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Ashton:

Richard Dawkins expresses his true thoughts about atheism and religion.




The video you posted is a heavily edited /remixed version. It makes Dawkins look like a bumbling idiot , which definitely is not true:-)
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Ashton:

Richard Dawkins expresses his true thoughts about atheism and religion.




The video you posted is a heavily edited /remixed version. It makes Dawson look like a bumbling idiot , which definitely is not true:-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Sandipus12:

Do you think, as an example, invention of television is inspired by our knowledge that ''God'' can view/know things from a remote place, or is just the curiosity on the part of scientist involved, to know more about his surroundings?




You probably tooks a wrong example - invention is a rational use/implementation of what has already been learnt.

Discovery and theories - are what are driven by faith ...Not necessarily in God , but faith that there is more than meets the eye, more than what can be proven rationally and scientifically today.

Nisarga:

I felt that Dawkins should have given better answers.




I agree - he was going red and getting uncomfortable..probably would have worked better as a debate without moderation ...I belive there is Hitchens -Lennox debate out there too - have to find and watch it...

Soniafan:

janalu peace ga vuntaru ani different stories ni religions chesaru olden days lo..........but we are doing reality now......Janalu peace ga vundali antey........promote atheism antunaru




That's the irony - religions started locally and were limited within geographical confines - as people start travelling, collective ego manifests itself, conflicts of our system better than yours start :-)
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Anand_n:

I personally agree with a lot of Dawkins observations and many of Lennox's too...especially his comments about the role of faith in furthering science - its a point I have made many times as an argument against rationalism...that if you believe in only what can be proven ..you close your mind to what yet remains to be proven



Thanks andi, made me thinking

Do you think, as an example, invention of television is inspired by our knowledge that ''God'' can view/know things from a remote place, or is just the curiosity on the part of scientist involved, to know more about his surroundings?

secondly, furtherI read or know about anything in depth, more clueless I become
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Anand_n:

Have you seen this - Debate between Dawkins and Lennox on the God delusion ?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8283512842334277406




video chusanu. it is good. I felt that Dawkins should have given better answers. it would have been better if it was a dialogue( instead moderators intervention)
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Richard Dawkins always tell that ......one religion is creating harm for other religious people now-a-days......but atheists are the best people who live in peace antadu


Comedy amiti antey......janalu peace ga vuntaru ani different stories ni religions chesaru olden days lo..........but we are doing reality now......Janalu peace ga vundali antey........promote atheism antunaru :-) :-)
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Bushu:

Myths are the children of a civilization but God could have originated in the first group of homosapiens in africa.




Read the article Nihil posted ... it indicated God is processed in the part of the brain that evolved most recently ...
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Anand_n:

If God is a creation of civilization and that's when the evolution of God theory would make most sense




there's no proof for that. Myths are the children of a civilization but God could have originated in the first group of homosapiens in africa.
why? yes saar
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Mrhyderabad:

atheist




Good to know :-)

Mrhyderabad:

All of them evolved more or less in same fashion..

Similarly they might have thought in same angle too




So are you saying there might be "god" gene that makes people think of GOd ?
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Anand_n:

atheist



Perception is immune to Intellectual Correction ...
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Anand_n:

The curious thing is many people had the same idea in the different civilizations ... How do you explain that ?




Even though civilizations started in many places... all of them developed same habits, intelligence right? All of them evolved more or less in same fashion..

Similarly they might have thought in same angle too
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Bushu:

why do you think that? all civilizations started from a common group and the idea could have floated from the group.




If God is a creation of civilization and that's when the evolution of God theory would make most sense - then civilizations happened in various places before the traffic between them happened...
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Anand_n:

The curious thing is many people had the same idea in the different civilizations ... How do you explain that ?




why do you think that? all civilizations started from a common group and the idea could have floated from the group.
why? yes saar
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Mrhyderabad:




Are you an atheist or agnostic ? Nothing wrong in either - just asking :-)

Mrhyderabad:

Yes !!

Whoever has started this was genius




The curious thing is many people had the same idea in the different civilizations ... How do you explain that ?
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Anand_n:

So you are saying from an evolutionary perspective, the belief in God and religion evolved as a survival/existential need for humans :-) Essentially that man created God not the other way round ..




Yes !!

Whoever has started this was genius.

Many of you may not like RGV but he wrote an interesting article about this in layman's terms... i will try to post it here...
Perception is immune to Intellectual Correction ...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_fRuTlH964

Richard Dawkins expresses his true thoughts about atheism and religion.

This video is for intellectuals but others might gain from it as well:

Today's world lacks this sort of clarity in many matters.
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Tried to find a transcript of the debate for people who do not like long videos but no luck...

But those who can , do watch the video - some great points made by both of the debaters - I personally agree with a lot of Dawkins observations and many of Lennox's too...especially his comments about the role of faith in furthering science - its a point I have made many times as an argument against rationalism...that if you believe in only what can be proven ..you close your mind to what yet remains to be proven :-)

I agree with Dawkins suggestion that one of the best gifts we can give children is skepticism(though I prefer it to be alongside faith)...so they feel free to question faith and make up their minds through their own investigation... :-)
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Nisarga:




Have you seen this - Debate between Dawkins and Lennox on the God delusion ?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8283512842334277406
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jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Nihil:

GOD and RELIGION has a firm footing in evolution and human biology and there is a wealth of scientific literature out there supporting it.




So you are saying from an evolutionary perspective, the belief in God and religion evolved as a survival/existential need for humans :-) Essentially that man created God not the other way round ..

Nice Article ...

But, had a question on it - it focusses on God 's traits being interpreted in the brain same way as human's would interpret someone else's.. That's the paradigm limitation of the human brain we talk about always - that we can only understand things in reference to what we already know...

My question biologically is - is there a different centre of brain for guaging other's reactions/actions versus our own ?

If yes , it would be interesting if they did a similar experiment with strong believers of Advaita ...who do not see God as someone else:-)Say Srisri Ravishankar, Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev or Swami Nithyananda ...It might possibly light up a different area of the brain in them :-)

The subjects they picked are all abrahamic religions which see God as external to them - hence trying to map to other's :-)
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Dawkins is an evolutionary biologist in Cambridge and an atheist.

So, leaving aside all the metaphysical and philosophical spiel you guys blow here , i like to purely discuss on the biological and evolutionary basis.

GOD and RELIGION has a firm footing in evolution and human biology and there is a wealth of scientific literature out there supporting it.

Check this article : http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16725-theory-of-mind-c ould-help-explain-belief-in-god.html

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Posted on Thursday, May 21, 2009 - 05:51 am:   Insert Quote Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ee book ki counter ga anukunta dawkins delusion ani evaro rasaru
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Introducing this book -- The God Delusion -- by Richard Dawkins

Some excerpts from wikipedia(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Delusion)

....In The God Delusion, Dawkins contends that a supernatural creator almost certainly does not exist and that belief in a personal god qualifies as a delusion, which he defines as a persistent false belief held in the face of strong contradictory evidence. He is sympathetic to Robert Pirsig's observation in Lila that "when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion.....

about the book:
As of November 2007, the English version of The God Delusion had sold over 1.5 million copies and had been translated into 31 other languages.[5] It was ranked #2 on the Amazon.com bestsellers' list in November 2006.[6][7] In early December 2006, it reached #4 in the New York Times Hardcover Nonfiction Best Seller list after nine weeks on the list.[8] It remained on the list for 51 weeks until 30 September 2007.[9] It has attracted widespread commentary, with several books written in response

interested people please share your stand on Dawkins core views.

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