - I don't think so. How about the incidence of rapes - not as rampant as now.




Do you have statistics to back that ?

And then - do you think back then all incidents were reported ?

Something that may surprise you ..

I was a teenager in late 70's and early eighties - the behavior of the "women worhipping Indians" without the provocation of western media back then in public transport - crowded buses from Delhi, hyd, VJA ,Vizag , Blore was disgustingly same - what OT described...this is not a new phenomenon caused by media ...
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mythological references thecharu kabatti aduguthunna ahalya ni indrudu enduku cherichado..ravanudu seethani enduku ethukellado kuda cheppandi...maha pathivrathala jamana lo ne jarigayi...appudu emi chesi unte ivanni thappinchuknevvalu




u r missing the point...cherchinanduku...indrudu charithra heenudu ayyadu....ravunudu ramuni minchina...nishta garishtudu.maha siva bhaktudu..kaani charithralo....rakshasha uddandhudu ayyadu.....even if they were fictitious...those characters are cited in our culture of HOW A MAN SHOULD NEVER be!!!!!!!!!!!!!

U can approach any religious man after a boy's birth....no one I repeat NO ONE..

names their kid INDRA.....athanu aa roju chesina papaniki....ee roju kooda mana vedalu athani peruni pettukovatam tappu ga cheppayi.....

Indrudi...paryayam vachela peru pettina.....45 rojula maha santhi chestharu....vaishnavalayamlo....if u dont know ask ur elders....we stick by what we preach
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Humpty_dumpty:

Pre western and Pre islamic inquest is too long a distance in the past.




really......can you kindly when was the last islamic inquests...there are DOCUMENTED evidences.....

and for anybody's sake.....I know my history and know that we were far better off than any western or islamic history in terms of harmony....


evidence...I will give you three....one western:

1.) Max Mueller: The story of Hindu renaissance
2.) V.S.Naipaul: India A wounded civilization
3.)Will Durant: The story of civilization

Will Durant is the leading historian of our times.....Page 16 in reference 3...

"India...what is it ...a mere piece of land...or this divine concoction of the greatest philosophical parlays of god himself...India was the land which truly deserved the name Holy...everything that happened is India was an awe to the world...The way they single handedly gave the world the most complete philosophy, the greatest scriptures holding the most confounding revelations on human thought and life. When the europeans were struggling to cover themselves with a proper strand of cloth..Indians wove the finest silk in the world...when the first university was set up in the islamic state of egypt...India already had the greatest schools and teachers disseminationg knwoledge that we the west shamelessly, claim as ours.....to me India is a divine spirit....a manifestation of the wonder called God..."
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Draupadini cheera pattinanduku....krishnavatharame aadiki vachindhi.....teliyani vallaki cheppandi vintaru.....Pre westernization and islamization India was a far MORE richer, harmonious and prosperous place.




mythological references thecharu kabatti aduguthunna ahalya ni indrudu enduku cherichado..ravanudu seethani enduku ethukellado kuda cheppandi...maha pathivrathala jamana lo ne jarigayi...appudu emi chesi unte ivanni thappinchuknevvalu
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Humpty_dumpty:

why isn't there a reference to the last few hundred years? is it so scarred that we do not want to learn from our mistakes and pick up the bright spots?




alright, Westernization became more rampant only after the 1991 Man Mohan plan with the advent of the Star series of channels hitting the Indian screens. Keep going one decade after another, backwards. All of the 80's and 70's, our mom's graduated, got married and found jobs, settled in life. Anything provocative in the society - I don't think so. How about the incidence of rapes - not as rampant as now. Go back a decade or two again. Absolutely agrarian economy, that too in a free India. No colonization and no feudal systems. Our grand mother's were getting married off, child marriages though I guess, but then again nothing provocative and sex was already a big tabboo in the society - incidence of rape, the least minimum, not that it wasn't there at all but the numbers must have been abysmally low.

If you say there has been no difference between the 50's-60's and now between the 90's and 2K10, women have been the same - this discussion can be closed right away!!!!
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I can speak for myself and some one in my near circle...even if the most beautiful woman in the world strips herself before me .....I have the refrain to tell her....I deserve more than you......and that is what my upbringing and my culture gave me.....

