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Bavundi, Thankyou
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Found a piece of that article :-)

What are you Optimistic about - answered by Richard Dawkins

The Final Scientific Enlightenment

I am optimistic that the physicists of our species will complete Einstein's dream and discover the final theory of everything before superior creatures, evolved on another world, make contact and tell us the answer. I am optimistic that, although the theory of everything will bring fundamental physics to a convincing closure, the enterprise of physics itself will continue to flourish, just as biology went on growing after Darwin solved its deep problem. I am optimistic that the two theories together will furnish a totally satisfying naturalistic explanation for the existence of the universe and everything that's in it including ourselves. And I am optimistic that this final scientific enlightenment will deal an overdue deathblow to religion and other juvenile superstitions.
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Zulu,
Apart from the books, Dawkins wrote a small write up in a book called "What am I optimistic about" -its a collection of articles by many celebs and authors...store lo browse chestu Dawkins article chadivanu... good read :-)
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Richard Dawkins - "Aren't We All Atheists?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saFIIgM2_co
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Zulu I lost my respect for dawkins after this book...




I didnt read his book. Nenu books ki chaala dooram!

But i liked him saying that he is 6 on a scale of 7 of atheism, as only unscientific people will be sure of anything.
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Zulu I lost my respect for dawkins after this book...man he has turned into such a bigot.....he has slowly demoted himself from a rationalist to a self centered bigot....
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Cocanada:

Do you mean Causality ?




Yes causality and in Relativity causality is preserved....I am srry typo in the prv post
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Bill Maher with Richard Dawkins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRmedaIWBp0
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notion of casuality...even relativistically casuality is not preserved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Do you mean Causality ?

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QM- Sorry mate :-)

Junk& Baseless were strong words to describe Einsteins position towards QM.

I would say he was a non-believer in QM at that time :-)

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Nihill:


Copenhagen Declaration




I think its called copenhagen intrepretation not declaration...it was wher heisenberg "proposed" duality.....

Coco...read this book..."In search of schrodinger's cats"

and then "In search of Schrodingers kittens"
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Cocanada
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otherwise i would have thought he is denying that we have free will.
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Aripinchav brother - Free will topic teesukochi :-)

Quantum Mechanics topic start ayina ventane Free will topic loki vastundi - good that u r on the ball :-)

Quantum mechanics negates the concept of free will which is the central concept of Western Philosophy starting from Plato to Wittgenstein.

But, Hindu Thought lo "Tantra" support this claim that Free will doesn't exist.

Superstring theory lo kooda " OUM " ane syllable acoustics represent the vibration of strings which is the central claim of that theory ani kooda cheptaru.

Anyway - we are drifting towards Metaphysics now :D

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Nihill:

Einstein thought that Quantum Mechanics was baseless and junk




I disagree...eisnteins problem with QM was not that it was junk....his problem with the copenhagen declaration is that it challenged the notion of casuality...even relativistically casuality is not preserved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But QM breaks the standard notion of casuality and thats were einstein was put to a zone of discomfort....eisntein was a classicist to the core
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Nihill:

Copenhagen Declaration


thx. QM suggested KELVIN's autobigraphy

chadavaali

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Nihill bhayya, thanks for the information....
Mera puranaa naam...Idlebrain_fan
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Einstein & Neils Bohr appatlo ante 1940s lo Quantum Physcis gurinchi oka levello fighting ..... Einstein being a non-believer in Quanta, Bohrs being a firm believer.


Copenhagen Declaration ani oka book vundi - interest vunte evaranna chadavandi- manchi entertaining about this fight for science :-)

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Nihill:

God doesn't play dice


nuvvu cheppavu kbatti saripoyindi

otherwise i would have thought he is denying that we have free will.


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Cocanada & Chirufan

1. God doesn't play dice - idi ae sandarbham lo annadu ante-

There were two conflicting theories at time (A)- Theory of Relativity which was proposed by Einstein to everything the physical structure on macro scale ( Universe,Galaxies aa range annamata )

(B) Second theory is Quantum Mechanics proposed by Max planck, Paul dirac, Neild& others to explain things on Micro level ( Atomic particles, Nuclear forces , Quarks etc )


Einstein thought that Quantum Mechanics was baseless and junk - aa sandhrabham lo annadu God doesn't play dice ani - ante God anevadu edo oka theory ne isthadu Physics ni explain cheyataniki , 2 thoeries ivvadu ani.

Tarvatha telisindi Quantum mechanics anedi coorect ani - appudu pulihara ayyadu.

But the problem is how to combine Relativity and Quantum mechanics ??
This debate is still raging in Physics today and considered the Holygrail of science.. eavranna ganuka rendini club chesthe neeku oka 4-5 nobels istahru :D

Super string theory ani, Membrane thoery ani ani chala rakalu try chesaru gani, inka em work out avatam ledu.

CERN lo LHC( Large hadron collider ) start chesaru - hope it will do :-)


Edo oka range lo explain chesa - hope u got it :-)


Ika gandi gurinchi " flesh, blood walk " ani oka statement vadiladu
adi kooda pulihara ani Historians telcharu :-)



But Einstein is one of my favorite scientists, along with Heisenberg, Bohr :-)


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Elcaminocapastrino:

botton line...gandhi rocks annadu....


andulo boisterous emundi?

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Chess.. Q tammi leg pull cheddaam ante, migathaa ollu jaarinru gaa..
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Cocanada:

what did he say?



He said..."Looking back into history after sometime...people will be amazed to findout that such a person existed in flesh and blood...."
botton line...gandhi rocks annadu....
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/tarvatha papam pulihara ayyadu - thats one of the most stupid statements along with his boisterous statement on Gandhi. /

Nihill bhayya, manaku ee area loo knowledge nill (antee manamu airforce batch).. koosantha vivaramugaa cheppavaa aa two statements gurinchi...offcourse, when you have a min...
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Bill Maher Quotes

Everything that used to be a sin is now a disease.


