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Hyderabadi10
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aada floods lo kottukupoyinodiki...galileo endho...pope endho....
first mana desam ni sakkanga pettukundham...pakkanodidhi tarvatha suddochu
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Portugese first came to Goa

Ragane Hindus, Jews ni lepesaru - History lo GOAN INQUISTION is a famous chapter


Mallee ikkda HUMANITARIAN CUTTINGS
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Nihil:

present day IRAQ lo SUNNI Vs SHIA sectarian warfare lo 6 lakhs died




On top of it mana Buss gaaru oka 1 million ni lepinru..WMD ani..

So Crusades are happening again..let them finish..meanwhile let us enjoy and protect the Hindu country..

Rest mee Arundalpet..
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present day IRAQ lo SUNNI Vs SHIA sectarian warfare lo 6 lakhs died

Mallee vallu peaceful , MALCOM X anta
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Prapancham mottam kirastaanlani leputunrani manam kooda lepudaam ani RSS leader hint iyyavattinru.. iga kaaniyyunri..
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GALILEO THE GREAT - papam SUN IS THE CENTRE annandduku Life long House arrest.

Mallee mana DB POPES - HUMANITARIAN CUTTINGS
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Middle ages lo dhaniki Mother Teresa ni commenting....
time machine nundi bayataki raavali DB historians...
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Present day kalla mundala DARFUR lo ARAB thorakollu, Chrisitins ni millions lekka leputunnaru


Prapancham motham telusu - kani mana DB kappalu Humanitarian Cuttings
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podduna system almost crashed ani oka vaartha vachindi inti nunchi..so soodale..endi paristhithi ani >>>

raju gaaru
thondhara emi ledhu. veelunnappudu pumpundri.

Mclovin thammdu
hatred thagginchu ko. ysr rocks, congress rocks.
antha feeling untay, naa laanti hindu supporters, bihar lo, dalits discriminated in floods laanti threads ni open chesay todinay kaadhu. we all know the limitations in every religion, including hinduism. we also know that, once these dalits are conveted to christianity, we also know that they are not called christians, but called dalit christians and are not allowed to enter their churches and streets.
rest sonia rocks
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Nihil:

Christian Pope - Giardino Bruno ni ROME nadiboddu lo Heliocentric theory pai scietific paper rasinanduku burning at the stake

Christianity - Humanism - Conversion - MASOCHISM




pusthakaalu ekkuva jadivesi nee individual judgement odileshnav annai.
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MIDDLE AGES LO Thurakollu , Chrisitians CRUSADES chesukuni MiLLIONS & Millions dies

Mallee Humanitarian, Tokka ani ikkada DB philosophers
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dalits ni rape setthey case kooda ettam.....

OC ammai ni ni dalith abbai forcebly muddetukuntey SC/ST act thi protect settham....

iina sarey Mother Teresa is wrong....

Casteism rockssssssssssssss
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NORTHERN IRELAND lo LAST YEAR daka CATHOLICS & PROTESTANTS veedhi poratalu chesukunnaru - 2000 members in 25 Y Bombs petti lepukunnaru.

IRISH REPUBLICAN ARMY


CHRISTIANITY - HUMANISM - MASOCHISM
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Telugu_times:

Raju gaaru
North East india lo, jarigindhi diversity kaadhu, forced conversions. chethulu narikeyyadam.
do you know anything about syrian christians 300 or so years ago in kerala?




Edo Anand garu kush aitharu ani jeppi..diversity ane word vaadina..endukante DB lo Change ane word vaadakoodadu anta kada..

Mee DVD vishayam gurthu undi..kaakunte..podduna system almost crashed ani oka vaartha vachindi inti nunchi..so soodale..endi paristhithi ani
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Christian Pope - Giardino Bruno ni ROME nadiboddu lo Heliocentric theory pai scietific paper rasinanduku burning at the stake

Christianity - Humanism - Conversion - MASOCHISM
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Nihil:


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Increasing Diversity. >>>

Raju gaaru
North East india lo, jarigindhi diversity kaadhu, forced conversions. chethulu narikeyyadam.
do you know anything about syrian christians 300 or so years ago in kerala?