In my family I seldom find men talk harshly to women......and still we as a family never endorse our girls to wear and sound western and they are perfectly happy with that unsaid rule....my cousins were born here and yet they practise that discipline even in the most liberal of California....

Its not the place...its the upbringing
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Quantummorphed:

pre western and islamic inquests...india was a land where people never used to even lock their doors while sleeping......


any evidence other than mythological scriptures?


Quantummorphed:

Draupadini cheera pattinanduku....krishnavatharame aadiki vachindhi.....


so ippudu krishnudiki full time job emaina dorikindha? appudu consultant gaa baanay pani chesaadu...he has a good record
IMO there is a big time period in the evolution of hindu/Indian society which every1 has ignored for their own ends- why do we always have to fall back on mythological stories? why isn't there a reference to the last few hundred years? is it so scarred that we do not want to learn from our mistakes and pick up the bright spots? Pre western and Pre islamic inquest is too long a distance in the past.
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any societal structure be it hindu or other can't function with a corpus of rules and regulations...unreigned minds can stoop to any evil...the so called grand westerners were the ones who killed 100 million people in war in the last 50 years.......if the society here were proper in any sense.......they would never rsort to this sort of guresome crime..........

if liberty is so well respected here...why can't someone ask the question why is that an islamic state pronounce its free will and the west respects it......

Again...when women know when to draw a line w.r.t their behavior...we can reign in on 90% of the cases...the rest 10% are anyway unfit to live in a civic society and should be weeded away
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I can never understand how any self respecting human will use his body as a statement of his identity...adhi moga aina aada aina.....and some one talking abt 5yrs girls thinking about flying kisses showcases the raw immaturity of thought process and complete lack of the notion of identity.....

Then dont even restrict her from sex...show her a movie when she is 16yrs and leave it to her free will.....somehow people here seem to have a grand idea that free will is dependent on age......freewill is independent of body and mind..it is an idea devised by nihilists stating that there should be no rules what so ever for human existence...
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/Jodha Akbar/

Naaku chiraaku dobbindi ee synma soosi...Ashutoush gaadi turokolla ni aa levello loo yenduku please cheyyali yenduku anukunnadoo naaku ardham kaavatam ledu...aa synmaloo Akbar gaadu dharmaanni naalugu paadaala meeda nadipee vaadi type loo soopettadu....also, Hindus meeda kanikarinchi vallani save chesinattu soopettadu...

that film sucked to the core...
CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER
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Guttonkay:

Look back at the n number of rape cases you heard about before westernization touched India




telisi chesina statement aa idhi leka blind support kosam chesina statement ah....pre western and islamic inquests...india was a land where people never used to even lock their doors while sleeping......

Draupadini cheera pattinanduku....krishnavatharame aadiki vachindhi.....teliyani vallaki cheppandi vintaru.....Pre westernization and islamization India was a far MORE richer, harmonious and prosperous place.

If you renew your historical know how a bit.....islamic inquests were the time when Hindu women were mercilessly raped......malli danni glorify cheyyataniki Jodha Akbar...ani oka daridramaina....distortion of history....neethi leni kukka Akbar gaadu 5 pellalu unchukuni Jodha ni love chesi pelli cheskunnadata...daniki mana hindu mahila vaadantha potugaadu ledani pelli cheskundata....

get out of ur so called happy western vision of the world and get ur hands dirty with facts....and then we can see right into the face of truth and then even dare talk about what it means in a certain sense
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child molestation , victimised by close relatives, day2day life lo bayataki velthe kaamadaham tho siggu lekunda straight ga private parts paine kallu petti chuse manushulu....touching private parts in public transport etc etc are very common in india.....sthree lani poojinche desam




excellent!!!! Did that happen in the era earlier to our grand mothers? Why the difference now? No matter women are always looked upon as an object of desire, why are they so reachable now?

