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Dhaarkaar
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Pavala:

Annai
nee sainma lo naaki role enti ?


papulamu memu ebrasi debhrasi mohamulu maavi...ane rich role..
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Unorthodox:

Bump for KKD. Please read post no 2632(go down 7 posts), it might be useful to you.




thanks annai...
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Annai
nee sainma lo naaki role enti ?
Yevadu boora voodhithey Pamulannee bussumani puttalo nundi bhayataku vasthaayo, vaade Pavala
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Bump for KKD. Please read post no 2632(go down 7 posts), it might be useful to you.
Cinema for the larger audiences can not be poetic--Andrei Tarkovysky
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thx bro nuvvu ee phase lo unnavu...hopefully 4th anukuntunna...waiting for ur debut film :-)
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Rebel:

walter murch aa ? itanu acopalypse now ki chesadu...
OK sony vegas windows lo install cheskovachu kadaa unlike Mac's FCP ?


itanu kaadu...vere atanu...nenu adi chadivi kuudaa 20 years avutundi...e book chadivinaa chaalu basic jargon kosam...sony vegas windows lo install avutundi...

Rebel:

yep ila observe cheytam start chesaka im not able to enjoy the film


That's why learning is a laborious process...over a period...you would learn to observe all in one pass: editing, story, scene, plot, performance, comedy, music...

But for now just enjoy the film in first pass and if you think it's a great film...give it a second viewing and learn all those technical aspects and scrutinize every tiny detail of the film...

You are in the second phase of 3 phases to of the path to become a director....

1) prati director ni tidataam...vaadi kante better gaa tiyyagalam anukuntaam...
2) asalu aa director elaa tesstunnado observe chestaam...
3) maname okati teestaam...adi ati daridramaina cinema ani telustundi...appudu phase 1 lo e director ni ayite tittamo vaadine appreciate cheyyadam start chestaam...

4) Try to make our mark by being different in some aspect....and try to make a debut with a good film....or just try to make one film or even a bad film...ee janma ki oka cinema chaalu anukune stage ki cherataam...

Cinema for the larger audiences can not be poetic--Andrei Tarkovysky
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Unorthodox:

while watching the films, observe where the cut is...what motivates that cut...if you are a natural film lover this should have become second nature to you by now...


yep ila observe cheytam start chesaka im not able to enjoy the film :-)
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Unorthodox:

books ante woody allen editor peru gurtu ledu...atanu raasina book chadivaanu


walter murch aa ? itanu acopalypse now ki chesadu...
OK sony vegas windows lo install cheskovachu kadaa unlike Mac's FCP ?
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Dhaarkaar:


One oversimplified idea for the plot:

Hero, young man, ki oka company untadi, aa company elaanti company ad company naa...iron comapny naa anedi... tarvaata kadhaki elaanti look kaavaali ani alochchinchi maarchuko vachchu. Hero ki old man parichayam avutaadu...hero ki youth kaakundaa migilina evarannaa asahyam, enduku ante that's just his view point...he equates old people with dead people and treats kids as immature...

A strong opposition to his view point comes from the old man. We have to chisel out how to show this opposition and how they meet...this has to be the inciting incident for the story. Young man's ego is hurt and he abuses the old man. At this point old man, cool as ever, asks if the hero he is ready for a challenge...

And the challenge is(I know it's silly, but it still helps our thought process): Hero has a company and he would keep the young employees on paid leave and would keep only old people and recruits kids...

It would be on, this way, for six months and now the hero really gives himself a chance to look at the old people and kids closely and is moved by their innocence...becomes an informed man...becomes a real man...so far he was only looking at company's productivity...he begins to think from heart...financially too, the company does just as well or better...he realizes that conquering ego is the real victory...blah...blah...

ilaantidi edannaa plot mana telugu nativity ki daggaragaa alochinchu...


Cinema for the larger audiences can not be poetic--Andrei Tarkovysky
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Rebel:

post that i saved...not sure if i missed anything or not..


Thanks mottam undi...

Rebel:

niku editing side idea unda...do u recommend any good books/software etc ?


nenu raka rakaala softwares vaadina tarvaata sony vegas suite(comes with DVD architect) ki settle ayyaanu...I loved it...

books ante woody allen editor peru gurtu ledu...atanu raasina book chadivaanu...it gave me basic knowledge...he talks about odessa steps from eisenstein's 'battleship potemkin' etc...