(manala mana maata. meeku kopam vacchi, naa yoga cd pampinchadam bandh cheyya kundri)
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Savala meeda maramaraalu erukovadam 10K times better than jenaalni jeevaschavaalu gaa maarchadam.. hinduvulame antaru, gulloki adugu pettaniyyaru.. hemtoo.. pichhi nammakaalu.. convert ainappudu maatram gurthostadi.. eedu manode ani.. kevvvvvvvvvvvv..
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ANAND
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conversions jarigite society ki nashtam emiti?
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Meeku cheppina ardham kadu - light teeskondi :-)

Okasari meeku opika vunte SOUTH AMERICAN history after Spanish Invasion , Asia lo PHILIPPINES history , EAST TIMOR in Indonesia gurinchi chaduvukondi.

How the Social anthropology , cultural impact ani ardham avutundi .

anyway I doubt u will ever understand .

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nuvvu untouchble vi maa dulloki raaku

ee devotees BCs worship sesaru veetini gulloki theesukurakandi

dhommaroda...madhiga L kodaka.....bhogam naa kodaka....yaanadhoda....erikaloda....maloda.....potash ga...ulli ga....pappu gaa....khaddi gaaa.....

hinduism rocksssssssss
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Anand_n:

Nihil,
avanni pakkana pettu..conversions jarigite society ki nashtam emiti?is it increasing crime or overty or illiteracy or hunger ?




Increasing Diversity.


Rest me Hurricane Ike..
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Indian Tsunami appudu oka chethilo annam mudda - inko chetho conversions ani Socalled Secualr media lone punkhanu punkhalu ga news vachayi.


They are literally expoliting the hapless victims .

Ikkda caste ki aganist ani Moral Philosophers

Savala meeda maramaralu erukune rakam - mallee daniki pedda HUMANITARIAN ani cutting
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Nihil,
avanni pakkana pettu..conversions jarigite society ki nashtam emiti?is it increasing crime or overty or illiteracy or hunger ?
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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RSS ring leader enter the dragon kadaa.. inka double century..
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Mother Theresa ki Pope Sainthood icheppudu - Christopher Hitchens acted as Devils Advocate - She has done everything for Conversions not out of some grand humanitarian intentions ani

Mallee Ikkada Masochism Mother Theresa pedda HUMANITARIAN SAINT ani
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kerala lo, christians wont allow Dalit christians to enter their street in their villages.

inka nen koncham rest theesu kunta, Nihil gaaru vacchindru gaa
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LOL

Masochism started .

Christians conversions caste ki vyatirekam aa ??????

Oka Reddy convert Reddy convert ne pelli chesukuntadu , Brahmin convert brahmin ne chesukuntadu, Kamma & Kamma etc etc

Mallee Caste ki aganist conversions ani moral philosophers ikkada lectures -

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Telugu_times:


time ki anni set avutayi.baba..dari tappina.tammulu Jai Shri Ram ane time degarlo ne undi
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Getafix,
post 392 baaga chepparu..my thoughts exactly..

Indiarocks,
you r viewing at discrimination today after the reservations have provided the upliftment..I am talking os the benefit since the inception:-)

and social disparity impacts more than just acceptance ...everything including IQ development of subsequent generations is impacted by restriced opportunities ..oka instant lo convert ayite aa impacts wipe out avvavu...

I already said the policy needs revamping today..

basky,
I am all for abolishing caste based reservations and making it economic and for especially 1st and seccond generation graduates :-)

TT,
Maa oorlo katrina evacuees ki churches chala help chesayi:-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Naakendhi? banga lekka gattigaa unta >>>

banda

savage
secularists elca and jj ragging koosintha jesthundru, but time ki anni sardhu kuntaay. time untay, getavix post number 390 sadhuvu
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Indiarocks:

I repeat, God is greater than religion



aint no god anywhere dude....teresa is god....god is human.....
teresa rocks....christianty sucks.......hinduism rocks.....caste sytem sucks....
have a great weekend....
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Indiarocks:

I repeat, God is greater than religion. .