What Der is pointing out is valid. Hinduism preaches respect for women and hindu women used to earn it as well!!!! But, women in western countries are just objects of lust. nuvvu, nenu women colleagues gurinchi cheap gaa maatlaadukunna maree ghorangaa undadu. ikkada vaallu alaa koodaa kaadu, rape/feel cheyakapovachhu but their minds are even worse and corrupt!!!!! Just a valid point to accept.

eppudaina sarey, oka society lo upbringing baagunte responsible and respectable citizens avuthaaru. agrarian economy ayina India lo males polam panulu chooskovatam, females mostly intlo panulu chooskovatam jarigindi. Once in a while vari naatadam laantivi females involve avuthaaru otherwise, most of the time, they stuck to homes. However, I do agree that practises such as sati/kanyasulkam were utterly attrocious and women didn't had to suffer that way. But, as and how middle-class section started taking shape in the societal structures, intellectual and financial liberties kooda women ki vachhayi. A very excellent and commendable reformation which does no bad at all ever!!!! But sexual liberty, which brings sexual confidence for women in public, is still a bad thing to happen!!!!

I can woo any man ki, I can woo my man ki chaalaa teda paduthundi kada.
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The only way to stop rapes is through gender distance.. no co-ed schooling.. no playing with opposite gender.. marry before 20.. no gender mixing at work places.. else just enjoy the rapes and extra marital affairs and relax...
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child molestation , victimised by close relatives, day2day life lo bayataki velthe kaamadaham tho siggu lekunda straight ga private parts paine kallu petti chuse manushulu....touching private parts in public transport etc etc are very common in india.....sthree lani poojinche desam

rape 100000 lo okallaki lifetime problem, kaani paina cheppindhi 100 lo 80 mandhiki day2day problem



USA lo mari alantivi chaala limited....somehow public culture baaga frame chesukoni follow avutunnaru....manasulo entha vikrutha aalochanalu vunnaa paiki exhibit cheyyanantha kaalam problem ledhu anukuntunnaa
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Guttonkay:

It's all about men not being able to keep their hormones under control, it's about control.





Guttonkay:

andaru abbayilu rape cheyyatlede?




I don't have time for this anymore!!!!


Guttonkay:

I think when we stop equating the phrase I love you with sexual or romantic feelings only, then we won't imagine a 5 yr old girl blushing.




nenu chepthunnadi ardham cheskune position meeru leru. 5 yr old ye blush chesthey, aa pilla 15 yr old ayye time ki control tapputhundi ani maa colleague bhayapaddaadu!!!!! Intha simple logic elaa miss ayyaru guttonkay gaaru!!!! Naa opika matuku chachhipoyindi!!!!!
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Guttonkay:

rape has nothing to do with a woman being liberal or not. It's all about men not being able to keep their hormones under control, it's about control.

boledu mandi ammayilu boledu vidhalu ga dress avutaru. boledu mandhi abbayilu vallani gamanistaru. andaru abbayilu rape cheyyatlede? Men who can't be any better than dogs are the one who do rape.




Why do women activists talk about asleelata and aabhyata then? because they too believe that irresponsible dressing by woman can elevate the harmone levels in some men who are on the boundaries. Is it only woman are allowed to talk about asabhyata and asleelata and if a man talks he is supporting a rapist?
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ilanti pani chesina vaadi sulliX public ga kosi kaaram dhobbithetyy inko LK ilanti pani cheyyadu....

thana istam vayya evaditho kaavalantey vaaditho padukuntaadhi... neeku adhi telisina nuvvu rape cheyyakoodadhu kaavalantey line esukoni theggottu.... anthey kaani rape chesta anna thappe......
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Guttonkay:

All of you who are saying it's the woman's fault have such a twisted way of looking at things




appudu, ippudu, eppudu, rapes jaruguthune unnayi. nenu chesaanu, nuvvu koodaa chesaavu sareynaa!!!!

recent gaa number of rape cases ekkuva enduku ayyindi? perverts ekkuva ayyaaraa?? or same number of perverts repeatedly chesthunnara?? perverts ekkuva ayithe how did the numbers grow? did normal folks grow up as perverts? why would that happen?? same number of perverts unte anni saarlu repeat chesentha chance ela vasthondi??
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meeru nenu matladinta ignore chesi 5 yr olds flying kiss gurinchi matladtunnaru. rape has nothing to do with a woman being liberal or not. It's all about men not being able to keep their hormones under control, it's about control.

boledu mandi ammayilu boledu vidhalu ga dress avutaru. boledu mandhi abbayilu vallani gamanistaru. andaru abbayilu rape cheyyatlede? Men who can't be any better than dogs are the one who do rape.