One book is enough to get the jargon...while watching the films, observe where the cut is...what motivates that cut...if you are a natural film lover this should have become second nature to you by now...try not to watch the films edited by the likes of Marthand K Venkatesh...

If you get a chance, try observing editing in british films....

European films usually have fewer cuts and shots are usually long with takes of intricate camera choreography...these won;t be of much help to learn editing...

The meaning of editing has changed a lot over the years...

Cinema for the larger audiences can not be poetic--Andrei Tarkovysky
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Unorthodox:


niku editing side idea unda...do u recommend any good books/software etc ?
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Unorthodox:

Do you have the whole post by any chance?


here's the whole
post that i saved...not sure if i missed anything or not..


1) The screenwriting software I use is Sophocles, named after the greek dramatist Sophocles . The site is down right now, so I am giving you the alternative link here.

http://www.zdnetasia.com/downloads/pc/swinfo/0,39043052,3900 2280,50001288r-39055630s,00.htm

2) Why I use Sophocles: Way back in 2000 I wrote with moviemagic and I didn't like for reasons such as...it puts down eye distracting 'continued' in paranthesis and it's expensive. With Sophocles, even after trail expiry, it doesn't put 'TRIAL' on the soft copy...only when you take a printout it shows those words...I cracked a work around for this. You get 'Casablanca' script as a sample script with this software. Open the casablanca script in one window and open your script in another...copy and paste your script to casablanca script and then you can do the following then.

a) You can take a printout with out big TRIAL letters on the page, even after trial expiry
b) You can convert your script to formats like rtf, pdf etc...

Also, there are couple of templates of format with this software...

Simple to use: for example...one tab sends the word to character place and 'control I' gives INT. slug line

3) About help on writing itself: There are lot of books out there in the market, almost all of them are junk...the gems from this rubbish in the order of 'worth the time' are...

a) 'Story' by Robert Mckee

b) 'Power Structure Screenwriting' by michael Chase Walker

c) 'The art of Dramatic Writing' by Lajos Egri

d) 'Rebel with out a crew' by Robert Rodriguez (not lot of use...it's more inspirational to a director than a writer...one tip he gave was very useful...for El Mariachi, he was short on story by a few pages, so what he did is if there is a scene where the hero visited a club, he made the hero visit the club 3 times, each time with a different scene value and for different purpose...)

I didn't find the following touted gurus' works useful at all:

a) Sydfield books, including his now famous 'Screenplay'

b) John Truby released a book--he issists on fititng the material to a genre with out telling how...

c) 'The Writer's Journey: Mythic Structure for Writers' by Christopher Vogler (This is modelled on famous mythologist Joseph Campbell's 'A hero with thousand faces'...actually Johan Jarvis created a software named Storycraft which is more useful than Vogler's book...Joseph Campbell became famous among screen writers after George Lucas revealed that his writing steps for 'Star Wars' were actually the phases mentioned by Campbell after he compared stories and events from various mythologies, including oriental...)

Wait a second...Yandamuri's 'Popular rachanalu cheyadam elaa?' ane book undi, adi manchi book...teluguone lo kuudaa undi, adi chaduvu, it's useful...

I did not like Stephen King's book on writing...great writers may not be able to tell you how to write a great drama...writing is one thing, and 'writing instruction' is a completely different entity...
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Rebel:

tamud aa post nenu save chesi pettukunna...idigo paste chestunna...




Thanks Rebel. Do you have the whole post by any chance?
Cinema for the larger audiences can not be poetic--Andrei Tarkovysky
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Thanks Rebel kaaka..nenu save chesukuntunaaa..
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Unorthodox:


tamud aa post nenu save chesi pettukunna...idigo paste chestunna...

The screenwriting software I use is Sophocles, named after the greek dramatist Sophocles . The site is down right now, so I am giving you the alternative link here.

http://www.zdnetasia.com/downloads/pc/swinfo/0,39043052,3900 2280,50001288r-39055630s,00.htm

2) Why I use Sophocles: Way back in 2000 I wrote with moviemagic and I didn't like for reasons such as...it puts down eye distracting 'continued' in paranthesis and it's expensive. With Sophocles, even after trail expiry, it doesn't put 'TRIAL' on the soft copy...only when you take a printout it shows those words...I cracked a work around for this. You get 'Casablanca' script as a sample script with this software. Open the casablanca script in one window and open your script in another...copy and paste your script to casablanca script and then you can do the following then.

a) You can take a printout with out big TRIAL letters on the page, even after trial expiry
b) You can convert your script to formats like rtf, pdf etc...

