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     Shawshank Side Hero Username: Shawshank Post Number: 2969 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 67.173.43.248 Rating: N/A |
Bro my problem is with that article is .. when caste system was at its peak, India was the best country to live in (take any index of economics) till the end of 18th century. You can go to any historian and ask if What I said is wrong. The caste system in the society has declined considerably or probably worsened (however you want to take that) and the same time deteriorated the standards of lives adhering to that caste system. Why blame something else for failure ane point meeda argue chestunna. Indians are a tad selfish (JMO) and that is reason why many ideas die at the stage of blueprint itself. However good an idea is it needs collective work to implement it. Maa bava TIFR lo nuclear scientist ga chestunnadu, though there are people who give good ideas, the higher ups always try to own the credit for that good idea; thereby, killing it in its birth itself. Ofcourse, these are just my observations ! Vote for Bharatiya Janata Party  | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1109 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
I Agree. Janalu ippudu message ni vadhilesi, migatha vaati meedha paduthaaru. Generalized statements endhuku ichaaro naaku ardham kaledhu. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Jkm Side Hero Username: Jkm Post Number: 2357 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 216.235.145.222 Rating: N/A |
looks like after 27 years since the company started Infosys got more managers than developers. | ||
| Kurtcobain_ Junior Artist Username: Kurtcobain_ Post Number: 69 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 198.231.23.244 Rating: N/A |
He should have refrained from references to a paticular caste and HISTORY. His correlation of our inherrent nature of laziness to the Brahminical system is laughaable. The message should simply have been "MOVE YOUR ASS". without refereing to any CASTE or HISTORY. | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2105 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
Agree..govt asked him and he provided.. his ideas did not see light... that too in 2 different govts and if he believes he his ideas can make difference why not do something outside of the govt. "So when a society does not value implementation, execution, what happens is you create more and more reports and nothing gets done" - endhuku ee suthi antha.. personal opinion ante govts ni dummethipoyamnu.. kaani why generalization of the whole | ||
| Mega Side Hero Username: Mega Post Number: 2726 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.252.218.5 Rating: N/A |
I think it is fair enough....They asked for his ideas he gave them. But they havent done any of his or others dieas which they seeked. Why do you expect NR to go ahead do them himself.... It is the govt's duty here. And he has the right to make comments like any one of us Vote for Change. Vote for PRP. Be the change you want to see! | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2104 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
I would have regarded that, as his personal opinion but below lines ticked me off "We are not a nation of doers; we are a nation which believes that our articulation is our accomplishment." - idhi pure intellectual patronizing. ------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Bottomline naaku kanapaduthudni ee interview lo.. NMR ki govt of india edayina super post ivvali and then he will start thinking about implemenatation plans. | ||
| Rajusk Side Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 7700 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250 Rating: N/A |
evadaina ammudu boye sarukune kada dukanam lo pettukonedi..idi anthe anukonta  | ||
| Der_schuler Junior Artist Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 803 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 99.140.160.102 Rating: |
mana sadaru NRM kadha.....Elitism gurinchi lecture ichedhi.....thana resume lo thanu UG chesina Visw Univ rayadu....... Master from IITK ani raasukuntadu........ Cheppevadiki vine vaadu lokuva.... | ||
| Der_schuler Junior Artist Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 801 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 99.140.160.102 Rating: N/A |
Indian societies never gave importance to wealth.....it was knowledge which is revered. Caught in the web of materialism, if we ask why do everyone wants to be a thinker, then we are the biggest hypocrites. | ||
| Rajusk Side Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 7693 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250 Rating: N/A |
not just 70s...until early 90s...kooda ide scene.. andulo nannu kooda add chesuko  | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3759 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
That's his opinion and I think he has a right to express it aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Der_schuler Junior Artist Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 800 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 99.140.160.102 Rating: N/A |
I think NRM is caught in the dualism of Accomplishment. Accomplishment can be seen at two different levels. There is certainly a hierarchy in the way innovation is accomplished. If he were referring to the general nature of accomplishment, I think, he can't be more further away from the truth. First, an idea IS NOT EASY TO GENERATE. How many of us can come up with a model of computation as Von Neumann did. An idea is an abstract manifestation of ones visualization. Its not necessary that idea need to have practical implication.Neumann hated engineering even though he fathered the whole realm of computer science. For him intellectual sweat was far more worthier than physical labor. In 1941 when Nuemann wanted to build a computational model for nature, he visualised a finite state turing machine which can mimic the underlying th logicity of nature so that, humans can do, MORE THINKING in his own words.with out his idea, ikkada lectures iche 99% mandhiki lifeline ledhu. Its his view of the universe that influenced some ENGINEERS at Bell Labs to come up with the first mechanical prototype. Now the complete life cycle of idea and its implementation was a mere 7 years. In 50 years it spawned an industry that generates 1/2 of world revenue now and is poised to be the driver of the next knowledge revolution. anyone who says ideas are worthless is worth a laugh. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3758 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
