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Sr Software engineer high salary 160K, software engineer 150K.
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Just paisal kosame aithe, link lo unna salaries are not at all promising..

Some one is comparing apple with microsoft esp in enterprise sector.. please dont do that.. request.. Mac book anedi soku vadaneeki tappithe, regular pc ni kotte antha dammu ledu..

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True_indian:

adendi comedy ga unnayi salaries
sr software engg is making more than program and project manager



bay area tech companies lo common . managers kante developers ki salary ekkuva. lekapothe vallu jump antaru. managers ki bonus lu vuntayi.
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adendi comedy ga unnayi salaries
sr software engg is making more than program and project manager
we need kakarla to certify lot of Mental Kandidates
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Mental_sachinodu:

70% of fortune 500 companies use open source technologies.



mostly small businesses use open source software but gartner and forrester are predicting that in next few years open source is going to establishes its roots pretty strongly.

the major concern for mid to large scale businesses avoiding is, as mentioned before, support. to address this issue and make open source penetrate well there are businesses which are providing "support & training". I see a constant increase in this "support and training" companies in the IT. May be it is time to create such company...but requires lot of knowledge and expertise
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Wrathchild:

Open source is good but big corporations are worried about Support. Ofcourse there are lot of other things involved,but this is one reason why open source is not yet there where it was expected to be




In my view it is the other way round. 70% of fortune 500 companies use open source technologies. it is the small, medium sized businesses that have trouble with support, as they do not prefer to have extensive staff to maintain their technical resources. Microsoft has long been using the small and medium sized industries. Most R & D firms are on open source as well.
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Quantummorphed:

far distance away from a proper knowledge services company as Google is....




google's core strength search is based on static data. twitter - when they go full blown will be based on real time data. check out this week's TIME cover story and google or bing for 'larry page on twitter'


Quantummorphed:

google was the first to embed it into an e commerce framework




they were not. there was a company before them double** something that had already done that. but theirs was a pull framework while google with its awesome search presence made it a push. and they succeeded.
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there will be a day when google will be trapped in "privacy" issues.
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when google becomes immune...it will be destroyed with similar cases http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/07/judge-orders-yo/

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Bushu:

twitter has completely blind sided them.




Hmm..ela?? Twitter is just micro social networking framwork and is a far distance away from a proper knowledge services company as Google is....

Yup dutch auctioning system is age old but google was the first to embed it into an e commerce framework
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Jambalahaart_raja:

I am waiting for a day when it'll take over part of IBM and all of Google.




that's a joke. IBM ni touch chesentha scene ledhu oracle ki. MSFT tried taking over SAP and that's the closest to a coup one can come. oracle predicted taking over sebl, psft way back ...
why? yes saar
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re framed the business model along the dutch auctioning system........




nothing new in what google did. that online ad auction model was already in place. they just leveraged their search dominance with the ads and had a killer combo.

for all the brain power they have on board, twitter has completely blind sided them.
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Jambalahaart_raja:

I am assuming, Oracle might even take over the .NET platform someday from Microsoft




There are many other vendors IBM especially , SAP in its nichie, HP to some extent,

Oracle has to fight for its own existance first
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clould computing their is another major player amazon
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Jambalahaart_raja:

Microsoft OS lu ammukuntu tiragaali anthey!!!


What about MS Office, Visual Studio, MS Exchange, Biztalk, SQL server etc?

Even after a decade, there is no strong competition for OFFICE. They make lot of money on it. Same goes for Exchange server.
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Jambalahaart_raja:

All that Cloud computing aims at is Software-as-a-Service. The infrastructure comprising the DBs, the Servers, the OS, everything is laid upfront by the Product Software now and all their clients need to do is to follow the APIs in building their applications here-after. Either ways, be it the Licensing costs or the Cloud computing Infrastructure costs, there is significant amount of money exchanged.




SaaS as a paradigm is very straight forward....the biggest bottleneck thus far has been the scale....you are probably not seeing a subtle undertone here. Let me give you an instance:

Suppose I license Matlab(single machine) for a single machine in a firm for say 10,000$. If the project estimate predicts that this investment has a running ROI of say a 2000$ per year and license renewal stands at 500$ an year....excluding the interest value of current investment....

10,000-(1500 t) = 0 i.e almost 6.5 years to recover the upfront cash allocation benefit through usage of the standard matlab stand alone......

If the same company has the need for say a network version it might cost them say 10 times more.....and on top of it the maintainence and training associated to multiple users ( these costs are what people call systematic costs...U can't do away with them)...

If You come along and offer a farm.....of 10,000 servers dedicated to running matlab with a multix sort of setting.....and charge say an annual contract fees of some percentage of 2000$ per client......and then on top of it offer complete reliability of data and computation ...(this is where band width innovation was a key till couple of years ago).....then what you create is a virtual passive consulting sort of an ambience which deals only with data..rather than analysis of it.......

What google wants to do is two fold:

1.) Initially offer large farms for computing for end users. ( this is not its USP though...