Also, there are couple of templates of format with this software...

Simple to use: for example...one tab sends the word to character place and 'control I' gives INT. slug line
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ledhu annaya..I have requested that thread to be bumped from ARCHIVE..so may be delete chesaro..
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Dhaarkaar:

adhe vethukuthunaa ..gimme 5 mins..


dorakaledaa!!
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Unorthodox:

okasaari screenplay related software meeda post esaanu gurtu undaa!! adi archives lo search cheste ledu...oka saari nee daggara unte post cheyyi...kkd ki emanna use untademo chuudaam...


adhe vethukuthunaa ..gimme 5 mins..
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Dhaarkaar:


okasaari screenplay related software meeda post esaanu gurtu undaa!! adi archives lo search cheste ledu...oka saari nee daggara unte post cheyyi...kkd ki emanna use untademo chuudaam...
Cinema for the larger audiences can not be poetic--Andrei Tarkovysky
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Unorthodox:

I think we need to give dharkaar more time to sketch the characters properly...


sorry annaya..out of office.....yes I need more time..the problem is i'm thinking more at the scene level..so idea ravteldhu...so I need to sketch the outline first...
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For those looking for Dharkaar's idea on which we are commenting...here is the thread of the original idea by Dharkaar http://www.chalanachithram.com/discus/messages/125/26860.htm l



Apple:

Guys I did get the concept a lil bit, is it really required to add a woman character, why not think in this manner a young lady and old man trying to save a kid.

May be I am too dumb....




asalu woman's character add cheyyakundaa...unna muudu characters lo oka character ni aada character cheste...

1) Love story: idi possible kaadu endukante challenged and the challenger ki madhya age gap untadi...they can only have platonic love and not the love we see in our films....

2) If we make the young character a woman: then it's a woman's film, where in the old character and kid are of secondary importance...feminist angle kaasepu pakkana pedite, enta varaku aada character ni main character gaa janam chuustaaru anedi questionable??

3) if we make the old character a woman: this is possible, but I am not sure how dharkaar wants the traits of this character to be...

Also, if we look at the 3 characters dharkaar wrote---all of are them good and likeable characters, then where is the conflict??? since there are no villains, the force that stops the main character from achieving what he is attempting at should be brought about by natural circumstance the hero is in....nature should be the villain (it can be a disease or it can be a financial condition blah...blah...)...it should be cleverly chosen to prove the premise...

I think we need to give dharkaar more time to sketch the characters properly...

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Razesh:

UNORTHO...nuvvu samanyudivi kaavu saami


Thum PURUSH naheeeeeee
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UNORTHO...nuvvu samanyudivi kaavu saami
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Guys I did get the concept a lil bit, is it really required to add a woman character, why not think in this manner a young lady and old man trying to save a kid.

May be I am too dumb....
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Annai sayanthram chadivutha idi, nee opikaki naa joharlu, nuvvu intha time eda nunchi testavu annai, too much rasavu konni points...
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Unorthodox:

elaa unnaavu...we lost touch...


Yeah... long time.

Nenu active ga unnappudu nuvvu DB thagginchesaavu chaala rojulu.... nenu ippudu slow ga thagginchesthunna DB ni... usual ga lunch hour or randomly for few minutes... and also for sometime from home at night... email setta in next few days.

India nundi dosthulu vasthunnaru... next 2 weeks konchem busy unta... I will email you after that.
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Unorthodox:




annai simply superb analysis on gamyam,....
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cylone,

elaa unnaavu...we lost touch...
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Kkd:

annai....screenplay rasukotaniki edhaina manchi software vundhaa...easy ga vundedhi.....


okasaari dharkaar ki post vesaa...detailed post adi...archives lo undemo vetiki pedataa...

dharkar...aa post nee daggara unte pettu

mclovin,
inkaa chuudaledu...nuvvu chepte oka attempt definite gaa istaa

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Kkd:

aa software ease of use ela vuntundhi....??


Easy ne... pedda kastam kaadhu... oo paali downloading sesi try seyyi.
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Mclovin:

Microsoft Word undi gaa.. thoseyyi..