Well God is not answerable to anybody.. others are


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Baba how r u? >>>

savage thammudu
Naakendhi? banga lekka gattigaa unta
Mother Teresa gaaru puttina rojay nen gooda puttina. Nen safe.

gee weekend Motor GB undhi, indy lo. Evaro india paatha friend, evo soveneirs konamani email jesindu. manamemo koosintha village type. oka friend ni tholkoni poyi, konni souvenirs konna, lunch time la.
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Savage:

Baba how r u?


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Avunu China Jeeyar Swami gariki antha thelivi ledhu papam, ayana Sarva Prani Seve Madhava Seva ani annaaru. Hinduvula Seva Mathrame Madhava Seva anatam ayanaki teledhu.

Religion and Charity are two different things. Charity is something unconditional. Manam DB lo thread choosi chala mandiki help chestamu. Valla caste or religion adigi help cheyatledhu kadha. Religion ni addam pettukunte charity anaru business antaru. I repeat, God is greater than religion. God appreciates charity not business based on it.
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Telugu_times:

why not these missionaries spend time and money there? coz it is waste of effort for them, coz they are already christians


Baba how r u?
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Elcaminocapastrino:

if chinna jeeyar swamy opened his eyes and addressed these issues happening in his own backyard(country) mother teresa wont even have come into pic...



El bedar..
Chinna jiyar swamy adressed this issue time and again. Aayana thana speeches lo oka story chepthad "Alwars" gurinchi .. Nammalvar - one of the alwar is a harijan...ee story cheppadaniki background to broaden the perspectives of his devotees on certain social issues.
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if chinna jeeyar swamy opened his eyes and addressed these issues happening in his own backyard(country) mother teresa wont even have come into pic... >>>

ezzatly. that has been my point from the beginning.
mana bangaaram manchidhi avuthey ........
but evado vacchi, manalani uddharisthunnaaru anadam thappu antunna. they are using our weaknesses and benefitting from our faults and increasing their religious numbers.
This happened from Pruthviraj Chauhaan jaamana nunchi, british vallu vacche dhaaka.

When New Orleans was hit by hurricane katrina, why not these missionaries spend time and money there? coz it is waste of effort for them, coz they are already christians
There may be one or two organizations there, but not as much enthu as they do in converstions.
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Reservations in India are solely based on social discrimination existing in Hinduism. They are not based on economical status. So once a person are not a Hindu the question of social discrimination and hence reservations does not exist.

Economical status batti reservation justified aney law India lo inka ledhu.



I agree.
Reservations to a certain point allevaite economic hardships faced by backward classes but they certainly wont alleviate their alienation.

Econoimical status ni batti reservations enforce cheyali ante kashtam mam...that classification has no boundaries..
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Gatha kurrod ee thed susi yenta happies ayye vado..yekada unnado
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chinna jeeya swamy religion lost 10,000 or so candidates
mother therisa religion gained 10,000 or so candidates.



if chinna jeeyar swamy opened his eyes and addressed these issues happening in his own backyard(country) mother teresa wont even have come into pic...
yeah may be we would have generated enough funds for charities from christian orgs....another way could have been exploited...
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dafur la....inkaa saana african countries la aids avi ekuuvaga unnai
edhanna hindu orgs elli help sesayo ledho seppandi....convert kooda sesukomanadi if fossible....
tharwaatha Mother Teresa ni comment seyyochu...... >>>

LOL
akkada convert avuthey, death penalty untadhi, andhukay mother teresaa kooda gatu vanti countries ki poledhu, no use, time waste annatlu
at the same time, haray raama, haray kitna gaallu edho comedy chesi, conversions chesthundru gaa? LOL
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Indiarocks:

Discrimination is not an answer to discrimination. Mana forefathers chesina tappulaki manam price pay cheyyali anatam not justified. And if I see a person working as a coolie, or cleaning human excrements we need to idnetify him as a poor guy, but not based on his caste.
My only point is unna problem caste system danni fix chestunnamu ani cheppi our government is only aggravating it with reservations.
Regarding conversions - I am not blaming the converts, but the ones in the conversion "business". Also there is no issue if one preaches his religion as it should be done, but not turn it to a business.