This is different from implementing them himself And why he needs the Govt. to act on his ideas - we came a full circle Have to go aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2103 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
ante ideas ichesi govt commissions ki.. naa responsibility ayipoyindhi ani chethulu dulipesukunnadu .. thats ok but why this articulators not implementors suthi ani | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2102 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
i am not saying NMR is not implementor , infact i regard him as the no.1 businessman who climbed his way up and in doing that he proved himself that is not only a thinker but also an implementor.. Na point entante - oka certain patronizing angle kanapaduthundi NMR interview lo.. He is rich,famous and powerful.. Infy kosam govt and govt rules bend cheyagalgevaadu thana ideas implement cheyinchukoleda ani | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3757 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
What drove that ? Isn't it the change of society towards materialism - that gave money a higher value ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2101 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
70s lo unemployment valla engg and medicine fields are percieved as ticket to security,financial freedom and esteem kaani presently chala attitudes maarayi society lo.. easy money ekkada unte ade chesthunnaru.. esteem and career correlation taggindi recent times lo | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3756 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
I do not think anyone can say NRM is not an implementor .. but there are limits to what he can do as an individual and he has done more than most individuals even aim to do ..and he probably has more right to point fingers at the govt than most of us who have not done anywhere close but still gripe about the govt. everyday aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Rajusk Side Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 7685 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250 Rating: N/A |
This was my point too... Charity is one of the angles.. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3755 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Rajusk, Here's the link http://www.infosys.com/infosys_foundation/ aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2100 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
charity chesthe well and good but the point of discussion here is .. he is point fingers at govt for not implementing his ideas.. i will say why complain.. take it up and do something about implementing ideas. Thats what i say. Charity is good and i appreciate murthy family for that. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3751 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
She does it under "Infosys Foundation" Its no secretaa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Rajusk Side Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 7682 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250 Rating: N/A |
I know she does some charitable work.. but what I was saying is...carry the brand name and do it and let everyone participate and know about it.. Why should they be so silent about the good they do.. May be if they said it loud enough..more people would have donated to their cause.. For example in the mould of a Shankar Netralaya, Akshayapatra and so on... | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3750 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Sudha Murthy (NRM's wife) does a lot of work on the charitable front - they have donated libraries and computers to a lot of schools etc... aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Rajusk Side Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 7676 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250 Rating: N/A |
Ade nenu annadi.. valla stock price oka 100 sarlu split chesi...chesi alisipoyaru kaani.. ituvantidi kooda chesi unte baagundedi ani naa feeling.. I know some of their top guys are in the board of directors of Akshayapatra..but why do they need a religious organization for a social cause ..when they themselves have created so much wealth... | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2099 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
yaa.. ala kakapoyina oka Nonprofit establish chesi he ould have pursued some his ideas if not all. Given his stature amongts indian youth ... he can make enormous impact. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3748 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Ok - let's take the 20000 foot view.. what motivates people to follow a career path ? Basic needs,security needs, esteem needs and then actualization needs... First 2 are financial, esteem is social(the dignity accorded to a trade) and actualization is later life need usually after all the previous are met...actualization needs the ability to create (hands-on work)- people usually fulfill that as a hobby , because it cannot fulfill lower needs The career path is chosen early in life based on how well it satisfies the first 3...usually its a tradeoff between money and social considerations, and to a lesser extent interest... In a society that gives equal respect/esteem to all trades , money will drive the choice...if both are equal, it will be interest that drives the choice aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Mallik Side Hero Username: Mallik Post Number: 4452 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 162.116.29.69 Rating: N/A |