2.) connect third party farms using an enterprise relevance and bidding mechanism ( hybrid dutch style). and charge per communication basis.

Google per se is actually creating a market with its own outlay....the first phase of the plan will be to host farms comprising 10% of its mega farm and renting out 90% of the rest to players intending to position themselves in this space.

There has tremendous buzz in the industry on this and there are big 4 tech and business consultants producing white papers regularly sizing up the market need and readiness for the advent of cloud
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Mrhyderabad:

Microsoft




Microsoft OS lu ammukuntu tiragaali anthey!!! Already Vista flop, next two versions pothey inka Mac will get popular. Apple computers ayithe funniest story in my personal regard, started out as Personal Computers and now ended up as an electronic gadgets company with iPods and iPhones. yetu pothondo daanike sarigga teliyadu.

I am assuming, Oracle might even take over the .NET platform someday from Microsoft. Anthati kashta kaalam ippatlo raakapovachhu but Oracle's buying and killing strategy simply amuses me.
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Humpty_dumpty:




I recently suggested an open source bi tool(pentaho) for a new client..meeku idi chalu ante uhu we are concerned about the support annadu..ofcourse other big players have other ways to lure new clients.
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Wrathchild:

big corporations are worried about Support


hmmm...might be true...but there is this other thing, where big corps are investing big time in in-house IT and R&D...a big amount of time and resources is being spent on mastering and implementing these open source technologies...they are banking on their own investment for support...

there is no clear winner on open-source vs cloud/vendor services...who adapts more and who provides more for the client is the key
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Jambalahaart_raja:

Oracle will remain the only licensing firm.


Microsoft
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Wrathchild:

Open source is good but big corporations are worried about Support.




Players are changing sir, ani nenu anatam ledu.

http://www.wired.com/culture/culturereviews/magazine/17-06/n ep_essay

Anyways, if at all Cloud Computing fails and Open Source doesn't reach it's expected mark, Oracle will remain the only licensing firm.
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Jambalahaart_raja:

When the core and basic requirements of any software project or business can be met with minimal, free, open-source framework software, why even go for the big bucks?




Open source is good but big corporations are worried about Support. Ofcourse there are lot of other things involved,but this is one reason why open source is not yet there where it was expected to be
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Der_schuler:

who cares what they pay...the work they do defines cutting edge.........the quality of work that google provides will satisy any one intellectually inquisitive in as much as I know......




Mrhyderabad:



My classmate and class topper works for google. i know why he likes google. he is not after money or power. he is after technology and innovation. he left intel and joined google. he is a rare gem i have seen in my life. and he is simple and very friendly in nature.there was a welcome banner for him when he went to iisc to give a presentation on open source technologies. he rocks.
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Der_schuler:

firms were leveraged 22:1 when standard regulations only allowed for a leverage ration of 9.


This is not directly related to thread topic, but i will appreciate your view.

Tell me one wall st firm which didn't leverage? GS was also on the list ... but they might have stopped at 15:1 or so.

Dorike varaku andaru dongale...

Do you really believe "bad bets" were the only reason for LB failure? Do you deny the possibility of ex-GS guys role in letting LB fall? They just made LB a scapegoat.
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That is not even a point. There is no such thing as a sure success Biz, but that's not even the discussion. The discussion is what kind of a business model could run longer.


Der_schuler:




What exactly is Cloud computing? In layman's terms, it's a reverse licensing model. Companies, to host their own applications, be it for their clientele or vendors or even on the internet, had to purchase expensive licensing with warranty support for such huge applications from Product Software companies like Servers, DBs, OS etc etc. All that Cloud computing aims at is Software-as-a-Service. The infrastructure comprising the DBs, the Servers, the OS, everything is laid upfront by the Product Software now and all their clients need to do is to follow the APIs in building their applications here-after. Either ways, be it the Licensing costs or the Cloud computing Infrastructure costs, there is significant amount of money exchanged.

The basic question now arises. Who would be willing to pay for such expensive stuff? A close friend of mine, works with Barnes n Noble as a mere contractor but fortunately, he works closely with his Vice President. And very recently, he took it up as a challenge and convinced his boss to replace the expensive Oracle Database with an Open Source DB - MySQL. When the core and basic requirements of any software project or business can be met with minimal, free, open-source framework software, why even go for the big bucks?

SUN was looked upon as the pioneer of open source. Their most popular Object Oriented language, Java, was a free-to-download. They never stopped and went on to improve it, innovate newer concepts, spread out into the internet arena with a whole bunch of techs, tools and specs. The only thing they must have missed on their way is that an Organization cannot survive by serving everything for free. But, other foundations took over such as Apache, Spring, Hibernate, Voldemort and the game is still on. If the big players have the money to rule the market, the smaller players who ship everything for free have the alternate resources to topple them.

As long as there is free/cheap stuff, no business-model will work. I have never known Oracle venturing into the Cloud Computing domain, but for sure, they are eradicating their competition of alternate resources very fast. If at all Cloud computing fails, which has higher probability owing to several factors, and licensing rules - Oracle will remain a bench-mark in the history of the tiff between tech-biz.
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Mrhyderabad:

GOOGLE is IMMUNE to any downfall.