reverse discrimination is bad....i only said to be rational when u comment back as they went through this for centuries......Reservations were there for a reason....rather than caste based reservation leaders would have abolished caste by then and introduced economic backward concept...but they didnt do it...
Iam saying again...there is no use with CASTE system other than discrimination and mis understandings....so remove it....completely...
conversion is bad....but its the least problem we have compared to others...no need to tear clothes on conversion....we fix our religion and our laws and then converion stops by itself...as simple as dat...so no need to worry about it...
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shankar math chinna jeeyar swamy cheyyaledhu
mother teresa chesindhi.....lite teesko >>

chinna jeeya swamy religion lost 10,000 or so candidates
mother therisa religion gained 10,000 or so candidates.

as getafix said, there is no free lunch.

Prathipalam expect cheyya kundaa chesay dhaanni sahaayam or seva antaaru.
rest maa usain bolt
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Getafix,

Reservations in India are solely based on social discrimination existing in Hinduism. They are not based on economical status. So once a person are not a Hindu the question of social discrimination and hence reservations does not exist.

Economical status batti reservation justified aney law India lo inka ledhu.
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dafur la....inkaa saana african countries la aids avi ekuuvaga unnai
edhanna hindu orgs elli help sesayo ledho seppandi....convert kooda sesukomanadi if fossible....
tharwaatha Mother Teresa ni comment seyyochu......
rallu eyyatam easy ney.....lol
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Elca garu,

Having a different opinion is not being rhetoric.

Discrimination is not an answer to discrimination. Mana forefathers chesina tappulaki manam price pay cheyyali anatam not justified. And if I see a person working as a coolie, or cleaning human excrements we need to idnetify him as a poor guy, but not based on his caste.

My only point is unna problem caste system danni fix chestunnamu ani cheppi our government is only aggravating it with reservations.



Regarding conversions - I am not blaming the converts, but the ones in the conversion "business". Also there is no issue if one preaches his religion as it should be done, but not turn it to a business.
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convert ayinaaka kooda HINDU reservation category enduku pettukuntarrr...


when a SC converts to CHRISTHAVA, he should SHED his SC-reservation.



SC converts to christhava for social acceptability
avails reservation for money, job etc
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And I will try my best to avoid mother teresa cuttings. >>

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There is one arguemtn that Hindu matham lo, caste discrimination valla, other matham loki convert avuthuntaaru
cut chesthey, Dalit Christians, NOT christians.
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Anand gaaru,
Just a theoritical question.

one 25 year old man is there, who is helpless and poor and who is doing pick pocketing. some ring leaders is exploiting this guy and encourating him to do pick pocketing and both are benefitting out of it.

since the society is not helping the man directly, we should not comment either on the man or on the mafia exploiting him ? Then why we discuss about all the bad things that happen in the world?



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Temptation thattukoleka answer chesthunna .. And I will try my best to avoid mother teresa cuttings.

Rich ppl encouraging pick pocketer is morally wrong.. they are encouraging the guy to follow an unacceptable path where as the missionaries are helping the needy and in turn they are converting the needy .. since most of this needy belong to backward classses they are opting to convert.. this is a mutually benefitting scenario .. missionaries ki numbers add avuthayi, convert ayinavallaki economically and socially upliftment osthundi.
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i think convert ayith u change from SC to BC.... >>>

Hyd10
Not true in all circumstances.
Ever heard a phrase, like
Dalit Christians?
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anthe kaani, already sucked up reservations, and over it, CONVERTISM.




i think convert ayith u change from SC to BC....
so appudu they cant avail...the reservations...so whats the problem with conversion....if they are doing it with their own will
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Conversion valla social status osthundi.Nothing wrong kadha.





convert ayinaaka kooda HINDU reservation category enduku pettukuntarrr...


when a SC converts to CHRISTHAVA, he should SHED his SC-reservation.
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Gatla navvu thunnav endhi thammi?
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anthe kaani, already sucked up reservations, and over it, CONVERTISM.