Daaniki malla meelanti vallu defense! And a kid using the word love is not bad. I think when we stop equating the phrase I love you with sexual or romantic feelings only, then we won't imagine a 5 yr old girl blushing.
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indriya nigrahana leni manishini mrugam antaru........




vere vaati gurinchi teliyadu naaku .. kaani idi matram nijam ..

I think .. we in Indian society can teach boys/girls to attain this ! It is society's duty or else .. it is going to suffer in the long run !
Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahuda Vadhanti - Rig Veda :-)
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No one's preaching that women shouldn't wear any Tees or Jeans. That women shouldn't be literates or shouldn't work and all. Women are equally competitive and have more than a man's share in achieving what they wish for, for all the generations they have lost out to men imposing severe restrictions. They have the right to enjoy Intellectual and Financial liberties.

But, when it boils down to sexual liberty my worst fears come true. My colleague in Long Island is already scared about protecting his 5 year old, because her class-mate, a boy of the same age threw flying kisses and shouted out loudly the love word after school and the little girl was already blushing!!!!!
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I can't believe you guys.

aadadhi prativatha ga vunte rape lu jaragava? Look back at the n number of rape cases you heard about before westernization touched India. Men who can't keep their d!ck in their pants will go after any woman - she doesn't have to be wearing a skirt nor does she have to be out at night.

school ki velle pillalni kidnap chesi rape chesina story lu chadavaleda meeru? panipillalni rape chesina yajamanula gurinchi chadavaleda?

All of you who are saying it's the woman's fault have such a twisted way of looking at things. If you have a sister you will know that she doesn't have to make eye contact with anyone to be noticed, to be commented upon and anything more.
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fantasizing about younger one's is different. molesting is totally different. Fantasizing is completely private and no harm. It's just the way the person is. Physical molest is bad. Either ways, as I said earlier, it falls under the "Intended" category.


Quantummorphed:




Exactly, what you said was right. Women and their dignity and chastity is considered the most precious in the hindu community, more than any man's life. Humpty had mentioned that good bro Lakshmana had salvaged Soorpanaka's nose and ears but the story goes she misbehaved with indecent proposals and was thereby punished. She behaved like a characterless brute and Lakshmana only exemplified whatever to keep women in control.

Every woman among the hindus is a Holy Grail, confining it in order to protect it isn't wrong!!!
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Der, are you supporting Jambal? Really?

Jambal, nee bottomline ento konchem cheppu.
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if parents imbibe the values in both men and woman...while they grow up....teach them self refrain and respect to values and traditin...ilantivi jaragavu....people who rape are sheer perverts.....indriya nigrahana leni manishini mrugam antaru........

beasts are born out of cultureless breeding and when raised under half baked notions of so called liberty....
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Jambalahaart_raja:

Everyone has their way of life, some are gay, some are pedophilic - all through their lives, but as long as it doesn't harm, it should be OK!!!!


you cannot put the two entities in one sentence. Do you actually think pedophile is just a state of mind? Do you think that pedophiles do not exist in our proud country? What about the victim? A time of innocence is corrupted forever. Do you think it is easy for a child to grow into an adult all the while there are some haunting memories for which he does not know the reason?
Liberty is too great a virtue to be buried in books
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adadhi...pavithranga unantha kalam....ilantivi jaragavu...independence of will is not manifest in showing the breasts that you have....

monna evaro oka medhavi cheppadu ikkada...men kandalu unte.flash cheyyadaniki..sleeveless kontarata ....alantivi vadini

Athi vedhava....show piece....braggart antaru.......alanti vadiki evaru respect ivvaru.....

similarly...a woman is always revered when she carry her self with dignity...any "SELF RESPECTING WOMAN" would never resort to flaunting flesh to impose her identity....

ones body is not a statement of ones identity....adhi telyaani manishi has intrinsic flaws in their character
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still sthree laki saraina gouravam labhinche desam naa bharatha desam antaam gaani....... western countries lo veellaki vunna independence ,selfrespect mana vallaki vochaayaa ?