Can you kindly refer to any post of mine which explicitly said Google can NEVER fail.

All I said was that oracle can never take over Google....primarily owing to completely different business models.....and the market that they cater to
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An article doesn't mean a article in WSJ. Infact I dont quote WSJ for reliability or some news paper ever. I only believe in authentic publication subject to logical compliance. There were academic publications in reputed journals by people who are called the masters of the game way back in early 2007 predicting a leverage bubble burst on the back of CDS and CMO's...even in 2001 it was a 650 billion industry.......and firms were leveraged 22:1 when standard regulations only allowed for a leverage ration of 9.
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Der_schuler:

Nope you are comparing Google ( a knowledge services firm) to a product based company ( Financial and electrical).........

I guess one needs to pause and understand....what a knowledge economy is....rather than resorting to comparison with typical business models


I am also a big fan of google.

But i don't agree with your statement that GOOGLE is IMMUNE to any downfall.
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Der_schuler:

May be you didn't....there was an article in 2007 regarding the leveraging detriments of both


There will be lot of people coming up with their claims after Catastrophe.

9/11 attacks tarvata guntur lo evaro swamy kuda cheppadu... i predicted this 2 years ago ani.
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No body would have thought that they will go bankrupt in less than 7 months from then.




May be you didn't....there was an article in 2007 regarding the leveraging detriments of both Lehman and Bear....catastrophes don't happen in business ...there are always tell tale signs
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Mrhyderabad:

6-99 time lo SUN will struggle for its existence in few years ante people pichi
vaadu emo anukune vaallu.

Till 2007, Lehman Brothers was rocking in fixed income and prime brokerage areas. People on the wall steet were trying to follow LB's aggressive strategies. No body would have thought that they will go bankrupt in less than 7 months from then.

So there is NO guarantee for any biz in this world. If there is any such one, then there won't be any other stock trade on the floor except that one.





Nope you are comparing Google ( a knowledge services firm) to a product based company ( Financial and electrical).........

I guess one needs to pause and understand....what a knowledge economy is....rather than resorting to comparison with typical business models
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You are missing a basic point i guess.

6-99 time lo SUN will struggle for its existence in few years ante people pichi
vaadu emo anukune vaallu.

Till 2007, Lehman Brothers was rocking in fixed income and prime brokerage areas. People on the wall steet were trying to follow LB's aggressive strategies. No body would have thought that they will go bankrupt in less than 7 months from then.

So there is NO guarantee for any biz in this world. If there is any such one, then there won't be any other stock trade on the floor except that one.
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cloud is the next WWW paradigm breaking the previous barrier of computing and matching information in presence of a resource to usher in compute anything computable and search anything that can be searched even with out a computing resource...... Computing at a level of common man....is the reality that cloud wants to accomplish...

again there is nuthing original about this idea...MIT had project O2 almost 10 years ago......its just that google now has the capacity to scale at will...the key to that pradigm
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Jambalahaart_raja:

when it'll take over part of IBM and all of Google.




Will never happen...google's biggest game changer has been its workforce....when they started out....google ads followed a conventional add program.....i.e static advertising.....

then they hired one of the smartest economist on earth and re framed the business model along the dutch auctioning system........

There is a reason why Google is pushing cloud computing that far....they had already spent 100 million on just branding a space in which there are hardly 4-5 players of significance.........and the reason simply is this....

when u scale SaaS paradigm to a farm comprising of millions of servers handling request for applications....(assuming the bandwidth innovation will catch up), the first thing that consumers will ask is reliability of applications, safety of data and integrity of data and its transmission.......

That is the whole game they want to play......just like relevance matching and relevance search....once there is need for reliability...there will be players who would vie to put money to top the relevance search by bidding.....that is more richer and a more complex auctioning game.....with more traunches of money lay in waiting.......

If cloud computing progresses the way it is ought ot...google is perfectly set up...with the killer app and supporting business model
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Idle_yzag:

extraordinary salaries yem kanapadaledhu



Der_schuler:

who cares what they pay


Well, majority of the people i guess. You may be a odd man out.
Perception is immune to Intellectual Correction ...
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If Google is mere an advertising company, as told by Wired.com, there isn't much to it. It's gonna end somewhere.

http://www.wired.com/culture/culturereviews/magazine/17-06/n ep_googlenomics

Oracle took over Siebel, Peoplesoft and very recently BEA Weblogic and Sun Microsystems also. I am waiting for a day when it'll take over part of IBM and all of Google.
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who cares what they pay...the work they do defines cutting edge.........the quality of work that google provides will satisy any one intellectually inquisitive in as much as I know......
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extraordinary salaries yem kanapadaledhu, 10% atooo ittu Avg salary ki dhagraga ga vasthai andariki DB lo anukunta
Jai Congress Jai Jai Congress
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http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/Google-Salaries-E9079.htm
chindial work atmosphere ikkada.
DB lo google ki work chese vallu evarina vunnara ?

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