Let's face it; God has a big ego problem. Why do we always have to worship him?

I think flying planes into a building was a faith-based initiative. I think religion is a neurological disorder.
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Nihill:

boisterous statement on Gandhi.




what did he say?

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Einstein anthativade Quantum mechanics meeda oka famous statement ichadu

God doesn't play dice ani

tarvatha papam pulihara ayyadu - thats one of the most stupid statements along with his boisterous statement on Gandhi.

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Mcannai
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quantum mechanics antha waste subject inkoti ledu..
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Bhale statements isthav annai ......Konda ane ID puttagane pettukunnava, leka madhyalo :P ( Naresh gani davilogue in CBV )

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Quantummorphed:

U should read lord kelvin's autobiography



So what was kelvin's source of the theory? i mean which scripture?

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/asalu quantum mechanics antha waste subject inkoti ledu../

Satti kaaka, nuvvu Congress gurinchi great gaa maataadithee, prampancham loo okka thuraka subject thappithe anni great gaanee vundaali....malli nuvvu waste antaavu yenti?
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asalu quantum mechanics antha waste subject inkoti ledu..
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Cocanada:

Advaitam also speaks of similar concepts.




well advaitha has its own set of loop holes ..I dunno how far have u studied it...its central thesis is Aham brahamsmi...which is a very big statement to make..

But I agree partially with you that it is indeed enriching...the first account of duality principle though was given in RigVeda...advaitham is a relatively newer philosophy.......U should read lord kelvin's autobiography...in which he addresses the royal society and at the end of his lecture says..." well for the offhandly curious , I am not the origninator of the thermal theory of fluxes. Its there in that sacred land called India that those mystic sages envisioned so much more with just the power of meditation"
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Quantummorphed:

Hmm..I dont know which issue of Qmechanics did satiate ur thirst for reality...QM is such a huge field that it takes a life time to come to terms with it at an intuitive level....




No..i meant to say its complex for a simple mind like mine.

I am stunned by the concept of existence of matter. molecules are 99% empty. atoms are 99% empty.....matter and wave are interchangeable........so does matter exist at all?

Advaitam also speaks of similar concepts.

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Cocanada:

nee english naaku oka 3 times chavdivite kaanee ardham kaadu




Sorry andi...I will try to improve my english..

What the bleep do we know...choodala but vinnanu maa frnd cheppadu Art of living etc lo cheptarata...

Hmm..I dont know which issue of Qmechanics did satiate ur thirst for reality...QM is such a huge field that it takes a life time to come to terms with it at an intuitive level....

I personally worked for some time on QCD and QED..not at a research level but did spenmd some time...coz I have a degree in theoretical physics..along with pure math
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Cocanada:


I think his best is 'Feminism' show
he talks about mutual fantasies........keeeka show adi.



mama ee site choosu variety gaa undhi....

http://disbeliefnet.com/
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nee english naaku oka 3 times chavdivite kaanee ardham kaadu.

Anyway.....I Quantum physics can explain the unexplained.I had a life changing experience. I watched "WHAT THE BLEEP DO WE KNOW"

You might have watched this movie.....If not....go today and get it.

Its really reallu amazing.

Advaitam philosophy at its best.


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Cocanada:

I dont think he is smart enough to face spirituality or quantum physics.




Right on the money...dont know why u referred to Q physics tho...But Bill mahers is to me a talk show host who thinks he is funny and there is not even a wee bit of smartness to him in as much as I have seen him....This very guy called himself an apatheist when someone challenged him to prove why atheism is true and later richard dawkins stated that banking on half baked hypotheses of talk show hosts will only make fundamentalists more popular...smart my foot...funny yes at times
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Elcaminocapastrino:

Mama he never questions spiritual approach


Then, its good.

I think his best is 'Feminism' show

he talks about mutual fantasies........keeeka show adi.


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Cocanada:

I dont think he is smart enough to face spirituality or quantum physics.
Religion is a good source for a comedy show.



Mama he never questions spiritual approach...he is only after church which passes stupid judgements like using condoms is sin.....things like dat........
he is very smart.....
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Elcaminocapastrino:

Even if billion people believe in something it can still be ridiculous




See .. he is talking only to religious people - christians, muslims, hare krishnas. he didnt talk to spiritual people. I dont think he is smart enough to face spirituality or quantum physics.

Religion is a good source for a comedy show.

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Cocanada:

He is entertaining.




"Even if billion people believe in something it can still be ridiculous" anta
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Elcaminocapastrino:




He is entertaining.

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Bill Maher ki inkaa manchi peru undedhi mama....vaadu 9/11 appudu oka insesntitive joke vesi severe ga reputation pogottukunnad
HBO punyamaa ani bayata paddadu....will watch those eedios u metnioned...
kaani church ni kummu odhuluthaadu mama....
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Elca maama, Bill Maher gaadi shows naaku sooper anipisthaayi...youtube loo "Bill Maher - The Decider" ani type cheyyi 8 videos vuntaayi...khaali gaa vunnappudu soodu...fullu gaa enjoy chesthaavu...that show was conducted in Boston...
Mera puranaa naam...Idlebrain_fan
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Billmahers approach to religion like Borats approach to American culture...
this documentary looks promising....
BIllmaher and Religion killer combo.....
kummi vadulthadu believers ni
Punchlines from trailer___
"Why wont god destroy devil and get rid of all evils...wats he waiting for"

"You Question my god U have problems":D



http://www.lionsgate.com/religulous/ trailer

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