OT not to contend your claim......adhe unreported claims ikkada unda koodadha???

Women in the west self respect ekkuva ante navvi potharu....there is no other part of the world where a woman is purely seen and discussed as an object of sex and lust than the west......

The only sort of discussion abbout women in the so called "hang out" places in the west is how sexually arousing a woman is.......chinna anecdote isthanu don't know if you know it or not

Jesus and ministry described a women's role as confined to home and were "DECLARED" inferior to men......This is the modern bible followed today...

Islam gurinchi entha takkuva charchinchu kunte antha manchidhi.....Ibrahim lodhi in his inquests on India...first stated..." We should impregnate all Hindu women with our seed such that they are emotionally bound to us and eventually hindu wouldn't have any one to propogate his race and shall eventually be eliminated"....Mughals adopted this policy as a guideline...

Hinduism is the only religion....I REPEAT the only religion where woman was ascribed the supreme power far greater than the creator itself...shakthi...is the concept that was in place far prior to documented hindu history......but it also clarly defined that a woman should be an object of reverence...as men by virtue are more unrefined in instinct and it is the woman by virtue of her divinity and purity shall refine him to samsara and eventually moksha.....
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OT annai nuvvu thellolla forums ni kooda vadhalava. Nee oopika ki naa lal salam.

inko chinna marpu observe chese ee madhya. venakati kanna eppudu nee post lalo humore ekkuvaindhi. may be bacause ur posting with less pressure. chiru politicks lo fail avvadam manchi kick echhinattu vundhi.
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for as much as India is being censured.....in terms of the incidence of rape crimes....as of 2000

USA was leading the pack of western countries and by 2002 Canada took those honors...




india lo 75% sexual offense cases register kaavu anukuntunna..do not compare by official statistics




yedhi emainaa....still sthree laki saraina gouravam labhinche desam naa bharatha desam antaam gaani....... western countries lo veellaki vunna independence ,selfrespect mana vallaki vochaayaa ?
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sexual offenders ki saraina punishment lekapovadam kuda india lanti countries lo rape cases ekkuva ki karanam

Ikkada kuda mana range lone kamandhulu vunnaaa moosukoni untaaru/ pay or trap chesi pani chesukuntaaru...

na avagahana adhi

veellu bayataki offices lo, public places lo kanipinche antha decent gaallu kaadhu...listen to their private talks i.e anonymized talks in forums or in parties or in bars............ maree rotha ga matladutaru vallaki telisina ladies gurinchi kuda...
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der annai , endhi dobbuleduthunnav. sarigga ardham kale. konchem explain cheyyaradhe.
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Jambalahaart_raja:

Take developed nations for example, women sport bikinis freely. Celebrities constantly suffer pics of nipple slip or naked butt being exposed by the paparazzis. Most female artists consider shedding clothes as a leap towards popularity or achieving an academy award. Yet, the incidence of rape is low.




reason is : easy access to sex ,rather than the reasons u posted...

teerani korika mudirithe/pervertion tho rapes chestaaru sex starving places lo...

kaani dev countries lo legavagane pedataaniki oka ____ dorukutundhi beg or buy

plus over exposure to /exposing vaati paina antha deep desire develope avvanivvadhu as u said.....
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jambal and marv tamuds
endhuk women kurrol ni d'lu eduthunnaar...papam foreign poris ki india gurinchi emi thelusthaadhi....mana kurrol ni anandi
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nenu cheppedi maximum janaalaki nachaka povachu

multiple-partners is a sin ani strictgaa vundatam valla problems.