Nenu cheppindi mari future gurinchaa..?? In this db, there's always someone watching you!!  | ||
| Wrathchild Side Hero Username: Wrathchild Post Number: 2746 Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 192.146.101.71 Rating: N/A |
nuvvu maree cheptunnav..mech ki anta low in the past anukunta.. | ||
| Rajusk Side Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 7671 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250 Rating: N/A |
everyone has to do their bit...nenu salaha ichanu vallu patinchaledu ante..it is just a transfer of blame.. oka Infosy...oka Wipro or whoever...can fund educaitonal institutions(even if it is as small as just primary education in remote villages) and offer free education or whatever like the Tatas did by funding some educational institutions.... If they are already doing it..pardon my ignorance... | ||
| Mallik Side Hero Username: Mallik Post Number: 4451 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 162.116.29.69 Rating: N/A |
Cheppakoodadu kaanee.. Me was a mechanical engineer, btech and m.s .. now doin programming  .. I was pretty good at machines, automobiles.. but job search chestunte already mech job cheshe seniors oddu annaru.. 42K kante ekkuva vellavu raa .. even after 10yrs, at the max 60K raa.. annaru.. ayyo avunaa ani, nenu lite teeskunnaa.. ofcourse, naa brain emi inventions cheshe brain kaadu.. so mech field didnt lost a brain child.. In this db, there's always someone watching you!! | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1108 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
shawshank brother, i think we are straying off from what NRM meant, but i might be wrong. i thought his point was that we need not be proud of our ideas, unless we execute them. i understand it as we all want to come up with ideas, but not show the same level effort in executing the idea. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1107 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
annai, definitely he has trust issues, no denying in that, but we i am taking about his attitude towards the society, take the professor who tries to help him, he always tries to show he is smarter than anyone who certify themselves as smarter. even in the bars, when a random guy tries to show off his knowledge of economics, he makes it a point to humiliate him, no trust is involved here, but still he feels that need to humiliate that person. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Shawshank Side Hero Username: Shawshank Post Number: 2967 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 67.173.43.248 Rating: N/A |
I would slightly differ here. I would give how examples of India flourished in history and how things worked as he wanted in the "real world". He took the priestly caste of Brahmins as an example and conveniently deduced that they do not do anything "materialistic" than pertaining to God. I differ and will infact list my understanding now. I will also include how Caste as a system contributed to India's success from 2nd Century BC till 16th Century AD. Brahmins were also in key ministers and brains of administration in many erst-while kingdoms (Guptas, Satavahanas, Vijayanagara, Magadh empires etc .. ) Brahmins have also taken up fine arts in a big way, be it Music, poetry, writing. I think these occupations will even today can be considered "materialistic" jobs in Narayana Murthy's terms. Let us take other castes which absolutely did majestic works. Indians of the past did trade of Silk in 1st Century AD with countries like Indonesia, today's Cambodia, Myanmar, Thailand, Arab countries and even till Japan and China. What does that mean? They had the capacity to produce the finest silks for nearly 1700 years. Is that not a profession and also mastering it? Fine, how did they do trade and acquire wealth? Business skills and communication skills, right? (When the so-called modern intelligent world with aid of proclaimed western education cannot maintain a constant growth over a period of 10 years, what right does it have to ridicule a professional group (caste, may be) which delivered results straight for 1700 years) Next how did they do business with such far off lands amidst high-seas? It is due to navigation and understanding of seas. Effectively, a great profession even today. Now think again to see which all castes cohesively did business and enjoyed a monopoly in this realistic business of trading silks? Those who produced Silks (Oh yeah, I almost forgot to say they were leaders in 'Sericulture' for 17 centuries as well.), Vysyas who did business with such far off lands, Navigators (frankly, do not know which caste exactly did this, but Indians were far superior in navigation of seas) who made this business feasible! Next, let us see, if India had created anything tangible in all those years. You have those caves of Ajantha, Ellora from 200 BC to 300 AD. You will surprised even today that such a huge huge (double adjective required!) structure can be built. You will amazed to know that they conceived those caves to be multi-storeyed!. They have cut huge jungles to go in to those remote places, constantly managed a work force for 500 years to cut those huge, gigantic rocks to create absolute marvels of art and sculpture. Also think that they fed all those people in the midst of forests. Is it because of agriculture practiced in forests without disturbing ecology? Is it because of huge transportation systems which existed to bring men, women and amenities? I cannot fathom how all those existed in 2nd Century BC. I still have lots of examples to give and will surely come back and give them. I am all for modernizing the country. But when I saw this statement from a great man, Narayana Murty, who I hold in great regards, I was offended.