benj bedar.
issue two sided akkada.. Reservation economic ga benefits osthayi Conversion valla social status osthundi.Nothing wrong kadha.
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My take is simple - convertors and converted do it for their own benefit...unless we can provide better options we have no right to create moral hullaballoo >>>

Anand gaaru,
Just a theoritical question.

one 25 year old man is there, who is helpless and poor and who is doing pick pocketing. some ring leaders is exploiting this guy and encourating him to do pick pocketing and both are benefitting out of it.

since the society is not helping the man directly, we should not comment either on the man or on the mafia exploiting him ? Then why we discuss about all the bad things that happen in the world?
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I see it the other way, reservations are the only reason why discrimination still exists in India even after 58 years. Asalu caste sytem ni theseyyali antaru, valle prathi application lo caste fill cheyamantaru. The government is constantly reminding citizens of their caste. They themselves are discriminating on the basis of caste.

Reservations have only legalized caste system in India. They propose discrimination as a fix to discrimination.

To all the RSS comments,

I do not know where this comes in. I am not an RSS supporter in any sense. Please read the second para in my post #3 if you were referring me.
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ippudu ELCA ni christian ani brand estharemo..

already Brahmin,muslim ayindhi
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Agreed.
Malli Mother Teressa services in Bengal cuttings vaddhu.




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My take is simple - convertors and converted do it for their own benefit...unless we can provide better options we have no right to create moral hullaballoo:-)

life is more important than religion




Then remove alll reservations and create a equal level field playing.

then who can go CAN GO.

anthe kaani, already sucked up reservations, and over it, CONVERTISM.

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Malli Mother Teressa services in Bengal cuttings vaddhu.



shankar math chinna jeeyar swamy cheyyaledhu
mother teresa chesindhi.....lite teesko
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You said UP lo oka situation choosi SCs ki support ani. Nenu cheppedi enti ante meeru SC/STs discrimination chooste, nenu OCs discrimination choosanu, and the pity is the latter is allowed by law.



enthamandhi OCs are doing daily labor as koolies...
enthamandhi OCs are cleaning human excrements to support their livelihood
enthamandhi OCs r getting raped in the name of caste and still not getting charged with cases
Enthamandhi OCs are not being allowed into temples cause of their caste
U compare ......
SC/ST act is misused....ee padham nenu mundharey cheppa so rhetoricial questions vaddu again and again....
nenu cheppedhi okkatey...manaki last few years noppi gaa undhani vallaki jariginavanni marchipovatam senseless....
reservations r there for a reason.....
conversion r happening for a reason....
ground points choodakunda vallani eelllani blame cheyyatam doesnt make sense
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kashtam lo manishi ki jerintha compassion kavali bedars.. adi christian missionaries isthunnayi and valla trust gain chesthunnayi allu convert ayithunnaru.Missionaries help cheyochu kani convert seyodhu ante etla..there is nothing like free lunch duniya la >>>

Agreed.
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Elca,

My uproar is not against all the SC/STs. Ikkada total ga oka community ni manchi vallu or cheddavallu ani cheppalemu. You said UP lo oka situation choosi SCs ki support ani. Nenu cheppedi enti ante meeru SC/STs discrimination chooste, nenu OCs discrimination choosanu, and the pity is the latter is allowed by law.

Basic gaa dongalu anni castes lo unnaru. Then why law against only some of them. Ante lower caste ni matrame caste reference tho abuse ceyacha? upper caste ni chayalema? SC/ST atrocities ani endhuku mathrame law pettaru? caste based atrocities ani endhuku pettaledhu?

Elca,

Meeru cheppindi ela undi ante, oka person thatha ledha muthatha donga ani athaniki ippudu shiksha vesinatlundi. Edho mundhu generations lo OCs opress chesarani, ippudu lower castes chese oppression justified anukunte ela. Does not that mean that we have not developed as civilized society?