adedoo important thing. adi anta easy gaa dorakadu ani feel ayinappudu, consequences pattichukokundaa, vunna situation lo kaavaalsindi dorikichukundaam anukuntaaru

ade.. kaavaalsindi easy gaa dorukutundi ani anukunnappudu.. ilaantivi vundavu..
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Jambalahaart_raja:




for ur own good...go easy on this thread.....unless u are prepared for a barrage of mindless opinion slinging...with no rationale......

for as much as India is being censured.....in terms of the incidence of rape crimes....as of 2000

USA was leading the pack of western countries and by 2002 Canada took those honors...

Asian countries only "FOLLOW" western countries in rape crime incidence......
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dlm baaga seppav. the tought of controling womans dress itself is rape. jam babai never again think of it. vaalla dress valla istam. for example if more people think like u , the world will be with woman in burkas. appudu kooda rapes jaruguthai. then they think of keeping them inside house. dont allow any woman outside. appudu kooda jaruguthai. mottam eppukuni animals laaga thirigina jaruguthai.
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kaama, krodha, madha, matsyralalo edi control lo leka poyina edo oka ghoram jaruguddi....avi control lo pettukotam andariki sadhyamena? I dont think so...

mari aapatam ela? tough laws vunte kontha varaku control cheyyachemo..but assalu crimes anevi lekunda cheyyatam impossible...anukunta..

bipasha basu/ammayila exposing cheyyaka pothe, rape lu aagipothaya? aagavu..anukunta..

naa perspective lo ila jaruguthayi anukuntunna... general gaa rape chesetollu moratollu.... mandu kodathad(r)u..mood vasthadi ... sex workers dorikithe ok..leka pothe aa time lo atu side gaa pothunnna evaro duradrusta vanthuralu meeda aadi(lla) kallu padathayi...rape chesestharu... deeniki bipasha basu/day time lo exposing ladies tho sambandham ledu anukunta...antha appati mood ni battu vuntadi anukuntunna...(ivi max cases) (ilantivi control cheyyatam koddiga kastam, tough laws, police gasthi etc vundali..)

inko type, oka ammayi meeda kannu paduddi oka edavaki..try chesthadu ..oppukodu....final gaa rape chesthadu.. ittantivi appatam koddiga easy..first lo chiraku pettinappude dummi repi, makkalu iraga deesthe, set ipothadu....
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take my 5 stars, nenu gonthu chinchukuni chepthunnadi adey!!!! If I were a rapist, and I can't get Bipasha, whoever is within my reach will be.
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I think a woman who shows off also knows how to defend..so rapists never touch such woman, or if they touch, they will be taught a lesson..poor woman are those who get raped by such rapists who were unsuccessful in raping those woman who show off..
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Mallik:

If you see have some erotic thoughts, go to bathroom with some _porn magazines.. dont even think of having an excuse to such acts.. grow up.. sadvukunnodi kannaa saakalodu nayam ani proove cheyyakandi.. siggu chetu..




asalu nuvvu matladedaniki emanna artham vunda? Is jambal supporting the rapist here?

for example..some people suggested that women should learn self-defence mechanisms..the goal is to reduce the number of rapes. In the same way jambal is suggesting women to dress a little more conservatively...In either cases the intent is to reduce the numner of rapes against women..

Open up a little bit..
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Mallik:

what seperates a human from animals?




Do you know the answer? Do you still think laughter makes humans different from animals. Let me first clarify this notion. Laughter is actually only an expression of one indulging in a joyous moment. This doesn't prove that animals cannot enjoy!!!! It's just that their mode of expression is different.

Now coming to the answer, animals can only prey,eat,sleep and mate but humans are meant to do more. This comes something like an awareness, a consciousness, a feel of the individual - self and a different level of Realization. I could challenge you with - Do you know why humans behave like animals?

Every crime and apparently, every misunderstood heated discussion in this DB is either intentional or provoked!!!! Read and re-read my first post until you are clear, preferably in an unbiased mode and if you are still not clear, I am sorry but we cannot discuss anymore. I already know, we both are wasting our time mutually and yet I replied to your post as a last attempt to clarify some stuff.