Cylone,

aa software ease of use ela vuntundhi....??
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Kkd:

annai....screenplay rasukotaniki edhaina manchi software vundhaa...easy ga vundedhi.....


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Kkd:

screenplay rasukotaniki edhaina manchi software vundhaa...easy ga vundedhi.....


Microsoft Word undi gaa.. thoseyyi..
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Guruvu gaaru.. Guy Ritchie cinemaalu edainaa soosaara?
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annai....screenplay rasukotaniki edhaina manchi software vundhaa...easy ga vundedhi.....
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kkd, rebel,baba, coke...thanks for appreciation....

Dharkaar,

It's not that I am in a better position to give you advice, as I am also struggling every time trying to write a scene or figuring out the story...still a few words of encouragement for you...final gaa ee kinda points lo inkaa clarity unte, there is a better chance to make it to production level: I know that you have flair for writing...

Another way of testing the subject is to write it and see how long you can hold interest to it...if you feel you are not dying to tell the story, then drop the idea...but for now let the idea brew in your mind...

Don't try to think at the scene level at this point(I made this mistake so many times and shelved couple of them and in the process wasted 2 years), because if you do so, after a while you will be trying to figure out the story at which point you will be too confused to architect the story...

have clarity on the following points and write a scenic outline, have at least 60 scenes, and then at that point you will an idea whether you really have a message you are dying to convey and a story to elaborate for 2 and half or two hours

1) Clarity about premise--idi baagaa alochinchu...asalu jeevitame goppadi, life in itself is a bliss... ane premise--elaa vuntado alochinchu...

2) Can we bring in a woman's character? the reason I am suggesting this is because this is not in a thriller or horror genre, in which case woman's character is not necessary, but a 'coming of age' story. A woman's character can add a dimension to the story and also will help for better universal appeal...

3) How can you fit your material in to a plot...so the audience can follow what's happening?

4) conflict and rising the stakes for the protagonist...

Cinema for the larger audiences can not be poetic--Andrei Tarkovysky
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Thanks Unortho annaya...good analysis..nenu konni points miss ayyanu..after I put the concept on paper...I thought naaku inkaa antha experience ledhu..I shud feel this concept to write this ani pakkana petta...

but last lo okka vishayam anukunaaa...its the old man who gives blood and the yound chap giving his one kidney to keep the kid survive after injured critically in the blast...then there view changes towards each other...
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"What makes you is what you love. Not what loves you" - Donald Kauffman
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Unortho annai....nee analysis tho mathi pogoduthunnav....nee opika ki naa lal salam....
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thammudu kaadhu, annayya
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tamud nee opika ki nenu fan ni
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Tammee...sorry for the late reply...weekend cheddaamanukunnaa, kudaraledu...I just finished reading your concept...this is what I feel...kala lo kuvimarsa unda kuudadu kaabatti...nenu anukunnadi cheptunnaanu...just a few random thoughts...

1) Multiple protogonists: undochchu kaanee success rate takkuva...audience throughline, main point miss avvadaaniki scope ekkuva vundi...

2) Kadha lo aada vaasana ledu...undaalani rule emee ledu kaanee, universal appeal taggipotundi...

3) Premise: "it needs experience of 'past' to properly channalise the 'present' for a better 'future'...."....idee nuvvu cheppadaluchukunna vishayam...nuvvu gamyam2 antunnaavu kaabatti, okasaari gamyam enduku work ayyindo naaku telisinantavaraku cheptaanu...

'naxalites janaaniki duurangaa, sanghaanni bahishkarinchi adavullo bratukutunnaaru...ade vidhangaa kadhalo hero kuudaa janaaranyam lo bratukutunnaadu ledaa janam lo untuu kuudaa aranyam lo bratukutunnattu unnaadu...asalu elaa bratakaali anedi pakkana pedite, asalu jeevitam ante ento teliyaali ante jananni chuudaali mundu...'

idee premise, gamyam ki...kanee writer ekkadaa ee vishyam direct gaa cheppaadu...asalu plot lo kuudaa ee vishayam undadu...the genre of the film is quest and specifically quest for the loved one...ee quest plot lo kaakundaa ledaa inte interesting gaa unde vere edannaa plot lo kaakundaa, direct gaa hero heroine love story beginning nundi ending daakaa layout cheste anta interest undadu...

ee film ki quest ane genre bagaa upayogapadindi...kadha nu nadipinchadaaniki upayoga padindi...ayite writer manalni meppinchindi maatram paina cheppina 'hero going through life altering experience' dvaaraane....hero chivaraku ee vishayam telusukodam dvaaraa oka penu maarpu atanilo jarigindi...ade character arc...

ee character arc e oka maamuulu love story level ni penchindi...kadhalo konni out of the through line scenes unnaa...cheppadaluchukunna vishayam goppagaa undatam valana work out ayyindi...