I clearly see that reservations were brought in by a guy who wants to take out his personal vendetta over the discrimination he faced.
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TT/Basky,
My take is simple - convertors and converted do it for their own benefit...unless we can provide better options we have no right to create moral hullaballoo:-)

life is more important than religion:-)

Getafix,
reservations are the sole reason dicrimination has come down significantly in my lifetime..

agree that the reservation system as it stands today has reached a point of diminishing returns and needs to be revaluated..but reservations have worked in India:-)
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kashtam lo manishi ki jerintha compassion kavali bedars.. adi christian missionaries isthunnayi and valla trust gain chesthunnayi allu convert ayithunnaru.Missionaries help cheyochu kani convert seyodhu ante etla..there is nothing like free lunch duniya la.
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Indiarocks:

Meeru cheppe tangible benefits ni basis ga theesukunte, Warren Buffet, or Bill Gates (or anybody who is filthy rich) can start their own religion and become Gods. US lo ila religion preach cheste do you think the Govt will allow it?



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islam revolution thelsu kadha MalcolX time lo....many blacks converted to Islam...why is dat...christian names lo slave concepts unnai...plus valla background....ivanni choosi virakthi dhobbi they converted.....em peekaledhu govt.....
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hinduism lo ivvani respect vaadiki andhulo kanipinchindhemo....who knows....





kolkatta charities force full convert chesthai. patients on bed..
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Indiarocks kurroda.....Calcutta lo untouchables ni pujari gallu thanni thanni thermesey vallu....
inka untoucble leppers prasadam kosam vacchina kanikarinchakunda thanni tharmesey vallu
appudu mom theresa vacchi esu ki andharu okkatey ani seppindhanta....
then how those leppers were served with bare hands is history.....
hinduism lo ivvani respect vaadiki andhulo kanipinchindhemo....who knows....
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RSS leader missing mari.. em jestundo emo mari..




boss meedha gussa ainattu unnadu .. pani gittla jestundu emo ..
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RSS leader missing mari.. em jestundo emo mari..>>>

Guntur lo, almost madhya raathri andi
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RSS lolli shuru jesindru .. eeda


RSS leader missing mari.. em jestundo emo mari..
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RSS lolli shuru jesindru .. eeda
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Mclov gaaru, meeru kadapa nunchaa?


C/O Medak Church!!


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Atleast vaallu convert aithe vaidyam chestaa antunru.. kaanee konni govt hospitals paisaliste chestam antaru.. poor persons ki edi better? kulamo, mathamo.. edo okati.. batuku jeevudaa ani convert aitunremo mari..>>>

I agree.
Mclov gaaru, meeru kadapa nunchaa?
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Anand_n,

Meeru cheppe tangible benefits ni basis ga theesukunte, Warren Buffet, or Bill Gates (or anybody who is filthy rich) can start their own religion and become Gods. US lo ila religion preach cheste do you think the Govt will allow it?
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Meeru cheppindi ela undi ante kalu ki ledha chetiki debba tagilithe motham body ki adhe mandhu vadamannatlu undi. Discrimination ledhi ani nenu anatledu, kani country lo anni places lo oka laga ledhu. Example - Mana AP lo many places lo Forward Castes vadini enni boothulaina thittachu, kani SC/ST vadini personal gaa thittina kani (without any caste reference) SC/ST atrocity case pedatharu.
Bottom line - OC ppl konni places lo lower castes ni discriminate cheste, Govt anni places lo OCs ni discriminate chestundi



20 or 30 years pain ki neeekey ilaa untey hinduism kanipettina dhaggaranunchi vallani vanchuthuney unnaru so called OCs....
neee uproar against them is senseless...
saying this I repeatedly said reservation SC/ST act is being misused for votes....
there is only one solution....
BAN the CASTE system.....and introduce economic backward people concept ani....
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patient comes almost dying, charity gallu, BED paina,

Convert authava, authene VIADYAM sestham, lekunte, sasthaaav antaaaru...


Atleast vaallu convert aithe vaidyam chestaa antunru.. kaanee konni govt hospitals paisaliste chestam antaru.. poor persons ki edi better? kulamo, mathamo.. edo okati.. batuku jeevudaa ani convert aitunremo mari..
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endi ANNAL adavi poyyyi,

papparazzi,hungama tho lONGI poinatta
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Anand_n,

Do you think Jesus has any thing to do with people getting those benefits. Do you think he will ever accept somebody taking advantage of people's suffering to preach his religion.