Sorry sir, cannot agree with you. I can provide innumerable examples over this and prove there is no strength in your argument. I have an important work to catch up. I will be back in a few hours and continue this. Vote for Bharatiya Janata Party | ||
| Mallik Side Hero Username: Mallik Post Number: 4450 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 162.116.29.69 Rating: N/A |
There can be N reasons. Some are fed up with our society, some want to see whats on the other side of the world, luxury etc. And we live in a relative world.. India lo adi chaalaa ekkuva.. Money can buy status but not dignity, atleast in India.. In this db, there's always someone watching you!! | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 13858 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 199.230.203.254 Rating: N/A |
Haha...The kid in that movie has trust issues.....He chases whoever tries to form a bond with him....the only reason he chooses his friends who r a bunch of thugs with no prospects cause he is sure that no matter wat they are not going to leave him..... The same way he lets his girlfriend to move away from him by being mean to her.....its his defense mechanism.....dont want to let anyone to come all way inside him n hurt him.....Once the professor realizes that he looks into his past why matt developed such a personality....And opnce he realizes of the abuse he assures him that it was not his fault....Once matt gets that assurance n makes sure if he pursues someone with clean conscience he will not fck it up he goes after the girl he dat he chased away b4 Wat a movie.....type sestthuu scenes thalchukuntuntey goose bumps osthunnai | ||
| Wrathchild Side Hero Username: Wrathchild Post Number: 2743 Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 192.146.101.71 Rating: N/A |
If you know the person is capable of enough of doing something better but still he chooses to be a janitor, is it wrong to change his direction to do something better? | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2098 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
Raju garu.. the only grouse i have against all these brilliant educateds is that - they start to complain even before they get started. | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1106 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
that the whole point der brother. we do not want to anedhe kadha andharu cheppedhi, but you still need the janitor. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1105 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
Der brother, that movie is a series of conversations. and i feel we can elaborate and dicuss on each conversation at various levels using different perspectives. what you have qouted is one perspective of the professor. the kid is certainly afraid, he is not only afraid he does not want to heed to any power. the kid was afraid his father is going to hurt him, but he never resisted, he wants to defy power. he wants to defy the power yeilded by society. again i might have not understand the movie, like anyone else did, but i have my perspective. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2097 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
anand goruu.. meeru ichina reason case by case work out avuthundi.. we can no way generalise that people left fields of brain work in idnia just to attain status and dignity.. | ||
| Der_schuler Junior Artist Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 799 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 99.140.160.102 Rating: |
ikkada kahaneelu cheppe entha mandhi will let their progeny be a janitor if they say they want to be a part of free wheeling society and seek dignity in it?????? | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1104 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
raju garu, i understood you commented based on what i have posted in that thread. Meeru cite chesina comment made a lot of sense, and NRM garu kooda same annaru ani nenu ayana qoute ni post chesa the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Rajusk Side Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 7670 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250 Rating: N/A |
I think ayana 20 years gaa ideas isthune unnaru...thru columns..statements..lectures .may be those ideas are too difficult to implement emo.. | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2096 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
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| Der_schuler Junior Artist Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 797 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 99.140.160.102 Rating: N/A |
Either you didn't understand the movie or you chose to misquote it. At the end of the movie, the psychologist says: " The kid is afraid to like and want anything cuz he lost everything he ever wanted. he knows he is good at math but he is afraid that he can't take its pressures associated with not making it big".Anduke he refutes the girl friend too | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2095 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
thats what i am saying.. ideas ichevallaki ela implement cheyinchalo teliyanappudu ..those ideas never get out of paper.. | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1103 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
that is the concept of the movie annai, society drives the sensibilities that a more talented person has to take up more responsibility. Will eventually does that in the movie, but inner feelings of an individual when take a path that say i wont heed to what others expect of me, but i will live the life as per my needs. why does some individual work for someone else? yes he is talented, and he uses those talents when he pleases, but not when someone else needs it. If you look at the conversation with the psyciatrist, will points out that the most talented people are being used by the society to create more havoc that create more good, and he has no interest in being part of that society. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Rajusk Side Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 7668 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250 Rating: N/A |