RGV ane vaadu-'A film has to touch the audience somewhere' ani...gamyam lo writer ending lo nijangaa touch chestaadu...manalni nijangaa alochinpa chestaadu...kaanee deeniki mundu jarigina 2 gantala cinemaa proper gaa interesting teeyakapote, ee point ni manam chuuse avakaasame ledu...anduke cheppadaluchukunna point , aa point elaa cheptunnamu anevi renduu important...kadhaku gamyam, gamanam renduu mukhyam....naxals scenes cinemaalo 4/5 kanaa kanapadavu...vaatini kadhaku anuvugaa maluchukunna teeru praise worthy...

ayite love quest lo gaali seenu character avasaram ledu...kaanee rendu gantalu kadha nadapadaaniki inko interesting character kaavaali kaabatti...hero atleast one different character ni close gaa chuudaali kaabatti ee character upayogapadindi....

4) Plot: ee premise ni prove cheyyadaaniki neeku plot edannaa undaa?? leka pote urgent gaa adi alochinchaali...if possible main plot ki supportive gaa sub threads unte better...

5) ee premise ni oka love story gaa malachadam kudaradu kaabatti audience interest 2 hours sustain cheyyadam kashtam avutundemonani naaku anipistundi...love story ani enduku antunnaanu ante, audience can relate to the structure and yet will undergo a new experience through a new premise....plus premise kuudaa naaku vinagaane 'abaa...emi cheppaadu...aripinchaadu'...ani anipinchaledu...

6) neeku nijangaa baagaa anipistundi...raayakundaa undalenu anipiste, go ahead and do it...ee kadha lo multiple points of view unnaayi through 3 characters...alaa kaakundaa rendu characters ni supporting gaa chesi (old man and kid)...young character point of view lo chepte baaguntadi...at least the audience can root for a character, instead of the confusion of who to empathise...

7) Conflict: ide material ni audience ki interest kalagadam kosam...ee vidhangaa kuudaa present cheyyochchu...young man challenges the old man (aa challenge emiti anedi nee material ni batti untadi) that only youth is valuable to the society or some thing like that and he sets out to prove it and in the process learns that it's not just youth but every phase of human life is important and in fact any living being is vital to this cosmos of secret order....ee premise ni konchem maarchi asalu life in whatever form is important ani chpete elaa untadi???

8) ee kadha lo talent antaa challenge ni elaa prove chestaadu ane pivot meede adhaarapadi untundi kaabatti...daani meeda concentrate cheyyaali....

9) What is at stake...is the most important point: sare kaasepu young character old man to challenge chesi prove cheyyadaaniki ready ayyaadu anukundaamu (asalu nuvvu ilaa chestaavo ledo teliyadu, idi kaakapoyinaa you will make the young man go through a journey)...now the question is what if the young man doesn;t go through the journey??? how does the audience root for him and wants him to succeed in his endeavour...in other words what is at stake if doesn't succeed after reaching destination...

The answer to this question lies in how you make this journey for the young character, a do or die situation, rather a high stakes' conflict...if you don;t make it this way, the audience feel...'sare challenge chesaadu , ayitye enti' antaadu...ade nuvvu kadha lo challenge chesaadu, challenge prove cheyyaka pote...aa prize money raadu, aa money inkoka family member ni bratikinchadaaniki kaavali (oka crude example ichchaa...to rise the stakes) ani munde cheppaavanuko...appudu audience ki vaadu gelustaadaa...ledaa...ane interest....geliste baagundu ani...young character to empathy...'root for the character'...kalugutaayi...

Lagaan is not just about cricket contest...a loss in the match means 'dugunaa lagaan'...Gowariker chooses the double tax as way to rise the stakes for the hero and his team...in fact the stakes are further rised by applying this to the whole province of champaneer...

Lagaan would have been a dud with out the double tax for champaneer...

Think about how you can make the stakes high for the protogonist(make one of the a hero) in your story...


Cinema for the larger audiences can not be poetic--Andrei Tarkovysky

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