Asalu ee conversions chesevallaki God ante proper understanding of religion ledhu. I see God is greater than religion. He does not care if I worship him as Jesus or Shirdi Saibaba or whatever. All He cares is "Am I being a good human being?". The number of people following a religion is not a barometer to its greatness, and spreading a religion is not service to God, being a good human being itself is.

Regarding reservations - don't you see that it is a failed system. It clearly is because it was brought in by a person who himself was a casteist. Don't you think the system of reservations by itself is a form of discrimination?
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Faith aa Thokka,

my friend dad used to be a govt doctor in tribal villages,

patient comes almost dying, charity gallu, BED paina,

Convert authava, authene VIADYAM sestham, lekunte, sasthaaav antaaaru...

emiti idi... is it called FAITH... voluntary convert is applaudable,but forced (oka rakamgaa helplessness situation adv teeeskuni)

cheyadam baddd2worst
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Anand gaaru
Also, is conversion one way traffic?
Why so much hue and cry, if and when the converted christians, re-convert to Hinduism?
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and then we complain if they convert to the religion providing a lifeline and crib about reservations >>>

Anand gaaru
convert avuthey, evaru complain cheyyadam ledhu. but, conversion is business, money involves in it. own gaa convert avvadam veru, hunger tho, money isthey convert avvadam veru.
hunger tho religion change chesina, prostitution chesinaa, chesina vaalla thappu kaadhu, cheyinchina vaalladhi thappu.
Remember, in the recent past, Jaya lalitha govt in TN and Modi govt in Guj wanted to ban conversions in their respective states. Do you know the immediate reaction of these missionaries?
We will take our schools and hospitals, out of these 2 states
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Discrimination ki virugudu standing up againts it - okate solution. Floods ochinai and help dorakatledu press lo stories raasestharu certain sympathy generate avuthundi.. this will pass and ppl will forget and in future some other calamity osthundi and again back to square one..

Reservations oppression ki solution anukunte seriously I doubt it... Govt, area wise profiling chesi poverty line below unnvallaki seperate agenda teesukarvaali and Ppl who are being victimised should unite and learn to stand up against this discrimination.
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basky,
Faith is personal...if you have to ban something...ban religion altogether and make reservations economic:-)
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jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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INdia should BAN convertism
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indra rockstammud hru, welcome to db
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Indiarocks,
bottomline is that it is helping the people in need..better than talking high religious morals about charity and letting people suffer and die :-)

Shirdi Saibaba korikalu teerustaaru ante Ramudu nunchi baba ki shift ayinavallaki,tangible benefits kosam Jesus ki shift ayinavallaki diff emiti?

Reservations are needed to restore social parity...implementation could be better :-)
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jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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:-(
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Anand_n garu,

If some body offers money/financial help in return to conversion to his/her religion. Do you call it a charity? I call it business in the name of God.

And do you think it is justified when converted Christians demand/enjoy reservations? I thought Christianity has no caste system. So what new dignity does conversion to a new religion bring to a dalit. Why don't every body who converts to a religion from Hinduism citing caste discrimination give up their reservations.

Elca mama,

Meeru cheppindi ela undi ante kalu ki ledha chetiki debba tagilithe motham body ki adhe mandhu vadamannatlu undi. Discrimination ledhi ani nenu anatledu, kani country lo anni places lo oka laga ledhu. Example - Mana AP lo many places lo Forward Castes vadini enni boothulaina thittachu, kani SC/ST vadini personal gaa thittina kani (without any caste reference) SC/ST atrocity case pedatharu.

Bottom line - OC ppl konni places lo lower castes ni discriminate cheste, Govt anni places lo OCs ni discriminate chestundi
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WORST !!!
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:-( and then we complain if they convert to the religion providing a lifeline and crib about reservations ....
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Bihar lo picha caste descrimination babai..na engg days lo susi shock ayya..'maro sale chamar ko' ani picha fighting sese vallu




Maa apartment lo oka athanu born and raised in North India ..kaani native Telugu speaker..

He did engineering in Ranchi..schooling in MP/Orissa..his father worked for Coal India..