Nenu only aa thread lo info tho naa opinion post chesina.. i am sure a person of his stature and understanding would surely know what the problems of the society are.. we need more people contributing to programs like AkshayaPatra..so that more kids can go to school and not worry about food...and they can probably come up with something good for the country.. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3745 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Is this not driven by the higher dignity/status accorded to brainwork and not by a preference for brainwork ? Why did people leave their fields of brain work in India to become software programmers in US - money was another way to buy dignity and status in India aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Mallik Side Hero Username: Mallik Post Number: 4448 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 162.116.29.69 Rating: N/A |
I felt that movie as total meaningless. What professor meant was, he can use his brain to solve some complex math problems by which hundreds can be employed. Daari chooyinche vaadu daari chooyinchaali.. okadu vesina daarini follow avuthe enduku? In this db, there's always someone watching you!! | ||
| Rajusk Side Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 7667 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250 Rating: N/A |
Government can create incentive for those industries who want to do R&D in India..that's all it can do.. | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1101 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
raju garu, NRM also has said the same an answer to a different question, "You know I am of the opinion that the primary objective of the government in a country like India is making sure that there is efficient delivery of basic services, like primary education, primary healthcare, nutrition, and shelter to the poor people. I don't think corporations should expect the government to put money and help them out. However, can there be any policy changes? Well, yes. We must become more aggressive in promoting our exports. We must become more aggressive in accepting foreign direct investment... so that they start creating more and more jobs. And even if they do not make profit, because these are large multinationals, they can withstand a year or two of losses. I would say that we must promote investments heavily, make sure that banks provide working capital to Indian companies quickly and efficiently at the lowest possible interest rates, and make sure that the Indian company does not have to spend too much time in state corridors or even in Delhi. That's all the government can do. " the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Mallik Side Hero Username: Mallik Post Number: 4447 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 162.116.29.69 Rating: N/A |
Raju gaaru.. brain drain ni yaad marshinru meeru.. where are our brain childs? why govt is not showing any career after graduation? ilaa soothooo pothe aagadu.. Murthy shoudl emphasise more on R&D.. govts elaagoo chetha kaani dhadhhamma.. microsoft/google are not run by govt.. In this db, there's always someone watching you!! | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1100 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
I think he used Engineer in a more a generic sense. Someone who comes up with an idea can be percieved as an engineer of the idea. a business man comes up with a concept, which entirely not from a technical aspect, but still he is an engineer of that idea.
annai, manual labor ani kaadhu, take millitary, a front line soldier is given as much importance, as the cook. the jawan feels the pride in performing his task, cook takes pride in his task, and the commander also takes pride in his task. the commander values each resource, each is merited equally. commander himself will not feel that he is above the rest of the jawans. that is the spirit in a millarty society. but mamulu society lo dignity of labor, a person who works on mundane tasks is looked down. Good Will Hunting lo dheeni meedha manchi analysis untundhi. Will does odd jobs like brick laying, and when the psychiatrist points that a person with your talents is not suited for the job ani, Will stikes back saying that is the reason why i am doing these jobs, as long as it is honorable i am going to do what i like ani.
Getafix annai, you are talking about the projects that fail once started, I think NRM was talking about ideas that never get out of paper, and stay in the papers. where no one takes the initiative of the execution. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Kurtcobain_ Junior Artist Username: Kurtcobain_ Post Number: 68 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 198.231.23.244 Rating: N/A |
When someone designs a blueprint and a technical architecture document he must be sure that the concepts or the ideas he presented/used in his design or blueprint can be implemented. He should be verifying that through some proof of concepts(ENGINEERING). One cannot call any document/diagram a blueprint or a architecture documenent until one is not sure whether the concepts in the blueprint/architecture documenent can be implementable . Till then(until verified through POC) the document remains a peice of art. | ||
| Rajusk Side Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 7665 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250 Rating: N/A |
manaki Roti..Kapda...Makan ki dhoka ledu annappude kotha ideas puttukuvasthayi.. 30-40% of the population are struggling for 1 of the 3 or all three.. aa background lo alochinchali evaru alochinchina.. | ||
| Mallik Side Hero Username: Mallik Post Number: 4446 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 162.116.29.69 Rating: N/A |
Design and Implementation on caltech nachhindi mama naaku. But technician, brain usage anthagaa ekkaledu. When an electron can move so much faster, why not use its speed ane feeling naadi.. In this db, there's always someone watching you!! | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2094 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
Murthy gaari argument lo edoo hole undi ani anfisthundi. ofcourse nenedo goppa ani kaadu kaani..murthy ila ante baagundedi - manaki ideas ivvatam oochu kaani aa ideas ni implement ela cheyinchukovalo teliyadu ani | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2093 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