The worst part of this DB is that stances towards discussions are taken personal and participants are tagged for the rest of their lives!!!! People need to learn Tolerance!!!!!
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Mallik:

Dude.. do you know what seperates a human from animals? please dont say the ability to laugh.. if you know this subtle difference, our disco ends here..if not, iam wasting my time..




super cheppar sir..


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Jambalahaart_raja:


Dude.. do you know what seperates a human from animals? please dont say the ability to laugh.. if you know this subtle difference, our disco ends here..if not, iam wasting my time..
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Mallik:

Would that make it right to kill/rob his car? That person might be or might not be showing off.. but I felt it that way.. woudl that still make it right?




You are missing the essence. Do you believe people have stopped burglarizing?? Why does the man in the Benz need insurance and stuff?? When he could afford to maintain a benz, he could afford to lose it too!!! This discussion is not what is right and what is wrong. This discussion is to look at the core of the problem. Why would anybody rape a woman? What should be done to prevent it?

See you are sensible, I am normal, everyone in this DB is good, there is no bad person that we know of. This is actually good. I haven't met a rapist in my life. Leave alone any person who holds a gun. That's because our mind-sets are channelized. How about those criminals?? If the incidence of such cases is increasing, it definitely means the situation is serious!!!!
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Any deviation from sensibilities and general thinking/reasoning is more or less, a refuge from something troubling the senses. In a state of mental trauma, the mind would wander about and seek solace elsewhere from normalcy. As long as it hurts none physically or even mentally, it is still safe. All it needs is TIME, to heal off. I believe, pedophiles or serial killers, or to the matter of fact rapists are patients of the mind. Channelizing thoughts is the only solution.

When you ask me what's a pedophile, I know what you were referring to. And I also know my answer I have given you and to this moment, I feel proud of what I really am, Tolerant/Accepting/Normal. Anand pinni keeps emphasizing in most of her posts about keeping the mind in balance and I do see, not everyone in this DB achieves that. Everyone has their way of life, some are gay, some are pedophilic - all through their lives, but as long as it doesn't harm, it should be OK!!!!
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I dont have a car. Every month, i take a bus pass and travel. I see some one travelling in a benz. Would that make it right to kill/rob his car? That person might be or might not be showing off.. but I felt it that way.. woudl that still make it right?

There is no excuse to such acts.. yes, you had a bad childhood, your step father used to sodomize you every night.. that doesnt make you to rape someone or do an act which is illegal..

If you see have some erotic thoughts, go to bathroom with some _porn magazines.. dont even think of having an excuse to such acts.. grow up.. sadvukunnodi kannaa saakalodu nayam ani proove cheyyakandi.. siggu chetu..
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Jambal....ur statement is mindless mama...sorry...but wat about pedophiles??? who r provoling them???
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monna british girl rape case gurinchi antha misunderstanding anavasaram.

Every crime is either intentional or provoked, and so is every heated discussion in this DB.

If you guys say, Rape is because men can't keep their dick-heads under control ante, I don't refute but am only reminding, women should equally stop provoking. And for all those who read only what they want to read, provocative women are not the victims of the rape case but instead those who arouse the carnal desires of lame rapists and are majorly unattainable.

Take developed nations for example, women sport bikinis freely. Celebrities constantly suffer pics of nipple slip or naked butt being exposed by the paparazzis. Most female artists consider shedding clothes as a leap towards popularity or achieving an academy award. Yet, the incidence of rape is low. It is still the same sexual liberty that women are enjoying, but it has not been a damaging one. Why the difference? The difference is because of Realization, Awareness, Consciousness and General Knowledge of the right and wrong!!!!

In a community like India, which is very vulnerable and can go out of control - like the current incidence of rape related cases time and again, the realization or awareness I have been mentioning previously cannot be brought about right away tomorrow, early first thing, but surely, heroines can say NO to smooching Emraan Hashmi/John Abraham and save all Indian women some grace!!!!