He told me the pathetic caste discrimination that happens in Bihar ..

for 60 years..successive Governments at the Center..left those states to their fate..and Politicians have exploited the situation to suit themselves..
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thammudu...nenu O sari UP ki ella
appatinunchi Pro Dalit....enni cheppina....enni chesina....valla bathukulu inko 100 years desam lo ekkado akkada suffer avuthhoney untaai
EE mandha krishna laanti lafoot gallu matuku fruits njoy setthuntaru
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Bihar lo picha caste descrimination babai..na engg days lo susi shock ayya..'maro sale chamar ko' ani picha fighting sese vallu
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This post is a must read for cocanada and some others, who are unaware of this ground reality in the present day india.

Hundreds of thousands of people are still homeless after floods hit the Indian state of Bihar last month. Some of the victims face the additional hardships that come from being members of the low caste dalit community. Rajan Khosla of the charity Christian Aid has been meeting some of them in the village of Mirzawaa, where 500 families live in temporary shelters.

"Let me be born again as an animal rather than as a harijan (dalit). We face more humiliation than they," says Tetar Rishidev, a dalit from Mirzawaa village, in the district of Supaul.

After the floods in Bihar millions of people lost their homes, belongings and even family members. But for the dalits of Bihar there is further misery: the caste system.

In Mirzawaa village, Sakal Sadah is a dalit.

Today - unusually - he is happy. There is a food distribution and his family will get food. His children have been surviving on some leftover rice once in a day.

Sakal Sadah is a landless agriculture labourer and earns about 40 rupees (80 cents) for a 12-hour day.

Sakal Sadah works hard for little food

Now he's worried: "Where will I get work now? Everywhere is water. No one is going to employ me, I am a harijan."

Hundreds of dalit families are in the same situation as Sakal: they have been hardest hit by the Bihar floods.

In this emergency, when everyone should be provided with food, certain groups are denied access.

The plight of these communities in remote, rural areas is very serious - especially in the feudal state of Bihar.

They cling to the little they have. Many families have left behind one male member to keep an eye on their house and belongings.

Segregated society

Asdev Sadah, an elderly dalit, stayed behind to guard the house of his upper caste employer.

"I used to work in their fields," he said.

"They wanted me to watch their house and belongings. I have to listen to them. They will provide my family food and work once they come back.


Many have been left with nothing after the floods

"I have nothing left in my house - because it was made of mud it has already collapsed. My malik's (employer's) house is strong and they have stuff kept inside."

It seems a strange sort of society where an old man stays back, without food or shelter, taking numerous risks to guard the house of his feudal lord.

But Asdev no doubt knows full well that in this segregated society, there is no other support system for him and his family.

The relief camp in Sabela School in Madhepura is run by one of Christian Aid's partner organisations who are doing all they can to help.

It was set up because organisers knew there were many dalit villages in the area.

I met Jamuna Devi and Puliya Musamaar here.


For many it has become a question of survival

They told me that they were not allowed to use the hand pump to get water as it belonged to upper caste people.

The same upper caste people also asked the camp organisers to move displaced people away because as dalits they would contaminate the entire place. Their request was refused.

"When will people understand we are also human beings?" Puliya asked. "We need food and water, our children also feel hungry."

I asked one of the aid agencies running another relief camp whether they would have a dalit cook.

Their response was negative. They felt that not everyone would eat food cooked by dalits.

Christian Aid and its partner organisations are including two dalits in the cooking teams in the relief camps they run - thus ensuring that they are not excluded.

Everyone needs food in this crisis situation, so why should people like Sakal Sadah, Jamuna Devi and Puliya Musamaar be so discriminated against?

And if Asdev Sadah can work in the fields and loyally guard the house of his higher-caste employee, then why people should refuse to eat food cooked by them?

We have to challenge the system. I know the problem is gigantic. But efforts need to be made. Each one of us has to make a step forward.

Another aid agency working in this area assured me that they tried to treat displaced people equally.

The critical point is that while equality may be an accepted philosophy it can only happen once people also agree in practice to be equals.

Equality means that all people should get food and their rights and dignity are respected.

But flooding and discrimination seem to have taken those rights away.