I am not sure how IT projects work in india.. i dont have any experience there.. but with my limited experience both in university and in corporate field - i can surely say.. implemetation is achieved by delegation. I have worked in projects were ideas put in while scoping and design phases were masterpieces but their execution was flawed and the reason was - delegating issues. | ||
| Mallik Side Hero Username: Mallik Post Number: 4445 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 162.116.29.69 Rating: N/A |
Engineer design the idea/blu prints. Technicians are the one who work at the machine, say a lathe/milling/automobile. Caltech ref enduku ante, Idea raavadam easy ne.. but implement cheyyadam kashtam.. ani Murthy gaari bhaavam.. In this db, there's always someone watching you!! | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2092 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
naaku, engineers and technicians argument AND caltec lo NM bro-in-law working 20 hr in lab to execute ideas argument - artham kaaledu.. is he implying that ideas are implemented by technicians in lab? Technicians ante engineers iche ideas ni implement chesevalla.. naku telsi engineers implement engineering ideas.. NM confused me there | ||
| Mallik Side Hero Username: Mallik Post Number: 4442 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 162.116.29.69 Rating: N/A |
I think its the other way round. May be someone doesnt have enuff brain, opts for manual labor. Its not only in our culture, anywhere in the world. In this db, there's always someone watching you!! | ||
| Kurtcobain_ Junior Artist Username: Kurtcobain_ Post Number: 67 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 198.231.23.244 Rating: N/A |
Here everybody wants to be an engineer, nobody wants to be a technician. So when a society does not value implementation, execution, what happens is you create more and more reports and nothing gets done. =================================================== I think he got the definition of ENGINEERING wrong. ENGINEERING does include implementation and execution. I think NRM was having software project managers and above in mind. We talk of the superiority of GERMAN ENGINEERING not GERMAN TECHNICIANS. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3743 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
There is no dignity of labor in Indian society and the results are there for everyone to see... This one line says it all ... if you do anything with your hands, it is considered less honourable that anything to do with your brain To take the IT scenario, Any project gives benfits only if the concept is taken thru development to implementation.. but to do that we need hands on developers and architects and hardware support people...with experience so they can be productive at their job... In India, programmers career path to show progress has to go into management... get out of hands-on work and go into ideas/concept - articulation mode..so development is always with inexperienced programmers driving the costs up and making it inefficient.. And most programmers do not like management but go into it for "status"(dignity) reasons ... Who wins in this situation - not the individual, not the company , not the customer - its the same with other fields... aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Tpg Junior Artist Username: Tpg Post Number: 748 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 65.117.194.114 Rating: N/A |
nice one... very interesting observation..!! | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3742 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Great insight from Mr.Murthy aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Junior Artist Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 886 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
correct gaa cheppadu...hope we all accept it with being hypocritical... Liberty is too great a virtue to be buried in books | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1099 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
This is from Narayan Murthy, its interesting to see his opinion. "The Indian society is a society of ideas. It is a society that has revered talk. In this society, articulation is mistaken for accomplishment. We are quite satisfied with our voice, with our writings. This is not a society that is focussed on execution. Frankly, the problem is due to our caste system and the dominance of Brahmins in our society for long period. The Brahminical system said my job is to think of the higher worlds. My job is to think of connecting you people with God. I don't want to do anything that has a relationship with the real world. Now that is a problem that has played havoc with the Indian culture. So, here in this culture, if you do anything with your hands, it is considered less honourable that anything to do with your brain. Here everybody wants to be an engineer, nobody wants to be a technician. So when a society does not value implementation, execution, what happens is you create more and more reports and nothing gets done. For example, (Reliance Industries Chairman) Mr Mukesh Ambani and I gave two reports on how to improve the higher education system: one to (then prime minister) Mr Vajpayee and one to Dr Manmohan Singh. Second, there has been the Knowledge Commission. Nothing has happened. Third, in 1998 I was a member of the IT Task Force -- which was headed by Mr Jaswant Singh -- and that task force submitted its report somewhere in 1999 0r 2000. Nine years and I don't think even one suggestion has been implemented. And we made 108 suggestions! So that is why I am not a big fan of ideas in India. My brother-in-law is a famous professor of physics at Caltech and he tells me it is very easy to come out with an idea. But to validate that idea he and his doctoral students will have to work hard for six months, one year... sometimes two years. That takes 20 hours of work each day for two years. So it is important to come out with new ideas, but it is even more important to execute them. We are not a nation of doers; we are a nation which believes that our articulation is our accomplishment." the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada |
